How and why do you continue living if you realize nothing matters,

I don't believe in nihilism but if nothing matters why not live? Both death and live are equally meaningless choices so it's not as if I'm trying to make some grand argument for life, but there's no particular reason to want to either live or die in a real sense.

Because nothing matters

>>8144664
>why do you continue living

Why not?

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Because I enjoy it.

I never understood those guys who shit themselves at the very idea that not everything revolving around their ephemeral little lives (or mankind's, for that matter), take what you get and make it good.

>>8144664
Make something matter

>>8144689
Exactly, dude. Don't sweat the small stuff. When life give you lemons, make lemonade.

>>8144689
Yes, this. I like the world and me existing even if that doesn't have any meaning.

>>8144673
>I don't believe in nihilism but if nothing matters why not live?
Maybe your life is shit? Probably not for /lit/tards who are mostly privileged American college kids who have mommy and daddy pay for everything.

What if you for example actually had to work, but you couldn't find work, and even if you could, it wouldn't pay for a life worth living, what would you do then? Too difficult of a thought exercise or?

>>8144664
You choose what matters to you. Of course your overanalytical tendencies tear it apart. That's why when something sticks with you and you keep caring about it anyway, you know that one matters.

The fact is you're going to keep living so just try to do something interesting instead of wasting it because the idea of uncertainty is scary.

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>science leads to nihilism
I've been thinking about this.

Science can dissect the human brain and map out exactly what it is that sets us apart from animals, and it is probably the pre-frontal cortex. Self-control and planning ability make you human. So if you decrease either or both, does it make you less human?

What if you rely on tools to externalize memory and increase your cognitive processing power? You were doing this anyway. Does it make you "more" human? What if you design all of society around these principles? Will you be helping humans be "more" human, the more they are removed from beasts, even if it means creating a suffocating dystopia as seen in Zamyatin's We?

Does any philosopher talk about this? Hobbes, maybe, while telling us to obey authority? If nothing else, these ideas might be good for creating some knock-off BNW novel.

>>8144802
Science shouldn't lead to nihilism. It should lead to belief in mathematical consistency. That's all. Unless you want to look at things at the quantum level where even that (potentially) falls apart. In which case it could lead you to make of it pretty much anything your imagination wants.

>>8144802
>So if you decrease either or both, does it make you less human?
Of course. Being "human" is not a discrete state, but rather a spectrum. We don't need to concern ourselves with it yet, but with either genetic engineering or advances in AI it may be possible to produce existences of questionable status.
>What if you rely on tools to externalize memory and increase your cognitive processing power? You were doing this anyway. Does it make you "more" human?
That's a question of definitions. I would argue that, as long as human is well-defined, doing this will make one less human as well.
>What if you design all of society around these principles?
I seriously doubt that there will be anything resembling human society if we go far enough from "human"
>Does any philosopher talk about this?
Lem, probably. I can't remember any particular work, maybe Golem XIV, and a little bit here and there in Cyberiad.

>>8144815
Nihilism, as in "no highest meaning", is basically what science tells us. That life as we know it, as well as our minds, are the emergent products of certain complex physical phenomena based on very simple rules. You don't even need to get to quantum level for this.

>>8144815
Man, I can't design a dystopia around quantum physics.

Unless maybe it involves a cult that worships uncertainty, while forcing everyone to assist in the construction of giant particle accelerators.

>>8144832
>Lem

Excellent suggestion, thanks!

>>8144843
You're right. I was using nihilism like "Nothing can be known for sure." My mistake. In any case though, science does not disprove any religious or metaphysical pretense. It just elaborates what such a theory would have to include and account for.

>>8144843
that's not what nihilism means

>>8144849
Cult of chaos. interesting.

>>8144849
>I can't design a dystopia around quantum physics.
It may be possible to design a dystopia around multiverse, starting from Everett interpretation of QM and supplying it with certain physically-consistent possibilities of travel between universes (I once encountered a David Deutsch's article about closed timelike curves acting as gates between universes, it needs further thought to be used in a novel though). Multiverse should be "realistic", of course, not the usually used timelint bullshit, and with all the philosophical consequences of "everything happening at once". Most importantly, breakdown of any motivation.

Too bad I can't write for good.

>>8144855
What does it mean then?

>>8144888
>nihilism
>no highest meaning

You are literally retarded.

