Does anyone here enjoy this book? I can't get into it.

good ideas but prose is shit imo

I liked the idea of the world Huxley created, but the actual story is just one unbelievable plot device after another.

Just don't let the savages run amock and the whole world is unproblematic. Sure, sometimes you get a production error and some edgy FAS lad pops up but those get sent to edgy island where they can be edgy to their heart's content with the other misfits.

Praise Ford.

>>8523153
Seems true of all his books. But they do have great ideas.

>>8523133
This book, like Catcher in the Rye, is a pleb filter. If you actually believe that it portrays a utopia then you didn't understand it

>>8523157
It's getting to the point where reading this is making me angry....Why was bringing back this savage a source of celebrity for John? Who the fuck cares, the populace is aware of their existence already. I understand he is a hybrid, but he stubbornly holds on to savage ideology, making him still a savage.

>>8523133
The ending reads like a shitty anime.

>>8523165
I KNOW IT'S ABOUT A FUCKING DYSTOPIA YOU MONGOLOID.

For fucks sake, this book has been talked about for years.

>>8523174
>I KNOW IT'S ABOUT A FUCKING DYSTOPIA YOU MONGOLOID.

Pleb confirmed.

>>8523165
Every fucking pleb knows the 'official' interpretation is that it's a satire of utopia that is supposed to be dystopic.

The real pleb filter is thinking beyond what your high school teacher told you the supposed correct interpretation is, realising the author is dead and sincerely contemplating the world of the novel and realising that as far as realistic futures for humanity go, a well-ordered world of consumerism and pleasures isn't so bad given the alternatives.

>>8523188
this

>>8523133
>all under the guise of control.

It's not control if everyone wants to do it.

>>8523133
It's just a reversal of that other book, where the Dystopia is anti sex and drugs. Consider the Authors real life attitudes if you like irony.

>>8523252
you are talking about 1984, which interestingly enough, the author of that is the student of this books author.

>>8523188
Hm, yeah, I'm gonna agree with this. I always thought that people in well-off places such as Europe and the US of course considered the world dystopian.

But if you're a poorfuck from Ethiopia, a world of forced consumerism, no creativity, but also no wars and guaranteed nutrients might not sound too shabby.

Freedom comes with shitty choices, you can either have a free world, or a safe one.

>>8523480
Yeah, the people who consider BNW dystopian are often the ones who are pretty much living in it already but don't realise this.

Is anything else by Huxley actually worth reading?

>>8523497
His essays on psychedelics if that's your kind of thing are quite interesting.

>>8523480

all I ask for is my freedom to voice my opinion openly, my freedom to own land, freedom to travel where I like, freedom to hold my own personal belief system.

Everything is else is whatever.

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Was he autistic?

>>8523505
> be dying
> decide to die tripping balls

the absolute madman.

>>8523133
It's p good, but Huxley wasn't a good writer. All of his books are just vehicles for his philosophy. Island is the worst about this, its just a series of characters talking about philosophy.

John isn't supposed to be "correct" either. You're supposed to question why he doesn't attempt to understand it. His extreme is just as bad as Mond's extreme.

It's not a perfect book, but its a great way to teach high schoolers how to read books. The symbolism is easy to understand, the concept is fun, and the prose is good enough. It's good for what it is.

>>8523507
>all I ask for
These things have never been possible and never will be, sorry friend.

>>8523133
Personally enjoyed 1984 a lot more. Better than Fahrenheit 451 though.

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>>8523515
>All of his books are just vehicles for his philosophy.
That is my fetish.

>>8523236
You need to read some Foucault, matey

>>8523480
>Freedom comes with shitty choices, you can either have a free world, or a safe one.
where did you get this silly idea?

you can also have a safe world with freedom + education.

what you meant to say was that you can only empirically prove freedom within a social structure if you're allowed to adversely affect the structure with shitty choices. big whoop, wow good insight

>>8523507
Holy fuck. Spooky, man.

>>8523157
I think the really interessting question is WHY it is a dystopia. Everybody exept some utilitarists and hedonists agree that it's dystopic. But WHAT makes it a dystopia if there is no suffering?

>>8526085
Wat?

