>Greece had Socrates >Germany had Kant >America has

>>8676376
No one cares about this bald fag

>>8676376
Who?

america has me

>>8676376
I think he's canadian

>>8676376
>>America has Thomas Nagel

Isn't he Canadian?

>>8676387
>>8676389
Canada is America you dumb shits

>>8676389
yeah....

>>8676394
Emerson couldn't get the English dick out of his mouth

>>8676376
America had Emerson.

>>8676376
I remember when people used to take him seriously. I think all his credibility went out the window when he betrayed his own values and became an alt-right Trump supporter

>>8676400
Some of them still watch him. I dropped off in 2013.

>>8676400
>le bald Ancap mommy issues meme man

It's pretty cringe. He's used Pepe in his video thumbnails, says take the red pill and "cuck" unironically...

>>8676409
He was always a weird MRA pickup artist type but now he's trying to latch onto the NRx

>ever taking Molyneux seriously

>literally a mommy issues cult leader who tells people to break away from their families because he had an unhappy upbringing

Why does every ancap become fascist over time?

>Greece had Socrates
>Germany had Kant
>Canada has Stefan Molyneux
>America has Mike Cernovich
Truly we are blessed.

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>>8676422
same reason commies do

>>8676446
Except Marxists don't advocate that you idiot

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>>8676376
Nobody cares about that faggot.

Chomsky is the actual great "american philosopher" of our time. Even if you don't agree with his views on language or politics that's pretty much a fact.

>>8676436
It's the result of ancap economics. Say what you will about the government, but it's monetary policy the economy would have went under long ago. Anarchocapitalism does not allow you to fight a recession. Monetary policy does not fix the problem, however, but it delays the consequences. Then any asshole who can rally a crowd is Dur Furhrer. Libertarianism was always the road to fascism.

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>>8676450
>Marxists don't advocate proletarian control of the means of production
Only on 4chan

>>8676475
This man is very knowledgeable. Too bad he is a fraud.

>>8676494
>who tells people to break away from their families because he had an unhappy upbringing

Do try to keep up

>>8676376
What is, America's founding fathers?

>>8676498
I don't mean to defend Chomsky (I also have reservations about his views on both politics and language) but, why do you say he's a fraud?

>>8676499
What did he say he takes all that Defoo shit back or something?

>>8676515
It is a well known fact he is a an academic gatekeeper, defending things like the official story of 9/11, CIA operations, foreign intelligence meddling, etc. His career (as well as Zinms) was made singing praises for Ellsburgs pentagon papers, which were a CIA limited hangout, and which were not anything new for anyone who read Le Monde. If you listen to his talks, he always focuses criticism on US foreign policy, with the US being a monolithic imperial force. He doesn't name names. He doesn't propose action. He plays into the leftist impulse to criticize the US and others when in reality the answer is not that simple. He deters away from real issues and real culprits. I used to be a fan of his. This is not coming from some anarchoshit or redpilled faggot.

Don't even compare Kant to Socrates. Kant is a fucking hack.

>>8676376
this is literally what happens when you only pay attention to continentals and political philosophy. America has a wonderful philosophical tradition, from Quine to Lewis to Gettier to Kripke. And somehow they were all analytics. What could it mean?

>>8676575
>What could it mean?

That analytics will always be irrelevant

>>8676575
Shut the fuck up dumbass
American philosophy is $$$$$$

The US has lots of "good" analytic philosophers (Quine, Putnam, Nozick, Rawls, etc.) not to mention the so-called American pragmatists (Peirce, Dewey, James). Not on the level of Germany, France, or Greece, but certainly a solid contribution.

Also Berkeley was basically American.

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>>8676391
>Op refers to cultures and countries
>Two continents is either of those

>Stefan Basil Molyneux is an Irish-born Canadian blogger. Molyneux writes on topics including anarcho-capitalism, atheism...


i hope this is a bait thread

America had plenty of great people, like Quine and Charles Peirce.

>>8676594
Analytics and pragmatics are both awful schools of philosophy.

>>8676609
>i hope this is a bait thread

There literally isn't any other kind of thread anymore.

>>8676575
Analytics is a reiteration of the Platonic tradition. It's irrelevant like all Platonic rationalism.

>>8676615
It's silly to just write off analytic OR continental philosophy. There are good analytic philosophers and good continental philosophers (as well as bad philosophers in both schools), and really the distinction isn't as clear-cut as people make it out to be. Personally, I'm much more inclined toward continental philosophy, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate someone like Quine or Goodman or Rawls.

>>8676628
Have you actually read any analytic philosophy? Its anything but Platonic.

>>8676634
>it's anything but Platonic
All rationalisms are Platonic. Are you denying analytics is a rationalism? It certainty isn't a naturalism.

