Can I get into Nihilism without being edgy? I went to rehab

>>10024911
Almost literally me aside from the sudoku and faggy politics
I really don't know, I don't care about life being devoid of meaning and all the shit that is going on in this sick world when I'm feeling fine
When the depressive episodes kick in is all an endless cycle of despair and literal physical pain, blood feels dense, pure hell tbqh
I'm aimying to get into philosophy in the best uni of my country, but I need to take a test about all the HS shit you are supposed to know and I havent studied anything. Test is in two months. I only want to get there to go full autism into philosophy and use it to expand my vision on the cyberpunk-ish future that will come pretty soon, I have always been in search of some kind of truth and the lack of it has made me miserable from since I have memory. Maybe aldo write some cool autistic pomo scifi fiction and if luck is on my side, who knows, maybe get published. I don't care about partying and being the outcast virgin because I already did acid and other degenerate stuff on my teens and I'm not really interested in the childish bohemian college kid pose, will probably go on a bender from time to time tho and experimating with other substances very casually. But I really doubt I get in since I haven't prepared for the test because deep down I have zero motivation and I'm a lazy procastinator piece of poop
Are you on meds? If not get on them ASAP but do a research on what you are actually taking. I knew a lot about psymeds before I stared taking them because I had been obssesed with mental illness and psychedelic drugs since I was 14yo
You really have to be careful and informed about this shit
Anyways, my recs would be Nietzsche and brothers Karamazov. This is the typical "waa nihilism wat do" combo. I would also reccomend Don Quixote, Rimbaud and VALIS by PKD
Good luck, dont kill yourself! The world is going nuts and I think it is worth watching it, maybe soulcrushing too, but worth it anyways

The only edgy ones are the fakechristians that pretend to be conservative catholics just because it is too cool and mainstream to be atheistic now

>>10025044
>Are you on meds?
Yeah mirtazapine, doctor will cut it and will make me take seroquel and fluoxetine.

Used to abuse lots of prescribed shit, with alcohol and weed. Also lots of illegal shit, mostly cocaine every 20 minutes and weed.

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>>10024911
This is going to be right up your alley unless you're particularly attached to capitalism.

>>10025649
I'm a minarchist and I hate left-wing idiocy.

Actually an AnCap at heart, should I stick check it out?

>>10024911
>Nietzsche
>nihilist
Why does this meme persist?

>>10025675
It's individualist, nihilist anarchism. You sound like you would like it. I wouldn't call it "left-wing" per se either though.

I'm adding the disclaimer about capitalism because property is one of the things he's nihilistic about. You should read it anyway but if property rights are particularly dear to you prepare to be butthurt at times.

>>10024911
>I went to rehab for drug addiction and one of the therapists told me that I had a "nihilist look in life" but I've actually never read Nietzche.
They probably don't know what they're talking about. Most philosophical isms have a different meaning colloquially than in philosophical literature. In nihilism's case, many people just use it as a synonym for depression because depression.

>>10025705
*because depression = inability to care about things = lack of values

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>>10025691
>I wouldn't call it "left-wing"
>against property rights

>>10025711
You don't deserve to understand nihilism go away.

>>10025711
>Everything is meaningless and life doesn't make sense
>Property rights are sacrosanct tho
You're a brainlet.

It's not even against property rights per se. It just rightly acknowledges property as being made up and only possible through force and/or trickery.

>>10024911
worldviews are either true or false, you don't "get into" them like the latest nickelback album. retard

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>>10025736
Bullshit, what is mine is mine. There is no gray area or anything to overthink or analyse.

Gee it was true when they said /lit/ was full of pinkos and reddit.

>>10025790
>Bullshit, what is mine is mine.
This is an anti-private property statement.
Sometimes the meaning of words are counter intuitive and taking everything at face value and relying so heavily on "common sense" will only make you a confused and backwards person.

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>>10025790
>what is mine is mine.
Now read the book and consider what "mine" means.

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>>10025793
No it isn't, I bought a house, it's mine.

I earned my salary, it's mine.

You say labor=property which is common pinko mumbo jumbo shit. Just look at Venezuela and tell me you still support left-wing idiocy.

>>10025816
>conflating multiple non-private property types of property with private property
How disingenuous, are you here to learn or are you here to "redpill"?

>>10025816
>No it isn't, I bought a house, it's mine.
No, it's mine.

What now, douchebag?

>>10025820
>your house and salary aren't private property

>>10025838
They're not. Wow.

>>10025643
How do I into cocaine?

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>>10024911
>implying Nietzsche is a fucking nihilist
how many times must this be posted

>>10026147
He didn't belive in objective truth, objective morallity and objective meaning in life
How is that not nihilism?
He was a really quirky breed of nihilist tho

>>10026147
>He didn't belive in objective truth, objective morallity and objective meaning in life
No, he didn't, he believed that every individual should have their own set of morals, their own goals, they should define themselves and not be restrained by the straitjacket of "objective" morality. He opposed objectivity in those aspects because they destroy individuality and freedom.