>>8144664
Realize that things do matter. It's called maturity.

Any fully developed mind that has experienced the gamut of human experience can tell you without doubt that suffering really fucking matters. And that developing the self, intimate bonds with others, helping people flourish is all deeply meaningful.

Once you stop being an edge Lord and pursue the truth more diligently, and with courage(this is what prevents most people from escaping teenage relativism and nihilism ), you'll see there is plenty of meaning in life.

And even if there wasn't, just living to say fuck that is fun.

>>8145694
Also, even when life is shit, we are programed to keep living.

That's the curse of life.

So pick your poison newbie OP.

>>8144682
THIS IS THE KEY, "NOTHING" IS THE TRUTH THAT IS NOT REPRESENTED IN OUR LANGUAGE AND SENSE OF REALITY, FIND THE NOTHING AND YOU'LL FIND THE TRUTH. NOTHING MATTERS

>>8144769
I'm not him, and I'm not really a nihilist, but I'm in that situation and if you assume that nihilism is the default mentality of this condition, I think it depends on how far you take your nihilism.

If there's absolutely no meaning to anything, then even your inevitably shitty living conditions and your emotional responses to them mean nothing, and from that it follows that they're also worthless as motivations for doing or not doing things. After that everything that does or doesn't happen just becomes an entirely random flip of the coin. Of course this is assuming you can overcome your human self-preservation and pain-aversion instincts, which is obviously a huge assumption to make.

>>8144664
if i'm here, i might as well do something with it

>>8144688
This.

The idea that a lack of mattering would logically result in suicide is unwarranted.

>>8145694
>Realize that things do matter. It's called maturity.
They don't and it's not. The human brain has evolved to create patterns where none exist.

>>8144664
>nothing matters

love matters

>>8144664
Id rather be getting my dick licked, anon. You should try it.

>>8145757
no, it's evolved to recognize patterns. This includes actual patterns and facts about reality as well as inventing patterns where none exist. This isn't even unique to humans, look up superstitious pigeons.

Because I want to accumulate riches and make the people I don't like miserable.

let the jews handle it. start over. 2nd times the charm

>>8145738
>>If there's absolutely no meaning to anything, then even your inevitably shitty living conditions and your emotional responses to them mean nothing
But if you're in better living conditions, you can engage in some of the "answers" to nihilism such as hedonism, creativity, etc.

>>8145757
See >>8145789


Also it's way more than patterns. Suffering is not a pattern, it's a feeling. And when you see others feel it too, you recognize our commonality and that drives meaningful action. Among other things.

This is almost as retarded as the "if god doesn't exist, then everything goes" people.

>>8144698
that's the spirit

The idea that nihilism should be depressing is funny. "Nothing matters!" In what sense? "Ultimately!" So the fuck what? Are you religious? Do you need a promise of eternal life to get dressed in the morning? You affect everything around you constantly, and experience it all the time. Why the hell would you need any greater justification for existing, considering the alternative is literal nothingness? You live as long as you're enjoying it or finding it interesting, and then die. The word "meaning" has no place in the equation.

>>8145763

you mra

>>8144664
>How and why continue living?
Why not?

I'm not a little pussy who ends it all because i'm having a bad time.

>>8144664
Answers?! What?!

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>>8144664
There is no answer. Over a long period of time we have became Irish Elk. It is ridiculous. Suicidal depression is just a normal reaction to this horrowshow. Everyone is miserable, really. Think about it. Some people just have better illusions. All great men have echoed this idea, unlike the YOLO fags in this thread. All major philosophies are negative (apart from Ayn Randism and overmanism) and have the starting point of "life is terrrible, let's fix it/hope for a better afterlife." The best philosophies and religions have been about ending this terrible life/rebirth cycle once and for all.

>Imagine a number of men in chains, all under sentence of death, some of whom are each day butchered in the sight of the others; those remaining see their own condition in that of their fellows, and looking at each other with grief and despair await their turn. This is an image of the human condition.

I see no hope unless you can do religion, which I have nothing against.

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The answer is to embrace a nihilistic religion, like Christianity. I loved reading pic related. It expresses a lot more hatred of this wretched life than Cioran and his buddies.

>>8144664
By seeking knowledge and experience to affirm the ordinary life, just like every other human does.

