Anyone else a big fan of Dostoyevsky despite being deeply unimpressed

>>8461503

well, he's a writer, not a philosopher. I see no problem with your opinion.

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I'm halfway through The Brothers Karamazov.

Could it possibly be the undisputed GOATest novel of all time?

>>8461517
It could, were it not for the
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SUPREME™
INFINTE™
JEST™

>>8461517
i read it, i dont know why people think its the Greatest of All time. It was certainly good, but the greatest?

>>8461503
Isn't that everybody who's a fan of Dost?

>>8461503
I do not have to agree with a character to empathize with them, nor do I need to agree with an author's views in order to admire the way they are expressed. Tolerance of other viewpoints is a prerequisite to meaningful discourse, so I would hope the rest of /lit/ is the same way.
Regarding Dostoyevsky, I'm an atheist, but the picture of redemption and surrender painted in Crime and Punishment is beautiful. It's one of my favorite books.

>>8461577

What I'm getting at is the centrality of his religious arguments to the novel's themselves. I loved Crime and Punishment, but I found his deeply flawed arguments towards religion to be very flawed.

It isn't that I need to agree with the author or the characters, it's more that the central premise of his books fall apart under careful consideration which is troublesome since the books exist to put forward his religious thoughts. It's strange that the books remain as good as they are despite that.

>>8461577
>I do not have to agree with a character to empathize with them, nor do I need to agree with an author's views in order to admire the way they are expressed.
the books are written and structured to convert the reader to orthodoxy, atleast Karamsov and Crime and Punishment are
Dosto himself is the painfully intolerant one
once you decide that you don't want to become orthodox or christian when reading his books they lose a lot

>>8461701
!!!

It's an idiot! Where's my pokeball? This one's a rare one!

>>8461743
go back to your pokemens game, this is a literature board

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>>8461747
He's resisting! Pikachu, use thunderbolt!

>>8461743
>>8461759

How about instead of just hurling insults at him, you explain what's wrong with what he's saying, thus facilitating the purpose of literary discussion?

Karamazov converted me to Christianity. I felt that it gave me a deeper understanding of religion as not just worshipping a sky man, but as a necessary force for maintaining an objective and common moral code between people.

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>>8461503
When I read C&P I walked away from it thinking how it was an excellent exposition on the poverty of the human spirit, the weakness of man that is so fundamental it causes him to seek god as a would be slave. Your question is a rather stupid one, OP. I'd like it to how everyone should read the Bible, it being so central and seminal in western society, despite the fact only cucks believe in the big invisible man in the sky.

>>8461503
>Dostoevsky fan
>deeply unimpressed by his theology
You should be embarrassed. All memes aside, I know this board (and most of 4chan too) is filled with fedora wearing, katana wielding, relativist nihilists who exaggerate the scientific method and put it above all else, but it's still a sad sight to see posts like these.
>inb4 le non-atheists on 4chan are le meme from le /pol/ because le contrarians

>>8462230
>I know this board (and most of 4chan too) is filled with fedora wearing, katana wielding, relativist nihilists who exaggerate the scientific method and put it above all else
but you yourself are this, just in different form
/lit/ is actually largely negative about the "new atheists" and if you get this upset because of something as meek aas "being deeply unimpressed by his theology" then you are honestly just a disgusting manchild

>>8462257
Spotted the nihilicuck

>>8462228

God I wish I could toss those gooks in with the lions and watch the carnage.

>>8462230

Just because one isn't compelled to believe mythology doesn't mean that one is some stereotype dreamed up by 4channers.

>>8462228
>Chinese
>human

Pick one.

I've oft read that he's an emblem for empathy towards the poor, but every book of his I've attempted to read opens with affluent masturbation.

Is it true what they say or will I stick to Gogol? Gogol is better at any rate, mind you.

>>8461503
Absolutely. I thought it was challenge indifference towards religion but it was laughably unimpressive. What if the church == socialism.

I was also seriously deflated reading the Grand Inquisitor scene in Brothers Karamazov.

The love triangle with Ivan, Dmitri and Katerina and Grushenka. You can really feel the depth of feeling in the characters, even though the writing feels clumsy.

The feelings of transedence and all the passionate shit is great. Didnt fully understand a lot of what he goes on about to be honest.

>>8462299
overmen*

sorry

>>8463241
More of a love square, innit?

How may I write so as to appear as if I completely miss the point of Dostoevsky's writing?

>>8461503
Do you mean the religious aspect of his great works? If so you are missing the entire point of the books.

If you're commenting with theological pretentions you should know he has influenced the most prominent 20c theologians Barth, de Lubac, Balthasar etc

He knew all that Nietzsche knew but actually lived it, experienced the death of god, and his answer to it is far more impressive.

>>8463320

Browse /lit/ and read people's posts where they criticize him. Emulate those people

>>8463321
This is a very interesting post, I've always been very inclined to believe that Dostoyevsky personally underwent the same moral/intellectual crisis Nietzsche did, understood his ideas in-and-out before he did, and ultimately refuted them anyway.

They are really remarkably similar to each other in thought, this is the most evident in Crime and Punishment.

>>8461503

I can never shake the feeling that he didn't believe, so much as he wanted to believe. That he had come to the conclusion that you could not reason your way out of the fundamental issues people grapple with, you needed something beyond yourself. I may just be falling into the mistake of identifying him too closely with "The Underground Man". It may just be he was just that good, and psychologically perceptive that he could create these portraits of people with no faith, grappling with themselves. Still.

>>8461517

There bad novels, good novels, and there are great novels, and any distinction beyond that is borne out of an instinctive need for hierarchy.