>>10026179
meant to reply to >>10026160

>>10026160
He realized that, and then sought to overcome it.
The way the Übermensch faces nihilism is what differentiates him: he choses to create meaning, to overcome the meaningless existence of a human.

>>10024911
Read light stuff.

Maybe find out if somebody from your area ever wrote a book.

A cool old ex-sailor in a village close to me published his writtings in a few books,
he wrote with a pen or a pencil in the first page "If you want it take it" and left them in benches and bus stations around towns.

T.Hellene

>>10024911
which drugs induced psychosis

>>10026196
First line of the book, if I remember correctly was:

"Since I was a kid, i've been eatting a lot of wood"
Eatting wood in Hellenic slang means getting your ass kicked.

>>10026179
But that's still nihilism in the sense most people use it.

It's not nihilism to Nietzsche purely because Nietzsche didn't believe in the whole subjective/objective dichotomy anyway. He believed that because any kind of truth (for lack of a better word) will always be anchored to ones own perspective the distinction that people usually place is not necessary. There is only the shifting and conflicting perspectives that warp and dictate any kind of "knowledge". Meaning that ones own values can potentially occupy the cosmic supremacy that "objective values" once did. But to someone with a conventional view on epistemology this is absolutely nihilistic.

>He opposed objectivity in those aspects because they destroy individuality and freedom.
He opposed objectivity in those respects because he didn't believe it existed.

>>10025816
>>10025838
You literally have no idea what private property is. But here's a clue: it is distinct from personal property. No one is coming for your toothbrush

>>10026179
I know, but that still makes him a nihilist

>>10024911
How does one go to the ER because of sudoku?

>>10025790
>what is mine is mine

And what is mine not yours right?
What is yours is yours and what is mine is mine, and we establish what is whose because a government(the most evil thing in existence according to ancaps).

So why should I care what your government says?
What is """"""yours"""""" is mine.

Nick Land desu

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>>10025816
>I earned my salary, it's mine.
I steal your wallet, it's mine.

>inb4 """rights"""
Rights are made up by people. They aren't "real" in the same way objects like wallets are. They don't actually make anything yours. They just persuade others not to steal your shit.

This argument is a big part of Stirner. It's also why ancaps acknowledge the need to buy Private™ Police™ Forces™. Ownership is fundamentally about who can defend what. Entities like the state just abstract that away as "property rights" and do the defending for you via police and military. If an ancap claims to believe in property rights, he's either:

(1) Not an anarchist, because he still advocates for the presence of a state.
(2) Doesn't actually believe in property rights, and just memes them to appeal to liberals, but actually wants the mad-max-esque world we see in ancap memes.
(3) Is too stupid to realize property rights only exist in the context of a state, and without enforcement mechanisms, rights of any kind are meaningless.

Stirner is about calling everyone out on their shit, including you. Nothing personnel, kid.

>>10025711
Stirner wasn't against property rights.
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>10026147
>hedonistic
>meaningless

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>>10026232
the socialists want my saliva and will stop at nothing to obtain it

don't fucking lie to me commie scum

Everyone is a nihilist. You accept nihilism and move from there.

>"getting into nihilism"
watch Rick and Morty or something.

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>>10027330
>tfw corporations mine YOUR data everyday
And you get no compensation

>>10025677
Because people talk about Nietzsche without actually reading him first

>>10027354
What does it mean to be a nihilist to you?

>>10025044
I thought my blogpost would had had more (You)s
Now I feel blue

>>10027350
but not my saliva

the most important of all

>>10026232
>it is distinct from personal property
No it isn't

>>10027486
Great argument

>>10027517
thanks, you too

>>10024911
>Can I get into Nihilism without being edgy?
Not unless you're autistic and believe it on a primarily factual basis.

>>10024911
>actually going to rehab
I hope it was forced on you because drug rehab is one of the biggest scams going and if you actually fell for that meme there's no hope for you

>>10024911
Contrary to what people who haven't read him think, Nietsche never advocated nihilism or saw it as some kind of goal. For Nietzsche, nihilism was a trap that you would fall into if you weren't careful.

>>10025675
A good chunk of the book is making fun of "left wing idiocy".
Also, it is not necessarily anarchism, though it can be read as that.

You should generally read stuff that challenges your viewpoint, anyway, not just that which reaffirms it.

>>10024911
>sudoku
is this some meme/inside joke? Or did you mean seppuku?

>>10028558
Please lurk for atleast 6 months before posting.

Yes, that was a joke. A joke about as old as your internet connection.

>>10028570
>Yes, that was a joke. A joke about as old as your internet connection.
What did he mean by this? I just moved here so my internet connection was established quite recently

>>10028580
I just told you to not post for the next 6 months. If you cannot figure this out you should stop posting at all.

>>10025816
That house you say is yours isn't truly yours, because your ownership of it is conditional. If you were to lose your job and go bankrupt, or if you fail to pay off your mortgage and go underwater, or if you commit a criminal offense and put the house on the line to bail you out of jail and you violate the bail bond, guess what, the house is lost because time can fuck you. Your house isn't really yours, neither is the car you drive, etc.

