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>>8316771
ugh what a shitty genre

Any other books except BotNS in which people refer to space rockets as towers or in which obvious space vessels are considered normal buildings?

>>8316771

>>Sci-Fi
>No Lord of Light

Dude c'mon. You put Zelazny's Amber Cronicles in your fantasy list but miss his best sci-fi?

>>8316787
There's a bunch of fantasy that's actually post-apoc which follows those lines

>>8316787

Shannara, WoT, Dying Earth.

>>8316809

wow she's brave! what's making her paint up there on that high cliff! i get goose pimples just looking at that! gee! i hope someone gets that young beautiful girl down safely, she can really hurt herself!

>>8316835
WoT as in Wheel of Time?
I heard good things about it but also that it's fucking long as fuck, like a billion books each a billion words per chapter and a billion chapters.

>>8316659
Achamian has like three times the PoV chapters that Kellhus does

Recommend me a book whose main characters are not self-loathing or self-regreting or self-doubting asshats.

>>8316849
The Kingkiller Chronicles.

>>8316863
Are you fucking kidding me m8?

> be me, kvothe
> fey goddess takes my virginity
> be most powerful mage
> know ninja techniques
> always unhappy because woman

NEXT

>>8316845

All true my man.

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http://pastebin.com/raw/QSfK3pFq
Part 3 of the "Ring of Light" quintet. I'll continue to post a part per thread until the story is over. 2 more parts left.
This part is my personal favourite because not only it has the best prose I've written, it also has the toughest piece of dialogue I've ever written, and I'm extremely fond of the philosophy and revelations in this chapter.
Enjoy.

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>>8316771
Are there any fantasy novels featuring extreme size difference between characters where the larger party is conventionally attractive / not really fucking ugly?

I'm asking purely for analytical purposes.

>>8316771
You fucked up, sffg suppose to be in subject field not name field.

>>8316780
This may be more to your liking >>8311571

>>8316845
14 books, all of them door-stopper thick. Extremely comfy series though. Always go back to it like comfort food.

>>8316919
What do you mean by extreme? Like tiny fairy sized with normal person? Normal person with giant? Or more realistic?

>>8316863
The entire premise of the series is that Kvothe is wallowing in self pity and regret as he recounts his life to a biographer.

>>8317018

The entire premise is that it's Rothfuss trying to self insert into a power fantasy while he was a complete loser when he was a teenager

>>8316849
bumping because i'm not seeing any results guyzzz

>>8316849

Malazan

>>8317036
read it (fucking great)
other plz

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>you'll probably never know if that one anon read Arc of the Dream

>>8316877

>mfw this desu

That shit ruins the book for me

I like his Mary Sueness but muh woman

>>8316919
This happens a lot in Wolfe works. For instance, the Undines of book of the new sun.

I want a book that gives me imagery like this

http://imgur.com/gallery/0naPi

inb4 reddit

>>8317195
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3090465-the-twilight-saga

SciFi is objectively plebeian. How can you read this dross?

>>8317209

Why is it plebeian?

>>8317195
Just read Wayne Barlowe's stuff

*Burns Brass*
Back the fuck off!?!?

>>8316787
Not necessarily space stuff, but Riddley Walker is about an iron-age level society living thousands of years in the future in the area around Canterbury after a devastating nuclear war. Much of the book is about how they misinterpret the remains 20th/21st century technology and culture. And there are some pretty strong hints that mankind may have achieved interstellar travel before the shit went down.

>>8316845
Be prepared for thousands of pages of women bitching about men and viva versa.

>>8317448
[braid tugging intensifies]

>>8317461
*smooths skirt*

>>8317487
*...then parts skirt, for riding*

>>8317636
Just don't read it.

>>8317636
Know how lotr has a lot of walking

WoT is only walking

>>8316849
Red Rising.

>>8317891
Darrow is constantly whining about
>muh Eo

>>8317897
He doesn't whine when he kills, and if he does it's internal.

>>8316849
Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson.
Just your regular redneck in space.

>>8317897
That's gone by the end of the first book, I'd say more but I don't want to spoil, we all know people click spoiler tags no matter what

Currently reading I, Robot for the first time after not touching an Asimov book for about 5 years. This is dank.

Bought The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress today, what can I expect?

>>8317970
Sexy space libertarianism.

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>>8317978
Sounds like fun!

I've had this elaborate fantasy setting in my head for years and desperately want to turn it into something that can be published but I haven't even finished a short story in months. Most of the things I have finished aren't even that

Adderal doesn't work. Believe me I've tried

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>>8317988
I want to try adderal so I can finally try and sit down and work on something. My problem is jumping between too many projects and ideas that seem genuinely solid.

I keep telling myself the scope of some of the stories is too much for a first-timer, or that the idea isn't good enough to be my "debut" piece, or I just look at other works and feel as if there isn't enough soul put into my own piece compared to those that have come before.

I doubt I'll ever be good enough.

