/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>>8646974
I only just learnt today Watts was banned from the US for most of his life or some shit. Madness.

>>8646974
>Rorschach edition
And all the anons and tripfags will look up and shout "post something good!", and I'll look down and whisper "No."

>>8646974
>What book have you re-read the most?
Lord of the Rings

>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
Do comic books count? Legion of Super-Heroes then (it's probably going to happen anyway). If not, then Captain Future, Flash Gordon or Conan.

>>8646974
>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
Mistborn

>>8647007
>Flash Gordon
Oh fuck yes.

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Why are hard sci-fi stories that features manipulation of mathematical concepts so fucking neat?

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>>8647028

>>8647028
Does that story manipulate math? :-S

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>just finished rerreading pic related for the sixth time
wtf is wrong with me

>>8646974
>What book have you re-read the most?
Probably Dune
>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
Bakker.

>>8647276
A severe case of shit taste I'm afraid.

What if my book doesn't turn out very long? I mean not even long enough to be considered a novel?
If I was to write a long series of these let's-say-100-page adventures like light novels in Japan would it work in the West? I feel like it would be tough to get a publisher behind that.

>>8646974
When are we getting The Magicians season two?

Also
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>>8647028
You mean Rithmatist?

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>Aurang will never catch a fucking break

>>8647386
Novellas my man

Amy Adams is in that new language alien film novella so clearly they get read

>>8647572
Is there any book or series with the protagonist fighting against a god for whatever reason, trying to kill him and then absorbing his powers?
aside of the forgotten realms books, that is.

>>8647686
didn't want to quote

>>8647386
there are original english light novel publishers now
Also, mobile publishers
Don't underestimate the craziness of the market.

>>8646974
>What book have you re-read the most?
>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?

Bakker's second apocalypse for both. First time I have read the first trilogy I have though it's a good book. The second time it became my favorite series/ So much stuff hidden in it, so dense and so many interesting ideas.

You would need a huge budget and because the nature of the series few would watch it. so it would be better to make an anime with a good studio. Basically take out all of the jappanese bullshit memes (the original meaning of the word) and use it as a medium to tell a good story...something that few anime's do this day.

>>8647686
Now, he only had one enemy left. Two if you were counting god.

>>8647439
are there other bakker memes> also what happened to Aurgang? he's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything

>>8646974
Rudy Rucker's Ware series would make a really fun watch.

I need the fantasy equivalent to Dune please
>lots and lots of characters
>memorable books
>lot of plot

Game of thrones is what I'm possibly looking at.

>>8647386

novellas are getting to be the thing

>>8646974
>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
>Netflix
Nah I'd only want anime but with zero source material bastardisation like pandering.

>>8647756
>also what happened to Aurgang? he's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything

he probably flew off back to golgotterath after dropping a nuke on the ordeal

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I've never set down and read HG Wells until I found a cheap copy of The Island Of Doctor Moreau, the short novel from 1896. Here, a young scientist is marooned on a small island for a year, where a vivisectionist is trying to transform animals into human beings. After being transformed, the hybrid man-beasts are discarded from the lab to the rest of the island.

It's written in a first person narrative which reads like a restrained and more lucid HP Lovecraft. HG Wells isn't verbose, but he is ponderous, particularly in the first half of the book. However, the second half (as the beasts revert and there is catastrophe) is more fast paced and eventful, with a strong finish.

>>8647886
>“Not to go on all-fours; that is the Law. Are we not Men?
>“Not to suck up Drink; that is the Law. Are we not Men?
>“Not to eat Fish or Flesh; that is the Law. Are we not Men?
>“Not to claw the Bark of Trees; that is the Law. Are we not Men?
>“Not to chase other Men; that is the Law. Are we not Men?”

>“His is the House of Pain.
>“His is the Hand that makes.
>“His is the Hand that wounds.
>“His is the Hand that heals.”
>“His is the lightning flash,”
>“His is the deep, salt sea.”
>“His are the stars in the sky.”

a nice example of parallelism and ancient-style free verse poetry btw :3

Why can't women write ? I'm not trolling or anything...I am honestly curious.

I have read a lot of books and I'm at the point where I don't know where to read. I have tried reading women but they pretty much suck.

Is this some latent sexism ? or is there a reason for it? I honestly don't understand. I would LOVE to find great books written by women but even the greatest pale in comparison...now I'm sad because I there are so many books I won't read :P

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>>8647975
>:P
You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

What is the difference between genre fantasy and literary works with heavy paranormal/fantastical elements?

>>8648083
opinions

>>8648083
The ones I like enough to put in the latter category.

>>8648083
i already answered you
do you understand what genre means? hint, it doesn't mean fantastic elements or the like

>>8647686
>Is there any book or series with the protagonist fighting against a god for whatever reason

Powder mage trilogy
The seven forges(not good)
The god of war audiobook
The iron druid chronicles

>>8648083
Nothing

>>8648083
Nothing.

>>8647276
disregard the shit taste of fags such as >>8647329, Neuromancer is a comfy read.

>>8647386
As we move away from traditional publishing and the need to hit an arbitrary word count (so that your book looks like 'good value' on the shelf) readers will come to appreciate quality over quantity more and more. The traditional length of the novel is already decreasing, and while sff novels tend to be more rigidly stuck in the old classifications, they'll follow suite eventually.

>>8647780
Apart from the 'memorable' thing you're pretty much on point with the 'Song of Ice and Fire' series (don't be a showfag and call it "Game of Thrones")

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>>8647975
>Is this some latent sexism
Probably. Not to SJW you or anything, but if you go into a book expecting it to suck because it was written by a particular author, you're going to find ways to justify your own bias. Further, you might be engaging in an unconscious sexual bias as per this smarmy web-comic.

