/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>>8257337
It's from Heinlein on invisible exposition, as in you don't have to explain how we are in the future and doors are circles that open like irises when you can just mention that the door dilated.

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>>8257339

Should I skip it or is it worth it?

>>8257378
i liked it

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First for Surrealism as a weapon (If the Bakkerfags can do it, so can I)

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Bumping with Dick. Currently reading The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and I'm liking it so far. What by him should I read next? I've read all the obvious aside from VALIS.

>>8257339
Only one third of Faded Sun?

>>8257418
I really enjoy Now Wait for Last Year

>reposting because no answer
>>8255987
The prose in this (pic related) is very basic, it's like how a primary school kid would write.
So far I've only seen one instance of GRI, it was only a glance and typically it's because some Horny Indian kid heard noise and "wanted to see" and it's was a little past the middle of the book.
They also have a lot of designated areas... seems like Indians trying to build up their society to more than it is.

Well I guess when a white writes he does this automatically, so when an Indian does it he will do the same. I wonder if the same applies to blacks and Chinese?
I know the Japanese in their literature (anime/Manga) always makes it seem like Japan is the only country in the world, or that Japan is a continent spanning the entire Earth.

Do you guys know if African and Chinese written fantasy does the same? (N. K. Jemisin doesn't do this, she doesn't blatantly say that the protagonist is pitch coal black and that they run the world).

>>8257521
What exactly is the question here

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>>8257378
Read Ship Breaker instead.

>>8257526
>what is last line
the previous is just context

>>8257521
So you're saying that reading this unabashedly Indophilic book led you to believe that books by Westerners are just like that but it's invisible to you? Look, sometimes it's just a bad book. Bad African authors and bad Chinese authors do it.

Unless there's some wildly popular Western fantasy where people are going on about how great whites are and how they rule the world. I bet there isn't. Westerners love showing off lots of foreign surnames in their books, they often have their Arab or Oriental stand-ins teach their protagonists valuable lessons, and so on. How much anime is about a white person showing Japanese people how restrictive their culture is, teaching the kids to dance and lie to their parents and such?

And Jemisin shoves race in the readers' faces, don't even start with that.

>>8257521
Come on, I've read plenty of CN where chinese are the overlords of the universe. Just read their xianxia where their chinese MC became gods and ruled the world.

t. not even white

>>8254478
>Because, while he has imagined a stupendously great world and characters, his mediocre story-telling ability and shit prose chokes its potential to come truly alive.

In the early books? Certainly. He started out writing basically as good as anyone off the street would.

He improved pretty quickly, though. In the later books, as well as some of the off-series stories, I think his storytelling and prose improved far beyond what's typical of genre fiction; enough that I'd say it's actually good.

There wasn't a single time between, say, the third book of BotF up until Crack'd Pot Trail where his writing was anything but clear and well paced, and that's leaving aside how fantastic his dialogue has always been.

The Healthy Dead was a bit clumsy in it's way, but it was in general a very Discworld-esque satire of health nuts.

Crack'd Pot is a ridiculous detour from the typical shit, but it's also a big jump in his use of language. It's almost unreadably dense and absurd in it's exaggeration of storyteller's / poetic prose, but at the same time you can tell he's learning a lot as he stumbles through it.

To me, a bad writer is someone like Sanderson who has been making, essentially, the same dumbass mistakes throughout his entire career. I don't think Erikson can, by any definition, still be considered a bad writer.

>>8257619

(unless you count the ridiculously lengthy endeavors of anthropology he takes in the prologues for the Teblor and the Tiste Edur. I kind of liked those, though. You can skip them without missing anything, but you can also read them if you're into that sort of thing.)

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Repostan

>>8255461
'Hoid' is a worldhopper but he's basically THE worldhopper. He isn't a Herald. Speaking of Heralds, we don't even know if the Heralds originated from Roshar themselves.

>>8255527
Hoid has been in every Cosmere story except for Shadows for Silence in the Forest of Hell and First of the Sun, as far as I'm aware. Even his appearance in Shadows is debatable between Sanderson and his main editor.

I don't know what you mean by SQW, anon. Also, Warbreaker takes place on Nalthis. Just call it by its planet name. It isn't its own universe.

>>8255534
As far as the original trilogy goes: he was an informant for Kelsier in the first book, leader of the Terris refugees in the second, and an informant again in the third book but spooked Vin so she didn't talk to him.

>>8257517
No clue. I'm sure he'll pop up. There's a nobody figure that is speculated to be him but nothing to confirm or deny it.

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Is this series any good?

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>>8257704
Very.

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"Who?" he roared in his sacred tongue.

He hacked at the riderless horses barring him from his foe. One went down thrashing. Another screamed and bucked into the knotted heathen ranks.

"I am Cnaur Urs Skiotha," he bellowed, "most violent of all men! I bear your fathers and your brothers upon my arms!"
Heathen eyes flashed white from the shadows of their silvered helm. Several cried out.

"Who," Cnaur roared, so fiercely all his skin seemed throat, "will murder me?"

>>8257738
Forgot
>4 days until The Great Ordeal

>>8257704
Its pretty good.

how is the Era 2 Mistborn stuff? I liked the first Mistborn trilogy and I like Sanderson in general but the wild-west setting is kinda off putting for me.

>>8257738
Based Cnaiur. Best character in the series.

Been reading Iron Dragon's Daughter but am wondering if there's anything with a girl protag that isn't filled with drug use.
Any recommendations?

/sffg/, I'm sure many of you are aware of Le Guin's comments on Harry Potter. She called it 'ethically mean-spirited.' Does anyone know if she ever expanded somewhere on what she meant by this? I ask because I had the same feeling and wanted to know whether she had similar reasons to mine. I can't find anything form her except that short quote.

>>8257875
David Gemmell's Hawk Queen series.