>>8318048
why dont you try it pussy

>>8317988
>>8318048
just write it you idiots, protip, ITS GOING TO BE SHIT

thats why editing exists. keep fucking working. Treat everything as an exercise, dont ever jerk yourself off about some "magnum opus", its the audience that decides those things

>>8318052
>protip, ITS GOING TO BE SHIT

not if you're actually talented

>>8318055
Talent is just raw material, its worthless if you don't hone it.

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>>8317988
You've already made an outline right?

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>>8318061
Post 'em, lads.

>>8318061
>copying meme countries

Halfway through The Final Empire. My fall is complete. I've surrendered to the mindbreak. I am a full blown Sanderson-fag now.

>>8318087
>beetle fortresses
Good to know

>>8318061
One of my outlines actually turned into my best draft of the first chapter, but then realized I feel crappy when I write modern pop culture references, so I changed it to a 1920s setting and now I don't even have an outline anymore, just characters and a setting

>>8318052
It's hard to write when you don't know what to fucking write in the first place.

>>8318169
Write anything, hell dish some bullshit in this thread right now to see what you can do.

>>8318169
Dude
high fantasy school shooting

>>8318202
haha oh shit

>>8318202
Something like that is actually plausible in my half assed setting

>>8318055
Dude there's loads of well regarded authors who famously threw out most of what they wrote

>>8316809
I love how witty shallan is.

>it's a would be writers moping about thread
every single day in a different /lit/ thread every time

>>8316771
Recommend more Neckbeard power fantasy like The Name of the Wind

>>8316851
was bakker cucked? Where does his power come from?

>>8318265
Dawn of Wonder, Blood Song, Emperor's Blades

All have the same gimmick of protagonist being the very best

>>8316849
The Eyes of the Overworld.

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>>8316995
This. There are plenty of tropes to be found in WoT, but there are also some of the greatest moments in all of fantasy throughout the series. It's also extremely comfy because you get to know all of the characters so well (even the shitty ones). Even when the plot drags, Jordan still focuses primarily on the main characters, which is more than the fat sellout GRRM can say. All in all, it's like pic related of the fantasy genre if you're willing to stick with it. Not a lot of inherent value necessarily, but shamelessly satisfying none the less.

>>8316904
m8 just PDF the whole thing and put it on a dropbox

>>8318106
Nothing wrong with enjoying a poorly written action-adventure series once in a while, famalam.

>>8318055
Luck and determination >>>>> talent.

Assuming you don't have insider connections, which obviously make all three of those things irrelevant.

>>8318509
Thanks to self publishing luck isnt that big of a deal now

All you have to do now is not be a fucking poser and actually finish something, then market adequately

>>8318510
Hence the determination part. If you're persistent you will achieve some amount of success. If you're lucky, that success will be very profitable. I'd rather be lucky with a single manuscript subscription than be hailed as the greatest modern talent in fiction.

>>8318519
>I'd rather be lucky with a single manuscript subscription than be hailed as the greatest modern talent in fiction.

Not sure I follow, people who recieve those accolades are usually well-off due to sales.

>>8317970
SJW tumblr propaganda where the free-love mixed-race mooninites nuke the evil racist Americans.

But seriously, it's a good book. A classic of the period when it was published and is one of Heinlein's top books.

>>8316904
Wew anon, its actually very good, surprisingly so. I like the quality of the dialogue and the twist at the end. Ive been reading since you first posted and Im really interested to see how it all ends and now that I got to know the protag Im really curious to see how hell solve his problems.
whats with the broomsticks fetish?

>>8316771
Having read all of the Dresden files, Storm front should be changed from Mystery to modern....

>>8316849
I need a fantasy novel that just has a nice white knight protagonist whose only angst is how he can be even more white knight.

Bonus points if he's literally a white knight.

>>8318202
Elf Elliot Rodger
>I'm beautiful, immortal, highly skilled, classy, basically a god to the disgusting mortals. Yet all the elf females of this school refuse to acknowledge my superiority, instead cavorting around with human beings and even filthy dwarves.

This idea is toooo fucking good

>>8318966
The Wizard Knight by gene wolfe

>>8318966
>Bonus points if he's literally a white knight.

racist

>>8318868
He's still a detective, most urban fantasy the person is some private investigator or something.
Felix castor, anita blake, rachel morgan, downside, etc, etc. The meet up with a problem and solve it, the whole point of a mystery.
Although I would like stuff more in the vain of iron druid, just go about fucking shit up in a city.

Kellhus in an urban setting cucking the mayor and president when?


Anyone notice Sanderson is the new Tolkien? People are copying him like they used to lord of the rings. Powder mage, now Anthony Ryan's new book about dragon blood is a rip off of Sanderson's structured magic system. Anyways hope we get more brethren in our ranks. Welcome brother >>8318106

>>8318202

I am so gonna write this.

Can I share it here when I'm done? Should i go at it seriously or chuck it full of sffg memes? Your pick.

>>8318978
How is having a structured magic system copying Sanderson? They've been here from Vance to D&D to RPGs

>>8318982
GRI, cucking, dark souls reference, throw in some cute little girls, some traps, a little bit pro sjw, and anti sjw, some structured magic systems, some "i ain't got to explain, it's magic".

