/sffg/Science fiction and fantasy general

I haven't read any science fiction or fantasy in a month, aside 50 pages of some Moorcock schlock.
Will considering the following for reads, vote goys
Gormenghast (book two) by Peake
The Once And Future King White
Peace by Wolfe
Worm Oruboros by Eddison
Will listen to other cool recs

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>>8515534
This is the only book containing male pregnancy that I can think of.

Ok the last thread was ok, although shitted up a bit towards the end. The thread before that was a disaster though. Let's try and stay on track this time lads.

Thinking about picking up Brandon Sanderson's Steelheart series, Would anyone recommend it? The premise seems kindof MEH to me but I usually enjoy Sanderson's work.

>>8515845
>young adult superhero fiction

don't do it man
don't hit yourself with that hammer

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>>8515868
I liked it. It's Mistborn aimed younger with Superheroes. If the anon you replied to doesn't like the premise he should steer clear because it's pretty much that exactly.

Strangely I don't care for cape comics and dislike cape movies, but I enjoy super-powered people in books.

On Sanderson, I loved Mistborn but hated the second Mistborn series, if that helps you calibrate.

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So what's the general opinion on Robin Hobb?

>>8515525
Yes

>>8515950
/sffg/ hasn't seemed too keen on her in the last few months, plus the whole >women authors things. Personally I love most of her work, especially the Fitz/Fool series (plural). She writes some of the best characters in fantasy IMO, Fitz is one of the most tragic characters I've ever read.

>>8515534

How does /sffg/ feel about The Name of the Wind? I'm only on chapter seven or so but I like it so far, the descriptions of the inn are all incredibly homely and give it such a cozy feeling, everyone is too witty for the sole purpose of being witty though but other than that not bad. However in the introduction the person described it as being very much like the work of Meryvyn Peake, as someone who adored Gormenghast, I do not see the resemblance at all or does that happen later on?

>>8515550

Finish Gormenghast, I need to read three and four myself.

>>8516059
Rothfuss is one of the most hated authors here

>>8516070
Which is a bit undeserved because it seems (haven't actually read anything by him) he just writes Gary Stu power fantasies (ala Dan Brown) where, eg, the main character looses his virginity to a sex goddess and she thinks it was awesome sex, instead of being a actual terrible person like say, OSC, Piers Anthony or Marion Zimmer Bradley.

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>>8516118
How is Piers Anthony a terrible person?

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Just finished this book..

Was it good?

>>8516172
No, but you'll pretend to like it in order to fit in with your internet friends.

>>8516172
Yes. It was much better than Cats. You're going to read it again and again.

>>8516118
He's worse than you'd assume from the description. His fedora is hard to put into words.
OSC is much better.
>>8516059
The more you read it the worst it gets. Theres nothing remotely similar to Gormenghast about it.
The person who made the comparison is a fucking retard.

>>8516184
...but not as good as cats. You feel the need to gather research material.

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I recently finished both the Kane series by Karl Wagner and Conan the Barbarian (only the Howard stories) and I loved them both. Can anyone suggest other sword&sorcery/fantasy novels that are similar?
I already read Nifft and it was alright, and Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser and I didn't like it.

>>8516249
David Gemmell

>my library has more obscure xenofiction books like Mirs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, Bamni, and Varjak Paw
>doesn't have Tailchaser's Song or Watership Down
>only one library in the entire state has a copy of Tailchaser

These books should be more widespread considering the Tailchaser's Song movie and BBC Watership Down stuff coming soon.

>>8515891
SIWBI was amazing, but I really didn't like Steelheart. I was promised unpowered good guys.

A huge strength of SIWBI was how all the ridiculous Crisis on Infinite Worlds comic book stuff was played completely straight. He didn't try to subvert anything.

>>8516059
If Gormenghast is fantasy so is Name of the Rose, and I'm rocking and rolling with that right now.

>yfw most science fiction is obsessed with religion

How's it feel fedoras

>>8516549
*the best science fiction

forgot the crucial part

>>8516553
They probably just go muh clarke muh asimov and act like the pulps never existed.
>SF treats religion as a punching bag for sixty years
>if it isn't a distant memory of an enlightened people who have thankfully progressed beyond it it's an evil scam by cartoon villains
>but if you don't have a gay man in your book you're a terrible person

>>8516193

Looking at the cover it appears whoever wrote the introduction was called Stephen Deas, never heard of them.

Right, so let's say I wanted to write a science fantasy story where the main character discovers an illuminati type group ruling and controlling everything and a big theme would be whether humanity really has order or chaos is basically in control and humankind is spiraling towards destruction, what would be the best way of doing it? I think a medieval setting is way overdone for that type of thing.

>>8516179
Spotted butthurt chart anon.

Keep getting replaced by better people.

>>8516118
Rothfuss is a terrible person, he fucks underage female students who were memed into thinking he has talent.

>Write Gary Stu fanfic
>Get 6/10 pussy

>>8516560

Jokes on them. The greatest SFF works are intensely religious

>BotNS
>A Canticle for Leibowitz
>LotR
>Any George MacDonald
>Narnia
>Dunsany

Atheshits BTFO

>>8516619
Why do you say best then proceed to list the worst? Those are good examples of why religious people can't write.

>>8516619
>b-but no one goes to church in LotR so it can't be religious

>>8516622
That post is a good example of you being on the spectrum.

>>8516622

Shit taste confirmed

Name me some SFF writers or works who could top Wolfe, Dunsany, Tolkien or MacDonald?

>>8516644
It's harder to name people who don't top them.

>>8516570
Very reminiscing of Wolfe honestly. Go for something like that.
>>8516619
Who is McDonald and tell me about Dunsay. What did they write and what do you recommend?

>>8516647
Yup, on the spectrum, completely unable to answer a simple question

>>8516644
>Dunsany
>muh fields

>>8516639
>>8516666
Are you this upset that you didn't get a reply you're posting it again? Here's your (You) man you really wanted it. Won't change that Wolfe is absolutely terrible though.

>>8516172
I think it's a good book because it, and the rest of the tetralogy, is still something I think about long after reading it.

>>8516549
Religion is interesting, just like sex and death are interesting. They are commonplace things everybody has an opinion on, and there is a wealth of mythology and tradition to draw on, when writing about religion. Naturally a lot of SF would talk about it.

>>8515550
I suggest you read Robert Silverberg's Downward To Earth, for no reason than I want to meme the shit out of this author so that I can discuss his work with more people. A man seeks forgiveness from a race of sentient elephants. The prose is earthy and smooth like velvet.

Anybody here read the Three Body Problem trilogy? Good?

>>8516676
>I want to meme the shit out of this author so that I can discuss his work with more people
You want to meme Softcore Silverberg?

>>8515845
Calamity! You actually want to read a sparking Sanderson novel you slontze?

>>8516709
Storm you.

>>8516570
I'd go for a late Renaissance time period. Tons of secular and religious upheaval, technological progress (adoption of cannons/muskets makes for more interesting battles than "idiot swings a sword"), etc.

You could even rip off the 30 year war, since it was absolutely insane and most Germans thought the world was ending.