>>8257867
Thats not Sorweel

>>8257981
>15 year old cuck
>best anything

The entire Thousand Tenples is laughing at you

>>8257989
>is immune to the Dunyain sight
>is backed by an Elder God
>implying he isnt the most dangerous kid in Earwa right now

its only a matter of time

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>>8257770
Surprisingly good. The main character(s) is/are older so you see more maturity present. It's only Wild West-y in some parts, like the Roughs; otherwise, city is around the time or right after of Industrialization. Also, best character of the whole Cosmere is in Era 2.

>>8257704
In my opinion, yes.

>>8257574
>white person showing Japanese people how restrictive their culture is, teaching the kids to dance and lie to their parents and such?
You really think kids in Japan don't dance and don't lie?

>>8257521
>I know the Japanese in their literature (anime/Manga) always makes it seem like Japan is the only country in the world, or that Japan is a continent spanning the entire Earth.
Where did you get this from? Retarded shit like Mahouka? Or did you fall for memes?

>>8257418
Could some kind anon please dump all the humourous Man in the High Castle Dick meme images? I would be grateful.

>>8257920

What are your reasons?

>>8257738
Jesus Christ this is so awful

>>8258119

Yeah every single Bakker excerpt I've seen here has unbelievably shitty prose. I think the hype is all memes.

>>8258131
No, it's the cretins in the thread who unironically think that's great writing.

>>8257738
this is the funniest thing ive read today

>>8257981
Almost every other POV character is better than Sorweel.

>>8258131
Bakker's prose is purple as fuck, but you don't read Bakker for the prose.

Why does everyone hate Sorweel?

Who has better prose, Sanderson or Abercrombie?

>>8257738
>"Who," Cnaur roared, so fiercely all his skin seemed throat, "will murder me?"
I cringed a little reading that.

>>8258342
People used to kill each other in hand to hand, it's not pleb shit.

>>8258339
Sanderson.
He's bad, but doesn't directly assume the reader is mentally challenged.

>>8258294
He's just a very vanilla and boring person who happens to get swept up in events.

>>8258339
Abercrombie, although it took him a while to get there. Blade Itself had pretty poor prose.

>>8258349

Abercrombie is right in assuming his readership is mentally challenged, since they read him.

>>8258354
He's not the most ambitious sure, but I found him to be one of the more entertaining POVs next to Kelmomas.

>>8258364
You are absolutely correct, but it's pretty bad when someone who isn't retarded tries to read his drivel.

>>8258365
Lil' Kel is definitely the best POV from the 2nd series.

In fact Kellhus's kids (natural or otherwise) are the most interesting characters by far.

What is some good obscure fantasy worth reading?

>>8258375
I can ageee to that.

>>8258377
There's loads.

>>8258389
Then give me some titles, asshole.

>>8258393
The Worm Oroborus

>>8258393
Pretty much anything by Nick Harkaway, Chaz Brenchley/Daniel Fox, Paul Kearney or Felix Gilman.

>>8258393
The Epic of Girugameshuu

Friend of mine suggested the broken Empire trilogy with all the titles with "Thorns" in it.

Should I read it? Seems gay as fuck with all that 'set in global warmed Europe' map it uses.

>>8258445
>Seems gay as fuck with all that 'set in global warmed Europe' map it uses.
I just saw the map. That is gay as fuck.

>>8258445
It's bad don't bother.

>>8258505
What makes it bad?

>>8258445
The main character is a 15 year old boy who rapes and burns and murders a small town with his cool band of mercenary friends because no one can stop his genius and swordsmanship. That's just the first chapter.
It's garbage.

>>8258517
>The main character is a 15 year old boy who rapes and burns and murders a small town with his cool band of mercenary friends because no one can stop his genius and swordsmanship.
That's awesome though.

>>8258521
You have to be 18+ to post on 4chan.

>>8258521
I envy you and your simple pleasures if you really are that retarded that you can find joy in such filth.

>>8258522
>>8258525
You guys are silly.

>>8258514
Do you like edgy teenagers?

>>8258528
Who doesn't?

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Is this whole series worth it for someone new to the genre or is there a better place to start.

I've only read LOTR and the First Law trilogy.

>>8258548
No, it's bloated and mediocre. You could be reading 2-3 other series in that time which would all be higher in quality.

Just check out the recs in the OP.

>>8258548
Check out Mistborn and Stormlight Archive. They're pretty entrance-level friendly.

>>8258555
>>8258552
That Stormlight series looks quite promising. Think that's where I'll go next.

Thanks, famalanos.

>>8258548
It's fine for someone new to the genre.

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Soon.

>>8258043
offended weeb autist (not the guy you replied to btw)

>>8257704
if you play video games at all the story line is at times going to seem very familiar in weird ways. probably not an accident, the release of this book.

anyways I'm actually reading this right now, in release order. finished revelation space and chasm city, both were pretty good, and I just started the second book in the trilogy. (i hope we hear about sky hausmann again).

>>8258043
>You really think kids in Japan don't dance and don't lie?
White kids dance too, but (((white))) people make movies about uninhibited minorities showing up to teach them some lesson.

>>8257920
All I remember about Le Guin on Potter is her saying her friends were telling her about this delightfully creative story about a magic school and her thinking, "oh, the one I wrote thirty years ago?"

And all she was saying was that Harry Potter isn't original but that's not necessarily bad, as far as I remember.

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>>8257875
I guess I haven't spammed this in a while.

>>8258377
Maybe some of these. You feeling lucky today?

>>8258676
>her friends were telling her about this delightfully creative story about a magic school and her thinking, "oh, the one I wrote thirty years ago?"

top kek

She's right, the first Earthsea is like Harry Potter if it was written by an actually competent, non-hack writer.

>>8258673
if its not that its some white guy "going native" and ending up leading the proud-but-simple primitives

>tfw generational memes

>>8258702
Yeah, but they always teach him how to loosen up too.

>>8257031
>I don't know what you mean by SQW, anon. Also, Warbreaker takes place on Nalthis. Just call it by its planet name. It isn't its own universe.
It was a typo, it was suppose to be "saw". He saw hoid in warbreaker, I'm sure he would shit breaths if he saw hoid in stormlight.