Fill it to the brim anon, all the way up. Hell throw in some braid tugging for extra effect.

I have this strange notion that the true Tolkenian writers aren't those that shamelessly ape him, but people like Swanwick that create a whole new world of their own from the ground up.

Because that's what Tolkien did.

>>8318248
I mean, I get from the way she's written that she's supposed to be witty, but she isn't.

>>8318998
Everybody does that these days

>>8318987
If you read the two books in question, and read Sanderson, you would understand what I'm talking about. You get a Sanderson vibe from them.

Let cosmerefag confirm or deny my claims

A little off, but does anyone have any recommendations on Michael Crichton style shit, basically contemporary level science fiction with a ton of research put into it? I love his detail and how he grounded things in actual current research, but would like something a little less pulpy.

>>8318106
Welcome friend. It has a strong ending. And the third book is the best one IMO.

>>8318999
She "thinks" she is witty. It's like those sheltered autistic fucks that used to bust unfunny jokes in school and think they were hot shit, no one usually laughed though.

Same shit, shallan is living an inside world, anything looks like it's gonna change that she does a full retreat. Her "wit" is just a self-defense to deal with the trauma of her past.

I wonder if her spren is gonna leave her when she has no more lies (truth) to feed it?

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>>8318455
It's not completely written and edited and it's far more interesting for the few interested to read it in an episodic manner I think.
It keeps the mystery and feeling of wonder fresh instead of posting it all, read it in a sitting and go "OK, that was neat I guess."

>>8319004
Yeah he's right, but lol, I think you're forgetting the fact that would really complete your argument - that author was literally one of Brandon Sanderson's writing class students.

>>8319017
>I wonder if her spren is gonna leave her when she has no more lies (truth) to feed it?

Yes, Kal and Syl show the spren won't stick around to be your friend, it needs to connect to the spren's purpose. That said, I think Shallan will have plenty of lies for a very long time, just due to her nature.

>>8319001
>this
Only people that still say all fantasy is Tolkien knockoffs, are the ones that don't read anything new. They claim that x is an elf, y is an orc, and z is a midget.. i mean dwarf. They behave like Tolkien was the first to tell a fantastical story
>what are folk tales

>>8319035

Still, ever since the 50s if you write fantasy you have to face Tolkien, whether to follow or to go against him but you can't just ignore him.

It's kind of like Aristotles or Plato in philosophy.

>>8319046
not really

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>>8319023
What about Anthony Ryan's new book? The waking fire?

>>8319017
That's an attractive reading but I'm not sure the text supports it. It seems like people around Shallan are shown as thinking she's witty to an extent that can't just be explained by their humoring her. A character can only be as witty as the author unfortunately.

>>8319056
I don't know, book 2 pretty much makes it explicit that her "wit" is a coping method and not a legitimate great comic mind. This is Sanderson; he flat-out has her think and realise this.

>>8319026
Lying conniving bitch. I hope Kaladin fucks her bright eye cooch with his dark eye rod.

Sanderson a cunt I always thought her secret was that her father diddled her when she was young and she couldn't take the dick anymore and ran. But now that I know Sanderson, I know he will never write that.

I enjoy Sanderson, but he is too kiddie friendly, need some gri to liven things up, maybe some cucking. Bright eye women taking bridge slaves to their bed ala the Spartacus route, would love to see milf bright eyes getting deep dicked by those strong bridge slaves.

>>8319083

>maybe some cucking

You people are obsessed.

>>8319083
Why would you think that was her secret? The first book literally shows what her secret is, and I was so confused when people acted so surprised by book 2 actually showing it. We already knew it.

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>That part where Col. West's sister talks about pissing on her dad's grave

>>8319046
Only if you're a spreg lord, in this day you don't need hero's journey with a dark lord, and a wizard who I'm sure could have teleported.

>>8319083
While you people are clearly obsessed with cucking, I'd still love to see a darker Stormlight Archive that has more fucked up things than murder. Killing is bad, but rape and torture us worse and Sanderson is too soft and anime-y.

>>8319050
>tfw it seems interesting but I can't bring myself to read it after getting burned by his last series

>>8319089
I just finished a book where a daughter was diddled by her father before I started way of kings. The flashbacks were pointing to her father doing something to her, with him always keeping her sheltered, and how she didn't have a mother (nearest hole her dad could get his hands on).

>>8319093
>that part where she talks about getting dicked
Sad that gloktha can't get it up to enter her sweet gushing wet walls .

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>>8316771
Best post modern vampire fiction in decades desu

>>8319114
>thats a big drain
>4 you

>>8319109
I was the same but I gave it, it's fun so far..... but so was blood song. If I get burnt it would be poetic justice.

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>>8319101
I don't understand this sentiment. Isn't life horrific and depressing enough already?

>>8319129
Yes, but people (normies) behave like life is wonderful, that is why I read fantasy, to escape.

Dark fantasy just confirms our world view though, life is shit and everyone knows it. I hate being called pessimistic when I'm just a realist. Normies are like that coffee drinking dog meme "this is fine".