Get over it pal

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>what is my answer

sometimes it is fun

Yes, there is no meaning in anything you do, thus might as well just try to get satisfaction from banal stuff, such as having sex with a lot of women. Your life will always be meaningless, but at least you would have had the fucked mad pussy. Also, i strongly believe that sex is the cure to all, i'm serious, try it out.

Become an Absurdist.

>>8144698
Lemonade is disgusting.

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>>8144802

for the lulz obviously

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>>8146604

>>8146485
yes my goy, spend your time and energy earning money then spend your time, energy and money to be noticed by a few girls so that they let you try to make them cum, like they let dozens of boys beforehand and they will let dozens afterwards.

jews spics and gooks

Why does it matter that nothing matters? Life does not need an inherent meaning. You can make one for it yourself.

>>8146723
So just go live in a cave and pretend this is how it's supposed to be? Sounds more like insanity to me.

>>8144673
You are alive and will eventually die anyway. Just experience the ride for the sheer vanality of the experience and then die out. You are multiplying by zero but since the result its always the same, just go along, reward the volatility of life with the action of living it.

Dogen Zenji

>>8144664
Life as an artistic excercise.
Living to embody those values and aesthetic choices that you find most appealing.
Stare into the abyss and make friends with it.
Accept that every system of thought that seeks to explain things ultimately exist to assauge the ego of its adherents.
Beliefs and convictions are also clothes.
Wear ones that fit.
Solipsism is for children, consider the opposite.
Making peace with mundanity and a causeless life is the true mysticism.

>>8148625
Sounds like something you have to have money for.

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>>8144664

> What is your answer to nihilism?

In the midst of that night, in my darkness,
I saw the awesome sight of Christ
opening the heavens for me.
And he bent down to me and showed himself to me
with the Father and the Holy Spirit
in the thrice holy light --
a single light in three, and a threefold light in one,
for they are altogether light,
and the three are but one light,.
And he illumined my soul
more radiantly than the sun,
and he lit up my mind,
which had until then been in darkness.
Never before had my mind seen such things.
I was blind, you should know it, and I saw nothing.
That was why this strange wonder
was so astonishing to me,
when Christ, as it were, opened the eye of my mind,
when he gave me sight, as it were,
and it was him that I saw.
He is Light within Light, who appears
to those who contemplate him,
and contemplatives see him in light --
see him, that is, in the light of the Spirit...
And now, as if from far off,
I still see that unseeable beauty,
that unapproachable light, that unbearable glory.
My mind is completely astounded.
I tremble with fear.
Is this a small taste from the abyss,
which like a drop of water
serves to make all water known
in all its qualities and aspects?...
I found him, the One whom I had seen from afar,
the one whom Stephen saw
when the heavens opened,
and later whose vision blinded Paul.
Truly, he was as a fire in the center of my heart.
I was outside myself, broken down, lost to myself,
and unable to bear the unendurable brightness of that glory.
And so, I turned
and fled into the night of the senses.

I can't go on, I'll go on.

Nihilism doesnt matter

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>>8144664
Literally just fucking around. Nothing matters man.

I'm not a hedonist because thinks are only fun if you do them in moderation (for me a least), but really I'm just here to enjoy things, hard work is enjoyable too and if makes the pleasures seem better if you contrast them with things that are difficult but rewarding.

And yes, things can still be very rewarding, not because they have intrinsic value, but specifically because of the effort you put into them.

This reminds me of that one Superman cover. A woman asks superman if he loves her, and supes responds with "it's a meaningless question, but, I suppose not".

>>8148647
>Literally just fucking around.
See >>8148634

>>8148634
True, what I said becomes relevant only after survival needs are meet (salved with money).
But it doesn't take alot of money.
For example, I work as a medic in my country's territorial army equivalent, and when I am home I move boxes in a warehouse part time. I volunteer for tours as often as they'll let me and save all I can while deployed. I have been careful to avoid leases, loans, mortages and marriage. I drive rental cars while in my home country.
This mode of living works for me. If it is in line with your values too I reccomend it.

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>>8148680

Everything is fine. As long as you aren't driven to use your consciousness as a weapon to inflict pain or trauma on other consciousnesses.

>>8148695
Sounds great, wish I could do something like that. Too bad I'm in the third world and have absolutely no prospects in life.