>>8516682
>TBP is literally the best sci fi to come along in years and you're pooh-poohing it away.

>First of all, no one likes it because of some wishy washy desire to see more translated fiction. How facile and pandering. I have literally never read a worse thought.

>Second, and this is tied to the first point, it's laughable that the only part of any relevance is the Cultural Revolution section. Again this pandering oriental fascination. Read a history book if it's so eye-opening. That said, the historical context of China is well utilised for the plot, and it all comes together so magnificently.

>It's truly reminiscent of golden age sci fi, with big ideas and lots of science. It's exciting and fresh, and yeah The Dark Forest does just take it to the next level. This isn't a book about fucking characters - it's a book about scientists and existentialism (by the way The Dark Forest is a beautiful love story) and it works perfectly for that. There are issues with translation and this is mostly in dialogue, but honestly there was some killer writing in there. But oh no sorry Station Eleven is just so beautiful it made me cry. Give me a break. This is far and above a lot else out there.

>tl;dr appreciate, fools.

>Addendum: I went to a seminar in Sydney with Cixin Liu was speaking. I have never seen such a packed event. A university lecture theatre filled with Chinese students (and me and like 5 white dudes). During question time there was a literal stampede of people wanting to ask him questions. And no, not questions like 'how do you find time to write?' or some lame bullshit Western audiences would ask, but deep and meaningful questions about science and the future of China.

>That day I saw the West die.

>>8516756
hello friend

>>8516676
Why does a tripshit think like he is welcome

>>8516697
You may be referencing his soft pornography novels under the pseudonym Don Eliott. I haven't read those.

But if you are disparaging Downward To The Earth, I disagree. It's as good as any other of his novels from the 60s-70s.

>>8516054
Yeah, I fell in love with her characters about a year ago. Been reading anything from her I could get my hands on ever since.

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>>8516792
I am, though I haven't read them either.
I was a bit traumatized by pic related, which is quite lurid.

So I decided to check out the Warriors 'manga' at my library and I don't get why Graystripe couldn't stay with the twolegs.

Are there any fantasy novels (that are not horror hybrids) where the "bad guys" win? Not anti-heroes or anything, but actual villains.

>>8516755

Not bad, I've always been interested in the feudalism of the 30 Years War. I could imagine a lot of people would be dueling and displacing various houses so there really is no central power unifying things completely, one of the reasons my world is going to shit.

>>8516815
Elric of Melbourne stuff ends with the triumph of chaos and the black sword

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>>8516815
Not a novel but the next Obsidian game, Tyranny, is going to basically be that. You're going to play a team of the Dark Lord's underlings who's job is to maintain order now that he rules the world.

>>8516817
Oh totally. HRE period Germany was a absolute clusterfuck. And like I said, people literally thought the apocalypse was happening because some states suffered population decreases of 75% or greater.

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>>8516875
ZOOM AND ENHANCE

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>>8516866
>Elric of Melbourne

>>8516899
>OI ARIOCH YOU BLOODY CUNT!
>BLOOD AND SOULS FOR THE FUCKING CUNT!

Just picked up Red Mars. Looking forward to getting into it. Any other recommendations for a newbie into the sci fi / fantasy game

>>8516929
Philip K Dick
Ursula le Guin
Frank Herbert

These are pretty interesting authors that hit the note of decent quality and high entertainment and cool ideas.

>>8516936
>Philip K Dick
Maybe he doesn't have the best prose or whatever but his ideas are great if you don't mind the surreal.

He also managed to make me feel upset about someone pulling the legs off a random spider in Do Androids Dream and I'm usually all for insect mutilation

>>8516885
>>8516875
>holy
>roman
>empire

>>8516975
For certain values of each.

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WHO? WHO? (doctor) WHO? WHOo-

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worst
GENRE WOLFE

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>>8516975
>crashing Germany, with no survivors

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>>8515566
Excession by Banks has kind of a male pregnancy. Culture citizens can change their body from male to female or the other way round within a around year, get pregnant and keep the fertilized egg stored in your body (it says it's stored in the balls) to decide later when to let it properly develop.
Banks describes a common practice where in a regular romance, partners change their sex to impregnate each other, the one first impregnated stores the egg in his balls, then impregnates the female who was originally male, who in turn doesn't let the fetus develop, then waits another year until the temporary male has changed back to female and they both give birth at the same time.

>>8515891
>>8516539
I think I'm going to pick that up

>>8517053
Pretty good, but separate the "golden age" into pre- and post war. It's a jarring jump cut from Lindsay to Heinlein

>>8517135
This appears to be one of the charts that's been in the OP forever.

>>8517149
So OP is still a fag after all?

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>>8515845
Steelheart is essentially an inferior version of the Darker than Black anime (only S1 + the OVAs since S2 is so shit) and the only reason to read the trilogy is for Prof. Book 1 is generally straightforward but shit, Book 2 gets better in terms of the worldbuilding/plot and Book 3/Calamity goes downhill quite quickly as a cop out. The protagonist is awful, cringy and annoying.

The premise of it the trilogy is that anyone who gets superpowers will turn into a sociopath and kill everyone they love and get a specific weakness.

Sanderson is all 'let's redeem them because some divine asshole just had a bad day and made them' and Darker than Black is all 'they experience emotions in different ways to normal humans and the reason why they have become this way is unknown.

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>>8515534
So is the stormlight archive a meme?
I am almost done with book two and like it what are your guys opinion?

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>>8516179
You belong in an oubliette.

>>8517166
It's a meme insofar as the author has a 10-year plan to complete it.

I got burned with Jordan and King and swore off ongoing series. Then somehow came to believe ASOIAF was a trilogy. Burned again.

But whether or not Sanderson's quality is holding up, he is fantasy's closer so it's probably safe to invest yourself in his big series. For myself, I will wait.

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>>8517131
You'll probably like it. I think the book is perfectly titled and will deliver for anyone who is intrigued by the mix of warmth and irony.

>>8517187
I got burned pretty hard when I read the novelization of No Man's Land. What an utterly inconceivable piece of trash that was and it was even written by Rucka (some writers may be good in medium x but not in medium y).
But I'll take your word for it and pick it up next month.

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>it's a new thread
>time to gather my threadly hate for my sustenance

>>8516676
>Thinking about the tetralogy
You'd better read it before you remember about it

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>>8517187
based Stardust

>anon suggested house of blades to me
>first page is a
>teleports behind (moves so fast, same difference) the guy, "heh", nothing personnel

Fuck you anon.

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>>8517327
cheers to that anon then

>>8517244
You'll have to elaborate on that buddy, because I'm not sure what you mean.

>>8516172
I wish whoever has the publishing rights to BotNS would just release it as it is as a full volume with that specific cover art. It's like the best one.

I've been working on a quantum-physics inspired mythology for god knows how long and I STILL have symbolic issues

I made elecromagnetism associated with the "spark of life" and the weak force with "death and decay" (since the weak force mediates particle decay)

The problem is that the weak force acts on something called the "flavor" charge (which there are three opposite pairs of) which I don't have a way to connect to the idea of death and decay, and the character who is supposed to be that force's "avatar" is supposed to be able to switch flavors (which pisses him off becuase he got such a weak power). I don't really know what to do with that unless any food he uses his powers on decays really fast, making his power even more useless

>>8516059
Name of the Wind is overrated, but not really bad, especially if you've avoided hype.