I know something could happen, acknowledge it and move on, these optimists behave like it can't hallen, they stick their fingers in their ears and scream lalalalal.

>>8319141

Ligotti pls go

>I-I'm only a realist!

Yeah right

Just because YOUR life sucks doesn't mean everyone else's does.

>>8318966
>>8318973
>A young man in his teens is transported from our world to a magical realm that contains seven levels of reality. Very quickly transformed by magic into a grown man of heroic proportions, he takes the name Able and sets out on a quest to find the sword that has been promised to him, a sword he will get from a dragon, the one very special blade that will help him fulfill his life ambition to become a knight and a true hero.

absolutely disgusting

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>>8319141
Maybe I'm just a pussy, but I like the middle path. Horrible fucked up worlds with glimmers of happiness and morality.

>>8318970
>My Twisted Worldbuilding

>>8319184

Synopsis doesn't work with Wolfe, it always seems pedestrian but then you read it and it's so much more.

who can do cucking better than bakker?

I swear, he is the only one that uses cucking as a major plot device. who beats him?

>>8319264

>who can do cucking better than bakker?

Your gf

>>8319264

Weeks

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>>8319284

>>8319264
my wife's best friend Mark

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>>8318729
Thank you. I'm having a great time writing Hao's story and the ending is satisfying, I promise.
Also I'm glad you have noticed the "broomsticks". They will be of importance in the final reveals in the 5th stanza.

>>8319125
>>8319109
So is Anthony Ryan's first series going to shit after Blood Song the consensus view?

>>8319387
I think so, haven't seen anyone disagree with it

the ratings even decline on goodreads which is often not the case for a series because people who give a low rating to the first book are unlikely to keep reading the series

>>8319396
>>8319387
It's because of how dumb his bait and switch is

One book that's an in depth study of one specific character, with human threats and then a sequel with several thin PoV's and comic book evil

All the nuance is gone and literally every single character becomes an unstoppable force

>>8319046
>>8319095
>someone writes something different like Daniel Abraham with his unique races and plot about fucking banking and politics
>reviews of "Oh he's clearly subverting tolkien"

It's not fantasy authors who are stuck on Tolkien, it's readers who view everything through his lens

>>8319129
Life's actually pretty fine

Life was pretty fucking fine in the middle ages for anyone who could actually be a fantasy protag (yes that includes farmers sons)

Grimdark fantasy is dumb because 90% of the time it representing or drawing a parallel to anything, it's just being edgy for the sake of it

>>8319422

Yeah I bet a farmer in the Middle Ages was living the dream.

>>8319440
>farm my shit
>feasts every day once harvest ends thanks to religious calendar
>healthy diet
>drinking and socialising all the time

It's the best quality of life the working poor have ever had, the industrial revolution and enclosure left them much worse off

>>8319450

>break my back in the fields 18 hours a day
>come home to a nutritious meal of onions and turnips
>eat meat maybe once a month if that
>have to give part of the harvest to local fuckface noble
>half my children don't even make it to adulthood because lel no medical care
>die at 40 of common cold, war, famine, plague, you name it

Nostalgiafags make me fucking sick.

>>8319480
>die at 40 of common cold, war, famine, plague, you name it
Yeah let's just lie about how long people lived for
If you didn't die very young most people made it to old age

>>8319141
kek, whether a world is 'fucked up' or not is entirely depending on time and place.

Many people in berserk lived comfortably and happily until Apostles and whoever came around, and even still they get by.

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>>8319114
>vampire fiction

Is Mary Sue the strongest being in fiction?
Plot armour must be the strongest force one can have

>>8319480
>die at 40 of common cold, war, famine, plague, you name it
That's the average you shitstain. If 10 people live to 100 and 10 people live to 1 year old, the average is some 50 years old. Doesn't mean everyone lived to their 50s and then died.
In the middle ages if you could survive your childhood and teen yearsbyou would reach an old age almost surely, hence the average being so low. Many died as children but those who didn't lived to get old.

>>8319415
>he actually likes Abraham
You a masochist anon

>>8319609
>if you beat the average you get to live longer
Genius. That doesn't change the fact that the average is higher now.

>>8319264
Why are you so obsessed over Bakker and cucking? Surely there are other things about it that you enjoy

>>8319484
>If you didn't die young you lived longer

>>8316780
wow you're so smart dude

*unleashes the warren of chaos*

>>8319060
People find her way too funny for that to be true. And most of them have no reason to pretend to love her and find her delightful.

>>8319060
I haven't read WoR, so that might set me straight. But when she was introduced, I figured the Thaylen captain was just humoring her, but then Jasnah, who is canonically supposed to be intelligent and no-nonsense, started complimenting her wit, I got a sinking feeling like, 'oh, she's actually supposed to be witty, and the author can't convey that.' Thats compatible with her using her 'wit' as a defense mechanism. My point is just that if she's actually supposed to be witty, defense mechanism or not, that's not conveyed well.

>>8320258

Because the author is a humourless hack

Anyone know of any books like the first two Day by Day Armageddon books or any less shitty zombie books in general?

