Lets settle this long standing question. Were the ancient Greeks

>>7334938
Probably. What's it to you anyway?

Socrates was not only ripped, he was FUCKING ripped. Pretty much every Greek philosopher, poet, tragedian, and so on would have been, because they were all adult male citizens, and either had to fight in the army or (later) row in the fleet. Or both.

People underestimate the level of physical exertion these things required. These guys worked out EVERY day. They worked out so much that they actually liked working out. They lived to work out. Their entire leisure time was composed of working out and getting gay over how hot their bods were in the balmy Mediterranean sun. The first ten fucking pages in Plato's FIRST dialogue have Socrates lusting over a teenager's sweaty, manly pecs through his toga. Socrates likens himself to a lion that is about to gobble up its prey. He can barely control himself. That is how the Western philosophical tradition starts: homoerotic lust for ripped abs. When Alcibiades, the manliest man in history, bursts into the famous drinking party, at which the guests are discussing the urbane topic of Love, it is to ask Socrates why he never fucked him in the ass when they cuddled. You know how the dialogue ends? Socrates goes to the gym and works out.

Modern recreations and reconstructions have not even succeeded in duplicating the physical feats reported of the Athenian soldiery - that is, the Athenian citizenry. Often, modern historians doubt that these feats are even being accurately reported, for instance the straight dash of the Athenian army across the entire field at Marathon. This is because modern athletes and bodybuilders can't even do these things, even with relatively light gear compared to what the Athenians actually carried. It took a team of Olympic master rowers to even APPROXIMATE the sailing techniques of the Athenian fleet, outside of combat conditions, on a placid sea. The entire Athenian fleet was regularly capable of these maneuvers, season after season, year after year, campaign after campaign. The sole engine of these maneuvers was muscle. Raw, sweaty, heaving Athenian muscle. Athenian men were the envy of the Aegean.

It is understandable that modern historians, coming from a society of flabby, skinnyfat wimps, are unable to comprehend the sheer manliness of Athens. Socrates saved Alciabiades in a hoplite battle in the Peloponnesian War. Aeschylus, the tragic poet, fought at Marathon. And all of them worked out and fucked ass, at every moment they weren't literally inventing Western civilisation.

They were all gay pedos. Except Sparta, they were just gay.

>>7334944
I love this pasta. Best one on /lit/ by miles.

"Homosexuality" didn't really exist then. Before it was pathologised in the 18th or 19th century, same sex intercourse was viewed as an act, not an identity. People might have succumb occasionally or even by preference, but it didn't define them.

>>7334951
Are you serious? There were laws against sodomy long before then.

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>>7334944
This was a beautiful read. /fit/ is just like this, I guess things really don't change.

>>7334943
I want to know what life would be like to live back then

>>7334954
The act of sodomy. The homosexual identity arose in opposition to the pathologization of same sex intercourse.

>>7334970
You're right, sorry. I misunderstood your post.

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Most of the Greek city states practiced a sexual tradition that would in our modern world be considered "alternative". The mystery traditions of Eleusis were officiated by a masked woman called Despoina, or the Mistress, and they practiced sex rituals which had a strong element of female dominance. Nothing like the femdom stuff we see now, but similar enough. The Dionysian Mysteries practiced sexual androgyny