>>8148702
Much respect, I acknowledge not everyone plays life on the same difficulty level.
It is good though you are on the internet, if nothing else you have access to a large audience and limitless infromation.
I'm not the best advisor but there are resources availible, some even on this site.
The world has a place for you anon.

>>8148752
Yeah, it does, and that place is to be here and do my best to be economically exploited so that the better countries may prosper so much that they just hand out free money to people. What a wonderful place it is.

>>8148694
Well then get a job and try to make money, now you have a something to work towards. If you can't get a job then work on being able to get one. If you're no able to work on being able to get a job then work on being able to be able to work on getting a job and so ad infinitum.

As soon as you have something to work on then you did it. People who are starving to death want food, not meaning.

>>8148791
But when you already realize it's all meaningless (and I have to inform you that this realization doesn't go away with your finances), AND you're in a shit position, how do you make yourself accept that you have to work hard to even get the slightest chance of getting to the lowliest possible position in "the real world" and why?

>>8148774
Do you live in Africa or SE Asia?

goddamn, the lengths you pathetic virgins will go to to defend being worthless and achieving nothing.

interested in thread. more content like this please.

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>>8144802
send me your goodreads name
f a m

human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism. Becker argues that a basic duality in human life exists between the physical world of objects and a symbolic world of human meaning. Thus, since humanity has a dualistic nature consisting of a physical self and a symbolic self, we are able to transcend the dilemma of mortality through heroism, by focusing our attention mainly on our symbolic selves. This symbolic self-focus takes the form of an individual's "immortality project" (or causa sui), which is essentially a symbolic belief-system that ensures oneself is believed superior to physical reality. By successfully living under the terms of the immortality project, people feel they can become heroic and, henceforth, part of something eternal; something that will never die as compared to their physical body. This, in turn, gives people the feeling that their lives have meaning, a purpose, and are significant in the grand scheme of things.

arbitrariness of human-invented immortality projects makes them naturally prone to conflict. When one immortality project conflicts with another, it is essentially an accusation of 'wrongness of life', and so sets the context for both aggressive and defensive behavior. Both parties will want to "prove" their belief-system is superior, a better way of life.

Are you happy with the conclusion that nothing matters? Then why not try to make yourself happy. Isn't that your biological impulse anyways?

>>8144802
>planning ability
Apes can do it too.

>>8148837
And that's why you defy it by being a virgin NEET piece of shit who will never leave the basement.

>>8144664
I wish merely to exist within a beautiful environment which I am ever constructing for myself.

A qtπ girl is welcome to join me in my utopian fantasy world.

>>8148799
Because killing yourself is as pointless as anything else, so just go out and enjoy life; you don't have to be super rich to enjoy things.

Life's meaninglessness should be an invitation to do exactly what you want and if you are in a bad position then you can work to get to a position where you can do things you really want to do.

Why do people play games with their friends when even non-nihilist see that it's pointless? Working towards something is fun, don't take life so seriously, and of course, killing yourself is always an option if things get really unbearable.

>>8148838

It not matter. Happy or not happy.

You guys are literally a bunch of faggots
not the good kind

>>8148844
Your hostility supports his argument.
I hope that was your intention.
Otherwise you have embarassed and exposed yourself as a bitter, unfulfilled person.

>>8148849
>you don't have to be super rich to enjoy things.
Yet you still have to have enough money not to be suicidally worried 24/7.

>>8148873
On the contrary. It's impossible I have not achieved more than all of you put together. When I was a teen I went through this philobullfaggotry and decided I had a choice to make: become a NEET, lay down and let the inherent absence of meaning in Life fuck me raw or make something of myself.
Fast forward to 26, finished my Masters' degree, got a respectable amount of money for financial security, great relationship with my parents, a couple of tight mates and a fiance I swear was tailor made for me and who shares my values. The best part is knowing I made it all happen and achieved what I wanted. Defined the meaning I wanted my life to have and got to it.

>>8148854
It does though, because your entire reality is based on your perception of it. Everything is completely different when you are happy.
The entire universe as it is too you changes with your mood. You can dismiss it all you want as "chemicals in brain" or whatever but it doesn't change the way it appears to you. Go do some drugs or talk to a therapist. When you are happy nihilism will not matter to you at all; not in a self deception kind of way either.