Rothfuss completely crawled up his own ass after NotW was well received though, and the sequel is fucking terrible. It will probably be years before he finishes the third ("""final""") installment.

>>8516172
These posts should be bannable.

>>8516249
Consider giving Tarzan or John Carter a shot. If you liked Howard you owe it to yourself to give Burroughs a shot.

>>8516660
MacDonald wrote the Flashman books, which you should absolutely read.

Dunsany: you know how fantasy books stereotypicall contain "ye olde dragonnes"? (Though most actually don't, nowadays.) That was Dunsany, although he's as far above his imitators as Tolkien is above his. Try The Worm Ouroburos, or The King of Elfland's Daughter.

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>>8516929
Although the chart neglects Ender's Game, which I think is another good entry-level SF novel, and Wolfe. I'd recommend The Fifth Head of Cerberus for starting with Wolfe.

>>8516619
I was going to disagree, but now that I think about it, you're kinda right. Religious authors really do tend to put out better stuff.

On the other hand, you get someone who is staunchly atheist like China Mieville, and the book stumbles over bitter ressentiment for 400 pages with occasional gay sex to break the mood.

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>>8501243
>For a novel about magical dolls House of Blades is really fun

>It's a Sanderson style action novel with everyone having magic ripped from anime but the author actually knows how to pace a book

>And it's in glorious single POV

Where the fuck is the magical dolls fagget this shit reads like a fucking ya novel.

Why is Neal Stephenson as popular as he is? His books are shit.

>>8517490
>bitter ressentiment for 400 pages with occasional gay sex to break the mood.
Wow, what Mieville is that? I've only read the new paris one and it's more like a fantasy version of PKD's "dude, reality bending" motif, didn't detect fedora from him the way you do with Rothfuss or someone.

>>8517464
>oh god it's the "animal is associated with some deity power" anon

Still struggling I see.

>>8517476
Worm Ouroboros isnt Dunsany, friend, though still a good recommendation.

Penguin has a great Dunsany collection called In The Land Of Time

>>8517490
Right or wrong, religion rules literature for a very good reason.science is isn't made with human needs in mind. It's truth, sterile and silver without any intent to create meaning or symbolism. Religion is made by humans, for humans. it's designed to enrapture us, to inspire us, give everything we experience and stand for a complex metaphysical background in the symbols of the human brain.

In science, apples are just another fruit, in religion they are a fundamental icon of knowledge and those things forbidden to us


I want to write a series where the binary between religion and science is broken, and I've spent the better part of a year planning such a thing, but at the end of the day I've still made no progress

>>8517532
yep. maybe I'll get some writing done now that I got fired. haha, yeah right

>>8517469
>These posts should be bannable
It's just the low iq anon(literally low iq), he isn't meming. He literally can't form opinions for himself.

>>8516311
>>8517469
Thanks dudes, I'll check those out

>>8517535
>I'll get some writing done now that I got fired.

Called the boss's daughter a melanin enriched human lover?

Or did you fondle the boss's daughter thinking it would turn out like in the hentais, with her admitting that she is a huge cock hungry slut who always wanted you to stir up her pussy?

or did you indulge in some embezzlement?

>>8517554
no, just got too argumentative with Research and Development

>>8517481
>Baxter
>Raft

But it's his worst novel

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Wew. It's a
>fossils think their edgy teenage pulp they read as a kid is better than modern teenage pulp

Kek. How delusional are you fags? They are both shit. Read actual literature instead of pew pew muscle men in space.
I can't even my sides have attained orbit.

>>8517567
>messing with R&D
>2016
You deserved it desu senpai

What's some fantasy that's really aesthetically fantastic? The kind of stuff where you literally just want to stare at the architecture, taste the food, smell the scents, and ride the whatever-the-fucks into some psychotropic sunset

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>>8517585
>he thinks Destination: Void, End of Eternity, Martian Time-Slip, etc. are pew pew muscle men in space

Has there been a good parody/lampooning (ala "Bill, the Galactic Hero") of all the grimdark fantasy stories yet? Seems like somebody could really capitalize on doing either a "George RR Martin, Scot Bakker, Joe Ambercombe, all pale before W. E. W . Buskirk's THE BAD COMPANY!" or a "Lords of the Swastika" style "documentary" about Garth Mahrengi style author.

>>8515950
Farseer books were some of the first I ever read

I think they're quite good for coming of age and a good choice for readers newish to the genre, I also very much like the second trilogy The Tawny Man and was more impressed by it on a reread. I read the first book of the new trilogy a couple years back but was really disappointed and have dropped it.

Haven't read any of her other stuff, honestly most of it outside of Liveship Traders seems to be rated pretty poorly and I was always mostly drawn to Fitz rather than the world (I believe all or most of her series share the same world).

>>8516118
Rothfuss is an incredibly shitty person though. He's somehow more lazy than GRRM and is incredibly arrogant and an asshole to his fans about it as well

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repurposed one section from the large sf chart n the OP

>>8517692
Just that Goodreads review that we keep posting afaik.

I'm going to write a novel deconstructing epic fantasy tropes. So there'll be this hick who has to take a thingie to the place to destroy it, except he'll never get strong and never actually kill anyone. I'll put in your standard epic hero king-in-disguise but he'll be like a side character. They'll do their stupid council of the wise thing where all the races decide the evil thingie needs to be destroyed, except some of them will want to try and use it, and they won't get along at all.. Anyway, they'll send a ragtag band of heroes to help the hick take the thingie to the place, except they'll be trying to kill each other before they're halfway there and the hick and his bro will skip off while the other ones aren't watching. And instead of the king-in-disguise guiding them they'll have this edgy demon creature that talks to itself, and when they get to the place the hick will say screw it I'm the Dark Lord now, and just then the demon creature comes out of nowhere and kills him or maims him or something and accidentally saves the world. And they go back to their peaceful village but it's filled with bad guys because it's not like the bad guys all disappear when the Dark Lord does.

Am I original? Tell me nobody's done an epic fantasy parody like this before.

>>8517599
Honestly Redwall is the only series where I've actually wanted to live in their world. The food, the atmosphere, the different races and way of speaking seems so cozy to me.
I know they're really for children but if I'm ever bored I spend a few hours reading one of them.

>>8517831
That sounds really fucking awful
I'd read it

>>8517831
Call it the Boss of the Things, make it a trilogy.

>>8517831
Sounds fun, def would read it desu

>>8517831
You just described lotr... with some extra added on
Is this b8?

>>8517831
The very fact that you used the word deconstruction makes two things clear.
1. You can't write for shit.
2. You are a weeb and even your taste in anime is trash.
Didn't read after that.

>>8517524
Pasting cyberpunk on a mediocre work somehow makes it great if you wrote it in the 80s and 90s.