>>8258702
>some white guy "going native" and ending up leading the proud-but-simple primitives

I actually liked The Last Samurai. It was a good movie.

>>8258723

>shit breaths

Isn't that just called "farting"

>>8257339
>Most modern fantasies blend genres together. A Song of Ice and Fire blends fantasy with history, The Lies of Locke Lamora blends fantasy with a heist novel. If I had to put a label on the Cosmere, it would be fantasy meets the Marvel Cinematic Universe, taking the best things from each.

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>>8258050
Here's what I've got, don't think it's all of them though

1/4

>>8257704
Its okay.
It gets more and more anticlimactic as the books continue and the characters are totally inhuman and bizarre. Not as amazing as people led me to believe it would be.

>>8258737
a bit of an obvious statement considering that this has always been the case. before tolkien, fantasy was pretty much "middle ages with weird elements" after tolkien it has been "middle ages with fairy tale races and fictional mythology".

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>>8258739
2/4

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>>8258743
3/4

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>>8258445

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>>8258745
4/4

>>8258731
..... Have you read warbreaker? I thought the pun was obvious. Go read how warbreaker's universe works.

>>8258742
>Hodson
>Morris
>Dunsany
>Hoffman
>Eddison
What middle ages with weird elements are you referring to? Spenser?

>>8258742
It's accurate for sure, but I thought it was funny because the author seems to think that comparing Sanderson to capeshit is favourable on Sanderson's part.

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>>8258759
welcome back dinosaur chan, I missed you <3. This some Stockholm syndrome level shit going on here, I'm fiending for your posts.

>>8258772
>responds to a specific statement about an era of fantasy
>obviously hates new things that aren't by old people

>>8258784
I'm sorry dino chan, it's just that I didn't see you for the past 3 threads, I missed you, and got excited.

>>8258793
But I'm not even dino, I'm the John Barnes fan.

>>8258838
Then where did dino go? Was he really a high schooler pretending to be well read? Now that summer is here he is at the beach watching chads reign in walking onaholes?

>>8259102
There was never a dino, only anti-dino overreacting to every rec of an old book.

>>8259102
He's here. I'm 99% sure he's one of these two
>>8258364
>>8258370

>>8259119
Pure McCarthyism.

>>8259141
No need to be embarrassed, in the presence of a master detective such as myself it was only a matter of time until your true identity was exposed, Dinosaur.

hey y'all

I'm in a used bookstore with an impressive scifi section, but I always have trouble picking out scifi because I never trust any to be good unless I know the author. I feel like I'm missing out, though, so I could use some recs.

Delany is my absolute favorite ( and there's none of him here). Frank Herbert and Octavia Butler are close seconds. I used to love Asimov but I can't stand his writing anymorE.

Any suggestions?

>>8259169
Reynolds, Stross, Asimov, Banks

>>8258793
You need new memes. The dinosaur is finally extinct. "30 days" is ending next week. No one talks about gri anymore and the "Sanderson is anime" anon left. Hell chart anon don't even post anymore.

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>>8259169
>he liked hogg and dhalgren
Fucking degenerate scum

>>8259186
Dhalgren should have been 400 pgs and not 900. Really I loved Stars In My Pocket... and his shorter novels, especially They Fly At Ciron

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Is this series any good?

>>8259186

What is wrong with Gormenghast you fucking plebe? I haven't read the two sequels but I thought Titus Groan and Gormenghast were both 10/10

>>8259324
It's sffg's bible

>>8259324
It isn't a series but yes it's good.

>>8258445
yeah only read it if you know you are reading a guilty pleasure book. I cringed at parts, and it seems like it was written by the edgiest person of all time for most of the series. The MC is a total Gary-Sue, but there are a few cool concepts in the world building.
Night Angel was much better as an 2edgy4me guilty pleasure trilogy

there are better books/10

>>8259333

>responding to someone who unironically uses the term "degenerate"

of course he's a pleb, what did you expect?

>>8259169
Culture Series by Iain M Banks
Stand alones that exist in the same universe
Consider Phlebas and Player of Games are the first 2 books.

>>8259345
>It isn't a series
Book of the New Sun is 4 books long moron

>>8259401
It's like LotR, it's one novel published in multiple volumes.

>>8259409
It is literally a series you mog

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>>8259169
You must buy all of Cherryh's books.

>>8258013
who do you think the best character is? I'm in the middle of the first book of era 2 and finding most of the characters pretty boring compared to era 1 (which had its fair share of boring ones).

>>8259426

>buy

not him but her entire bibliography in epub is literally one click away.

>>8259409
How can someone who reads be so stupid.
series:
noun
a number of things or events of the same class coming one after another in spatial or temporal succession
or
a set of books, articles, etc., that involve the same group of characters or the same subject

>>8259430
>reading fake books
>deriving fake enjoyment
>proselytizing a life of fakery

>>8259442

>clinging to obsolete tech
>fetishizing the smells of processed dead trees
>slowing mankind down

>>8259432
>>8259416
>a set of books, articles, etc., that involve the same group of characters or the same subject
This implies that only the characters or subject are continuous within a set of separate stories, but in BotNS there are no real endings or beginnings with the novels. Maybe Aramini will weigh in and tell us what Wolfe's intentions were.

>>8259442
>fake books
E-Books are fantastic. Even used paper books aren't cheap if you can read with any speed (Finishing a 1500+ page trilogy in about a week/ week and a half). My local library also has a shitty selection of SFF. It took me about 50 pages to get used to reading them after I found my preferred text size and spacing. I just use my phone, but I'm going to buy an E-Ink reader soon.The only people who don't like E-books are the ones who haven't actually tried to read them.

Final novel of Kingkiller chronicle when?

>>8259505
>liking Rothfuss
Lad...

>>8259494
>The only people who don't like E-books are the ones who haven't actually tried to read them.
Nah, I've tried both and still prefer treeware. Ebooks are good for certain things, like if the physical version is expensive/hard to find, or when you're traveling though.