>>8320276

>zombie

For what fucking reason would you read any "zombie" shit

>>8320286
I have read most every other post apoc novel out there besides zombie shit.

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Thoughts on this?

>>8320258
Well, the second book literally does as I said, and explores how it's a coping mechanism. You see flashbacks to when she started the shitty humour and why her brothers humoured her.

>>8320303

I suggest Malazan instead.

>>8320309
Thing is, I got about a quarter of the way through Book 2 of Malazan, stopped reading for a long while and now I don't know if I should pick up where I left off or start over again.

What would you suggest?

ASOIAF > LotR

>>8320324
Not that guy, but I'd say don't do it. Books 2-6 are very good but after that it's all downhill, the last two are utter trash.

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>>8319114
Ahem.

>>8320324

Just pick it up where you left off

>tfw begun to write randomly whatever small bits and stories came to my head since January
>force myself everyday to do 2-3 pages of anything
>ended up with 500 pages worth of scribbles, characters, places, ideas, small stories etc.
I guess a small start is better than nothing at all, feels good.

Now if only someday I can make something coherent out of all this

>>8316771
>the man in the high castle
>dystophian
Kek

>>8320423
>Now if only someday I can make something coherent out of all this

It doesn't have to be coherent just put it all into one novel

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>>8319060
"Wit" is one of several consistent traits among most of Sanderson's female leads. There is no subtlety involved with her thinking she is witty. In-universe, she IS witty.

>>8319533
The world of Berserk is very corrupt and was corrupt for a long fucking time before Apostles showed up regularly within the series.
Oddly enough though, we haven't seen a raping since the trolls.

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>>8320276
The Strain
Let the right one in

>>8320338
Who are you trying to b8? That is an undeniable fact, no one here is a Tolkien fanboy, fed up of seeing his clones tbqh famil.

>>8320469
>"Wit" is one of several consistent traits among most of Sanderson's female leads. There is no subtlety involved with her thinking she is witty. In-universe, she IS witty.

I agree that Sanderson isn't much of a witty writer himself and that this bleeds into his protags often, but I absolutely disagree Shallan is meant to be taken as a straightforwardely witty person. Her flashbacks POVs and self-actualisations in her character arc in book 2 literally explicitly show why she reverts to shitty humour as a coping mechanism.

>>8320469
>Sanderson's female leads

>Who is Lightsong
>Who is Wayne
>Who is Alcatraz
>Who is Kelsier
>Who is Raoden

>>8320516
>he read alcatraz

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>>8320509
You're welcome to harbor your own beliefs about why she has that trait but in all honesty, you are reading far too much into it.

>>8320516
I never said it was a consistent trait among his male leads and I don't even think it is.

>don't remember Lightsong enough to comment
>Wayne is hilarious as a while
>reading non-Cosmere
>Kelsier was a real nigga, all about his business, too busy to be funny
>don't remember Raoden enough to comment

>>8320529
Alcatraz is comfy

>>8320488
Is it bad I read a third of those but barely remember anything, let alone characters names?

>>8319114
Actually I read a scifi book with vampires a while back that was pretty great.
>earth invaded by aliens
>humans tenaciously hold on
>but the aliens are gaining the upper hand
>all is lost and the aliens prepare to wipe out humanity
>SUDDENLY DRACULA
>he's pissed the aliens have been killing all the humans
>vampires capture the alien warships by riding up into space on the outside of their shuttles, because vampires don't need to breathe
>vampires kill the alien crews and send the battleships to fuck up the alien homeworlds

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>>8320656
Why does this sound so much better than it should be?

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>>8319440

>>8320656
Name of book?

>>8316809

Woah, is this supposed to be Nausicaa? Nice!

Wait what the fuck, Dujek literally only has one arm?

>>8321105
Is this a joke?

>>8319629
It's been higher for a relatively short time in only a part of the world.
>>8319440
It was a simple life with its own set of advantages and problems.

>>8320488
>iron druid is on the list
>no golem and the jinni

shit taste

>>8321238
I think I saw that a few years ago, blurb didn't appeal to me.

>>8321311
It's actually pretty fantastic, especially considering it's a first novel

>>8321131

No I thought it was just a name

1/3 into The Final Empire, I'm 100% sure Kelsier is evil.

What makes prose bad?

>>8320541
>I never said it was a consistent trait among his male leads and I don't even think it is.

My point was that it's bizarre to single out his female leads for being "witty" when his male leads are just as much. Lightsong's chapters were literally 100% unadulterated Sanderson "wit" between him and Blushweaver. Wayne is the exact same sort of lolsorandum wit. Alcatraz is also this. Kelsier was as well, regardless of what else you think of him. And Raoden laid the wit on thick too.

My point is just that it's a habit of Sanderson's and doesn't have anything to do with the gender of the character. Vin wasn't "witty". Shallan and Siri are. Lightsong and Raoden are. It's just a habit of his.

>>8320541
>You're welcome to harbor your own beliefs about why she has that trait but in all honesty, you are reading far too much into it.