>>8648277
Neuromancer is great.

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I'm planning to write a sci-fi story (soft in nature but hard in style) that takes place in a setting where the ground level goes on forever. Kind of like Library of Babel, only instead of a library, it's a fruitful prairie that stretches ad infinitum. Am I unknowingly ripping somebody off here?

>>8648335
>Am I unknowingly ripping somebody off here?
Yeah I thought of it first.

I just want to enjoy reading things again. I hate almost everything I try

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>>8646974
Are these stand alone books or do I have to read The Broken Empire first?

>>8647975
You posted exactly the same thing last thread.
>read complete shit
>complain about reading complete shit
>out yourself as a complete newfag using emoticons
Le Guin and Lud in the Mist.

If you feel like 'nothing ever happens' you should give up on female authors altogether and stick to Brandon Sanderson.

>>8647975
What a weird thing to say on /sffg/, anon. I mean, if you posted it in /lit/ general you'll get a bunch of people agreeing and saying "where is female Shakespeare" or "where is female Pynchon" or whatever. But there have been a whole bunch of talented women that earned serious critical acclaim or even shaped the genre itself. Then again snobs at large would argue that writing serviceable sci-fi is something a monkey could do.

What's your guys' opinion on Stephenson? I've read Snow Crush a couple of years ago, I've really enjoyed cool viral linguistic stuff and hilarious anarcho-capitalist setting despite the underdeveloped plot and the hackneyed characters. I've just finished Anathem and my opinion on it hasn't crystallized yet but I'll say that while the setting is more developed and the character less silly the whole travelling between universes thing wasn't as original and interesting, maybe because I two little or two much about quantum physics. Still, it was an enjoyable read.

How do other Stephenson's novels measure up? Does any of it stand out?

Are there any books that are set in the far future of our world but with a regressed medieval society, where the reader initially doesn't know that it's our world and thinks it's just some generic medieval fantasy?

Asking because I'm trying to write one.

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I really don't know if stranger in a strange land is sci-fi or fantasy.

Sci-fi because of Mars, future, solar bodies as property, and space travel.

Fantasy because of all the fucking abilities.

What is it?

I wish The Blood Mirror would leak.

>>8648455
What's the deal with Brandon Sanderson? I'm new to /sffg/(not the guy you're replying to) and I mostly read classic fantasy and modern sci-fi. You guys seem to have a weird love-hate relationship with this Sanderson guy.

>>8648421
They are semi standalone, but to gain a full appreciation you should read the trilogy first....

I wouldn't advise reading the books though. The prequels / branch offs are shit. Do as you wish, just don't come crying in 2 weeks time.

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>>8648530

>>8648530
He has gained a multi-million dollar deal peddling books, that /lit/ feels they could have written / done better.

It's mostly envy, old ass people not clicking with his writing (age acceptance gap from Sanderson writing pg books), people hating on anything popular, a lot of people here like classical books(or memeing that they do) over contemporary, or a combination of all four.

>>8648543
Why must fantasy authors always try to be funny and modern? In what kind of fucked up fantasy setting should the word "allergic" be used?

>>8648530
He's also Mormon so it's probably /pol/bait

>>8648511
Warded man
Broken empire

>>8648543
>imma post it again, but this time as a macro

>>8648554
I actually have the pasta filtered.

>>8648533
Thanks. I remember reading somewhere else that Jorg is kind of an edgelord protagonist and that Jalan was better. My library has Prince of Fools so I'll give it a try before spending any money.

>>8648335
Riverworld, maybe. The entire setting is an endless valley with a river running through it.

>>8648553
I haven't read either of those but I will. At what point in the story is the true nature of the setting revealed?

>>8648511
...Book of the New Sun?

>>8647780
You are actually looking at Lord of the Rings.

>>8647812
>not wanting your favorite sci-fi horror to also have waifus

>>8648083
Having a Spanish last name.

>>8648583
Michel Faber would like to have a word with you.

>>8648335
Not really, it's an archetypal setting. I've been reading a lot of Kino's Journey and it feels a lot like that.

>>8648339
>infinite prairie
>infinite jungle
>infinite airy void
>infinite narrow staircase, empires rising and falling on it
>infinitely long train
>The High House
Why are these settings so interesting and underutilized?

>>8648509
>he thinks Anathem was about quantum physics
They all have their own character. Cryptonomicon/Baroque Cycle are much more tech-focused with tangents on the history of science, and they're his best work in my opinion. Seveneves is intense, one of the very best SF novels in the past few years, nevermind part 2. Diamond Age is closer to Snow Crash than anything else he's written but it's still 1000% more mature, and it's got really interesting ideas on societal discipline and nanotech. I haven't read his thrillers.

>>8648571
Book of the New Sun.

>>8648521
I'd categorize it as "trash" because it's trash. The beginning of Heinlein's full decline into magical realm, something none of us should have had to see.

>>8647398
>When are we getting The Magicians season two?

2017

>>8648543

I don't get it, what's wrong with this?

>>8648597
>he thinks Anathem was about quantum physics
What is it about?

>>8648615
Platonic realism. Read it again and you'll understand. I thought the quantum physics stuff was a little pseudo on my first read too.

>>8648564
It's not really medieval, it1just that they are kicked back a few centuries technologically.

Both books had technology greater than our current era and lost it due to apocalypse .

They find traces of these tech now and again.

Go to goodreads and search for post apocalypse . That would help you like 80 more news?

>>8648597
You only liked seveneves because you are a hard sci-fi cunt

>>8648673
But I liked Baroque Cycle too and that was fantasy.