>>8259494
...but I hate technology anon.

>>8259180
GRI is alive and well, we'll probably get "15 days since Great Ordeal," and Orphans of Chaos is promising.

>>8257339
Chronicles of Amber series. Roger Zelazny.

>>8259485
It's literally one book split into 4 parts for publishing, Wolfe didn't need to intend anything specific for it to be so.

>>8259578

Are you posting on 4chan via smoke signals produced by your Shoshone witch doctor?

>>8259608
No, I'm going to stop doing TGO posts once the book is actually out.

It was fun while it lasted though

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>>8259333

>>8259710
>someone took time out of their day to edit a Jurassic park poster
This is truly sad.

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I'm looking for something like The Stormlight Archive and Kingkiller Chronicles. Already read Mistborne, although I haven't read Brands of Mourning yet.

Tried to get into Malazan books but I'm in book 2 and I'm just not feeling it. The story is good, but there's no real gripping characters.

pls

>>8259730
>Mappo and Icarium aren't gripping
>Kalam isn't gripping
>Felisin isn't gripping

>>8259797

Felisin gives me the howling fantods.

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Has any fantasy novel surpassed Dark Souls for depth of lore, atmosphere, characters or memes?

>>8259797
I'm really not feeling it. Maybe the books don't lend themselves well to being audiobooks.

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>>8259802
Is that an empty suit of armour?

>>8259802
no fantasy novel has better boss fights than dark souls

prove me wrong

>pro tip: you cant

>>8259810
You don't have to marathon it. I started malazan in 2012, finished book 10 last year. I just read other shit to refresh then read Malazan when there was a lull.

>>8259833
Well then my book recommendation request seems pretty apt and appropriate then.

>>8259824
>fruitless with an earlier attempt at gathering information, our hero tries a new tactic to get what he need
>what he doesn't realize that we aren't /v/ who fall for such tripe as reverse psychology

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>>8259839
>something like The Stormlight Archive and Kingkiller Chronicles
You could see if there is anything that catches your eye from pic related...
Add iron dragon's daughter, hull 3 zero to it.

>>8259864
This is a troll chart for anyone new, you can safely ignore it.

>>8259864
I could get tons of empty recommendations on goodreads, but fantasy is such a broad genre that I'd rather ask here for some specific recommendations.

>>8259877
It isn't a troll chart, the author is genuinely retarded

>>8259880
Your request was empty. Just check the OP or actually write what you want.

>>8259730

Wheel Of Time.

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>>8259877
>>8259883
Alternative one here

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>>8259877
Seen as you have such superior tastes why don't you make a chart and show us what we should all be reading?

>>8259884
>something like The Stormlight Archive and Kingkiller Chronicles.

>>8259914
Something like.. a fantasy book? Check the OP.

>>8259802
No.

>>8259918
Do you also recommend people to watch WALL-E if they liked The Matrix? Both are Sci-Fi.

>>8259730
Try reading Lies of Locke Lamora.

>>8259704
I'm a self-loathing technophile.

How does the Witcher series compare to ASoIaF? Obviously asoiaf is bigger, but are they comparable in terms of plot? Want to read the books before playing the game.

>>8259958
Don't bother, game is better.

>>8259936
>>8259887
Thanks.

>>8259958
Read the two short story compilations. Then play the games.

Avoid the main series.

>>8259984
>>8260006
Thanks, I'm 100 pages into the first compilation and i find it interesting enough, but not good enough for the praise the series earned. Guess it's more about the games.

Anyone read God Stalk by Hodgell? Blurb sounds interesting.

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This was a good science fiction from Robert Silverberg, 1970. A former colonial administrator returns to an Earth-like planet, years after decolonisation, to atone for past transgressions involving a race of wise elephant-like beings. Lots of stuff about forgiveness, the soul, wisdom and spirituality in here, and written well.

Someone tell me something about Catherynne M. Valente. Her fairy tale esque books look interesting

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Are there any space operas that /sffg/ would reccomend? Any with a first person narrative?

>>8260137
GOLDEN SON
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>>8260144
read it and quite liked it, actually the reason I'm asking

>>8260197
Are you familiar with the gospel of John C. Wright?

Found one of the Riftwar books in my room, murder in La Mut, no idea where I got it from but I've never read anything from Silverberg before, is he and Riftwar worth giving a look into?

>>8260094
I've got Radiance on the backburner, haven't started it yet because when I flipped through it, it was pretty much entirely written in the form of journal entries.

>>8260223
Nope, just that he wears a fedora. What's his best scifi?

>>8260137
Book of the Long Sun

>>8260296
Golden Age trilogy. Excellent blend of archaic and futuristic elements. Count to the Eschaton is grander in scale but unfinished and not as focused.

Up became down

Down became up

>>8258445
>>8258517

I read the entire trilogy mostly because I bought the whole set in one go.

It reads like a airport-novel fantasy from the 80s. Or a lot worse Deathgate Cycle.
It's totally forgettable.
The author is retarded (check him out on reddit if you want to)

There were worse things I've read so yeah. If you want to you can, don't go out of your way to do it though.

>>8260433
>Deathgate Cycle
There's a series that crapped the bed. The first four books were really, really good, the Sartan/Patryn conflict in post-apocalypse botched utopia was super interesting, but the more we learned about the Labyrinth and the magic system the dumber it got.

>>8260227
Riftwar is okay, but I haven't read that one. Did you mean Joel Rosenberg (the co-author)? Guardians of the Flame is decent.

Managed to get 60% into the name of the wind. Does this donkey shit get any better? The main character is going to make me kill myself.

>>8260508
No it doesn't, it only gets worse

>>8260551
Fug. Heard he fucks a goddess to death at some point, is this true?

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>>8260563
>fucks a goddess to death

>>8260563
No he meets a goddess who fucks people to death, but he's so good at sex, despite being a virgin, so she lets him go so he can show other women how good at sex he is

>>8260348
Thanks, will check it out

>>8260598
Not quite as cancerous but still cancer.

