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>>7731613
About to start the stars my destination
i haven't been in these thread for a while, what happen?

>>7731613
> Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>>7731613

>What are you currently reading?

The Mote in God's Eye

>How has the recent thread disruptions from off topic posts affected you?

they have upset me greatly

>How do you deal with it?

i retreat into escapist genre fiction

Where should I start with Asimov?

>>7731658

the Foundation Trilogy

Are there any modern sci-fi writers that take after the pulps?

>>7731880
What "pulp" are you looking for specifically?

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>>7731613
So have any of you guys read the Hard Luck Hank books? I thought they were quite good.

>>7732052
>that cover
Looks like Conan in space/post apocalyptic future.

He is kinda like Conan. Better at talking things out with people though.

>>7732039

Pre-golden age/big 3 era

William Hope Hodgson, H.G Wells, maybe dipping into weird fiction like CAS or even some of Lovecraft's more blatantly sci-fi stories

>>7732076

Does he always wear a bright purple bath robe or is that just what he happened to be wearing when some shit got real?

>>7732131
It kinda happens after shit gets real. H wears it for politics.

>>7732157
*he

>>7731675
Another good starting point is The Caves of Steel/The Naked Sun, if you like robots and mystery.

>>7732052
Is it funny? I'm reading Pride and Prejudice right now and I feel like I'll need something totally out there but also funny after I finish it.

>>7731613
How far should I read into the Dune series before I drop it?

>>7732122
John C. Wright was actually contacted by the van Vogt estate to write the final Null-A novel. He's written some of the best Hodgson Mythos stuff out there, he references pulps incessantly, the waves of human civilizations/post-human civilizations/post-post-human civilizations in the Count to the Eschaton series are often direct homages to pulps. I would start with Awake in the Night Land, skip Orphans of Chaos, and read Golden Age after you've caught up with Count to the Eschaton.

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>>7731613
Here sf&f, I made this for you. As I said when I first posted my selected sci-fi favorites chart, I'm not nearly as well-read in fantasy so I don't really feel qualified to make a chart, and thus this chart isn't nearly as good (there are several books on here I consider interesting but ultimately mediocre), but seeing how the last thread turned out I thought I'd give it my best shot. I expect this won't help a lot of people looking for normal fantasy, and I expect a lot of people won't agree with my inclusion of mythological/quasi-religious/magical realism stuff, so, you know, change it however you like or ignore it entirely.

>>7732374
I will not change it, because that would require effort. I will not ignore it either, though.
I will merely hoot and holler at you in an obnoxious way.

>>7732242
Personally I made it to Heretics of Dune and finished it before giving up.
Read the first four.

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I find myself with a budding interest in the silliness of cyberpunk, how's the Sprawl trilogy?

>>7732464

I've only read Neuromancer; it was good. Flashes of brilliance in the prose.

The pacing and plotting reminds me of PKD.

It's not as dated as people say it is. It feels more like an alternate history/future than an incorrect projection.

Here's something far more important than that: don't let anyone trick you into reading Snow Crash. It's awful.

>>7732485
>don't let anyone trick you into reading Snow Crash
But I liked Anathem and the Baroque Cycle.

>>7732485
Awfully stylin', you mean. It's a deconstruction of the edgy action hero. That deconstructs by playing it straight.

Who am I kidding, it's a massive confusion of cool ideas without the erudition of later Stephenson. But they are really cool ideas.

>>7732490
Snow crash fell out of time, when it was written it was excellent it really was but it grew old quick. Culture over took it and what it was started to reflect what younger and younger people were doing or into as part of the culture and so it lost a lot of its appeal. It was no longer at the edge and cool, but what kids are into. Sad really, glad I read it then. It is good but you have to read it with an eye to the intended readers of the time and what it was to them. A lot of culture now has come off of it too, it was a well read influential book, the influences becoming bigger and dwarfing its value.

>>7732464
Neuromancer's great. Count Zero was okay but not as good - dividing his focus amongst multiple major characters wrecks the momentum and leads to none of the main characters being explored properly. Haven't read Mona Lisa Overdrive yet.

The short story collection Burning Chrome (includes some Sprawl stories) is worth reading too.

>>7731613

Oh look, it's an image which is obviously derivative of the Space Jockey set of Alien.

>>7732374
Yeah, these are good books, but Chesterton, Dante and Homer aren't usually what probably look for in the fantasy section. That's why I didn't put them in the list yesterday. But it's pretty good.

Tell me about your novel projects, /lit/. In as little or as much detail as you want.

>>7732374
A lot of those books maybe fantastical in some way, but they aren't what people in these threads would call fantasy.

They are more like what persons outside this thread would call fantasy... why didn't you throw in the bible?

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>>7731613
next time put a subject in.

>What are you currently reading?
still the orc king, really need to wrap it up.

>How has the recent thread disruptions from off topic posts affected you?
it hasn't.

>How do you deal with it?
I ignore that which doesn't interest me.

>>7731620
>the stars my destination
very good choice.
>i haven't been in these thread for a while, what happen?
last thread suddenly went extremely fast for no apparent reason.

>>7731658
don't listen to those others, start with The Complete Robot. lots of short stories. if you don't like them, don't even start with the rest.

>>7732464
>those wrists
pic related

>>7732586
where is the problem in that?

>>7732907
>implying

>>7733036
Because the bible isn't fiction

>>7733038
Actually the reason was me trying to kill time and loneliness.

>>7733042
for the thread going fast?