>>8648605
Yeah I was going to say: it's not tip-top writing, but it's far from the worst I've ever read.

>>8648421
>>8648557
Prince of Fools kind of assumes you've already read the Broken Empire trilogy cause it more blithely reveals some of the world building spoilers that Broken Empire takes 3 books to really uncover.

Jalan is a lot more fun than Jorg though. Neither of them are heroic protagonists and their actions can be pretty hard to admire most of the time, but Jalan's cowardice and absolute lack of shame is generally more entertaining than Jorg grappling with his lack of humanity.

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Holy cow, I'm reading this book and this is very good!

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>>8648776
That delicious, delicious suffering.

>>8648776
>you will never get away with Kay's absurd and often gratuitious fetish sex in your novel

>>8648108
thanks
judging by their names alone they all sound terrible though

>>8648949
They are the book series' name
>judging a book by it's cover / name

>Black skinned man with blue eyes

WTF I hate Breeks now

>>8648549
A more interesting question would be when is it appropriate to stop associating a fantasy setting with reality and when is it.

>>8648549
Scifantasy is the best.

What the fuck is "Nights!"? Sanderson keeps using it

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>>8649020
Hi breeks anon. I thought we went over this.

It happens in real life.

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>>8649020
>Black skinned man with blue eyes
Brown and blue is a great colour combination.

>>8648632
I think I got it. I mean I've been interested in quantum brain stuff and read a bit on neo-platonism, but I didn't feel like Stephenson managed to sell those ideas that well and I've actually read some compelling arguments for platonism. Maybe I'm just jaded.

>>8649020
I bet you hate Melanesians.

>>8648548
>envy
Who would envy that neckbeard who only knows the missionary position?

>>8648511
Any book set in current day Europe.

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>>8649388

Best sci-fi anthologies that aren't Asimov?

>>8649405
The Country of the Blind

Is there a way to do 'psychic warriors' in science fiction without ripping off the Bene Gesserit or the Jedi?

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I read The Blade Itself on recommendation from you guys and it was utter shit. Bland boring generic stock characters presented in YA prose.

I need something more realistic. What is the best historical fiction??

>>8649405
lem

>>8649641
don't forget shaolin monks

>>8649664
>don't forget shaolin monks
Thanks for adding nothing to my post, tripfag.

>>8649686
>being this mad
>being this obsessed about an enabled feature on an Uzbek whale hunting advertising column

I have a request. Do you know a good book about magical girls?

>>8649734
Orphans of Chaos

Noob question.
I read Neuromancer and loved it, especially the gritty aspects like drug use. What is something similar? I've read almost nothing

>>8649734
Yes. I'm writing it.

>>8646974

>What book have you re-read the most?
I reread Solaris pretty much every year. The newer translation by Bill Johnston truly is vastly superior to the earlier double translation from French by Kilmartin and Cox

>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
Speaking of Lem, I'd love to see a longform adaptation of The Cyberiad. It would have the potential to be really funny and clever

>How's your book coming along?
I have a short story collection in my head, along with what I think is a good angle on time travel that would fill several novels. I also have a deep aversion to letting my writing exist without immediately deleting it. Also I don't see the point anyway since I've had ides of mine show up elsewhere more than once

>>8649713
>being this new

>>8649826
>I've had ides of mine show up elsewhere
What did he mean by this?

>>8649800
Care to give a summary?

>>8649900
either he means "ideas of mine" or "ides of march" but his auto-correct changed it.

>>8649826
>The newer translation by Bill Johnston truly is vastly superior


For real. Too bad since it's kindle only not many people will read it, especially since Solaris is somewhat obscure already.

>>8650137
it's not like they don't want to release it in printed form but there are apparently legal issues with that

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>How's your book coming along?

it's almost finished actually, I'm working on touching up the final chapter/ending and then it's done, barring a final proofread/editing check and a cover/blurb

even if nobody reads it, it will be nice to finally just have it done and under my belt

>>8649641
No.

>>8650396
Exactly, the shitty double-translation with the terrible US film cover is still the most widely available edition, a travesty for one of the best Scifi novels ever.

Since there is some discussion about Solaris, can you sell me on it? I read the description but it doesn't sound all that interesting.

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I just finished pic related. I thoroughly enjoyed it. My personal favourite aspect of the book was the way the ghost stories of the metro were imparted through campfire stories. Also coming straight from reading the Odyssey it was a very good adaptation of its themes. Wondering what everyone else thought about it?

>>8649782
The two sequels.

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>>8650620
>the stories you construct in your head will never leave your mind because you actually hate writing despite being good at it

>>8650653
>you actually hate writing despite being good at it

Give me your writing skill then you privileged faggot.

>>8650653
nothing worth doing is ever easy
writing, like anything other creative work, is difficult, arduous, and takes forever

>>8650599
It's pretty well liked here and regularly recommended as a follow up to Roadside Picnic or S.T.A.L.K.E.R who wander of from /vg/.

Avoid 2034, as it takes a strange direction.
Awaiting translation for 2035.

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This book is fucking insane. I love it so far.

>>8650729
This is being mass shilled on Reddit, not sure if I trust it. I read the first few pages on amazon and sounds very boring.

>>8650750

At least read until Senlin enters the tower. I'm only on the second ring and that's where things start to get really crazy.

>>8650784
Can you elaborate?

>>8650789

I can't do it justice since I'm still reading it and it probably won't make a lot of sense without everything leading up to it but the whole second floor turns out to be a theater where everybody that enters has to take part in a week long play in order to pass onto the third floor. The play itself revolves around a love triangle and Senlin is forced to play the part of a butler, and for whatever reason the actors take it very seriously.