>>8517476
That's George MacDonald Fraser. George MacDonald wrote Phantastes, Lilith, etc. Both were Scottish, though.

I second the recommendation for Flashman

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Excited and scared at the same time.

>>8518160
Fellow MST fan? I haven't read any Williams other than the original trilogy, so I'm mostly excited.

>>8516756
Wait I saw this exact same reply in the last thread when I asked the same question? Is this a meme? I'm actually about to start reading it.

why do people like greg egan?

is it b/c they don't actually know science/math?

i do (to some extent, at least) and his plots are dumb and contrived, he just drops technical terms here and there in an uncompelling and ultimately contrived fashion

also i like to actually have like, characters that seem real and not flat, and beautiful prose, etc.

esp. the story which was about mathematicians going insane b/c the foundations were found to be inconsistent or something -- it was written as though the author were someone who superficially had some technical understanding of math but didn't actually know how to do math, talk to any mathematicians, know anything about the practice of mathematics, etc.

>>8517831
Sounds a bit like Harry Potter desu

>>8518164
Yes, read the series more than three times when I was younger. Great memories.

>>8518175
>it was written as though the author were someone who superficially had some technical understanding of math but didn't actually know how to do math, talk to any mathematicians, know anything about the practice of mathematics, etc.

Greg Egan has a BSc in mathematics and worked as one; maybe you're the dummy?

>>8517481
It seems weird that Fountains of Paradise is part of the Golden Age when it came out in 1979, yet Dune is New Wave when it came out in 1965

Anyone read Haldeman's Forever War? Thoughts?

>>8518175
>as though
He teaches mathematics and knows more about it than you and any five of your loser friends know. See >>8518209.

Also,
>consistent foundations
>in math
Are you a fedora NEET with no understanding of things on the than facile opinions on /sci/? Who exactly doesn't study maths again?

Faggot.

>>8518276
It's more related to style and focus of the stories than to when it came out.
I'm pretty sure there were some realists who wrote after the birth of naturalism.

>>8518294
But Fountains of Paradise feels more New Wave-y than Clarke's older material.

>>8518278
I liked it, some novel ideas. ending was a bit of a letdown though.

>>8518338
Hmm true, it did seem a bit too happy. I didn't mind the anticlimactic ending to the war though

>>8518278
Way too nail-on-the-head Vietnam parable, there was no subtlety there. It had the bland writing and characters of the military sci-fi subgenre, and it's typical of that subgenre generally. So I didn't like it, but if you like that stuff it will probably scratch your itch.

>>8518355
>Way too nail-on-the-head Vietnam parable, there was no subtlety there
Who gives a shit?

>>8518355
Oh right. But if it's so typical of the military scifi subgenre, than why is it so well regarded?

>>8518362
It's not, almost nobody outside of scifi nerd circles has heard of it. Because the scifi scene is shit lol.

Military scifi is shit, but at least Weber and Drake don't pretend they don't write pulp

>>8518360
People who don't like in your face preaching and paraboles I would assume.
>>8518362
Because people want to read military sf, but it's a desolate subgenre.

>>8518360
Scifi isn't the proper medium for reflecting on contemporary politics, as the scifi world itself lacks influence, insight, and won't assert itself anytime soon. Vietnam politics are especially tedious, because they come along with self-righteous, long-haired, pedestrian protester soapboxing.

Asimov and KSR wrote some political works that they felt strongly about, and nobody remembers them today, or will in the future. No loss honestly.

>>8518417
How can you twaddle so much shit in so many words? The density is off the charts

>>8518430
How do you twaddle with so few?

Makes you think, huh faggot.

The science fiction and religious debate is the best conversation in these generals for about the 8 last /sffg/s.

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Are there any books, not written by Wolfe, that are similar in theme to Book of the New Sun?

Before someone recommends it, I've read Vance's Dying Earth.

>>8518548
How about looking at the wikipedia page for Dying Earth, the genre and not the genre-defining book?

>>8518568

I've read some of the stuff listed there, but didn't like much, hence asking the question. I suppose I should have said as much in my post.

Another book I enjoyed was The Night Land by Hodgson.

>>8518548
In themes? Summa Theologiae and works which largely center around religious themes, most famous being The Brothers Karamazov, Confessions by St. Augustine.
Flannery O'Connor and Shukaku Endo hit the Catholic aesthetic.
Chesterton and Borges were two major influences on Wolfe in general, he often talks about them.
In science fiction and fantasy, only Gormenghast comes to mind, but mostly because both are modernist works.

>>8518589

Drat, I've already read Gormenghast, albeit it has been a decade or so since the last reread, so I might as well go for another turn at it.

>>8518403
>People who don't like in your face preaching and paraboles I would assume.
Kinda sounds like this book triggered you buddy.

>>8518636
I didn't read it. But as the person who didn't like it said he found it preachy, it's safe to assume that's why he didn't like it.

How does this place feel about Iain M Banks?

The Culture is best Utopia IMO

>>8518644
People who complain about things being preachy pretty much always have problems with the politics being espoused

>>8518646
/sffg/ like him.
I dislike him. He's not very funny but tries so hard.

>>8518653
He's pretty funny. The Minds in particular are hilarious. I feel like there's a lot more legit criticisms than that

>>8518548
Doesn't that last panel look like Wolfe?

>>8517135
>>8517149
>>8517053
I would love to make a new chart, but I'm not too well read in the SF realm, so it would be limited to remaking the original chart

feelsbadman

>>8517481
Would it be ok for you if I remade the guide with a more sleek design?

>>8518762
no, it's MY chart. make your own fucking /lit/fag

>>8518170
>asking the same shit every thread
>gets vex when you get the same replies every thread

>>8518767
kek

I was just being polite you fuckface, I'll do it anyways

>>8518767
>>8518773
eh, you know what, I won't even bother, ranking Dune (literally fan-fiction tier prose) that high, probably means your taste in books is garbage in general

>>8518439
>he comes to sffg for debates
You're just showing your age grandpa, go out with your drinking buddies and argue over shit, don't look for it in our safe space
rrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>8518589
>Gormenghast comes to mind, but mostly because both are modernist works.
>gormenghast
>modernist
Choose one

>>8518780
You can remake mine if you like >>8517223

>>8518790
Too late. The Wolfe anons have made this place tolerable. Maybe you should consider aborting yourself.

>>8518811
I cant promise anything, but if you still have all the covers you used, it would be really appreciated if you could .zip them and share them here

>>8518824
>The Wolfe anons have made this place intolerable
I agree

>>8518770
I did ask about TBP in this thread. The greentext just threw me a little

>>8518362
The Forever War is popular because it's a allegory for what soldiers felt like leaving for a tour of duty in the late 60s and then coming back to find the protest/hippie/civil rights movement fully underway. This article provides a good summary:
http://www.tor.com/2012/01/17/future-shock-the-forever-war-by-joe-haldeman/

>>8518417
>Vietnam politics are especially tedious, because they come along with self-righteous, long-haired, pedestrian protester soapboxing.

Or whinging from the idiots other side of the aisle who think we could have won if we did XYZ but it's all because of the politicians!