Imagine the way you can't possibly imagine how anyone could be OK with existing or doing anything flipped: I can't imagine how anyone could possibly be bothered by things being meaningless or it all being the same.
That's what it's like when you have a different attitude. You'll never understand until you see the other side and since all things are the same, why not try for some help to experience it?

>>8148891
And I find satisfaction stacking boxes and adminstering medical care in austere conditions.
We have both found a path that is accomodating.
Ultimately these ideas of value boil down to conceits that are put on and taken off as easily as clothes.
You and I will both be food for worms, that is an end state common to all.
At which time no conceits held in life will be relevant.

>>8148880
And you can't work to try and get more money? What is your situation like?

>>8148920

Yet, my legacy will live on, in my children, the people I save by being a doctor, the value to society I bring with my clinic, etc.
Your way of thinking is that of a fat kid who runs for a few seconds in PE and thinks it's worthless and he's just the same as the guy who takes it seriously and ends getting a college scholarship due to it.

>>8148936
You can't be a doctor with only a master's degree.

>>8148951
Not american, dude. Yes I can. 6 years of college with Integrated Masters'. However, specialties are a whole other can of worms.

Go to the end of the world (your world, not the outside one) in search for meaning, freedom and goodness.

There's no other way.

>>8148964
What is your medical license number?
I'll look you up.

>>8148993
You must know nobody would ever do that, right?

Objectively nothing has meaning, however we possess emotion, and there is no reason not to indulge in that emotion, it is no less 'real' than anything else.

I find the objective lack of meaning freeing. But that's just me.

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>>8148993

>>8148923
You are a naive sheltered child who has no idea what life is in most of the world. And no, you can't pull yourself by your bootstraps most of the time, depending on the cards you've been dealt, you mostly can't do that even in a good country.

>>8144664
If you really think nothing matters then there IS no reason for you to live, and you should just kill yourself.

People who continue living, even if they say they don't believe anything matters, do think something matters. There's something giving them a reason to live. Pleasure, instant gratification, bitterness, whatever.

You're a boring twat if you think nothing matters though. You have no goals or passions then.

>>8149027
Try me.
However I know you're full of shit.
You didn't even know enough to make an easy excuse ex. : "I'm Chinese you can't look me up."
Why would you pretend to be a doctor on the internet? Who are trying to impress?
We don't have names here, we are judged by the quality of our ideas and nothing else.

Mysticism is for patricians who have transcended the philosophy memes.

All that matters is the cessation of suffering.

>>8149052
I don't care what you think. I'm not american (as I said before) and my license number is not something to hand out to randoms who aren't even clients with a good reason to have access to that kind of information. It surprises me that someone who thinks he knows so much as you (lulcantbeducturwithjustmusturs) doesn't know something like that.

This guy >>8149034 is probably right and you're just punching the ol' 'iver.

>>8149041
I was honestly curious about your situation. "suicidally worried 24/7" seems really bad, and you can't find any enjoyment at all? Going for a run in the morning or evening is fun but probably not if you are starving to death. If most people who have internet access are literally starving to death I would be shocked.

I tell myself I bear witness, but the real answer is that it's obviously my programming, and I lack the constitution for suicide.

>>8149075
If you want to assauge your ego and treat life as a competition go to facebook or reddit.
You shit on what was otherwise an interesting conversation.

>>8149075
You do care what that anon thinks, and everbody else here, that's why your posts are all about you you you and how good you are. theres better places to get a pat on the back

>>8149108

I just see NEETS hugboxing other NEETS who will amount to nothing because they don't put in the effort and feel easier to be suicidal wankers. You're right on one account, though, I'm going. Gonna take the fiance out for a walk in the park under the Sun and maybe knock a beer down or two, it's a holiday here.

>>8149118
i hugboxed ur mum last night with my dick lmao

>>8149118
easy to preach at a pulpit my nigga.

>>8149080
>le internet access meme

Yeah, I mean as long as you've got shoes you can do ANYTHIIIIIING.

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Progression is a spook is why; there's no past/present/future to continue living from/in/to. If your answer to nothingness being the "true" mode of reality is to die, i.e. to become nothing, then you are fundamental mistaken about what the postulate means, and are foolishly attempting to "be" "nothing", in an attempt to beat some sort of language game, or be more faithful to this or that idea, for security, which is built around the continuation of a mode of being--but if the only true mode of being is nothing, then what need is there to do something to mantain it?