>>8647975
I don;t actually know any female SF writers but if this is a general enquiry I highly recommend Donna Tartt.

>>8650817
Huh sounds interesting. Post your impressions when you're further/done again.

Has anyone read "House of Suns" by Alastair Reynolds? Any good? And what do you think of the author in general? Thought about making that one my first of his

>>8650869
Yes.
Good enough for me.
Good enough for me to read almost everything from him.

If you hesitate to commit to a long book try reading some of his short stories or novellas. Like the one that book is based on.

>>8649734
>mfw even if someone does a Soon I Will Be Invincible for magical girls it'll just be some oversexualized Sailor Moon thing with memes and dirty jokes

>>8651009
>it'll just be some oversexualized Sailor Moon thing with memes and dirty jokes
>just
why wouldn't you like that?

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>>8651051
Because it would put corrupt Western sloots into my pure world of moe.

>>8650015
Lots of crazy government projects in the Cold War. One of the craziest turned into a quasi-religious, isolationist group the others call "Essenes." They came up with technology that accesses a higher layer of reality, had limited communication with the creatures there Someone else, probably another crazy project, dredged something up from a deeper, darker layer.

MC's dad runs a DARPA contractor that investigates weird science and digs up Essene bunkers. She's with him when they find a really big, hidden one under a city, it used to be a whole village but everyone in it is dead, maybe their bones are super-aged or something. The only perfectly preserved body is a girl MC's age, she feels called to it, the magical girl thing transfers to her.

So it's a Sufficiently Advanced Technology magical girl thing, with her dad's company providing support as they learn more about the technology, and gradually adding more magical girls to the lineup. Their colors and maybe something about their powers are butterfly-based. I'm hoping to find a chance for rocket hammers and rocket rollerblades and other stupid cool stuff like that.

Enemies are at first just a kind of nanotech infection from the Depths that draws together machinery into animal shapes, so there's things like a giant spider with an industrial kiln for an abdomen or a semi truck that sprouts legs and teeth. Lot of fog of war about who's directing them or if anyone is. May or may not take place in an AU where the Atlantic slave trade never happened.

Meanwhile there's five archetypes interacting with each other and learning to be friends even if they're different., balancing normal lives and magical girl lives, avoiding media attention, normal superhero stuff.

>>8650576

On the surface it's about an alien intelligence that's utterly impossible to understand or communicate with; another layer of that is a meditation on how we are all ultimately unknowable to each other. There is a particular relationship at the center of the story that's harrowing at times, and then there's the question of why that relationship should be so harrowing due to its nature. Also there's some fun Borgesian play involved in the fictional field of Solaristics (the branch of science in the book trying to understand the alien, the kind of thing for which Lem has nodded to Borges elsewhere, especially in A Perfect Vacuum).
Some have made the claim that the book (and in particular the 1972 movie adaptation) are the 2001: A Space Odyssey of the Eastern bloc, but this is really a fundamental misunderstanding. Whereas Clarke was telling an expansive, evolutionary, even transhuman story of (for lack of a better term) evolution, Lem was doing quite the opposite, dealing with human limitations in a tight, intimate, well-delineated story.

/sffg/, is it too overpowered for a character who is supposed to be "weak" to have the ability to compress time allowing her to time travel within her own personal timeline?

>>8651130
At that point I'd say it's not about weakness or strength.

>>8647780
>Game of Thrones
>Not a Song of Ice and Fire
Shiggity diggity, friend.

>>8646974
>TFW re-reading Piers Anthony's Ghost for the fourth or fifth time
It's a pretty 'okay' book at best, but the way it explores human sexuality always intrigued me.

I just started WoT, it's comfy. It's sort of like reading the Cliff Notes for every fantasy series ever written simultaneously.

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>>8651170
If you come crying here we will report your ass.

>>8651130
PKD's Martian Time Slip has a similar kind of idea, where an autistic boy has a different perception of time, which makes him unable to communicate with those around him. So he is always viewing things in terms of what they will become, which is mostly decaying bodies and a 'tomb world.'

It's like having access to a time-slip, but with mental illness as a cause. There's many possibilities in the idea.

>>8650869
I enjoyed it. The ending was a bit disappointing but if you dig the idea you might as well read it. You could also try reading his short story set in the same setting with the same characters. It's called Thousandth Night.

>>8651170
The first book does feel very LotRy but the entire first book is basically just a setup for the real plot that only begins in book 2.

>>8651256
honestly, I want an explanation that's not overpowered but allows the character to homura-loop her life while still being open to space-time power creep later on

>>8651290
It depends how banal you want to be, and whether it is a subjective reality or objective. A subjective reality is more interesting IMO, because it opens things up to psychological and physiological ideas. Otherwise it could be a banal objective reality, like being zapped with a magic wand.

I will add, to nobody in particular, that the mental realm can offer a lot for SF writers as a well of inspiration. Psychosis as living dreams, Jung's ideas about the collective unconsciousness + archetypes, the next stage of evolution as a psychological one, ESP/telepathy, the weak psyche VS subjective realities.

>>8651339
there already are psychological issues, though not related to the time travel. it starts with the main character's schizophrenic mother dying and he's not sure if he's going insane like her or if he really is caught up in a war between lying gods, killer statues and one really smug stage magician. (actually, while I didn't realize it, that works really well with the story's theme of the uncertainty of all beliefs)

>be writing a book about yuri
>they're separated for a big portion of the story
>finally reunited after being apart for the last like year and a half of writing I've done
How the fuck do I do this without wanting to write a steamy lesbian sex scenes every two pages?