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Anyone got a fantasy novel with a decent plot where romance is a medium/heavy theme? Maybe a male human MC falls in love with an elf maiden or another supernatural being. I'm not opposed to female MC either though.

Really, anything with at least a bit of romance that isn't completely terrible. I want to curl up for a few days and forget about my crippling loneliness.

>>8518826
Kek. I didn't have them separate. I just google the books I want, go to image and copy and resize them into the chart. When they have to move, just cut and move elsewhere.

My ocd autism isn't that high enough to have the pics separate.

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>>8518913
Look at female protagonist

>>8518933
Thanks. I don't know if I'm a fan of urban fantasy, since I don't think I've ever read that subgenre.

>>8518920
brah how can you live a filthy life like that

you gotta be organized

>>8518947
I suggest dante Valentine. Female falls for, gets reamed by demon.

I suggest the graphic audio version. Bonerific.

>>8518981
Oh lawd....

Does she fall in love with the demon or is it just brutal rape? Not that I'm against either, mind you.

>>8518801
Gormenghast is the most modernist work in whole sff, what are you talking about?
Or are you an actual cretin?

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>>8518949
My ocd autism extends to other things, organizing just isn't high... nowadays.

I still have have 150+ books to sort, label and put in this folder(pic related), the last time I put something in there was early 2013.

>>8518913
Oh god don't read anything from that chart.
The Wizard Knight is about a boy who falls in love with an elf maiden, but she is someone reached at the end and you won't see too much of her, but Able, the protagonist, will mention and talk about her often.

>>8519006
RIP your life.

My favorite fiction is the Bible.

>>8519009
>Oh god don't read anything from that chart.

W-Why? I've already downloaded a few of them.

>>8519017
If the people who wrote the bible honestly believed in God, does that make it fanfiction?

>>8519009
>but she is someone reached at the end and you won't see too much of her

Also I need a book where the romance is a fairly main theme. Maybe they're travelling together or something. Maybe they're at home hiding secrets from the rest of the world. Maybe they're not physically meant for each other, but spiritually, they're soulmates and it's hard for them to be separated from each other for long. Stuff in that realm.

>>8518998
Can't remember, they were forced to work together. She ends up fucking him.

I read this shit before 2014 bro, read hundreds of books since then.

If you some demigod and special snowflake vaginas, try the immortal series by Jennifer Ashley, robin popp and joy nash.(read this years ago when I was 18.. hormones were raging, sadly my boner lead the way throughout all the books)

Women have some of the best imaginative worlds and magic no doubt, but their vaginas always get in the way and make a great piece of work into shit.

>>8519020
Because it's smut for braindead women.
The rest of the chart is almost entirely.trash fantasy that will be replaced by the same trash fantasy with different titles in 10 years with a few exceptions. It's a minefield of awful novels.

>>8517223
Here's my r8 of A E S T H E T I C C

>Fantasy
The Magic Goes Away, Sabriel, The Way of Kings, The Necromancer, The Darkness that Comes Before

>SF
His Dark Materials, Black Sun Rising, Shadow of the Meme

>>8519033
I don't know titles of that kind in fantasy. Well some of that is there in the Book of the New Sun, but it's bittersweet and not the focus, even if the characters and chemistry are great.
Lady With a Dog, End of the Affair, Anna Karenina and The Resurrection come to mind for romance heavily stories/novels.

>>8519035
Well m-maybe I want smut for braindead women.

(Not really, but I do want something I don't really have to think much about)

>>8518913
Faerie Queen.

Duh.

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>>8519046
I'm out of all of that outside of Spice and Wolfe

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>>8519049
This was a nice watch.

You should watch Usagi Drop. Or read it. The manga ending is quite interesting.

>>8518913
Kushiel's Dart.

LMMB's Vorkosigan series has romance in the Cordelia books IIRC.

>>8518947
Anita Blake is good for the first 8 books, after that point it turns into "Anita Blake and the Mystery of the Werewolf Gangbang."

The Kate Daniels series has been described to me as "The Dresden Files but if Harry was a girl and not a tool" but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.

October Daye has also been recommended to me but IIRC it's "more dectectiving, less romance" so it might not be what you want.

>Anita Blake is good for the first 8 books
>8
>BOOKS
Doubt.

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>>8518999
I bet you read it when it was first published.

How are you even typing? Is your grandson helping you ?

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>>8519055
>Anita Blake and the Mystery of the Werewolf Gangbang

This is almost exactly what I'm looking for.

Is anyone else finding it really hard to read SFF after getting into actual literature?

It just doesn't seem interesting any more. I don't just mean shit like Caiaphas Cain: I can't summon up the will to read Wolfe or the Worm Ouroboros. I just turn back to the comfiness of Don Quixote or the Iliad.

>>8519062
You fucking cretin, modernism is a literary movement. I can't believe this is something not comprehend by some fucktards who post here.

>>8519033
Kek. The oldfarts just recommend books without reading posts properly first. Every, single, time.

I knew you wanted smutty, that is why I suggested the female protagonist. I don't usually suggest them.

>>8519069
>Is anyone else finding it really hard to read SFF after getting into actual literature?
No. There's no difference between actual literature and actual literature in which the story is set in the future.
>It just doesn't seem interesting any more. I don't just mean shit like Caiaphas Cain: I can't summon up the will to read Wolfe or the Worm Ouroboros. I just turn back to the comfiness of Don Quixote or the Iliad.
Whatever floats your boat. But I don't see why people prescribe an arbitrary line between literature and fantasy when it's not there. Especially since epics are something fantasy is largely built upon as a modern interior.

>>8519084
Well I'd /prefer/ male protag, but it doesn't look like I'm going to get this, does it?

>>8519026
Fanfiction needs an established work to build upon. Unless the old testament was around before the "holy bible" then someone wrote the New testament and combined them.. then yes it's fanfiction.

>>8519090
There's no need to be so defensive. I'm not claiming this is an inherently rational reaction or something. It's just that I can't bear to read the kind of stuff I used to like as a kid anymore, and was wondering if any of you have experienced this?

Seriously though, I was just memeing with the "actual literature" thing.

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>>8519020
Conservatives :0
Modernist :1

>>8515950
I really liked most of the trilogy but then it got really weird with like this androgynous gay transexual alien guy being all like "Fitz I wanna touch your penis, it doesn't matter if you've got a penis or a vagina it's all about looovee man". Otherwise pretty cool. Wouldn't read anything by Robin Hobb again though.

>>8519106
I didn't read as a kid really. Maybe 3-4 books every year and very little of it was fantasy.
I do have a different mindset when I'm going into pulp as opposed to Peake, Wolfe, Solzhenitsyn etc.

>>8519112
I'm afraid I don't understand the reference. You see, I don't browse FOUR chan very often. This is the only board on FOUR chan I browse because the /lit/ on the other one is dead.

I've been gone for two years and the memes are so subtlety different.

>>8519127
Literally everything on *chan that isn't /pol/, /v/ or /leftypol/ is dead as fuck.

The fact you can spend lots of time there does not reflect well on you.