>>7733048
Yes. I had at least 50 posts.

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>that Childhood's End miniseries
Pure desecration. Clarke probably rolled in his grave.

>start reading VALIS
The prose is pretty fucking neat. Is this the result of a man infused with the power of LSD?

>>7733159
Childhood's End TV was pretty good. I haven't read the book, but as is I liked it a lot.
VALIS is man fused with a pink laser of God duuuude LMAO

>>7733163
Nah, Childhood's End is pretty shit.
>children flying
Please.

>>7733172
Is that seriously a problem?
There are few problems with the show itself, or at least I didn't notice any.

>>7733180
They changed the message of the book.

ų

>>7733183
A change doesn't make it bad, it makes it different.

>>7733256
Changing the message of the story being adapted does make it a bad adaptation.

>>7732374
It's better than the abomination that the two other guys in the last thread made at least.

>>7733258
Yes but it's a good show

>>7731613

>What are you currently reading?

Cheap, short ebooks from Amazon. I've given up on anything I can't read in a few toilet visits or weekend commutes.

>How has the recent thread disruptions from off topic posts affected you?

They haven't.

>How do you deal with it?

I don't need to.

>>7732436
>>7732242
The first four complete the long prophecy's story arc. Anything after is pure filler.

>>7733261
No, it's not. It's stupid.
>>7733256
They changed the book and made it into your typical murrican muh love garbage.
>whaa please save something of the human race
Fuck off.
I didn't particularly like the message of the book but at least it wasn't this bad.

Any sci-fi horror list?

>>7733259
>It's better than the abomination that the two other guys in the last thread made at least.

Are you by chance the anon who said that he doesn't read fantasy in the last thread, and you were there to discuss what you liked?

Don't you know that our fellow e/lit/ist outside this thread call us the pleb general?
Don't you know that they look down on "genrefags", even thought any book that isn't recounting actual events, or certified scientific research is fiction, ergo fantasy.

Yes. IJ, GR, Ulysses, Hogg, story of the eye, 120 days, lolita, justine, etc etc are are genrefag books.

Welcome brother, to the fold.

>>7733310
Repairman Jack can be spooky at times

>>7733367
Nobody cares what "e/lit/ists" think, everyone here is a financial pleb

>>7733367
That still doesn't mean there aren't shit tier books, especially in genre literature.

Is Gormenghast a difficult read? What makes it good?

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>>7733163
>I haven't read the book
That's why you like the show. Are you the same guy from the last thread?

Threadly reminder that Discworld is shit and shills need to get the fuck out!

>>7733415
It has a very accessible writing style. A few difficult words are sprinkled on occasion, but they do not impede narrative unless the reader allows them to.

It's sprawling, gothic fantasy, with many examples of stirring an eerie nerve for a readers who are into that.

>>7733444
You have issues.

>>7733455
Spotted the shill.

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>>7733457

>>7733444

Ok let's assume for the sake of argument that Discworld, a series I doubt you have ever even read, is shit.

What would YOU recommend instead? Genuinely curious.

I like Discworld if for nothing else then that incredibly memorable passage about elves and language. That was brilliant.

>>7733496
Elves are terrific?

>>7733506

Yeah.

“Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”

>>7733517
To be honest, I couldn't pay attention to the Elves after the wizards showed up and Ridcully started chasing Granny-booty and Ponder almost discovered magnetism, but now that I think about it, wasn't Lords and Ladies a little darker than usual?

>>7733528

It was a bit. The idea where just thinking of Elves gives them an opening into Discworld and how they're creatures who can't comprehend human suffering was pretty grim. But then, a lot of fairytales have dark origins, so it kinda fits.

>>7733535
I was more referring to Magrat killing them so casually, but yeah that too.

>>7733444
>>7733457
Why would anyone bother shilling on /lit/? Most people just pirate ebooks

>>7733646
I use a library! I'm a law abiding and morally upstanding citizen!

I like buying physical books and putting them on my shelf. Especially if they have nice covers. I try to buy physical copies of games too for the boxes.

>>7733706
I used to do that too but my shelf is getting so full I've had to cut down on that.
I also can't get a bigger shelf because it already covers an entire wall and I don't have space for more.
Unless I go upwards.

Anyone else here read/reading Perry Rhodan?
I'm spellbound. This is incredibly entertaining.

>>7733724
Do go on.

>>7733700
That's like arguing you're an african american citizen to a cop. They don't care about that, they just see your skin as black, and beat the shit out of you.

You're on 4chan mate, ur fkd 4 lyfe.

>>7733646
The same reason you publish in journals, to get your name out there.

>>7733729
Oh well, might as well embrace a life of crime now.

>>7733714

My mother was a book packrat, she bought thousands of books, read them once, then threw them on her shelf, then into plastic containers, then just left them around the house. I picked her collection clean of good stuff before I moved out, I think the rest probably went to charity or the library.

>>7733730
I don't think Terry Pratchett is worried about getting his "name out there"

>>7733736
>anyone
You didn't specifically about Pratchett.

>>7733733
I am not giving my books to a charity, that's like throwing money away! Goddamn bums trying to steal my hard-earned collection.

>>7733741
The conversation was about Pratchett.

>>7733728
Well, I don't have much more to say, to be honest.
I was interested in seeing what others had to say about it. It's a very entertaining space opera, as far as I'm concerned.
The aliens, the political conflict, the espionage, the general feel of it. It comes together pretty well.