In fewer words: nothing is not absence; nothing is absolute, absence is codependent with presence; nothing has no dependencies; a thing that isn't, does not exist; nothing is not, nothing doesn't exist.

>>8149300
wtf shut the FUCK up you fucking nerd LOL

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>>8149325
Exactly!

>>8149300
This picture never fails to crack me up.

>>8149118
Resorting to cliched namecalling has no effect on the contemporary NEET. We are economic auto-didacts, selftaught philosophers and gifted visionaries. While others waste their life labouring under the orders of those who see only material cost in life, we pursue leisure above all else, knowing as we do that leisure and time to oneself is the basis of genius. Despite many people disliking the culture and society they help maintain through their work, and despite understanding now that we have only a single life on earth and that any meaning we attribute to it as the result of self-willed or socially-inculcated ideologies, they continue to wake early and trudge to their jobs for one single reason: Guilt. Throughout time religions have taken advantage of Man's guilt, a guilt experienced for no logical reason except that he unlike other animals is a self-aware being whose abstract thoughts conflict with the apparently practical, rational reality he finds himself a part of. We post-guilt NEETs will not bow to internal or external pressures encouraging us to sacrifice our contentment and sensitive dispositions for the sake of attaining money, or womenfolk. We alone stand proudly, detached from but keenly observant of the slave masses who yell at us for not being as unhappy as they are. We alone, we band of true men, defend our right to live a dignified life against those wishing to deprive of us of it. Yes you can mock, you can criticize, you can echo the demands your masters make upon you. But who is likely to regret their lives more? The noble and dignified NEETs who spend their truly precious time reading, pondering, philosophizing and engaging in critical, urgent debate online? Or the miserable, resentful masses, their eyes bloated and sagged by excess folds of skin, their hair falling out and their gums bleeding from stress, their bowels destroyed by a sedentary lifestyle spent at their desks clicking endlessly while their boss breaths down their necks?

>>8149803
I partly agree, but I go to work because I love teaching, I love working with kids, and I love trying to help free people's minds.

Of course I don't like early mornings, and of it was up to me, I'd double the teacher workforce and halve the hours. But I also have time over the summer to write, I still stay fit during the year, etc.

I also bet you spend plenty of time just watching anime instead of developing that genius. Not everyone can just not work, it's a privlige for the rich or disabled or liars. Hopefully soon with automation will come basic income, and then labour will be one of free association and choice.

>>8144664
The world only makes sense if you force it to

>>8144664
"Continue living" is a choice. The sentence "Nothing matters" destroys the argument itself and pretty much can be ignored by someone who is curious for the other day or has hope.There's no how .. rarely there are any significant reasons which justifies "why should I live today? Why I should not kill myself?" . We have pretty much evolved with the intentions of not killing ourselves. The curiosity and hope carries us to the next day, the next year and so on. Well it has to end someday, let's see if not me .. then what will end me. If not today .. let's see when.
Being stoic , nihilistic.. cant stop curiosity. It will bring indifference.

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>>8144698
No, when life gives you lemons create an empire for mankind. Let your life be the stance against nothingness, make it as meaningful as possible. Fight the absurd fuck the system.

>>8152339
>No, when life gives you lemons create an empire for mankind.
Nobody is going to do that. Empire is dead, to a singular empire rotting, let dead and living rot, it won't last anyways.

>Let your life be the stance against nothingness
I can make meaningless statements to. Let my cunt be a stance against dicks.

>Fight the absurd fuck the system.
I agree actually

>>8144664

Nihilism makes statements about a future that hasn't arrived yet. Yes, in the far future, nothing will matter. I fail to see how that's relevant for the present moment, where we act to influence the near future, both of which undoubtedly matter. Nihilism is a disease of foresight.

>>8152346

>Empire is dead
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I mean, if you enjoy the real-world incarnations of Oceania/Eurasia/etc, sure.

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>>8152385
>I mean, if you enjoy the real-world incarnations of Oceania/Eurasia/etc, sure.

Are you serious

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>>8144664
Find a path.

>>8144888
nice trips and your definition is right

Because it's pleasant.

Is this really a difficult question for some people?

>>8154379
No it's fucking not.