>>8519135
/tv/ isn't dead. /a/ isn't dead (but the mods on that board kill it anyway). /tech/ isn't dead. It's still an alright place tbqfh.

>>8519146
How many times have you been arrested for necrophilia?

>>8519151
4

>>8519156
Not me.

>>8519151
>hurr boards that don't get 50 pph aren't worth posting on.

4chan logic

>>8519165
>Not me.
I believe (You).

Posting on a dead board is like getting off to denial. You can post all YOU like, but no one else is ever going to respond to you.

There's no content.

>>8519169
I really just like the layout and the features tbqfh.

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>>8519058
Not that anon, but Anita Blake has 25+ books and rising, I read about 21 of them before I dropped it.

The series is good until obsidian butterfly, then it turns into a porno flick. I think that is book 8? 7?

I kept reading hoping they would get back on track because she hinted it in the blurbs .. but after book 21/22 my autism finally gave up and I dropped it.

Here, have a hilarious review of book 24, one of my favorites. If you ever read the books reading this should start the countdown to your ribs.

>>8519246
I was doubting the quality, not the quantity. I absolutely believe the quantity.

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>>8519033
>tfw I just returned from burning $1 on the third book because I need closure
Female MC. I'd say 60/40 romance/fantasy (I don't really read romance). It has every element you describe in your post.

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What are some good books for cool near-future military hardware?

>>8519246
>tight and wet, tight and wet

KEK
The first and last paragraphs were really funny, other than that, meh. The tight and wet part got me though... fuck can't believe I read that shit.

>>8519093
Male protagonist romance don't work unless they gay.

>>8519313
I respectfully disagree.

>>8519283
Currently reading The Red series by Linda Nagata. First book is about a soldier who gets turned into the first cyborg soldier. Seems pretty decent and is certainly readable.

The Mirrored Heavens/Autumn Rain series by David J. Williams (writer for the Homeworld series) is a very fast paced cyberpunk series with cybersoldiers on drugs and a cloned woman who is actually a insane AI. (I think, it's been a while)

Kill Decision by Daniel Saurez is a kinda eh book about conspiracy to attack the US with drones (how topical) and start WWIII. It's pretty campy but entertaining.

The IX by Andrew Weston isn't near future, it's about some aliens using time travel to kidnap human soldiers to save them from "space demons", but one of the primary characters is a British SBS commando from 15 minutes in the future.

Terms of Enlistment by Marko Kloos is supposed to be good but I haven't read it yet.

Stark's War by John G. Hemry (aka Jack Campbell) is about Earth invading the Moon, but the invasion fails and the soldiers mutiny.

Likewise for:
StarFist series by David Sherman and Dan Cragg.
Most of Ian Douglas' stuff.

>>8519127
There is some feud between old and new sff readers. The old want more people to read their shit, and the new want the same shit.

They fighting each other every thread.

Apparently the new just scored a point.

>>8519250
Like I said, they turn to shit around obsidian butterfly.

What /sff/ book were you expecting to be dreadful, but surprised you the most?

What /sff/ book let you down the most?

Mine are Dune Mesiah and The Silmarillion, respectively

>>8519417
Neuromancer

Count Zero.

>>8519320
Then what you looking for in male protag romance? Give a few points and I might have something for you.

Also try black jewel trilogy for some fucked up romances.

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>>8519417
>What /sff/ book were you expecting to be dreadful, but surprised you the most?

Red rising, though it would have been some hunger games finger waving shit. I was surprisingly surprised.

>What /sff/ book let you down the most?
For this year? Probably the red knight series, fuck that anon. I was promised GRI and I got a moralistic captain who was practicing his gentry with a head nun, instead of stirring her mature pussy to a froth.

I just started reading Shadow Puppets after finishing Shadow of the Hegemon, and why the fuck does Peter fucking save Achilles? I don't actually want to be spoiled, I just want to know if it'll make sense later because right now it seems like the stupidest plot twist.

These /sff/ have been going downhill for the past couple of months.

>>8519616
Conservatives :1
Modernist :0

>>8519486
I feel like after the first red knight novel the author decided to drop and change plot points.
>]DeVrailly and the queen don't fuck but instead become mortal enemies[/spoiler
>King becomes a beta pussy
>Red knight and Nun bitch pussy foot around for 2 novels and they decide not to fuck
>Empress hotter than the fucking nun wants his dick but he's like eww no she's too smart and devious for him.
>He decides to fuck a 7/10 washmaiden
I mean I like the series but damn dude

>>8519669
Forgot
>girl gets powers from the head evil dude for revenge against the not-french king for almost raping her...to never appear again

>>8519006
>150
I'm sitting 25k+ books brah

get on my level

>>8519680
Hi bookbox anon. Sort your shit out yet? Did you download a large library.. or are you the anon that bought an entire bookstore that was going out of business?

Also I read 150+ books since 2013, i have to sort them out to store, not to read.

>>8519417
>What /sff/ book were you expecting to be dreadful, but surprised you the most?
A Wizard of Earthsea
>What /sff/ book let you down the most?
Shadow of the Torturer

>>8518209
>>8518289
i talk on a regular basis to both practicing and ex-mathematicians who themselves are friends with people like bhargava, shimura, lang (before he died, yau (before he died), etc.

i guarantee i know more math than egan *and* know more about math culture than egan.

>Are you a fedora NEET with no understanding of things on the than facile opinions on /sci/? Who exactly doesn't study maths again?
the point is more that nobody fucking cares about foundations aside from the aesthetically destitute losers who work in mathematical logic

his writing is shit, get over it, you just like it because he namedrops technical terms better than most

>>8519742
>I talk with mathematicians who know famous mathematicians
>obviously I know more than somebody who studied and taught mathematics
How do you even get this far up your own asshole?

>>8519616
>no more Sanderson shitposters
>no more bakker posters
>dinoposter posts less and people mostly ignore him
>chart shitposter posts less and it's still mostly about his sensitive anus

I didn't post in a month and it's much better now.
>>8519417
>What /sff/ book were you expecting to be dreadful, but surprised you the most?
I expected The Golden Age to be significantly worse than it actually was.
>What /sff/ book let you down the most?
The Red Knight (it was advertised as sword and sorcery, but it was just an edgy grrum clone), First Law, because I had hoped it'd be fun, but instead it was dull and shitty.

>>8519753
or maybe that implies that i both studied math and know it better than someone with a bachelor's from a shitty no-name university

the typical 90th percentile math major at hypsm is pretty bad -- i can't imagine what a disaster it must be like at the 'university of western australia'

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Just arrived in the mail. Im excited. Chalker is an old favorite of mine.

>>8519729
He probably downloaded them, because
>anon that bought an entire bookstore that was going out of business?
is likely referring to me. I only bought the important section though (SFF). Still building walls for my library.

>>8519742
LOL FUCKING PSEUD

YOU ADMITTED YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS SECOND HAND, JUST KYS

>>8519826
are you incapable of reading comprehension? i suggest re-reading my post, closely

i studied math at harvard, dumbass -- both ugrad and grad -- but anyone with even a little bit of critical thinking ability and awareness would realize that "knowing top mathematicians" is a much stronger signal of competence than "having a degree from X university"

>>8519883
>I studied entry level math while getting my liberal arts degree at Harvard
Nobody cares you fucking pseud.