>>8651394
Oh yeah, it's a fantasy starring a gay magic-using girl and a tropetastic loli-demon that is also gay as hell

>>8651394
It doesn't take as long to read it as it took to write it.

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>>8651406

>>8651372
The bereavement is a good prop because it gives the character a weak psyche and the pretext for a transformative experience. This can be through an outside agent (via suggestion) or an inner change (psychological, spiritual.)

Your brief outline has interesting possibilities so now you just have to do the hard part.

>>8647015
Flash Gordon was already a tv show

>>8651415
The time traveling character would be a pretty weird case because despite being rather young she's lived potentially hundreds of years just through reliving her life

>>8651394
>>8651401
Is writing sex scenes, then editing them out of the final draft a common practice? Because, to be honest, the main reason I don't want to put it in is because one of the characters is in a 6 year old body. But I'm only really skirting around it because of that. I feel it's integral to their relationship, and not writing it is sorta cheapening that.

>>8650789

A newlywed man from a small town goes on a honeymoon with his wife to a very large tower filled with indifferent, selfish, and sometimes even cruel people. I haven't finished the book either so take this with a grain of salt but I think a major theme of the book is how society grinds people into these sorts of indifferent and selfish people that inhabit the tower. Over time I'm seeing this man that started out as very niave and empathetic to the suffering around him turn into the same type of people that have been using him and taking advantage of him. I'm not even halfway through the book so take that for what it's worth.

>>8646974
>What book have you re-read the most?
I'm assuming this is just scifan so Mort
>What book would you most want turned into a high-budget Netflix series?
Black Company is the one I think would work
Culture's the one I'd love to see somehow done but they'd fuck it, people can't even adapt Dirk Gently properly so I have no faith in Hard scifi or non-action fantasy

>>8649405
Ballard

>>8646974
Johannes Cabal would actually work well on tv

>Blood Mirror still not out

>>8651629
came out on netflix on friday mate

Fuck, I can't get anything done. I nearly asked my dad to promise to kick me out if I don't write 2000 words a week

>>8651566
The later books have pretty bad budget problems, but then again so will a Series Of Unfortunate Events.

I'd prefer to see Dresden Files turned into a faithful TV series, if only to see the Polka-Powered Zombie Tyrannosaurus scene

>>8651685
Is Dresden better than codex whatever? Those books were so bad

>>8651694
It's hard to say. It's got some bad qualities, at least in the beginning, but it carries itself well, especially later on and that honestly makes all the difference.

It's realistic and harsh without being edgy, Dresden himself isn't a mary sue, the romantic arcs are handled realistically without any glorification, and even when something ridiculous happens it generally speaking is properly executed.

The only really bad points really are when characters randomly have swords in a modern setting (though since many of the threats in-series live at least a few centuries and follow a lot of old rules of conduct they may just be a sign of the timeless falling behind in the times) and one specific fey who really fucks up the noir atmosphere

>>8651694
>>8651756
Dresden is literally the modern pulp revival people keep talking about, he's like a magical Doc Savage/The Shadow

>>8647908

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRljdzY3dXs

>>8648509

I enjoy his books, but I find Stephenson always seems to have a moment when he falls in love with his own cleverness to the detriment of his books.

>>8650869

It's good. Fairly hard sci-fi with an epic sweep. Characterization is not the man's strong suit though. Seriously, the only character I really remember is Scorpio the transgenic pig.

>>8651129

Solaris always strikes me as being about the aftermath of the optimism that comes with new beginnings.

Any scientific or technical advance brings with it this huge wave of predictions. Antibiotics will eliminate all disease, nuclear power is going to be too cheap to meter, humans are going to be colonizing outer space, genetic engineering will end famine and disease, the internet will create an egalitarian democratic utopia. A burst of passion, energy and creativity at the start of something new that slowly decays into MRSA, nuclear proliferation, flinging robots at rocks through an orbiting scrapheap, protesters chanting hell no GMO, or Buzzfeed as mundane, real world limitations bite hard and don't. Kelvin recapitulates this in his personal experience on board station.

>>8646998
> Of course. You must protect g00k's new utopia. What's one more shitposter amongst the foundations? Well, what are you waiting for? Do it.

>>8651451
Stick to your guns. If you've goofed by including them, an editor (or your audience) will let you know.

>>8651372
I remember you dropping this idea a few months ago. Still going through with it?

>>8651451
Read black jewels trilogy. You will see how loli rape is handled... although it was written by a woman, so maybe that's how she got away with it.

They might say you are a sick pedo who is writing your sick fetishes and must be put to death.

Your choice.

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>>8651685
They did a tv series and it was shit. I don't think Butcher would allow anyone else to... butcher his work the way they did. The acting was so fucking bad.

You know when you live in a place long enough, supernatural beings would need an invitation to enter? They had some pieces of paper pasted on the door frame.
A normal person just ran in, ripped off the paper, and the big bad walked in. Never cringed with a book I read that was turned film so bad.

Also who ever did the series only did 12 eps, maybe they still have the rights. Netflix won't get shit.

Want a tv show that stayed true to the books? The Magicians by Lev Grossman.

>>8651694
Codex was written on a bet, that you couldn't write a book about the roman legions and pokemon combined.

It did a fucking great job with those limitations.

Would you have been able to win a bet like that?

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>>8651629
I have to finish stranger land before I get to it though... but
O N E D A Y
N
E
D
A
Y

>>8652917
Where I am it says the 27th.

>>8652905
This is the most pathetic defence of that shite

He had to write it for a bet, didn't have to actually publish the garbage

>>8652997
It would be so much easier to follow this if you could say what you didn't like about it

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What went wrong?