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>What are you currently reading?
Just finished The Steerswoman.
>How has the recent thread disruptions from off topic posts affected you?
Caused me to spend more time reading the thread?
>How do you deal with it?
I'm thinking about making another list picture, but with a different aim in mind.

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>>7734181
>stuffed crocodile

If an already edgy character's last name has symbolic significance but the very sound of it makes them several times edgier, is it worth including in the story?

>>7734601
At that point it dosent even matter, just do it

>>7734601

You should be honest with how the other characters would view the character. Is his edginess funny? Is he annoying? Is he not taken seriously? etc

>>7734601
What's your target market?

>>7734747
I'm not sure I have a target market. Maybe the kind of people who pick apart cartoons and video games for nuggets of literary value?

>>7734619
I was planning on making the other character see him as really hammy, but the style I'm writing it in makes it kind of hard to describe complex character emotions and interactions. It's a very non-verbal style where all dialogue is informed rather than explicit, and the though processes of character are never described in detail

basically, it's written like a myth or fairy tale

>>7734181
>I'm thinking about making another list picture, but with a different aim in mind.
Please do, and keep in mind having Tolkien on it is an auto-fail.

>>7734838
keep in mind that you're full of shit

>>7734838
Tolkien or The Lord of the Rings?

If one were to write a sci fi novel/short story, it takes place in a spaceship, it would require a good knowledge of physics or one can ignore real-life physics at all?

Thoughts on Tigana and The Lions of Al-Rassan?

I'm considering to read the man in the high castle next. Is it any good?

>>7734953
Don't ask us. Cast some stalks and consult the I Ching

>>7734838
>being this edgy

>>7734601
I have a character that progresses from a Mordred figure to a Galahad figure, would naming his mother Morelaine be too obvious?

Is the first law a military epic like Malazan?

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What about some stories about normal guys beating up wizards and monsters due to being too badass to die?

>>7735078
Lankhmar my friend, it's awesome.

>>7735078
>plot armor my shit up senpai

>>7735087
>Implying Wizards don't have the thickest plot armour available
>Ultra super fucking rare, one in a hundred thousand
>doesn't immediately get shot in the face with a arrow

>>7734994
No, its more like a series of action movies that subtly parody popular fantasy works.

>>7732239
I found them hilarious. Especially the audiobooks, although the narrators voice acting isn't so great in the first one.

>>7732239
PaP is actually meant to be funny.

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Wow, Reynolds going full fedora out of no where

>>7735427
>out of no where
In what fucking world didn't you expect that to happen when his publisher is Gollancz?

>>7735503
Its just pretty surprising since there was no indication in the previous books. The cryo monks seemed like nice folks. People say shit like "Oh my god" and "Thank heavens" all the time with no snide derision. He even implies that human beings have a soul when Alien Computer Simulation Dan Sylvest "somehow knows" that his corporeal body is dead.
It just really surprised me.
Also, the whole book should have been more about the masochist queen of the Gnostic Ascension desu.

>>7734832

What's the name?

>>7735562
Maxwell/Max Damon

He's the semi-mortal son of the god of electromagnetism. Because of his heritage, his pupils look the way electrons are drawn in diagrams: blue with – shaped pupils. Since they look like goat eyes everyone thought he was the antichrist so he ended up getting a major superiority complex from it.

The name comes from Clark Maxwell, whose eponymous set of laws describe most of classical electromagnetism, and by extension Maxwell's Demon, a thought experiment created by the same physicist

>>7735598
>Those hostages should have frozen in seconds! This violates the laws of thermodynamics! W-who ARE you?
>The name is Maxwell *lights cigar with a spark* Maxwell Damon.

>>7735598

I think Maxwell Damon would sound better, shortening it to Max is too on-the-nose and it's not like Maxwell is hard to say.

>>7735611
does scifi and fantasy have waifus?

Where do you guys buy your books online? I've been to 4 different local stores and they never carry the books I'm looking for. It took forever to find a copy of Eye of the World and Gardens of the Moon.

>>7735611
Calling yourself Maxwell is silly when you could go by Max, objectively one of the world's best names.

>>7735620

I like Maxwell more. "I don't just Max, I Max Well", see?

>>7735608
Shit man, that reads like a penny arcade comic

>>7735619
Is there anywhere better than Amazon? I mean, the guy's space program sucks but his used booksellers have a lot of $4 books.

>>7735657

No it's actually kind of funny

>>7735619
Amazon unless their store doesn't have it, in which case I check the apple bookstore which never has it

>>7735661
I mean like old penny arcade, back when they still had a few hits

>>7735619

I have a nice local used book store but ebay and amazon are nice if I'm looking for something specific.

It's somewhat rare I buy a brand new book

>>7735620
No it isn't, having a name that isn't glamorous in the context of "Mr" or "Sir" is a terrible idea.

>>7735676
but neither of those affect the title name. Either way it's Mr. Damon

>>7735243
I have no doubt. I'm enjoying it a lot. I simply meant I don't want to go into a downward spiral of Downton Abbey-esque novels because the last time I did something similar, I got sick of the genre and never touched a book on it again.

>>7735234
I'll take your word for it.

Calamity a shit
What the fuck happened to you Brandon Sanderson?!

>>7735920
Same as Rithmatist, it's an offhand idea he phoned in in a month to take a break from Stormlight.

>>7734181
>I'm thinking about making another list picture
This is a lot harder than I thought
>>7734838
Don't worry, he doesn't fit any of my categories.

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>>7735561
The entire intro/beginning of that book was strange, with the shit going on at the Gnostic Ascension and notAura's wacky SoL adventures.