>>8676634
>le Plato Aristotle dichotomy

Read more

>>8676450
Learn what a joke is, you butthurt Marxist

>>8676376
He's not American, he's a Canadian from Ireland.

>>8676659
>I was only joking to be retarded :^)

>>8676615
I bet you haven't read a single page of analytic philosophy

Stephen Molyneux is Canadian. America has Superman.

>>8676380
Some con artist who made a cult for virgin men in their twenties. He tried writing books, but his followers are too dumb to read, so now he does short little Youtube videos instead. They are mostly just masturbatory pseudo-philosophy about how his cult is actually so much better than those who aren't in the cult, also mixed in is him constantly asking his viewers for money.

>>8676696
That says more about the worth of analytic philosophy today than him

Emerson was probably the most influential American intellectual in the humanities. It's hard to call him a 'philosopher' in a technical sense but his works covered areas pertinent to both religion and philosophy.

He's one of those people who's influence you can really see everywhere though. Pretty much all of the major literary figures in 19th century America either loved him or were just being tsundere. He was also a significant influence on Neechee.

>>8676707
Agree with everything you said but

>short little Youtube videos instead.
>short

>>8676708
What exactly does that say about it?

>>8676733
>What exactly

Depends, define exactly

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>>8676418

this is 10/10 antibait

Stefan is a treasure

>>8676707
>short videos
>short

Moly's videos are all stupid long because he's long winded and loves hearing himself talk. He literally has a 4 hour (4!) video about MAGA. Not even joking. Check.

I thought his review of the new Doom game was alright.

>>8676750

That's a reading of a short book by Mike Cernovich.

>>8676750
In his defense, the video you're talking about is actually just a complete reading of Mike Cernovich's shitty self-help book.

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>>8676379
>>8676380
>>8676400
>>8676409
>>8676418
>>8676707

You all know these aren't arguments, right?


>>8676475
Stefan has done an interview with Chomsky. It wasn't particularly good. Chomsky is getting up there in years.

>>8676765
From what i have seen on Stephan videos he doesn't seem to have a clear stance when it comes to analyzing society. He uses some anthropological tools and approaches that are all over the place.
Perhaps it's just me not seeing what's behind all of his seemingly alt-right diatribes, but I just can't see any clear system of principles behind his analysis. Would you care to point out any essays or other works he has done explaining this?

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>>8676823

He basically adheres to a system of ethics that owes a lot to Kant and argumentation ethics. He has a free book on his views w/r/t ethics.

In general he follows an empirical approach guided by his personal interests.

His analysis of society is filtered through those two primary lenses.

>>8676823
>clear system of principles

Well he used to be a pretty standard libertarian, but he's mutated into more of an alt-righty in the last couple years, particularly after the onset of the migrant crisis.

He's clearly not an unintelligent person, but he thinks he's smarter than he is and uses his soft British accent and rhetorical flourishes to get people to believe anything he says. He's also clearly quite emotional even though he tries to play the analytic "philosopher".

He holds pretty creepily resentful views of women--particularly single mothers, obviously influenced by his own experience with a single mother. He's a men's rights fedora.

He thinks taxation is slavery but stops just short of defending literal chattel slavery in the South. Also a colonialism apologist.


Why are we even talking about Moly, Jesus, he's a nobody.

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>>8676914
Single mothers simply are egoistic trash thanks to welfare and colonialism wasn't purely bad. Just you look to fucking India where they burned widows alive when their husband died till the british made it illegal. Every part of the empire profited in the end from beeing ruled by it, although you have to break an egg to make an omelette.

Moly has his flaws but at least he tries to better himself as seen on many occasions.

>>8676914

None of this is an argument.

What has he said that was wrong? Can you source it? Or will you adjective him to death?

Start arguing any time

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>>8676977
Jordan B. Peterson needs to be added to this btw

>>8676977
> Hitchens
> pseudo-intellectual

kys

>>8676988
Says a lot that that's the one you picked out.

>>8676977
> ITP people I disagree with are pseuds

>>8676977
While I agree with this, I do think that not everybody on that list it's in the same category when it comes to how aware they are that they're only doing pseud rhetoric.
I'm pretty sure Zizek and Chosmky fall under the category of being self-aware. Specially if you consider that their written work is quite interesting and tackles what's beyond of what you can see in their videos.

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>>8676990
> the one

>>8676995
That's not the point. If you disagreed completely with all of them then there wouldn't be many opinions left to have.

>>8676977
>Zizek
>Chomsky
>Varoufakis

Bullshit chart. Anyone with a bloody PhD doesn't belong there

>>8677021
Wrong. A PhD can still opine on crap they don't actually know anything about.