There was an anon asking about Jewish SF recently. Yesterday I read The Dybbuk Of Mazel Tov IV, a 1972 short story by Robert Silverberg, about a group of Jewish refugees who have established a new Israel on another planet. There's a lot of Jewish humor and it's a briskly read piece of entertainment overall. A Jewish ghost possesses an alien native and three groups try to release his soul.

>>8653043
Editing, lack of.

>>8653043
Phaethon thought the lawyer AI was telling him where to go to regroup and get his money back, not a place where everyone blacklisted by the independent licensing associations went to get stoned and die.

>>8652847
still hoping to go through with it. no progress

>>8653116
that sounds so bad it's actually kind of offensive. I recommend The Golem And The Jinni. It's got plenty of jewish characters both good and bad and is honestly a clever and cozy story

>>8653116
>>8653280
how about The Yiddish Policemen's Union?

>>8651566
>Johannes Cabal
It's kinda weird how that's the author's hit series

He's a much better scifi writer than fantasy

What is /sffg/ opinion on Mother of Learning?

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>>8649661
It's basically a fantasy novel, except that there isn't any magic, and it was written by a real person instead of a senile weirdbeard who thinks he can make a living writing novelizations of his D&D campaigns.

>>8653506
Don't fucking advertise your own book by pretending that we'll have read it.

Nobody here is going to actually spend money on it even if you do con them into reading it

Also if you're sincerely asking that's even more pathetic, all the fiction out there and you want to read amateur bollocks

what are some cozy sci fi novels?

>>8653771
What you say might be true, but it's got ~300 reviews on Goodreads; It's hardly 'To Kill A God' tier self-promotion (if it even is).

>>8653777
Rendezvous with Rama is very cozy. Some astronauts go to an alien O'Neill cylinder and then just walk around until they have to leave.

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Is Chronicles of Amber any good?

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What's the controversy? It's a just war against aliens who refuse to carry out diplomacy. The human society is weird, but it isn't as weird as fascism or communism, and their society's organization is depicted as being good primarily because it's stable despite causing a great deal of individual suffering. It's not like they have legally-enforced homosexuality, like in The Forever War. Most importantly, the author isn't even pushing these ideas as something that should be adopted in the real world, unlike the socialist screeds of Ursula Le Guin.

>>8653885
yes

>>8653891
leftist "progressive" critics

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>>8653280
It's fun, Silverberg being a non-practicing Jew himself, so he has an arch approach. It's part of an anthology of science fiction by Jewish writers, quite a curio. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?164501

>>8653332
Interesting premise, I haven't read Michael Chabon.

>>8653891
>the author isn't even pushing these ideas as something that should be adopted in the real world
Oho, hang on, I think you might be tinkering with the truth just a little bit there friend. In the novel there is a direct reference to 20th Century politics, which were the result of people 'voting for whatever they felt like without doing anything to deserve their vote' or something. In the novel, these systems collapsed, implying that they were inferior to the version of limited democracy which he espouses.

Further: Heinlein is a known Libertarian, and many of the early scenes take place in a classroom in the form of lecturing - to say that these aren't to be interpreted as the author reaching out to educate the reader alongside the protagonist is silly.

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Is horror related to this thread?

I need more contemporary horror reqs, I'm already through with Ligotti and Laird Barron, who should I check out next?

>>8653990
Blindsight

>>8653980
Suggesting that we take ST as the Book of Heinlein and ignore his senilia from Stranger in a Strange Land on is even sillier.

>>8653980
He refers to events in the 20th century that hadn't happened in the real world. Having the government collapse in the near future and then be replaced by something that is ostensibly better is so common we even see it in Star Trek.

Nothing about the novel's system is libertarian, and the arguments the characters make in favor of it are that it "just works", which is not going to be convincing enough to readers that they adopt in in real life. And in fact, nobody (including Heinlein) has ever wanted a system like that.

>just bought The City And The City on a whim
>a few pages in and I already could not care less
>TFW I have no source of income to spend on books and I'm too picky to like almost anything

>>8653990
DAHNALD

>>8654095
Don't be retarded and read the sample on amazon first...?

>>8654110
this is the first time I didn't do that. At this point Im just rejecting everything I see. I figured if I just grabbed it I would be more committed

>>8654010

Read it, loved it. But I'm looking for weird, cosmic horror right now. Any other author?

>>8653980
>There is a technical term for someone who confuses the opinions of a character in a book with those of the author. That term is 'idiot'.

>>8649782

Pretty much any novel by Philip K. Dick. Maybe not "The Man in the High Castle" but that book is about dullest possible way you could imagine alternative history anyways.

>>8653885

The first five books with Corwin as protagonist are good. The second five with Merlin as protagonist are not as good and don't add much to the series in terms of concepts--I think of it as a rehash of the Amber series but what if Corwin had woken up with a frontal lobotomy.

>>8654095
And the reason you're not using #bookz is...?

>>8654641
Is it better than #ebooks?

>>8653885
One of the few good fantasy series.

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>>8654331
>man in the high castle
>about alternate history

Does Murakami fit in here? I really like his stuff but I can't find similar writers

>>8654753

Fuck off with your shitty Tumblr gifs.

>>8654849
I... I made it myself sempai.

How many more hours will it take Blood Mirror to drop?

>>8654849
>gifs
>it's clearly a webm

>>8654849
>gif
Anon.

Any decent fantasy books with a similar tone to ASOIAF, except actually well written?

>>8654988
What is your benchmark for "well written"? What specific problems did you have with the prose that you want done better?

>>8654766
Funny enough I get the same vibes off other Japanese or Japanese-born writers' prose. The Buried Giant read about as slow and vague as a Murakami book for me anyway.