>>10026906
>Stirner wasn't against property rights
>Stirner wasn't against . . . rights

Pro-capitalist readings of Stirner are retarded.

>>10025675
>capitalism without the state
>capitalism without hierarchies

Why do people continue to insist that anarchism and capitalism are in any way compatible?

>>10030025
Because of some weird notion of self-importance.

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>>10025675
>actually an ancap at heart

I don't understand the thought process behind nihilist.

>Life has no meaning
>Time to be a depressed dick because there isn't a higher being telling me to be anything less than a total cunt to people
>Oh shit there isn't a higher being telling us all to work towards a better future, might as well stop giving a fuck about that too then

Seems the vast majority of nihilist i've met have just used it as an excuse to be an edgy fag, and very few people think of nihilism beyond an excuse to not give a shit.

>>10024911
>Life doesn't make sense to me, it is meaningless
These don't follow from each other. Maybe try a bit harder to understand the world you live in- don't worry, you can still maintain it's "meaningless" but that doesn't mean it lacks sense, order, etc. Study physics or something.

There are no nihilists. All humans operate based on values and truth-values.

>inb4 uhhh you don't seem to understand nihilism
I do

>>10025677
his entire work is the arguement against nihilism. this meme unironically triggers me.

>>10031459
agreed

test

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>>10024911
dont

>>10031459
yea but you can REALIZE nihilism without being a nihilist.

>>10026699
>Ownership is fundamentally about who can defend what. Entities like the state just abstract that away as "property rights" and do the defending for you via police and military.
Not him, but good point, I've actually never thought of it that way. Does Stirner ever present what he thinks is an ideal society? I can't see anarchism being very good.

>>10034621
Stirner puts forward something called a union of egoists. If you take it to the total extreme and assume everyone is an egoist and going to join then it would be anarchist but in reality it wouldn't like that. Rather a union of egoists would exist as a kind of counter-society that runs parallel to spooked people who aren't egoists.

Consider a group of friends, you're all there because you want to be and without anyone being in charge.

>>10034907
>Consider a group of friends
Analogies are supposed to work on experiences the reader has had irl, anon

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>>10034956
That's hurtful because it's true

I think nihilism is intended to be a transitory state where one completely ditches all of their previously held values and affectations (this is probably impossible to begin with) in an attempt to return themselves to the blank slate they began with in life.

I think Nietzsche meant that Christians who realize that Christianity is based around a lot of inequity and nonsense could eventually reject God and so be left without any of the establishing articles of their value system. So now, having nothing for the moment, in that moment one is a nihilist.

>>10034621
>Does Stirner ever present what he thinks is an ideal society?
He generally says that society is a good thing, and if his works would be read (and accepted) more publically that society would not work anymore and break down. His book is to be read by individuals, not taught to everyone.

The whole "union of egoists" thingy seems kinda half-assed, a thought that came up in his head that he found interesting but didn't feel like he wanted to delve into very deeply.

>>10034907
I don't have friends because it involves self-sacrifice.

>>10025790
t. doesn't even know what private property is

>>10034986
I don't think arguing that non-spooky collectives are possible is half-assed or incidental. It seemed pretty important to Stirner. Sounds pretty unrealistic, though.

>>10026160
nihilism = lack of values
nietzsche was all about creating his own values

>>10035091
Jesus Fucking Christ. Please stop talking about Nietzsche if you haven't read more than a wikipedia article about him.

He was not a nihilist. He did not advocate nihilism. Nihilism was something he warned about. Creating your own values was overcoming nihilism.

>>10035147
that's what he just said retard

>>10035151
Oh. My bad. I am tired. I thought he wrote "nihilism /= lack of values". I'm really sorry, anon.

>>10024911
You nees Jesus

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>>10034621
Anon from >>10026699 here.

The anon from >>10034907 is exactly right. For an egoist, voluntary, leave-whenever-you-want unions are the way to go, because they offer maximum freedom while still providing the benefits that a larger society would offer. If the friendship analogy isn't your cup of tea, think of insurance. You get insurance because it offsets risk and saves money in the long run (granted, this may no longer be the case, but let's assume it still is for the sake of argument), not because there's some legal or ethical system forcing you to. It's just what's best for you. Yes, taking out an insurance policy involves joining a group, paying dues, etc., but all these things are worthwhile because they can (and probably will) save your life. It's a calculation based on self-interest.

The anon from >>10035057 doesn't know how to apply the egoist framework (or thinks that friendships have no value). The egoist solution is to realize which people you enjoy sharing time with, do good by them, and think of it as a sort of exchange — your time for theirs. The best-case scenario is a friendship wherein both of you take much more than you give, because you're both just after each other's company, which is a huge gift to receive and a tiny one to offer. Friendships, at least the good ones, are very much
an egoist project.

>>10026196
>>10026202
This sounds cool as fuck, almost like something some elusive/mysterious minor character would do in a DeLillo novel about nocturnal teenagers in New York.

>>10035057
>I don't buy things because it involves self sacrifice

>>10035158
don't worry senpai

>>10025675
>Nihilist
>boner for capitalism