>>8677006
So please explain to me why somebody should ignore them simply because they, like every human, also talk shit.

eg Thunderf00t and Dawkins: Great in the sciency thing and debullshiting but terrible on the subject of economy and politics. Doesn't make their other points irrelevant.

Also implying that anybody would think of Sarkeesian or Lasi as an intellectual.

>>8676977
I'll concede to most of these, but Yuri? Isn't he just talking about what he learnt while working for the soviets? Also why Anthony Fantano and Scaruffi? They review music, it's gonna be pretty subjective.
And Dusty isn't even a rhetorician, he just swears/yells his opinions

>>8677025
Alright fine a PhD in a subject they don't speak about.
Except Sam Harris who was given a PhD for meme research in a subject he had no prior education in

>>8677026
Yeah, Thunderf00t was totally wrong about Brexit.

>>8677029
Only music experts should review music.

>>8677038
What qualifies one as a "music expert"?

>>8677041
A degree in music.

>>8677001

DONT WAY A TON, DONT NEED A GUN TO GET RESPECT UP ON THE STREET

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>Stefan Molyneux
>Good philosopher

>>8677045
What sort of music degree? You realize its probably one of the least uniform subjects in the humanities

>>8677045
I don't think anybody dumb enough to get a degree in music has a valuable opinion on anything

>>8677058
Under rated

>>8677041
Music is so diverse it'd be hard to classify a single man as an expert. The thought that "you don't need to be a chef to know a dish is shit" makes it even harder. John Doe could denounce an entire genre of music for no reason, but so could John the Jazz man. John Doe has no 'real' musical background while John Jazz has been studying, playing, and composing jazz for 3 decades straight. They could both come to the consensus: rock music is trash. John Doe says some arbitrary reason, John Jazz says it's trash because he (i.e.) only cares about jazz. Neither opinion matters. John Jazz COULD compose rock music, he could play it, he could study it (as could John Doe). Now both are "rock experts" because they "know it all." They still declare it's shit, because it's subjective. I could understand watching John Jazz to get a crash course on what's happening in the song. "Double time swing, not quite my tempo." Great, now you have more knowledge of the music you enjoy. But wait! "This track really takes a turn for the worse in the second half, turns into fusion, fuck that shit."

Music review is a pointless exercise; consuming music reviews is silly. You can listen to the music and conclude why you do or do not enjoy it. I could understand a layman wanting an "expert" opinion on why a song is or is not "good" but the mainstream reviewers are not more qualified than your own ear. You can say "the beat is catchy" the reviewer can say "very repetitive 4/4 drumming on this track, nothing new, throw it away." or if he likes it "very effective drumming on this track, really intertwines the melody and harmony." Who cares? If you want to understand music, just look into it, deconstruct songs and find patterns, better yet, make it.

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>>8676575
>Lewis

>>8676450
Wow, /leftypol/ is retarded

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>>8676436
Because we realize anarcho capitalism is only accepted by high IQ whites.

Subhumans cling to the state, so... they gotta go

>>8676418
>pickup artist
what

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>>8677955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osxsLchyGZk

>>8676499
Tbh that's not far from it, the whole abolition of family and all.

Of course, that does not apply to based Uncle Joe.

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>34:44
Nope.

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>>8677972
top kek, you truely are a pleb

>>8677146
This is a stupid point. You could literally say all of this same shit about literature or any of the arts. Music criticism and analysis still has tons of value.

>>8678201
Music criticism and analysis CAN have tons of value. The fact of the matter is, most reviewers are buffoons regurgitating rhetoric.

>>8678553
I know. That's why you read academic journals and not stupid websites

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>>8676985
>Anyone popular needs to be added to this btw

>>8678649
I actually think most of his opponents are even more pseud and I don't even disagree with his basic point, but his rhetoric is fearmongering bullshit.

>>8678728
It's true that he's pretty fearmongering, but it's far from bullshit. There's more to Peterson than his conservatism.

>>8678760
No, it's bullshit. Requiring employers, university professors, etc. to use people's preferred pronouns isn't going to lead to the death of free expression. I think he just chose this relatively trivial issue to fearmonger over because he figured the law might be contentious enough, esp. among conservatives, to catapult his popularity, even though he claims he had no idea so many people would be interested in it. It's almost cartoonish how he presents himself as a martyr to free speech.

>>8676584
>American philosophy is six dollar signs

What did he meme by this?

>>8678805
>Requiring employers, university professors, etc. to use people's preferred pronouns isn't going to lead to the death of free expression.
Oh, so you can see the future?

>catapult his popularity
And what would he gain with that?

>It's almost cartoonish how he presents himself as a martyr to free speech.
He's more or less the same way he's always been. Everything he's done so far goes according to the way he's always presented himself. It's got nothing to do with SJWs or politics, he would probably act the same with other similar issues.