But then SHIT HAPPENS and you get Remontoire fucking shit up in his invisible one-man death machine, among all sorts of other crazy shit like BRANE THEORY.

Now go read Galactic North.

>>7735920
Lel
>we steelheart now
I suspected it though.

At least Sanderson should put come rape in his books

>>7732122
Gonna second John C. Wright. His favored style (Countdown to Eschaton, Somewhither) is heavily influenced by A.E. van Vogt, and as >>7732276 said he was literally commissioned by van Vogt's estate to write a Null-A novel.

Start with Awake in the Night Land, which is explicitly an homage to Hodgson, with two solid and two excellent short stories. Unlike the other anon, I'd recommend starting with The Golden Age instead of Count to a Trillion. Golden Age is a little bit more tightly constructed than the insanely ambitious Count to a Trillion series.

I've never read his fantasy works.

>>7732242
Until you think it's dumb. 1-4 were pretty good, 5-6 felt weak but I read them out of inertia.

>>7732490
Give it a try then. Early Stephenson though, his flaws are more apparent than in the books you named.

>>7736422
I don't think he's shown as much raw imagination anywhere as much as he did in Diamond Age, though that might be nostalgia speaking. Late Stephenson is a different animal. I wish he was still as savage as when he was a punk, but he's so incredibly well-read now. I even read Anathem twice.

>>7736422

Please don't encourage anyone to read Snow Crash.

It's the worst book I've read in my adult life.

>>7736620
That's because you're supposed to become a teenager while you're reading it.

>>7736622

Please don't recommend that book to preteens.

>>7736623
I meant become a teenager in your mind, I wasn't suggesting you make someone a woman with it, geeze.

>>7736627

Just don't suggest that anyone read it.

That book is every holds-up-spork meme + reddit + autist running-with-arms-behind-them mall ninja

>>7736651
Yeah, in the same way LotR is every D&D campaign-based fantasy-with-a-map. You have to purge the last two decades from your mind while you read it. I'm not saying you take it seriously, I'm just saying Hiro boarding a carrier with a backpack railgun was kinda cool.

>>7735613
Duh, of course it does. Everything has waifus in it. Brawne Lamia is my sci-fu.

>>7736620
>It's the worst book I've read in my adult life.
I never read snow crash, but I'm sure it can't be worse than Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever.

>>7737267

Can't be worse than the Terra Incognita Trilogy.

>>7733646
Occasionally, people do make threads and shill their booktuber channel/ book on here.

>>7737408
I doubt Terry Pratchett's ghost came in here to do that though.

>>7737420
Maybe the benefactor of his estate?

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>>7737420
I dunno, if the internet had been around when he was younger I feel like he'd have been quite the shitposter.

I want to get into wolfe. What's a good place to start?

>>7738151
I liked The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories, that seems as good a place as any.

>>7738151
Pre-Socratics.

>>7738151
The Knight

>>7735084
Lankhmar is shit, I don't even understand what's going on half the time

>>7737891
>you will never banter on Usenet with anonymous Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams

>>7738283
>Implying Usenet wasn't fucking terrible
It was seriously like 95% spam even with filters.

Where the fuck do I start with Moorcock?

>>7738412
Lick the tip.

>>7738412
You don't, Moorcock is a meme author.
http://bondwine.com/2006/07/02/moorcock-saruman-and-the-dragons-tail/

Or if you reeeeally want to, first Elric book. Warning: Very formulaic.
>OMG gonna have to kill another friend with Stormbringer lol

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>>7738271
It's fucking straitforward with everything
>>7738151
Here is a chart from your favourite wolfeposter

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Just read pic related. Really enjoyed it, especially towards the end. Anyone have reccs for similar vibe/feel?

>>7738722
You mean straiforward old pulp? Lankhmar would be my rec. It's fantasy, but as an adventure story it's as good as they come.

>>7738722
Hyperion, for real. Very similar vibes.

>>7738729
>>7738730
thanks guys

>>7738545
>Linking to a christfag who champions john c wright
I tip my fedora to thee.

>>7739081
>>7738545
I loved the first Elric and it does go downhill from there, but this is a great article.

>>7739123
I haven't read Moorcock or Tolkein, but the guy mentioned Chesterton and my suspicions were immediately raised.

>>7739211
Chesterton is a fantastic author and it should only point out that the man has a good taste in literature and essays.

What are some less "dense" fantasy books? You know, as opposed to the ones that have 5 pages long descriptions of how nicely the rain is pouring down the roofs.

>>7739286

Druss the Legend
Conan series

>>7739277
Counterpoint: John Wright, the most tasteless man alive, also likes Chesterton.

>>7739307
Hi conanfag, i see you are still in the thread.

>>7739326

I don't know who that is or why you seem to think Conan isn't an appropriate suggestion for Anon's question.

>>7739323
I know little about him or his writing, but his taste in literature is just fine.

>>7739326
That would be me.

>>7739332
Read last thread
A guys was dildoing his ass while waxing poetic about conan.

>>7739360

Doesn't seem like a good use of my time. Anyway you shouldn't let random internet people dictate your tastes, especially about popular series that have been around for 80 years.

>>7739360
That's not what I did, though. At least not the poetic part.

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>>7731613
>currently reading
11/22/63 (probably not related to the thread) and Starship troopers
>How has the recent thread disruptions from off topic posts affected you?
I'm new to /lit/, didn't even knew these threads existed.
>How do you deal with it?
by lurking more

Just finished calamity.
Wtf Sanderson and yes i mad.