I suppose we agree to disagree here, but I cannot believe there are people on /lit/ who have comprehension troubles with a Brandon Sanderson character arc.

>>8321676
Is this really a question?

>>8319093
Gave me a shameboner desu

>>8321676
It isn't objectively bad, but it obfuscates intent and action, turning a story into a painting of letters. Cleverly done, it can bind symbolism to the surface, clarifying themes while subduing literal meaning. Done poorly, it becomes a doorstopper full of childhood scribbles. Joyce is the worst offender, to the extent that reading his work is like coding in brainfuck. You don't do it because you like it, or because it's good, but because even getting a suggestion of what's going on is a sign of skill

>>8321799
Joyce is pretty standard in Dubliner's and Portrait

>>8321805
Even getting through Portrait was like digging my way through the wall of an ice hotel with a fork. Ulysses was fucking pykrete in comparsion

>>8321676

You should ask those who have mastered prose, like Joyce or Rothfuss, if they're good then they must know why they are good

About to start the Empire in Black and Gold series what am I in for /sffg/?

>>8321879
Oh wow I completely forgot about this series.

Can anybody recommend me some hard sci-fi? Been thinking about Schild's Ladder.

>>8322272
First two-thirds of Seveneves is hard sci fi

Like exceedingly so, you can't escape it

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New Dread Empire's Fall book!
>Having offended her superiors by winning a battle without permission, Caroline Sula has been posted to the planet Earth, a dismal backwater where careers go to die. But Sula has always been fascinated by Earth history, and she plans to reward herself with a long, happy vacation amid the ancient monuments of humanity's home world.

>Sula may be an Earth history buff, but there are aspects of her own history she doesn't want known. Exposure is threatened when an old acquaintance turns up unexpectedly. Someone seems to be forging evidence that would send her to prison. And all that is before someone tries to kill her.

>If she's going to survive, Sula has no choice but to make some history of her own.

HYPE!

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>>8320656
>>8320664
>>8320865

I got you, it's "Out of the Dark" by David Weber. HFY, masturbatory gun/'murica/prepper trash, complete with author insert, multiple Mary Sues, plot armor. The vampires are lazy deus ex machina. Not worth reading, even if you want this stuff there are better options.

>>8320656
I read Out of the Dark too, first time I've ever seen it mentioned on 4chan

You shouldn't spoil entire books tho brah, the rest of the books still pretty good

>>8320865
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Dark_(Weber_novel)

Why do people say the last Malazan books are bad?

>>8322427
Too many new boring characters get introduced while older ones get sidelined, deus ex machina, constant longwinded preaching about war, power etc, more about destination as opposed to journey.

Why do these guys need to have so many fucking names
Like I understand Quickben because his real name is really long, but
>Wrath drake
>Wrath shadowthrone
>Wrath hood

Jesus christ just call him Wrath for fuck's sake

>>8321819
Serious question, are you retarded?
Portrait had nothing about the prose to make it hard to follow.

>reading Warbreaker
>promising first chapter
>female POV chapter afterwards
God damn I hate Sanderson female characters. It's been the third false start thus week. I can't get over his shitty all of his female characters are.
What do I need to get over his female POV chapters since they're all so bad?

>>8322496

Stop reading that trash, that would help

>>8322496

What's wrong with his female PoV chapters?

Doing a re-read of Wheel of Time and enjoying it plenty. I'm about 1/3 of the way through Lord of Chaos and it's still one of my favourite books in the whole series.

It'll be interesting to see how far I get this time. I have read the whole series cover-to-cover twice, and have tried numerous other times, making it part way through to varying degrees. Book 6 is usually about the point where I get distracted by something else and forget to go back to the books for too long. I really would like to finish another complete read through because I honestly enjoy some of the Sanderson volumes and I still love the way things come to together increasingly toward the end.

I'll be interested to see what progress they make on the TV show that Harriet announced a month or so back. I know they've been talking about it forever but the press release seemed like it was definitely going ahead this time. Makes me a little bit worried. I know you could savagely cut the shit out of these books and still maintain the important core elements while making it into something concise enough to film, but all the little bits of flavour and tertiary plot lines that will get cut are what make the rest of the story so good.

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>>8322472
>Wrath

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>>8322529

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Are there any fantasies that are just one off stories?
Where I don't have to read 8 complete 900 page novels in order for them to feel finished?

I just want something where the world building doesn't take 500 pages.

>>8322573
The Buried Giant

>>8322496
As I recall, one of them is his usual le so quirky and witty type, and the other is slightly more interesting.

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>>8322496
I think Vivenna was actually worth a shit. She's one of Sanderson's few decent femleads.

>>8322573
The Goblin Emperor was pretty good.

>>8322427
Because Erickson disappears up his own ass with those last 4 books. I have no idea why his editor didn't reel him in.

>>8322573
The Hobbit

>>8322634
I read in an interview or something that in the earlier books his editor would say "Can we cut that out?" and he would say it comes back in book 7, so his editor just stopped bothering asking for cuts. Erikson's probably the type that would switch editors if they thwarted his ego.