>>8260642
It is complete garbage

>>8260462

That's the one, I think I may have a standalone novel or something but you seem to need to be familiar with lore and the universe. I should probably hunt down the original trilogy.

>>8260669
Yeah, it's newer. Read Magician to see if you like Feist.

>>8259900
>posting this jumbled shit
>unironically suggested people read chuck tingle
You're just as bad, if not worst. At least the "special" chart anon believes in his work, your chart looks like you are genuinely trying to troll.

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>>8260077

>>8260629
There wasn't any malice on his part.

>>8260758
>looks like you are genuinely trying to troll.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

What's the best "SJW" fantasy/sci fi book?

I want to be enlightened atm

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>>8260758
>Rec twenty fairly well-regarded books and nobody cares
>Tack on one obvious joke at the end and EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS

I really enjoy Stanislaw Lem. What other sci fi would I enjoy based on this? Some of the only american sci fi i could ever stomach was Dan Simmons Hyperion. Even most of what's considered core - or good - sci fi I don't consider particularly interesting on the prose level.

>>8260855
Check the selected favorites chart in the OP.

>>8260855
Strugatsky brothers maybe?

>>8260821
The Fifth Season.

>>8260821
Crown of Cold Silver

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>>8259429
Wayne, my man. I'd read an entire trilogy about my boy Wayne.

>>8260855
Roadside picnic

>>8259324
No story. Just first person shit. In before "my stylin's."

>>8260905
Please answer >>8258723

>>8260923
>Severian didn't quickly head to his destination for a denouement
>must not be a story
I bet you didn't even pick up on the Christian stuff.

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>>8260926
Pretty sure Susebron doesn't know who Hoid is, and Hoid can change his appearance anyhow.

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The Halo series is actually quite good. Before you ask, yes, I mean the one made after the games. Don't poke fun though; they are very entertaining and well written for a video game adaptation.

>>8259169
>I used to love Asimov but I can't stand his writing anymorE

Why? Just curious, since Asimov's my favorite SF author so far, even if his prose is kinda simple.

>>8257339
>>What's your favorite edition or set of SFF books?

always preferred stand-alone stories over editions but I did devour every Stainless Steel Rat novel as a YA/teen, back when I was reading the most SFF, The protag really appealed to me.

I haven't read mistborn, but is the fact that there's a massive time skip a spoiler. My sister likes Mistborn and isn't aware of the skip, but I don't what to tell her if that's going to spoil something.

>>8259141
McCarthy was right though.

>>8260923
Behead those who insult prose.

>>8261069
Yes it is.

>>8260993
>Hoid can change his appearance anyhow.
Did he suck up breaths too? That is the only place I know that can change appearance.
Unless he is an illusionist like "tell me a truth" grill.

>>8261073
I know. Just making fun though.

>>8260993
How did they take nightblood from susebron anyways? That Herald cop who is stiff for rules that is.

>>8260563
>>8260598
neither of these things are true. i didnt like the book either, but you dont need to just lie about shit

>>8261144
But it is true... she "loves a guy to death" what do you think that means? When she steals you, and fucks you, you get addicted to the pussy, you don't want to leave... which makes it more questioning how Kvothe escaped.

As a virgin when he stuck it in her he was suppose to be sprung, unless he is actually gay.

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>>8261069
Somewhat. Mistborn is planned to be three trilogies (Era 2 makes this at least four trilogies now) but most people knew this beforehand so it isn't a huge spoiler really.

>>8261094
Hoid is a Lightweaver, among other things. Although he uses original Lightweaving since he's from Yolen, as opposed to the Lightweaving found on Roshar.

>>8261139
lolwat
Your information is all wonky.

Vasher had Nightblood. Susebron never touched Nightblood. We don't know why Vasher gave up Nightblood which is why I'm so aggravated we don't have the Warbreaker sequel yet.

What are some of the best solo fantasy novels in the last few months? Please no epic fantasy, it's just not my thing

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>>8258637

>>8261298
>epic fantasy
>solo
You're fine

>>8261440
Whats coming out?

>>8261456
Sorweel winning the Serwabowl

>>8261477
>Sorweel
>cucked by Kellhus
>cucked by that crazy earth goddess
>cucked by Moenghus Jr.
>winning anything other than the cuckbowl

>>8261256
>original Lightweaving since he's from Yolen
What is "original lightweaving"?

>>8261256
>Vasher had Nightblood. Susebron never touched Nightblood
Who created nightblood? Vasher or susebron?
I thought the guy that created nightblood was on Roshar teaching sword play, hence why I asked how he would react to hoid.

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>>8261526
The form of Lightweaving that originated on Yolen.

>>8261530
Vasher did. Vasher and a deceased friend of his. Have you not read Warbreaker? Vasher is not Susebron.

>>8261576
So who is on Roshar then?
Vasher never let that sword go out of his sights for long. That is why I'm confused, and for all I remember vasher met hoid.


Did you ever read son of the blacksword? I think that is nightblood in that book.

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>>8261613
Vasher is on Roshar. Vasher is Zahel.

>>8260855
Strugatsky
Strugatsky
Strugatsky

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>mfw finishing The Tale of the Student and his Son

Goddamn, this must be my favorite part of the story so far. Which is kinda silly, considering how simple it is when compared to all that happened so far.

>>8260758
>unironically
Pretty sure it's in the Bonus category for a reason, you joyless creature.

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>>8261668
>thought the story was supposed to be some deep metaphor
>look up analysis in wolfe newsgroup years later
>it was just a series of wordplay jokes

>>8261477
Poor Sorwheelanon

I wonder how deluded you have to be to think this. All Dunyain must be removed.

How are children of hurin and unfinished tales by tolkien?
I've recently read hobbit/lotr/silmarillion and am looking for more.

>>8261736
thats why i say people seriously overthink Wolfe, just go with the ride

That anon who wanted a speculative fiction general, it's a pretty good idea at the moment, these threads are fucking shitholes by now.