You were supposed to kill them, not join them.

>>7735619
Amazon/marketplace for English books, really no other choice in my country.

>>7738151
the mouth. the anus if you're adventurous.

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>>7739787
kek is that how that whole series ended?
>now you ARE the demons

He announced some sequel trilogy in an alternate dimension.

Alright SFF, I finished my list.
These are not necessarily recommendations. They are merely books I may have read recently enough to organize into amusing (to me) categories. I am calling it the /lit/SFF Pinata. Do you feel lucky?
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>>7740240

Is Hestia bestia?

>>7740256
It's pretty short, but anything by Cherryh is worth reading. The other two books are multiple volume series.

I've been working on a story and setting for a soft sci-fi/science fantady space opera in my head for at least half a year by now, but I've neen having trouble getting it on paper. What do?

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>>7740309

It's not going to get any easier, just write. You can piece it together or rewrite later.

>>7740256
I probably should have added sensational captions...
That category would be "Hot Centaur Action", "Muh Catgirl Waifu Feels", and "In a Committed Relationship with Ebony Giantess Assassin".

>>7740431

If you put it that way then centaurs and ebony giantess assassin sound way better

>>7740240
Can you order them in order of how much you like them?

>>7740439
What, the whole list?

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>>7740240

I ordered a copy of well of souls, lets see how hot theses centaurs really are.

>>7740462
Just your top ones.

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Why can't more science fiction have stories and characters like fantasy? I'm not saying that hard science fiction doesn't have a place, but it gets boring.

Anyone have anything like Interstellar? Launching off into the unknown, desperately, with a strong cast of characters and a great plot? The last thing like that I read was Seveneves.

>>7740495
Well, favorites from each category (listed in order of approval ish) are:
Foreigner
The Adventures of the Stainless Steel Rat
The Princess of the Flames
Federation World
Forty Thousand in Gehenna
Forerunner

I didn't really care for Soulstring or Operation Exile.

Honestly it's hard to judge these as I've only read them once (excepting Cherryh's and The Stainless Steel Rat)

The Stainless Steel Rat is probably the easiest to get in to, so I'd feel good making it a general recommendation.

>>7740539
Thanks anon.

>>7740469
Good luck :3

>>7740499
>Why can't more science fiction have stories and characters like fantasy?
You just need to read more science fiction. I recommend John Barnes. The Jak Jinnaka trilogy never gets mentioned anywhere but it's absolutely charming.

>>7740563
I'll give it a read, but I really like end of the world, desperate science fiction. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>7740437
It depends on what you want out of it. Foreigner is at 16 books and growing. It's focus is on political intrigue and human-alien cultural integration.
Hestia is a short tale about a civil engineer and the primitive savage catgirl who learns to love him.
Well of Souls is about forced transformation, discovery, and the highest alien diversity per square mile. That's just the first book. I haven't read the rest yet.

I'm thinking of picking up Malazan.

I keep hearing about how insanely complex and hard to follow the entire series is though. Is this the sort of thing where I should take notes to keep all the characters, events and relationships straight like in Wheel of Time? Or is it just hard to follow because things aren't explained until later, if at all, like Book of the New Sun?

>>7740905
>I'm thinking of picking up Malazan.
Don't
>I keep hearing about how insanely complex and hard to follow the entire series is though.
Yes, but because the author can't write, not because of his skill as a writer. He just skips all exposition and tells the story expecting you reae his wiki. Later on it's easy to follow because you get a hang of the setting and that's it. It's hard for plebs basically.
>Is this the sort of thing where I should take notes to keep all the characters, events and relationships straight like in Wheel of Time?
I didn't finish the series and found it necessary, not because of the number of characters, but because he can't write different tones of speech or give personality to the words spoken like say Dostoevsky who has tons of characters, but you always know whose in which relationship with whom due to much better characterization.
>Or is it just hard to follow because things aren't explained until later, if at all, like Book of the New Sun?
He's just awful at exposition. He doesn't take the le world building meme and just gives exposition and he doesn't take the well written route where it's exposed naturally with the flow of the story

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>>7739346
Out of all fags, a Conanfag's a pretty good fag to be.

>>7740917

So it's like a Tomino anime? How's the dialogue?

>>7740917
So what you're saying is I should take notes for characters and their relationships. Thanks for the help.

Anyone who has read the whole thing care to comment?

>>7741032
Like all modern mass market fantasy, terrible.

>>7741055

Gimme a sample, baby. I want to hear it from your lips.

>>7741063
You want a sample of what? If you want quotes google them.

>>7741066

Read it out loud!

I'm a crook, a criminal a villain
Whatcha gonna do about it son

>>7740240
>by a woman
Would you take a kissless 26 year old virgin's Vcard?

>>7741039
I enjoyed it somewhat, it's just that Erickson isn't a "hold your hand all of the way" type author.

The first book you are just dropped into the middle of things, it's only near the end that things make sense. A few books in you get used to his style.

Also I didn't read his wiki, yet I completed his series and understood what took place.
That other anon admits he didn't finish it, and had to read the wiki, he probably likes to be spoonfed, if you also love being spoonfed Malazan is not for you.

>>7741245
I made it through BotNS and loved that, so I'm okay with things not making sense. So long as I can tell characters and places apart

>>7741250
That's what I said before, Malazan is nothing like the New Sun. Wolfe reveals things in a planned and gradual way to enhance mystery and themes and to make sure you revisit it. Malazan just says fuck exposition as a thing and bam, plot starts and you can only tell the difference because of a different name.