>>8526099
It's dystopic because everything is pre determined, and the lower class people are essentially slaves bred in captivity. They are slaves because they had no choice in their stpidity

> Inb4 its not bad because they don't know better

It is bad. There is a lack of REAL freedom. The people only think they are free.

>>8526099
People's vanity about being snowflakes, really.

Our current first world is a lot like BNW. People like the security, the consumerism, the birth control, the televisions and video games, the gadgets, the booze and the weed and the loose sexuality and dance parties. Some even go backpacking in the savage reservation like all their little friends and feel adventurous and special for it.

In our world, people somehow have managed to believe that their factory made clothes, drugs and consumable media somehow contribute to their individuality. We've given the soma pills different colours and confuse it for freedom.

You better start believing in Brave New Worlds laddo you're in one.

>>8526117
Sounds like our world except the slaves are deprived of basic amenities like plumbing and medicine whereas the BNW sweatshops are air conditioned and safe with a handful of soma at the end of the workday and a cosy apartment to rest up in with fine entertainment.

I'd rather be a lower class BNW citizen than a lower class third worlder in the real world.

>>8526453
I'm aware, and I also see that shit for what it is.

The ending always irritated me. I felt like killing himself was just saying "Guess they were right".

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The book is boring as shit. The only futuristic cool scene is the one from the first chapter.

prose is shit as this anon said >>8523153 and this anon confirmed >>8523515

Anyway, BNW + 1984 are essential /pol/ entry books needed to understand the dangers of ideologies based on totalitarism.

Fuck marx.

Fuck

>>8523133
Yeah the prose is shit, definitely worth reading anyway.

>>8527076
*tips fedora*

The government is your friend.

>>8526465
It's prophetic nature makes it so relevant, just like 1984. These ideas keep popping up in politics in regular intervals.

>>8526453
all things considered we're pretty comfy monkeys

>>8527153

The government is not my friend

you missread my comment

>>8527076
BNW is a critique of capitalism, friend.

>>8527076
>BNW and 1984 essential to the fedoras at a redpilled Donald Trump supporter board

I don't think we read the same books. Or that you've listened to what Donald Trump says. Enjoy failed foreign relations and a crippled economy if he's elected.

Only decent but the final line about his legs turning is great

>>8523133
>Christian overtones
Wat

>>8526117
>the lower class people are essentially slaves bred in captivity
Would you rather have frustrated alphas confined to a life of poverty and servitude because your economy is fucked up? At least the slaves there live happy lives, because that's what they were meant to be.

>There is a lack of REAL freedom
Can't have a perfect world with it.

Humans are flawed, no matter how much bio-engineering you put into them. Therefore, a perfect society for humans must necessarily limit their choices so that their flaws won't come up and destroy everything.

>>8526465
This. Why is being a delta bad if they can't tell the difference? They probably have an even better time than alphas.

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>>8527178

>BNW is a critique of capitalism, friend.

False.

The book is a critique of socialism.

The basic premise is:

(1) that religions require suffering and socialism will end suffering, and therefore socialism is bad because religion is good

2) that socialism makes everything feel mass-produced and destroys the feeling of individuality.

>>8527222

>Enjoy failed foreign relations and a crippled economy if he's elected. Or that you've listened to what Donald Trump says

I've read it, and yes, it is anti-communist in that it shows how science and mass production are abused in a "Scientific-Socialist" system.

I view it as a warning of how science can be used as a political tool to manipulate the masses. Same can be said for mass-production. If mass produced goods are of poor quality and the market is manipulated (as it is today) by government to prevent small businesses from being able to compete with quality goods/services(as in the case of corporate welfare) then you have a command economy (like in BNW) that stifles the ability of small businesses to grow and prosper. Again, some regulation of the markets is required so long as that regulation is to stop monopolies, and not protect them.

I recommend you to read the letter he send to Orwell

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html

>Enjoy failed foreign relations and a crippled economy if he's elected.

uhh Are you a triggered librrul?

I am not even american, so I can't vote in your elections. I am spaniard. Yes. Spain is an european country. And no, Spain is not south america. Amerifats.

>>8527245
Spain is the dumpster of Europe anyway. Have fun being the European equivalent of a nigger.

>>8524650
Huxley is exactly that, with excellent characterization. See Point Counterpoint.

>>8523508
no, just took way too much acid