>>8261761
>children of hurin

it's great

basically the long version of turin's story from silmarillion

>>8261842

They would be better if Bakker anon, modern chart anon and Sandersonfags would just fuck off back to plebbit where they belong. Also Rothfuss fans.

>inb4 dino

No, I like modern fantasy, just not shit modern fantasy.

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>>8261792

>>8257418
Clans of the alphane moon

>>8261850
What modern fantasy do you like?

>>8261850
Pretty much, but we are at the point of no return.
They metastasized.

>>8261850
There is nothing wrong with PoN or SA.

What do you guys think of PhilippJosé farmer? Read a few when I was a teen but pretty quickly got bored.

>>8261857

Swanwick, Guy Gavriel Kay, Jeff VanDerMeer, Tim Powers, hell even China Mieville sometimes.

>>8261889
Thanks.

>>8261842
>>8261850
All you idiots have to do is post what you want to post.

>>8261917

>hey guys what do you think of [good book]?
>chirping sounds

>kellhus memes huehuehue cucking le ebin ordeal
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>>8261926
Sounds like the "good" book is actually terrible and you're jealous of actual good books getting discussion.

>>8261926
So there it is, nobody has read what you're talking about.

Perhaps you can frame it in such a way that people do want to read it? Thats exactly what happened with Bakker in these threads.

>>8261936
>Thats exactly what happened with Bakker in these threads

I thought what happened is it got spammed and memed to death until people were so sick of it they actually started reading it to get it over with.

>>8261947
Call it whatever you want, but we both agree the key factor is exposure.

If you're not open talking about the work and encouraging others to read it (as opposed to just expecting 2-3 anons to have already read it), then naturally you'll hit a dead end.

>>8261955
Yeah, I mainly come here to have people persuade me into reading something they think is amazing. I like it when people get enthusiastic about something.

>>8261955
>If you're not open talking about the work and encouraging others to read it

I tried it with Iron Dragon's Daughter and people called me shill even though I wasn't the actual shill, there were at least two of us.

But I guess you're right.

Ok boys we'll need new charts for spec fic, one should be enough, what should be on it?
Author wise, Wolfe, Le Guin, Tolkien, Peake, Dunsay, Delany, Dick, Meme C. Wright, Lem, Ishiguro, Chesterton, continue the list with what I'm forgetting.

>>8261997
We really don't.

>>8262003
I didn't ask you, fuck off

>>8262006
No, you fuck off.

>>8261947
1 post per thread hardly counts as spamming

>>8257704

It's good scifi ruined by boring writing. Made me give up on series after the first book.

>>8261761
Unfinished Tales is pretty good. Definitely worth it if you're after more Middle Earth action.

>>8261947
Bakker didn't get mentioned all that much until recently as we draw closer to release date.

Well, if said Bakker anon is around, can he give me a recommendation--should I read Bakker? It's been recommended to me before.

I'm the Jordan fan that everybody hates, I like obscenely long epic fantasy with in-depth worldbuilding.

>>8262207
There's only 6 books as of tomorrow but the world building certainly has a lot of depth.

>>8262207
Malazan is even more bloated with muh worldbuilding than WoT, so try that.

I have less hope of a decent conversation every time I come here, but here goes:

I just finished what's written so far of the Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks. It's not terrible. If you got turned off to him by Night Angel, I recommend you give this a chance--Night Angel was always meant to be YA, this is not.

The prose is not especially good, and in some places it's downright choppy, but the background and worldbuilding is quite good, and the plot is consistently interesting and surprising.

>>8262216
Popshit with not a single quality that everyone already knows about.

>>8262216
Why would people read it when the best you can say about it is that it's "not terrible"? You even say it has bad prose. Clearly there are plenty of books which are much better, so why would someone waste their time with a "not terrible" series.

>>8262213
Ok, I think I'll try it. Is the prose at least not awful? It doesn't have to be amazing--I was satisfied with Jordan after all who can be mediocre in some areas--but is it at least all right?

I put the line of how bad is too bad for prose somewhere between Jordan and Sanderson. Loved WoT, was disappointed by Mistborn.

>>8262214
I tried it. I made myself finish the first book to give it a chance, but it wasn't good. The premise of their whole system of gods and their minions having some sort of titled roles that can be filled by different people was very interesting, but everything was rushed and nothing was explained well at all.

>>8262225
>WoT fan calling anything "not good"
ayyy

>>8262225
The prose is fine. Can be a bit purple at times but it fits in with the atmosphere of the books.

>>8262216
>I have less hope of a decent conversation every time I come here
That's been the thread since sanderson and bakkerfags invaded, yes.
>I just finished what's written so far of the Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks. It's not terrible.
Sadly I have not yet read him, or well luckily.
Is he an author I should check out? Expecting at least John C Wright/Michael Swanwick tier of quality?

>>8262232
>Expecting at least John C Wright/Michael Swanwick tier of quality?
lol

He's Sanderson if Sanderson was about 20 times worse.

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>>8261668
>The Tale of the Boy Called Frog
>Gene's face when Squanto

>>8262225
Malazan is notorious that the first book is nigh-unreadable.
It gets better after that.

Dropped it a while back though, just like Asoiaf and wot.

I don't have time for that escapist world building.

Just get Bradbury's Martian Chronicles or Martin the Warrior.

>>8262225
>everything was rushed and nothing was explained well at all.
That was intentional. Books 2-6 are very good, then he starts losing it with his self-indulgence. It's up to you, but if you like worldbuilding, then Malazan is for you.

>>8262237
Well, fuck. Thanks for the warning.

Why does everyone bitch about Sanderson on this board? His writing is at least consistent, and sometimes even good. Are you guys so shit at reading that taking a week or two to read a decent story (read: trilogy) that doesn't have the best prose is the end of the world? There are many downright awful writers in the realm of genre fiction, and i don't think Sanderson is one. Just get over this Sanderson hate, and accept that people read SFF for fun.

>>8262256
His Stormlight Archive is good, rest not so much. There's a couple people here who have a strong hate for escapist fiction, they're just the vocal minority.