>>7741257
You did read the OP right? If your posts devolve into /v/ shit, we will report you.

There is already a /v/ thread up, go there if you have the intention to speak of games.

>>7741272
I'm not discussing the game. I want legal advice.

>>7741281
It requires the game since you are talking about its themes.

>>7741320
But still, it's not like I'm straight up discussing the game, or using a thinly veiled request to discuss the game. I'm asking if it would be legally viable for me to write a sci-fi novel with the same themes as the game.

>>7741332
Yes. Themes aren't copyrighted.

>>7741207
Post pictures of young female fantasy authors and then I can answer you.

>>7741335
What about characters though?

>>7741337
Are you that poor of a writer that you want literal fan fiction?

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>>7741341
It worked for the guy that wrote 50 Shades.

>>7741348
It's a woman and I'm not sure if that's what you want.

>>7741337

As long as you change the names and the setpieces you can get away with it, sure.

The problem is it's creatively bankrupt and you should try to make the story your own thing. Change the characters and change the plot device, even minorly, just don't ape it wholesale like an unthinking pig.

>>7741350
He's making a reference from that show

>>7741336
I made pic related, does this at least get me some cuddle time?(we can progress from there.)
http://imgur.com/oPLOaVO

>>7741517
Wait, you were talking about yourself?
I'm not a manslut, depends if we like each other or not.

>>7741530
Your pic said by a woman, I assumed that you were female. Was I wrong?

I heard there are men who like to take virginities, why isn't the same apply to women?

>>7741550
If your standards aren't high you can get one of those dating/chat apps. Plenty of ratchet girls who'd be willing to pop your cherry.

>>7741554
>giving my valuable Vcard to some non reading std ridden whatsapp hoe
>current year

>>7741561
>beggers
>being choosers

>>7741550
I thought you were female. Glad this didn't happen in real life.

I picked up The Sword of Shannara the other day, what am I in for? Seems like the most Tolkien derivative fantasy ever and a mash up of ever cliche JRPG imaginable.

>>7741577
Serious question, are there any females in this thread?

>>7741550
Greeting, I posted the list, previous anons are not me. "by a woman" means that the author is female, sorry :(

>>7741603
That's exactly what you are getting.
>>7741610
Statistically, probably

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Hey,

after finishing The Providence of Fire (Emperor's Blades), I got some new reading material since book 3 isn't out yet.

Which book should I start with, given that I will most likely take a break from it in about 3 weeks when the last installment of Emperor's Blades arrives?


PS: what are the benefits from preordering books on amazon? Are there any?

>>7741893
Slight discount plus you read it sooner.

I've just read Breach by Patrick Lee and holy shit was it some lazy writing. Nil characterization, zero effort at resolving gridlocks, but at least the plot and the setting is something between STALKER and Xcom at times.

He has his moments but then stoops to Jonathan Maberry level hacking at the narrative. I think I'll try some other low level genre fiction writer next instead of continuing with this series.

>>7731613

In a mood for some oldschool fantasy.

I've got it narrowed down to Terry Brooks and Raymond E. Feist. Any advices on where to start and with whom?

>>7739326
I'm a conanfag as well and I will shill it till the bitter end.

>>7732464
All three are quite good, I'd say Count Zero is better than Neuromancer but the first one is of course the most distinct. Avoid Gibson like the plague after that.

>>7732464
Neuromancer is a fun cheesy ride. Cyber City Oedo 808 (all three episodes really) and then later Ghost in the Shell borrows a lot from it, so watch those if you want a feel for what it's like.

Cyberpunk is just slick detective noir with a computer and internet veneer. Entertaining pulp.

>>7740334

If there is anything that I want to have in my hands, it's this 'book'.

>>7741940
I would argue that Ghost in the Shell 1995 is much more, but the rest of it, yeah.

>>7741937
>Avoid Gibson like the plague after that.
>not just read Johnny Mnemonic and avoid Gibson like the plague after that

>>7741970
>watching

>>7741975
Who said anything about watching?

>>7741916
I like Terry Brooks, but the first 6 or 9 Shannara books stick pretty close to the same formula. Go with Feist and start at the beginning with Magician.

>>7742111

Done. Thanks for advice.

Opinions on Scott Lynch's Gentleman Bastard series?

>>7742436
The city in book 1 was nice imo. Built on "alien" ruins, and how it runs itself.
Enjoyable books.

>>7734899
Tigana's is great. Haven't read lions yet.

>>7736651
I read it as a parody and enjoyed it. the main character is named Hiro Protagonist and wears a trench coat while wielding a katana hacking the web by fighting in a digital mmo with his real life kendo skills. It was showcasing the rediculousness of cyberpunk and anime (which was pretty new to the west at the time and was being held up on a pedestal by self proclaimed "cultured" nerds). The fact that it still parodies modem cyberpunk and anime so well is telling.

>>7740499
>why can't more Sci-Fi be more like Star Wars

So I just learned that Ghiblis Howls Moving Castle is adapted from a book and was curious, how is it?

Does the movie cover all three books?