>>8654753
wonder what Frauke is chuckling about?

>>8655041
Try Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro if you want better prose.

>>8655041
>>8655115
No wait, Buried Giant is by Ishiguro as well. That was kind of silly of me.

Just finished Echopraxia.

Hmmm. I'll have to sleep on it.

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>>8654988
What do you mean by tone? Books that read as if written by an autistic horny fat virgin? The weak grasp of medieval society that comes from an atheist educated by American marxists? The spastic style that comes from trying to pretend that your high fantasy series is unpredictable by jumping from character to character and subject to subject?

>>8655143
>he'll be probably dead before he finishes the next book
feels kind of good.

any collections of fantasy books in mega files floating around?

here is a sci fi /lit/ recs link, like 130 books
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bp7a1wdcywap1xz/sfguide.7z

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>>8655192
You're a real MVP anon.
Thankyou so much for putting this together.

>>8655202
Oh ha. I appeciate that but I didn't! It's been floating around for ages.

I do, however, have hundreds of fantasy books I'm going to one day compile into a mega folder.

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was it a platonic marriage or what?

>>8655303
It was a Sanderson's a mormon so is scared of writing anything sexual marriage

>>8655409
Even without taking sex into account, there were only 2 tender moments in all three books, when Vin confronted Elend about sleeping with ska moment and when she agreed to marry him

it's as if they had no chemistry

>consistent naming rules for your scifi world with every being russian based
>then randomly naming a prison R'lyeh in the second book
You're ruining my immersion Jonathan l Howard

>>8655442
That's every relationship in Sanderson. In Stormlight he's trying to have a saucy relationship and it reads like the others

>>8655468
safehandjobs when

Please recommend weird and/or somewhat ethnic fantasy to me. I have no idea what the fuck to read

>>8655001
Well it's fantasy, so "well written" just means "has a lot of scenes with people fucking and killing".

>>8655516
The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is weird, and it's ethnic in the sense that Randoph Carter is aware of his ethnicity and is violently opposed to anyone who differs.

>>8655537
Oh, I actually meant to read that for a while as research for a book I'll never write because the ulthar cats were part of the story. I forgot I have a huge ebook of everything Lovecraft has ever written

FIYAH

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>>8655578
A short, elegantly written story featuring /pol/ becoming /vip/ only.

what are some good stories or novels that deal with quantum fields and such?

>>8655589
a lot of stuff by greg egan
"diaspora" and such

I don't believe I've ever read a book with a cleric or pilgrim as a protagonist. Can anyone make a recommendations for that sort of thing?

>>8655644
that's a too wide request, lol

some random stuff - "name of the rose", "innocence of father brown", "the pilgrim's progress"

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Poor ben got cucked and he was the one to ask for it... I wonder if he groked it.

>>8655644
>tfw you're literally writing a book with a cleric as the protagonist right now

>>8652917
F O U R
H
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S

So I was reading Lovecraft when suddenly this line pops out:
>My eldest cat, "Nigger-Man", was seven years old and had come with me from my home in Bolton, Massachusetts; the others I had accumulated whilst living with Capt. Norrys' family during the restoration of the priory.

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>>8649826

The point, friend, being that you publish your ideas in your unique idiom according to your own vision. Invariably, there will be many versions of almost every good concept out there. Your goal is to make one that blows the others the fuck out, so that you're almost writing in another genre, as in you're writing so well that you can only make superficial comparisons because you express things far better and do a stronger, more inventive job of exploring the concept.

>>8655699
yeah turns out lovecraft was a horrible racist lol

>>8653990
The strain trilogy by del toro, and let the right one in.

>>8655677
I'm craving a story about a religious journey if that helps. I think that interests me more than something involving a divine caster or healer. Thank you for your input, I'll look into these titles.

>>8655699
Lovecraft is a hack who is afraid of blacks and squids.

He is probably scared of asians too because they eat squids.

Any writing od lovecraft about slanteyes?

Why are Murrican timezones so shit?
When will I get my Blood Mirror fix?

>>8655712
>>8655750
Underage are not allowed on 4chan, pls go tell your mommies that you've been naughty and keep your chicken tendies on reddit from here on.

>>8646974
>most read
Wheel of Time, probably. I've read the whole series start to finish twice, read book 1 through 13 once before the last book came out, and have started it another half a dozen times, getting to various places in the story each time depending on how quickly I lost interest/got distracted.

>high-budget netflix
Wheel of Time. Even then I would still kind of expect it to be awful but I just feel like I want to see someone at least try and adapt it. I would even be happy to see an adaptation that had been savagely trimmed (despite the fact that it's the thousands of little details and side-plots that make the series what it is).

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Basically I need more of pic related, any recommendations?

Blood mirror got upped to Bib

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>>8646974
Are these books any good/worth reading?

>>8655516
Imaro yo.

>>8655906
I couldn't get through the first one. World building felt clumsy to me. Guy has good ideas but just poorly executed with too much exposition and showing his hand too soon. Leaves little to the imagination.

>>8655529
So you don't care about writing and just want content.

>>8655887
The Prose Edda, or any Norse, Celtic or Saxon mythology really

>>8646981

Speaking of Peter Watts, is there anything you might recommend to help someone actually understand any of the science behind Blindsight?

It seemed most people had a lot of trouble understanding huge parts of the book itself.

I'm now wondering whether or not I really could comprehend any of the scientific jargon/concepts, or if I just breezed through it without paying attention to anything.

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There, it's out.

>>8648714
The supporting cast in POF and the Red Queen trilogy is also generally better than those in the Broken Empire books.