>>8322651
Sounds like he just knew how to overwhelm his editor to the point that he says "fuck it, the shits already selling anyways"

>>8322653
The fanaticism surrounding the series is probably its most impressive feat.
http://www.fantasybookreview.co.uk/Steven-Erikson/The-Crippled-God.html

>>8322573
The "Ring of Light" quintet by writer anon desu
It's worth a damn t b h, there's few better short stories written by nobodies.

>>8322496

Vivenna is Sanderson's best female lead, and overall one of his best protags, keep reading. One of the few Sanderson protags with actual depth and a bit of moral nuance.

>>8322573
The Emperor's Soul

Warbreaker

Elantris

>>8322513
All of them are le witty strong females who can outsmart the circumstances and rise for the better. I don't dislike such characters but the way Sanderson does it is annoying. I think it's because of his prose more than anything though.

>>8316849
bum-ping for interest

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>>8322837

>>8323043
>Rand
>Not a self-doubting asshat

lol

Plowed right through Elric and then Corum
what next?

>>8323118
Sanderson

>>8322573
Knights of Dark Renown (1989)
Morningstar (1992)
Dark Moon (1996)
Echoes of the Great Song (1997)

>>8323118
Lankhmar and Amber Cronicles are your best picks.

>>8320303
I liked the rape, gay and incest in Everman Series.

Does anyone know where can I find The Wheel of Osheim epub?
lib.gen doesn't have it yet.

>>8323493
http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=1563642

>>8323499
Thanks, m8.
I didn't even know about this site.

>>8323504
it's pretty good, usually very quick with new releases

>>8322573
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

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>>8322328
Sounds like generic shit desu, don't think you can shill that here.

Get out.

>>8323134
Why are you listing years... are you by chance a dino in disguise?

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>>8323118
Any of these books senpai.

>>8322634

Oh come on now, there was no quality drop in the Malazan series all that happened was you got tired and disinterested, that doesn't make the series bad that makes you bad, he couldn't have ended the series in any better way and that's a fact.

>>8323731
>you're a bad reader because the author wrote a series that was tiring and disinteresting

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hey guys, my dad was giving away a bunch of his old sci fi books so i snagged all this shit, what's worth reading?

>>8323731
>and that's a fact
>not a fact
oh boy

>>8324224
>>8324256
>>8324320

Did americans just wake up?
This thread was dead for hours

>>8323118
Hawkmoon, obviously. After that, Chronicles of Erekosë
Then Witcher, Conan, Kull

>>8324256
Most of them are big names. I'd give them all a try. Never heard of Passion Play or Desolation Angels though.

>>8324256

That copy of Froth on the Daydream is worth a ton of money. Copies in bad condition go for like 50 bucks.

Lucky bastard.

Do any of you subscribe to the SF&F magazines out there for short stories? Which are the best?

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Is Stranger in a Strange Land a good book for young women to read?

>>8324745

why would you care what women want to read
give them twilight or some other trash

>>8324745
Orphans of Chaos.

>>8323731
At the very least he could have cut out a lot of the Barghast shit, Akrynnai, Felash, Redmask, the Shake, some of the Perish stuff. Hundreds and hundreds of pages of tripe gone, and then we could focus on the more interesting characters which we've followed for most of the series.

Now where does everyone get their Ebooks from since Kat is gone?

>>8324825
Amazon

>>8324825

audiobookbay

>>8324825
mobilism

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>>8324825
I've always used lurk more. They have everything.

>>8324825

bookname.pdf on google

Is there a bigger cuck than Achamian in all of fantasy?

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Anybody here read the Rain Wilds books? How go they compare to Farseer amd other Hobb series?

>>8324993
shit like everything she wrote

>>8324993

>Female author

Do you even need to ask?

>>8324825
Post two random sentences from the book into google, you'll find a copy 99% of the time.

>>8325008

>need book to get 2 sentences
>need 2 sentences to get book

REEEEEEEEEEEEEe

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>mfw Sanderson LITERALLY writes "It can't be helped"
He's not even trying to hide it.

>>8325016
Can you use amazon or books.google to look at the book's sample pages?

>>8325037

I don't know?

>>8319141
Teenage reasoning.

I remember being the same when I was 16. You'll grow out of it.

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>>8325037
Yes, I just tried it with Neuromancer. I copied some text from the amazon preview and the third result is the entire book.

>>8324993
Can't speak for this title, but one of its precursors made me realize that I've outgrown at least half the books in the SFF genre.

>>8323043
Rand has enough self-loathing for 10 fantasy protagonists.

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>>8325092
Good work.

I tried it with a Sanderson novel and I got the book in a webpage. Is the Way of Kings really 200 pages?

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>>8325114

>>8316771

Good job at putting sffg in name idiot

>>8325184
Pretty sure this is the reason this thread is moving so much slower than usual.

>>8325184
>>8325202
... what are you talking about

>>8325215
When you go to the catalogue and search "sffg", nothing comes up.