>>7742436
The Lies of Lock Lamora is great and can be read as a stand alone. The second book is still pretty good and leaves you desperately hoping for a follow-up. The third is bad. Locke becomes insufferable, the ending invalidates character building from earlier books (with a big bad revelation), and the plot starts heading into generic chosen one territory. If on the other hand the next books in the series reestablish locke's character and artfully dodges the shitty expectaions then I will likely remember the third more fondly. As I mentioned Locke is insufferable and developes a defeatist almost suicidal personality which is at odds with the tone of the previous books but if he bounces back then you could look back on his temporary shittyness as a trial he overcame (his personality change wasn't unprovoked). Though if things were left as they are or continue then he has just become a shitty character.

>>7743105
Wasn't he already depressedvt parts of book 2?

>>7743123
A little. It spirals out of control in book three until he loses all respect. Jean drags Locke through that book both literally and figuratively. Also you meet Sabetha in book three and Locke starts getting really pathetic.

>>7743123
In book 3 Locke spends a significant amount of time refusing to get out of bed and telling Jean to just leave and let him die.

>>7743171
Well he was actually dying, what else do you want him to do

>>7742963
The novel is completely unsure if it wants to parody because it completely forgets how stupid that all is and goes for a serious plot instead.

>>7743252
He was given an opportunity to solve his problem in a way that aligns with his talents. He's been in tougher situations before and while he would sometimes complain, get annoyed, or need a bit of encouragement he never went full on suicidal depression mode. Even Jean was sick of him halfway through.

And his interactions with Sabetha were just Cringeworthy.

If he comes out on the other side better off then I'll look back on this book more favourably I'm sure, but with this being the current end of the series it's a really unsatisfying turn for the character. He went from being a confident trickster to an incompetent unsympathetic wet-blanket.
And the whole ending reveal was just the worst kind of bullshit.

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>>7743171
>>7743252
>>7743521
>expecting normal behaviour from depressed Lelouch archetype

>>7741550
Jesus. Contain your thirst, man. Or take it to /r9k/.

>>7741561

Unless you're a successor to a throne or your father wants to trade you for some goats your v-card isn't worth shit.

>>7743809
Climate change is making drinking water on a regular basis a necessity.

>>7741610
Yes.

Is Lensman worth reading beyond the historical context?

>>7743083
Haven't read the book but can definitely vouch for Diana Wynne Jones. The Ghibli movie took some elements from the first book but it's a very different story.

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>>7743897

>historical context

come on man, it's 2016

>>7743897
>Lensman
What do you mean? Triplanetary?

>>7744044
Wait, that's a prequel... Anyway, I found them a little hard to get into. I intend to try again now that I have more volumes.

>>7743897
No.

>>7741039
Malazan isn't really very complex, you don't need to take notes unless you're slow or something.

Just finished up Calamity. Mmh.. I think its about what I was expecting, maybe less so. Wasn't aware this would wrap up the entire story, so was a little surprised by the level of asspulls in the last 15 pages or so.
Still was enjoyable enough.

>>7745105
Imma teach you to ride a bike(fly) again.

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>>7745105
Prof for best Reckoners character. I'm glad he isn't ded.

>>7743897
I found them interesting. How he saw the arms race and general escalation, but some of the technologies he just couldn't think of anything else - instead of memory crystals or something, they still save everything on tape, and computers were still massive.

Good time anyway, I'm going to read the books not written by him too since I found out about the last month.

>>7745309

Okay, I'm kind of curious about Lensman now from your description. How old is this series?

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Hey, I hope this doesn't count as off-topic:
I'm making a point-and-click adventure game and figured making it an adaption of an older sci-fi novel might be a good idea. Which (preferably public domain) novels or short stories would you suggest as appropriate? I'mt thinking something with a theme of exploration like Rendezvous with Rama.

>>7745340
Google it you imbecile

>>7745309
Yeah, but the problem is that everything interesting and original about them has been mined out for decades and they're not (IMO) good enough to stand on pure literary merit.

BTW, one of my favorite examples of "memory tape" style future technology is the use of slide rules and paper star charts in the Foundation novels. Asimov actually goes into some detail about it.

>>7745373
>help me get rich guys

>>7745459
>only I must come on top
You also made an evil laugh?

>>7745373
>a point-and-click adventure game
>get rich

oh i am laffin

>>7745646
it's going to be free i just want to adapt a good story

ill see myself out then

>>7745721

Asimov's robots is a good basis but I don't know if they're public domain. The factory and surrounding labs and buildings would give you ample rooms, and interacting with robots to solve mysteries would be fun.

>>7745744
that's by far not public domain yet and the asimov estate or whatever they're called have become very reluctant in handing out licenses since they got burned very hard with stuff like I, Robot with Will Smith.
Also, copyright lengths can be very complicated, especially in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries'_copyright_lengths

Basically hardly any American stuff is in the public domain yet, you'll be better advised to look for British or continental European works, Wells' stories should be in the public domain at the end of the year as he died in 1946.

>>7745598
>only I must come on top
>You also made an evil laugh
Naw, good luck with your endeavors and I wish you all the best of luck, and godspeed.
I'm not helping your ass though.

>>7746602
I'm not him, you just seemed like a faggot.

>>7746652
We are all faggets, where do you think you are?

So is VALIS written from the perspective of PKD himself, telling a fictional story about his (real or fiction?) friends? Just want to clarify.

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>>7747076

>>7747076
It's got a ton of stuff straight from his life, but the people in it are fairly fictionalized. Almost anything Horselover believed, Dick himself probably believed at one point or another. He was a strange guy.

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Is A Princess of Mars really worth it?

>>7747623
Ab. So. Lutely.

I need some more rape and incest books, suggestions?

>>7748630
No gay?

>>7748884
I'd only like gay book suggestions, thanks.