Nobody gives a shit where you faggots studied math. The sites fucking anonymous bleeding act like it

Also is the rest of Watts stuff other than Blindsight worth reading?

>>8520091
Starfish is good, almost as good as Blindsight. Maelstrom is okay but not bad. Behemoth is pretty bad, only read it if you were seriously wowed by Maelstrom.

Echopraxia was good, but not as mindblowing as Blindsight, and pretty incomprehensible at times.

His Sunflower Cycle short stories are great, as is The Things. Colonel was pretty boring, but its set in the blindsight universe. Thats all I've read of his.

>>8519883
>i studied math at harvard, dumbass -- both ugrad and grad

t. I am widely educated about le higher edumacation -- Pseudy McPseud

>>8519807
nice brah
photos soon?

>>8519729
downloaded that shit after the largest ebook repositary for pirated german ebooks dumped them on torrent
god bless that guy

>>8519729
>>8520202
oh and and to answer your question: kinda. They are on calibre, but only the good books are sorted and labeled after my liking

>>8520202
>photos soon?
I've been considering it.

>>8520233
nice

I'm looking forward to it

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Please help.
I've already checked the book sites in the sticky.

Looking for a pdf of A Voyage to Arcturus. The ones on those sites start with chapter 2 in the middle of the books and wrap around. They're unreadable. Where else could I look (If you don't find a link)

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>currently reading
>currently enjoying

Why did it take so long?

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>>8520267
I love me some Bradbury Martian shit

>>8519006
>>8518920
>>8518811
here ya go, first version

had to compress that shit because of the 4mb limit on 4ch

>>8520233
Hehe yes! We could use some action round here

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This was good. Hard-bitten traders of alien relics from a forbidden zone on Earth. Sometimes it reads like a mob story; rapacious smugglers and money men, their run-ins with informers and police, the bleak urban locales. The sci-fi aspect contains some philosophy. It feels too short but that could be a compliment.

>>8520248
http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/?s=voyage+arcturus&f_lang=All&f_columns=0&f_ext=All

Try this

>>8520353
have you read the doomed city? i almost bought it the other day but chickened out. but i am going to get roadside picnic based on what you said. sounds cool.

Any recommendations for novels with monster girls?

>>8520423
No, Roadside Picnic is the only thing I've read from them, but I liked it enough that I want to read more. It's a change of tone from the largely American SF I read.

>>8520423
roadside picnic is pretty fucking alrite

>>8520439
strugatzki bros have some fine stuff out there

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This was so good. I wish he hadn't kept writing novels in the series though because the end of the first trilogy was goddamn perfect.

also,

>you will never have an all powerful virginal evil sorceress waifu

>>8520360
That did it!
Thank you. I'll try and remember to put the authors name instead next time

>>8520455
It was cringy garbage.

>>8520468
>cringy

What are you even talking about?

>>8520430
manga

>>8520470
>all powerful virginal evil sorceress waifu

>>8520542
Did you even read it?

>Can figure out 99% of the plot twists in Way of Kings by the time middle of part 2
>People still read the whole thing

>>8520542
r u a gril

>>8520542
>>8520470
The "waifu" shit is literally only like .01% of the book.

>>8520542
>>8520557
>virginal

Obviously not. He's a pseud who doesn't read. Probably an /r9k/ troll. Ignore him.

>>8519033
The Night Land fits the bill, although most readers can't get past the obtuse prose.

>Once, a man had a beautiful young wife. She died, and he dreamed that they would meet again at the end of time, after the Sun had stopped shining.

>>8520430
Jack Chalker, the Quintara Marathon trilogy. I'm not even >>8519786, I had to look up the author's name. There's a... was she a satyr-girl? Some sort of goat-girl who's vulnerable and needs protected. And probably sexy aliens too, I don't remember very well.

>>8520603
Night Land and House on the Borderlands both have lost love as central themes, but they're not really ABOUT the romance. Really neat romance in them, though.

Have you read John C. Wright's Night Land short stories? They're just about perfect.

>>8520703
Wright's Night Land collection is indeed god-tier.

It's totally different than the Night Land stuff but his City Beyond Time time travel stories are criminally underappreciated, and they even show a marked technical improvement in the writing imo (from which he unfortunately has backslid a bit recently).

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>>8520759
>>8520703
pretend I put the "I got super high and thought the holy trinity was telling me to convert from atheism" and "if Vulcans had a religion it would be one that abuses it's powers and cover up child molestation" copypasta here.

>>8520865
>Delaney
>Clarke
>Bujold

>>8520950
What extracurriculars was Bujold engaged in? Hadn't heard about her.

>>8520994
Was it her? Some three-name woman covered up for her husband molesting kids at conventions.

Bradley! Sorry, Marion Zimmer Bradley.

>>8518548
Last Dragon by JM McDermott reminded me of TBotNS

>>8521007
That was, hard to read...
https://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post

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Only a few chapters into this book I'm totally hooked, but I can't stand some of the weird imagery and bizarre name choices the author uses

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>>8521230
But the weird imagery is the best part.

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Fucking loved this book, although the next two in the series had diminishing returns.

>>8521230
just wait till the author fails to bring everything to a satisfactory conclusion and book 2 leaves you going "wat"

What author tells stories like Dark Souls

Please

>>8521469
Gene Wolfe of course.

>>8520319
Not bad, let the old dreams die.... not as much gri as let the right one in. Others might like it now, I just want more people reading. Fuck all the elitist shit.

Reading more into stuff surrounding the hugos and the politics a lot of sff writers are involved in is depressing, I think I'll stick to things that focus on magical sword fights.

>>8520423
>chartanon suggesting roadside picnic for months
>no one reads
>tripfag puts his stamp of approval on it
>anonfags jumping to get a copy

Now this just shows it's a meme to hate chartanon, because the same books I recommending for months people are reading only when others say it's nice.

Where is the house of blades anon shill? This thing is literal anime.

Naruto makes a deal with Pegasus, so he can use the millennium eye to access power from the shadow realm, while using his sage mode powers given to him by brook from one piece, to weld a 7 foot long sword.

He then has a desu desu rozen maiden doll (about 70 of them) who talk to him and give him advice.

WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK

>>8519883
Ohh goddd....let me go brush my teeth to get this bad taste out of my mouth.

Also please refrain from posting ever again.

So I finished The Great Ordeal.

Is Kellhus the No God?

>>8521549
Roadside Picnic has been on the OP charts, and recommended by anons, since long before chartanon started having hissy fits in this general.

>>8515534
wtf is that pic lol

>>8521652
It's the future.
>>8521549
Roadside picnic has been recommended by /lit/ for years. It's your fault you placed it in a pile of shit.

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>>8521688
>Roadside Picnic

>When you look at it, it looks like any other piece of land. The sun shines on it like on any other part of the earth. And it’s as though nothing had particularly changed in it. Like everything was the way it was thirty years ago. My father, rest his soul, could look at it and not notice anything out of place at all. Except maybe he’d ask why the plant’s smokestack was still. Was there a strike or something

What do we have here, a book version of the Darker than Black anime weirdness?

