So, I'm reading the Brothers Karamozov and I am not too

>>8404351
Dostoevsky really likes to flesh out his characters so yeah the first 50 to 100 pages are often a drag, but translators for some reason don't translate to help this. Like for some reason they all fuck aroind with his quite snappy paragraphing and you end up with massive blocks of text.

>>8404351
The P&V translation could be the problem. Try the free Constance Garnett one.

What part are you at?

>>8404378

Pg. 150 in the P&V translation.

>>8404384
It's about to get good, books 5-7 & 9 are the most important in the book.
So far you only have some lead up to get to know the characters and their relationships.

>>8404392

Alright. I won't give up on it. But man, it's kinda frustrating that Brothers is considered by so many to be his masterpiece when it's taking so long to set up, while Crime and Punishment did its characterization as it went along, as opposed to Dostoyevsky is doing here.

>>8404374
I hear nothing but bad things about the Garnett TL all the time though.

>>8404404
C&P didn't have as complicated of a plot or themes, and there was really only one main character.

>>8404351
P&V?

Not for me!

>>8404443

It's weird to me that P&V get so much hate since they were recommended, by name, by my Russian lit professor. Went on and on about them and the quality of their translation.

>>8404351
Anyone who translated it as the brothers karamazov instead of the karamazov brothers is an idiot.

>>8404456

>You bought one of those shitty editions.

>>8404456
That's how it is in the Russian. It changes the meaning if you stick the Karamazov before the brothers, because having it at the end emphasizes that it's that specific family and not the concept of brotherhood
It also just sounds better

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>>8404351
>Not getting this edition.

>>8404503
That is the only way to say it in Russian.
Having it the other way would be as dumb as saying the brothers Warner.
Dostoevsky didn't make it unnatural sounding, that's just the Russian word order.

>>8404526
You could say it the other way in Russian if you wanted to, it wouldn't be incorrect. Are you actually Russian and know this because I was under the impression they're very flexible with their word order
also
>the brothers Grimm

It wasnt hard, just fucking boring.

Which translation of C&P did you read?

>>8404565
Not enough love scenes or action or fantasy scenarios for you?

Just stick it out opie

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>>8404594

The McDuff translation.

>>8404603
XD I am also one of the 4chan posters that is best and reads good the sheep don't read IJ and FW

(Spoiler) like u I have not read Even Ulysses or GR but make sure to know the names of the good ones so to look smart on 4chan our little secret cuz we know we're elite already (/spoiled)

>>8404624
Then the translation might be genuinely unappealing to you, which is always something to consider. P&V are my go to, but everyone has their preferences. It seems like you were complaining more about all the early exposition though so if that's the problem then just stick it out.

>>8404449
thats because lit doesnt know shit

>>8404631

That's it exactly. I like the characters, I'm invested in the plot, but the unnatural and constant exposition dumps drag everything down. I'll stick to it, though, especially as it's been said in this thread that I'm just about at the turning point.

At least there aren't two different characters with the exact same name in this one.

>>8404626
>he thinks most of /lit/ hasn't already read GR or Ulysses
kek
stay pleb, buddy

>>8404374
>being this hipster
Aside from one article, there is literally nobody who speaks both languages that says P&V is shit, let alone inferior to Garnett. I took a Russian class taught by a Russian prof and his immigrant TA and they both agreed that side by side with the Russian P&V is best.

>>8404449
/lit/ is just buttmad that P&V are popular. A few years ago people here were recommending the translations.

>>8404691

Why is 4chan so hipster?

Remember that at its core it's just a crime drama.

>>8404703
>he doesn't understand the plot/theme dynamic

>>8404703

Yeah, and Lear is just about a familial disagreement and Othello is just about a jealous husband.

>>8404503
Super Brothers Mario

>>8404541
Yes I am Russian. You can technically say it either way but the way Dostoevsky has it is the far more naturally used way. Just like in English the naturally used way is the karamazov brothers.
It's just nitpicking though, as you could argue that the title should be changed as little as possible because it's a proper noun.

>>8404691
>>8404701

people on /lit/ still recommend their translations today, just like people in the past shit on their translations. stop pretending that /lit/ is a hive mind.

>Reading anything but the Avsey translation