>>7748630
In the Pinata list I posted here:
>>7740240
MAJOR SPOILERS!

The Princess of the Flames
Main character gets raped, in the last book I think. It's a pretty big deal.

Changing Fate
Priestess hypnotizes men and rapes them in a ritual

Midnight at the Well of Souls
Woman takes advantage of man during period of diminished mental capacity.

The Word for World is Forest
Natives get raped.

Forty Thousand in Gehenna
Some here. Only read if you like slow scifi.

Ringworld
Sex vampires.

The Quest of the DNA Cowboys
I only read the last book. One of the settings is basically an orgy/bacchanalia pleasure palace. Only about a chapter though. Oh, and gay cyborgs.

The Demu Trilogy
Male prisoner raped by female prisoner while sleeping. Her brain was rewired for nympho.

>>7748630
Brightness Falls from the Air by James Tiptree Jr. (it's a pen name of Alice Bradley Sheldon) is a sci-fi with fairy (alien actually but they look like fairies) child rape if that's your thing.

>>7748630
Book of the New Sun

>>7749006
>Ringworld
Sex vampires.

oh lawd

>>7748630
In Stars my Destination the main character rapes some character and later forces her to work for him.

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>>7742436
It's shit.

I'm confused. Cthulhu is supposed to be this ultimate unstoppable entity who'll destroy the world according to everything, but in the original story he just kinda blunders about, gets hit by a boat and then goes back to sleep.

If the stars weren't "right" why did he get out of bed in the first place?

>>7749709
This upsets me every time I read it. Fuck the neckbeard

>>7750014
That boat crit him in the head hard, man. Give the squid a break.

>>7750063

More than crit, he literally popped like a balloon. I was so confused.

>>7750071
You try getting your head mashed by a boat and see if your plan for the day don't change.

Any book similar to Ico and Shadow of the Colossus?

>>7750078
In what way?

>>7750102
Themes, atmosphere, story.

Any book about Aliens in Medieval Age?

>>7750242
Instead of Cowboys and Aliens, you want Knights and Aliens?

>>7749006
>Ringworld
>Sex vampires.

I read the first book and I didn't get anything about that. It's just a thirsty old man wanted fresh poon.

>>7750364
Exactly.

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>>7748630
I've mentioned this book before.
Main character engages in hermaphroditic incest.

>>7748967
It has the gay.

An excerpt:
"As soon as Narcissus and Cleopatra step down onto the courtyard they are greeted by their beloved Uncle Chrysanthemum. Chrysanthemum is not really their uncle, but he is their favorite person and they claim to be helpless without him. He is a magnificent old homophile and pederast, with fat fingers and elaborate makeup, weighing even on Mars over two hundred pounds. Perhaps it is for this reason he refers to himself in the plural; or it may be a tribute to his own royal inclusiveness, or even because he is unimaginable without an entourage. Usually he is surrounded by some pretty out-of-work actors, an addict or two, students cutting classes, male models, and so on. He comes out of the loggia, in a splendid silver and silk dressing-gown,"

It's a pretty surreal book. I think it fits /lit/ well.

>>7750375
Sorry, in all of my selections I talk about each series as a whole but only posted the picture/name of the first book.

if scientists suddenly discovered the means to faster than light travel and make it easily possible to achive, will all the current "we never made it past the solar system" science fiction have to be re-classified to "alternate history"?

>>7750578
It's stupid in the first place. Who the fuck is interested in reading self-limited shit?

>>7749709
is this a book review or a blogpost? because it looks more like a blogpost about his own book and himself.

>>7750626
That's because Rothfuss is an unbearable narcissistic cunt. There's a reason he's the most hated writer in the general.

In other news, should I try BotNS if I didn't care for wizard knight?

>>7750803
I read The Shadow of the Torturer but I have no interest in reading The Wizard Knight, read it, it's good.

>>7750626
It's a goodreads review by an author, so it's a bit of both (in a "worst of both worlds" kind of way).

>>7750146
They really really felt like Le Guin to me, just the first three Hainish books though.

>>7751171
First three Hainish and first three Earthsea too.

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>>7751171
>>7751180
I don't know about the books but the Ghibli movie architecture reminded me of Ico and Demon's Souls.

>>7751171
>>7751180
First three written or first three in the timeline?

>>7751350
Written. They were a lot more... psychedelic? There's something in them that she lost most of by the time of Left Hand and all of by Dispossessed. Not saying late Le Guin is bad, she's just not Ico.

>>7751365
>>7751365
>>7751365
New Thread

>>7751367
ok, thanks.

>>7740905
>>7740905
Malazan is truly amazing. It ruined other Fantasy for me.
Try it, it's not very hard to follow.
It's just that you'll not see big pictures for a time, and you'd have to remember pieces of information from across many places in the books with which to build your hypotheses and comprehension. I may be making it sound harder than it is - it shouldn't be hard if you're not retarded.
This style of writing adds to the quality of the series imo. Being thrown into an ocean of happenings and having to figure it out as you go. The style is masterfully executed by Erikson. Every word has meaning. Nearly nothing is deus-ex or just a recently made-up device to get from point A to point B. Tons of foreshadowing you wouldn't notice until 2nd reading.
The first book is kinda weak in comparison to the rest in the series, and its writing quality is also poorer.
Not to sound elitist but I've actually found people who disliked Malazan (and gave it a real chance, not just book 1 which I admitted is much weaker) tend to be on the more, uh, unintelligent/uncreative side of the scale.