>>8520565
I didn't realize Jasnah's soulcaster was fake until it was revealed

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>Nothing like that exists in the Zone and there is no need to fear things like that in the Zone. And anyway, to tell the truth, people drop like flies in the special suits too. It’s another matter that maybe many many more would die without the suits. The suits are 100 percent protection against the burning fluff, for example, and against the spitting devil’s cabbage... all right.

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>The village stretched along the western edge of the city. There once had been summer houses, gardens, orchards, and the summer villas of the city fathers and plant directors. Green, pleasant places with small lakes and clean sandy beaches,
translucent birch groves, and ponds stocked with carp. The stink and pollution from the plant never reached this verdant glade -- nor did the city plumbing system. But now everything here was abandoned and they passed only one inhabited house -- the window shone yellow through the drawn blinds, the wash on the line was wet from the rain, and a huge dog rushed out at them furiously and chased the car through the mud thrown up by the wheels.

>>8521634
Of course he is. I realized it when Bakker said that the name of his planned third book series is a huge spoiler. See the patter?
The Prince of Nothing -> The Aspect-Emperor -> The No-God

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The hypothesis of God, for instance, gives an incomparably absolute opportunity to understand everything and know absolutely nothing. Give man an extremely simplified system of the world and explain every phenomenon away on the basis of that system. An approach like that doesn’t require any knowledg memorized formulas pins so-called intuition and so-called common sense."

"Hold on," Noonan said. He finished his beer and set the mug noisily on the table. "Don’t get off the track. Let’s get back to the subject on hand. Man meets an extraterrestrial creature. How do they find out that they are both rational creatures?"

"I haven’t the slightest idea," Valentine said with great pleasure.

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"Here’s another one. The Visitation has taken place, but it is not over by a long shot. We are in contact even as we speak, but we are not aware of it. The visitors are living in the Zones and carefully observing us and simultaneously preparing us for the ’cruel wonders of the future.’ "

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"Everyone who spends enough time with the Zone undergoes changes, both of phenotype and genotype. You know what kind of children stalkers can have and you know what happens to the stalkers themselves. Why? Where is the mutation factor? There is no radiation in the Zone. While the air and soil in the Zone have their own specific chemical structure, they pose no mutation dangers at all."

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"Hello, Maria," he said, trying to be as gentle as possible. "How are you, Monkey?"

She did not reply. Silently and soundlessly she backed away from the door into the living room, looking at him from under her eyebrows. It looked as though she did not recognize him. To tell the truth, he couldn’t recognize her either. It’s the Zone, he thought. Damn.

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Suddenly he had a horrible thought: it was an invasion. Not a roadside picnic, not a prelude to contact. It was an invasion. They can’t change us, so they get into the bodies of our children and change them in their own image.

He felt a chill, but then he remembered that he had read something like that in a paperback with a lurid cover, and he felt better. You can imagine anything at all.

And real life is never what you imagine.

"And one of them said that she’s no longer human."

"Nonsense," Noonan said hollowly. "You should go to a real specialist. Go see James Cutterfield. Do you want me to talk to him? I’ll arrange an appointment.

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What have you heard about the Golden Ball?" Mr. Lemchen suddenly asked.

God, what does the Golden Ball have to do with all this, Noonan thought in irritation. I wish you and your indirect manner would go to hell.

"The Golden Ball is a legend," he reported in a dull voice. "A mythical artifact located in the Zone in the shape and form of a gold ball that grants human wishes."
"Any wishes?"
"According to the canonic version of the legend, any wish. There are, however, variant versions."

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And, as was to be expected, there was nothing else to be seen on the road, except for the black twisted stalactites that looked like fat candles hanging from the jagged edges of the slope, and a multitude of black splotches in the dust, as though someone had spilled bitumen.

That was all that was left of them, it was even impossible to tell how many there had been. Maybe each splotch represented a person, or one of Buzzard’s wishes. That one there was Buzzard coming back alive and unharmed from the basement of Complex #7. That bigger one over there was Buzzard getting the wriggling magnet out of the Zone unscathed. And that icicle was the luxurious Dina Burbridge, who resembled neither her mother nor her father. And that spot there was Arthur Burbridge, unlike his father and mother, Artie, the handsome son, their pride and joy.

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He sat there, covering his eyes with his hands, and he was trying -- not to understand, not to think, but merely to see something of how things should be, but all he saw were the faces, faces, faces, and more faces... and greenbacks, bottles, bundles of rags that were once people, and columns of figures.

What the fuck are you doing? Stop

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You take from me what it is I want... it just can’t be that I would want something bad! Damn it all, I can’t think of anything, except those words of his... ’HAPPINESS FOR EVERYBODY, FREE, AND NO ONE WILL GO AWAY UNSATISFIED!’

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Roadside Picnic is a good book.

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>>8521772
>you will never be able to story time a book with 126 pages

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>there will never be enough posters on /lit/ such that posting every page of a book on one thread would spontaneously attract 90 new posters all simultaneously discussing that one book
Despair.

>>8521726
holy fugg DDDD:

earwa is fucked

>>8517831
Sounds like the shannara chronicles

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So I just read the chapter of Name of the Wind where the entire troupe was murdered by the Chandrian, there's no way Abenthy wasn't involved in this right? It's way too obvious he may have had a part to set Kvothe off on his path to the university but again seems entirely suspicious how they weere speaking about Chandrian right before he left then one just magically pops up out of no where.

>>8522432
You'll never know because it's 1500 pages of drivel that doesn't go anywhere.

>>8521793
Make a thread and do it faggot, don't fill up our general with spam... now the mods will have to get your ass.

Wanted to get back into reading so I went to a few local thrifts and got all of these :

Enders Game
Speaker Of The Dead
The Disspossed
Hyperion
American Gods
Prelude to Foundation
Foundation and empire
Second Foundation
Tales Of Known Space
Oath of Fealty
Footfall
Dreamsnake
Red Mars
Lucifers Hammer
Cryptonomicon

How'd I do?

>>8522677
all shit except hyperion

>>8522677
You did good, but you missed "Foundation". That and "Foundation and Empire" and "Second Foundation" constitute the original trilogy. "Prelude to Foundation" is a prequel.

>>8522677
all good except hyperion

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>>8521538
>>8520319
honestly cant be bothered to further edit this shit

>>8522677
Mostly bad or mediocre, exceptions being Hyperion and The Dispossessed.
>>8522889
And it's still fucking awful.

>>8522889
IMO these charts need some indication of content - just a couple of words to describe tone and plot, perhaps superimposed.

Also whoever makes the new thread, make sure to link the old one.

>>8522923
>And it's still fucking awful.
Cant comment on the content of the chart, I just changed the design to be a bit less eye cancer

>>8522943
the old one didnt have any comments in it, so the new one doesnt either. As I said, I dont want to fiddle with the content, because I've had bad experiences (especially with one general at /vg/) with altering content on the charts I've redone.

More than happy to add content if it comes from someone else tho