Also felt like the Red Queen trilogy had the better ending. Emperor of Thorns just felt really fucking rushed and disorganized toward the end.

Anybody here ever start world building for a novel and discover you enjoy the world building more than the actual writing?

What the fuck do I do now? I don't know if it's just a lack of faith in my prose or if I just genuinely enjoy coming up with ideas more than I do forming that into a narrative.

>>8647276
>http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/

i dunno my dude, >>8648277

when i read it, i couldn't wait to finish it and put it away forever.

>>8656093
DM for D&D or other /tg/ system.

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>>8653990
The Fisherman is real good.

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>bease akka
>BEEASE
what did he mean by this?

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Read the first three books yesterday. Pretty decent, really weird at some points. Not the stroy itself, but some of it just seems plain unnecesary. I mean was it really necessary to point out that Touchstone is circumcised when it's literally irrelevant to everything.
Imagine if someone came up to you and goes "YO I'M CIRCUMCISED."

>>8655887

his biggest inspiration was the Kalevala

>>8656093
Yeah all the time. I mainly read fantasy for the world building but what keeps me coming back is the characters. I can't really create characters for shit, just fictional histories and settings.

>>8656202
fucking americans man

>>8655892
>Bib

Bib?

>>8656339
Bibliotik.
It's also on mobilism now https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=1780182&hilit=blood+mirror

>>8656341

awww yisssss

>>8656341

Oh shit it's also on audiobookbay

>>8656342
>>8656344
Well it's popular.
Half an hour after it was released someone had already uploaded it to Bibliotik.

The copies must have been ripped off overdrive which carries both the audio and the epub formats.

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>>8655709
>The point, friend, being

>>8647756
mindfucked Saccarees a bit, nuked the Ordeal, then fucked off back to Golgotterath.

When they gonna show Aurax though? We've already had focuses on Aurang, Mekeritrig & Shauriatas, I wanna see the Chief Scientist of the Consult in his pendulous glory.

>>8655644
A Canticle for Leibowitz is top tier

>>8655887
the Mabinogion
the Prose Edda
the Mahabharata

>>8655699
Rats in the Walls legitimately scared me, I had trouble sleeping after I read it. Probably the only Lovecraft that did so.

>>8656050
His website Rifters covers a lot

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>>8655807
I'm 27 cunt. You feel it is underage to say someone is racist?
>>>/pol/

Any good cyberpunk recommendations? I recently finished Gibson's Sprawl trilogy and really enjoyed it. Also really like Ghost in the Shell if that's relevant at all..

Thanks!

>>8654095
I just finished that. Fantastic book. Third act is a little soft but nothing unforgivable. I really enjoyed the slow drip of different takes on how the cities worked.

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>>8655644
The Sparrow and its sequel Children of God by Mary Russel.

A Case of Conscience by James Blish.

The Cleric Quintet by RA Salvatore

>>8656677
I didn't love Altered Carbon, but some people do. I did love Snow Crash but some people don't.

>>8655750
Any reasonable man is afraid of blacks and squids.

>>8656139
Scarlet spires genocide best day of my life

>>8655887
the Mabinogion
the Prose Edda
the Mahabharata

>>8656957
>not the fall of Nin'ciljiras
Ishterebinth was 500% absolute madman

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>>8656577
>Haha, I am not some stupid kid but a fully grown imbecile!

>>8656093
No, but I had the opposite problem of realizing that none of this worldbuilding was going to be worthwhile unless I spent the rest of my life writing yet another generic fantasy series, and as a result became so desperate that I considered switching to writing thrillers or horror instead.

>>8656439
Yeah I was really surprised how good it was.
Also, I've been reading Bakker lately, and I was struck by how similar the latter part in The Rats in the Wall was to the latter part of the Cil-Aujas story.

>>8656093
Every fucking time dude, every fucking time.

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put this in the op lol

I grow tired of trying to make characters fit situations in a particular fictional universe I'm writing that spans several works

Is it bad idea to throw away hard canonicity in lieu of being able to give characters a proper arc that makes sense within the specific work?

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>>8657346
Not at all.

Emperor's Soul was pretty bad. Not sure why I read another Sanderson after I hated the first Mistborn book.

>Reads one of the worst books of an author
>Wonders why he he didn't like the worst book the author next

geee

>>8657649
Yeah, don't read him if you hated Mistborn. He's all he can be in that book. If you don't like him there you never will.

>>8657729
I thought the meme went
>ugh Mistborn suck, you read Way of Kings, good time, yes?

>>8646974
What does /lit/ think about Suggsverse?
Is it meta-literature tier?

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>>8657705
>one of his few books with actual decent pacing
>bad
Pick one and stop being wrong on the internet.

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>>8657838
Maybe. I haven't read WoK because I got burned by King, I got burned by Jordan and I got burned by Martin.

>>8657853
>doesn't like Jordan, Martin, or Sanderson
Jesus who do you like then? If you say Bakker then you've officially spent too much time on /lit/

>>8658148
They're all shit authors honestly.

>>8658201
You didn't answer my question. Who do you actually like to read?

>>8658148
I said burned by...I dove into their series, I bought the bit and they betrayed me by flaking out on their own work. Maybe Sanderson will be the exception, but I wouldn't advise anyone read the story until the work is finished.

>>8658201
The key to having a big /lit/penis is to never criticize an author so broadly you're demanded to provide a better example, while sniping at individual problems the author has. Like the Abercrombie Goodreads review that gets passed around here, or *tugs braid*, or samples of Saderson prose. Don't just say Sanderson is bad; post bad prose by Sanderson, then no one can ask you for what you like.

>>8657852

Elantris had much better pacing than than shit show of a book

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