>>8325268
Oh, looks like he put it as name instead of the subject

kek

Is ASOIAF actually any good? I have yet to get around to reading it

>>8324961
Bakker ? Cnaiur ?

>>8325338
tv series is better

>pick up a book
>main character is old bitter and jaded
>It's new and interesting and I like it
>he rapes a girl in chapter 3

What the Fuck?

>>8324961
Do not bully Akka

He did nothing wrong

>>8325499
He taught Kellhus the Gnosis, thats where he fucked up IMO

Everything else is childsplay in comparison.

>>8325135
I missed this.

>>8325438
Which book?

>>8325461
ahhh

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>See a bunch of my favorites that aren't the more well known or pulp popular fantasy novels

Gemmel a great (if a little predictable with similar protagonist each time)
Lion of Al-Rassan a GREATE
Jackal of Nar a GRATE
Briar Knight a GRATE. Also weirdly based off the idea of the Roanoke colony being taken away to another universe, albeit with no actual influence beyond that as a brief seedling of the backstory.

>>8318966

Briar Knight series has one of the protagonists being a white knight whose angst is about being more white knight. But the older ranger slightly misanthropic dude, the scholar-nerd, the tomgirl princess and later the charming spaniard guy make it an ensemble cast.

>>8325438
He continues being old, bitter, and jaded, if that's your thing.

Is Brent Weeks good or what? Goodreads isn't being helpful

>>8325730

He's the best active author right now

>>8325730
Not bad for YA

Night Angel is super edgy
Lightbringer is much better

>>8325067
I'm 26.... also I hate people, would nuke the world if I could. Think about an heroing all the time.

>>8325730
I honestly think he's shit, but I've only ever picked up one of his novels (pretty sure it was called "The Black Prism").
Like the other anon said, it's okay for YA, I guess. Just didn't quite do it for me, tbqh.

>>8325461
i hope you get raped by a pack of wild most violent of men

>>8325730
BLOOD MIRROR WHEN

>>8325730
>Goodreads

Anyone have that "What I read, What I expected, what I Got" image where Man in the High Caste turns out to be Pawn starts?

>>8325730
He's ok, but he's a total edgelord and almost more anime than Sanderson.
The Lightbringer series is basically ATLA with more rape.

>>8325932
>Night Angel is super edgy
>Lightbringer is much better
I dropped Night Angel after the weird rape/feminization thing that happened on the first page, but Lightbringer is still edgy as fuck.
The whole thing with that girl and the olive oil was just unnecessary.

>>8326031
>The whole thing with that girl and the olive oil was just unnecessary.

No it's not
Rape baiting works better on reddit

>>8325008
https://www.amazon.com/Requiem-Blood-War-Trilogy-Book-ebook/dp/B009UDZRW4/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469591064&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=requiem+tim+marquitz

I tried with this book and couldn't find shit. Help me, senpai.

Finished Mistborn yesterday.
Any more coming of age stories with a little girl as protagonist?

>>8326037
Nah it was way over the top. I'm not objecting to the threat of rape necessarily, but the way it was presented was so cartoonishly evil that it killed the drama of the situation.

New bread whan?

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>>8326031
>Lightbringer
>more GRI than night angel
???

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>>8326132
Pic related

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>>8316771
>Fantasy recommendations

I am human garbage on an Urban Fantasy binge

I just binged the Dresden Files audiobooks all voiced by James Marsters aka Spike from Buffy.
I need audiobooks to listen to at work. NEED. Work and longass public transit.
I really want something akin to the Dark Noir Urban Fantasy shtick.

Goodreads a shit, next top pick for similar to Dresden Files was Mercy Thompson which was bland AND boring as shit despite exponentially more reviews than anything else.

How the fuck to I get James Marsters out of my head. He's replaced my internal monologue voice and I can't get it to stop.

Recommendations in OP look interesting, but I burned through roughly one audiobook per day so I'm going to need more than the four in the one OP image.
>Neverwhere, The Tooth Fairy, Tea with the Black Dragon, The Land of Laughs

>>8326267
I don't know how GRI Night Angel is because I didn't read past the first chapter, but Lightbringer is pretty heavy on the GRI at times.

>>8326270
Maybe try the Sandman Slim series? Seems like it would be up your alley.

Someone do a new thread, I'm on phone and can't do it meself.

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>mfw the last line of Death Of Dr. Island

Goddamnit Gene, that was stone cold.

>>8325461
Joke's on you, you didn't say when.

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>>8325461

>>8325730

Lightbringer series is good, but you're better off just reading Sanderson rather than a Sanderson junior like him.

>>8322317
Tried reading but it just seems so... non-hard. Too many muh strong females, and the plot device with the moon just doesn't seem plausible at all. Everything should be red hot and molten from the kinetic energy.
Also, that Neil DeGrasse Tyson analog annoys me too.

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>>8326361

>"there was no reply."
>mfw

>reading first thomas covenant book

Is this supposed to be pomo and meta-fictional or am I just oversaturated with 20th century lit and reading too much into it?

New thread

>>8326566

>>8325339
Wouldn't Khellus be the cuck in that relationship?
He did raise another man's child.