>>8262224
I said it clearly. Interesting plot. If you're looking for something deep and complex to read to make you feel like you have superior tastes to everyone, don't bother. If you want to follow a long, interesting plot and admire a detailed background and world, it's a pretty good choice. The prose is just a sort of vehicle to convey the story, it doesn't need to be a work of art on its own. I just said the series is "not terrible" because many people here start off with the conception that it is.

>>8262232
I haven't read those--I'm not really into SF--but I'm gonna say don't bother. I haven't read Bakker, Weeks is better than Sanderson but if you are one of those people that claims the fans of both ruined the thread you probably won't like it.

Weeks is basically Sanderson without Sanderson's mistakes that made him suck--like what would happen if Sanderson took some good criticism and learned from it. If you still wouldn't read that, don't read Weeks.

>>8262256
>consistent
Not a compliment unless he's exceptional, which he is not.

>decent
So you admit it's not great, that there's a lot better.

>for fun
>I read inferior works for fun
Unless you have read all the great works you know of, why are you throwing away time with works you consider inferior?

>There are many downright awful writers in the realm of genre fiction
Writers who should be forgotten, and they will be.

>and i don't think Sanderson is one
Mediocrity in a sea of mediocrity.
Being above average is not a compliment considering the average is not worth one's time any way.

Your justification is off, you admit that there's better yet you read it for "fun".

>>8262264
SA is better than anything Weeks has ever wrote or will ever write.

>>8262265
That's what I don't understand, Sanderson is trash and there are so many great fun novels in sff, why would you chose to read thousands of pages of mediocrity?

>>8262265
There's barely anything better in the fun department.

>>8262269
List them then. Pro tip: Moorcock and Leiber aren't fun for most people, they're dated.

>>8262237
It's interesting that you say that, because I thought the exact opposite. You're not talking about Night Angel are you?

The first thing I noticed about it was that it was like Sanderson, but better. Similar extremely detailed magic system with very specific rules, but Weeks was less annoying about explaining it. I got the feeling that Sanderson took every excuse to show off the magic system he designed--Weeks not so much. And Weeks put more detail into the various countries and cultures, I always appreciate that.

>>8262270
>fun
There's that word again.

If you're bothered that people are bitching on Sanderson's works and you start reacting to it at least explain what's so "fun" about it.

So far you've said there's better.
You've said the text doesn't flow naturally ("doesn't have the best prose")

So why are you reading it?

You haven't given one reasonable reason why you're reading his works.

>>8262256
I don't get why Sanderson is seen as trash here when poopoopeepee shit like The Prince of Nothing gets a free pass.

>>8260508

Second book is much worse, Just drop it if you don't enjoy it

>>8262277
I'm not the first guy.

>So why are you reading it?
For the plot. SA has a slow start but the second half of his books come together in a very satisfying way. He's good at conclusions and climaxes in general.

Jesus Christ Simmons has a huge boner for poetry doesn't he.

Give me more FORCE:
The Muslim general lads story was cool if incredibly confusing.
The Christian parasite was bizarre but intriguing.

Currently about to starting poets tale. Does Hyperion keep itself going like Dune, or does it fizzle out like the Foundation trilogy?

>>8262298
It kinda falls apart. Read the Fall of Hyperion and don't even think about the next installment.

>>8261850
Chart anon here, I never used reddit, I don't even know how to go about that site. And I've been on 4chens since 2007. Why don't you take your newfag normie ass back where you came from?

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>>8261889
>>8261926
You sound like a dino that has been marinated in brine too long.

>>8261963
But you got me to read it anon, and now I shill it whenever I post my chart.

>>8262494
I got you to read it though

>>8262497
Which is a shame, because it's now associated with the moron

>>8262006
>address the general
>i didn't ask you
You smell like a pretentious elitist who saw the success of our general and is jealous. No one wants to discuss your shit in outer lit, so you are trying to hijack our general to suit you.

I bet you're an Americlap, this smells of high school mentality.

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>>8262265
The dinosaurs are back.

>>8262533
>You're either with Sanderson or you're a dino
The only reason I think you're al right is the 16:10 aspect ratio of your pic.

>>8262503
I addressed the few who don't garbage taste.

>>8262542
>The only reason I think you're al right

For a moment I read that as "the only reason I think you're ALT right" and was sure it was going to be followed by "is because you think in terms of either/or". Silly me.

It is stupid to think that if you dislike some modern authors then you're a dinosaur, but then again dino anon is utterly retarded so it all checks out.

>>8262542
>>You're either with Sanderson or you're a dino
this mentality is pretty much what made the thread shit

but I guess the so-called Dino's didnt do themselves any favors by acting like pretentious cocks. There can be harmony if the focus is on the works themselves instead of dickwaving.

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>>8262553
>There can be harmony

>>8262564
You must believe.

>>8262569

been here since 2008 son, this site is many things but a place of harmony it is not.

>>8262298
>keep itself going like Dune, or does it fizzle out like the Foundation trilogy

I think you got that backwards, m8.

>>8262572
We'll have to make it so

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>>8262256
Welcome to 4chan, friend, where the majority of posters are literal underage children and cannot comprehend somebody having an opinion which differs from theirs regarding any conceivable subject.

>>8262265
>throwing away time
I don't feel that way though. If a book is trash, I don't read it. Sometimes your read for the story (Sanderson) and sometimes you read for the Prose (Robin Hobb). For example Swordbearer by Glen Cook had awful prose and was full of cliches but I enjoyed it nonetheless (although I wouldn't have read the book if it was longer).

>>8262277
>You haven't given one reasonable reason why you're reading his works
If fun is not a reasonable reason to you, I don't know what else to tell you. Why do you read the books you read? I am by no means saying Sanderson is the greatest, or that I only read his books (hence the concession that some people find the prose meh). I fully accept that different people have different tastes. But, If he is so awful, who in your opinion is so much better that his works look like shit by comparison?

>>8262298
>Does Hyperion keep itself going

All the stories eventually tie together and run towards the climax in Fall of Hyperion. It's good.

Don't read the Endymion series though. It's garbage.

>>8258445
If you like edgy books you will love it. It is about as edgy as possible.

>>8262619
I don't say you need a reason to enjoy something.

But when you're posting on a discussion board you better be able to explain why.
So far you've given exactly 0 reasons why you like Sanderson, you posted on a board for discussions around literature yet you don't want to support any of your arguments.

You want to discuss things, otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. If you don't want to discuss you should start a blog.
The discussion was started when you made a post where you tried to defend that you're reading Sanderson.
So far you've given only given non-reasons.

Why are you posting if you can't bother defending your opinions?
What are you doing on a discussion board?

And I'll repeat myself, you don't need a reason to like anything.
But when you start a discussion you should be able to explain why otherwise a proper discussion is simply impossible.

>>8262632
I said I read for the story, and the prose is adequate in delivering that story. Reading the story is fun. Following the exploits of the characters is fun. Maybe you dislike books in general because you struggle with reading comprehension and interpreting subtext. My posts are clear in communicating these ideas.
>0 reasons
I stated pretty clearly that the main reason I read his stories is for entertainment.
If a fun story. That is the only justification I should need to make.
>I don't say you need a reason to enjoy something
But that is exactly how you acting. You are either a sad person, or an 2edgy4me teenager who hates anything that is popular.

Now, since you seem to want a discussion, please tell me why he is trash, and who is so much better by comparison?

>>8262649
You said there was better than Sanderson (since he's merely "decent")
And prose being "adequate" isn't a compliment either.

Imagine you make a recommendation. Yea Sanderson is really good.
And somebody asks why and you respond with "it's fun", that doesn't help anyone.

And don't tell me what to do or I'll ram a knife through your ass.

> Following the exploits of the characters is fun
This is so far the only real reason you've given for liking his books.
That you like the fact that the characters use exploits.
And how many posts did it take?

Saying something is fun (without telling what exactly is fun) is not a reason why you like something.
It's a circular reasoning, I like it because it's fun, it's fun because I read for entertainment, it's entertaining because it's fun etc. etc.

>Following the exploits of the characters is fun
Real reason
You explain what is fun

>it's fun
Non-reason
Doesn't say what's exactly fun.

>>8262676
> don't tell me what to do or I'll ram a knife through your ass
Edgy teenager confirmed.
You can't even answer the questions I asked. I have no need to defend my reasoning because the only reason I gave was entertainment or fun. Are you so pathetic you can't even come up with a reason of your own why he is trash?

>>8262697
You making assumptions based on your own insecurity.

My big problem with post >>8262256 was that you wanted to defend your opinion that you like Sanderson with non-reasons.
If you don't want to defend your opinion, then don't do it and accept that others have a different opinion.

You're the one who can't accept others opinions.

> I have no need to defend my reasoning
You made a post on a discussion board to start a discussion.
If that is not true then that post was a blog post which is against the rules.

>Waaah please stop shitting on Sanderson
>I think his books are fun
You sure convinced everybody right there.

>>8262710 (me)
>that you like Sanderson with non-reasons.
And you could have replaced Sanderson with anyone.

Le Guin, Wolfe, Erikson, Hillary, Hobb etc. etc.
And I would have still called you out on the non-arguments.

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>>8262553
>but I guess the so-called Dino's didnt do themselves any favors by acting like pretentious cocks.
They were the ones who fired the first shots, we had to put up with them shitting on our books. Then we fired back, and they don't like it one bit.

Go in the archives, the first couple threads were great.

Funny how people always have to justify how what they're reading is "superior".

>>8262632
>discussion board
Where do you think you are Professor? Redshit? This is 4chan, we don't come to lit to discuss books, take your self entitled academia shit elsewhere.

Well this thread certainly took a turn for the autistic.

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>>8262697
>Are you so pathetic you can't even come up with a reason of your own why he is trash?
And before you ask my posts >>8262710, >>8262713 again.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with Sanderson his writing, as you said he isn't spectacular but I liked his plot progressions and climaxes.
It's just that I had to drop his works because I started imaging his face on the characters.
That mental image was just too much for me, also every time I turned a page for a moment it was like his face was on the paper.

>>8262723
This is most likely aimed at me.
I did not do that, I merely pointed out that I don't like the "arguments"

But tell me how should I continue reading a book when I start seeing that face turn up in my head and the pages.
It was never the writing that made me drop it.

>>8262729
>we don't come to lit to discuss books
Whut

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>>8262768
>That mental image was just too much for me, also every time I turned a page for a moment it was like his face was on the paper.
This is hilarious, anon.

>>8262812
Even worse if you imagine his voice.

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>>8262826
I don't even know how he sounds and I'm not too keen on changing that.

Does anyone know of any good arabian or egyptian inspired fantasy besides lions of al-rasan?

>>8262944
Tower and knife?

First book is good, but kinda goes downhill after
Throne of the crescent moon was also not too terrible

>>8262944

The Anubis Gates.

Trust me on this, it's good.

>>8262944
Isn't that based on Spain?

>Nynaeve has always been bitchy and obnoxious

>she becomes a good character as soon as she's married to Lan

Was Jordan trying to subtly insinuate that all she needed was a good dicking? I feel like WoT might be a LOT less feminist than what appears at first glance.

>>8262944
I've heard lots of good things about Twelve Kings in Sharakhai by Bradley P. Beaulieu, haven't read it myself yet though.

>>8262976
It is, but he's American, so it's the same thing. Spain, Egypt, Iraq. Same thing, basically. Sand. Hot.

>>8262986

Do Americans really think Spain is a sandy desert-like environment? Jesus fucking Christ.

>>8262993
I was mostly joking and exaggerating, but if I had to guess I'd say many of them actually do. Many probably couldn't even find Spain on a world map.

>>8262977
Literally all the female characters loosen up after getting a good dicking.

Except for Perrin's wife

>>8263063
He should've cucked her desu.