Is it me or do males feel dysphoria much more than females?

Being masculine is tolerated more in AFABs, yes. This is one of the reasons why there are more MtFs than FtMs.

>>8855102
Possibly! I've found less connection between AAP and dysphoria-like things (unhappiness, poor body image, etc.) than between AGP and dysphoria-like things.

>>8855102
>little to
little to no problem*

We need an option to edit posts.

>>8855102
Yeah unfortunately men are not liberated from gender roles like women have been.

>>8855102
There's a big difference between what's expected men to do compared to women.

I'm not really an MRA or whatever but the thing is, men have it harder when it's about expressing yourself, being gender nonconforming, etc.

Want a silly example? People will shit over a guy who is crying over his deceased mom.
that's so heartless but for some reason society has this mentality of men can't show weakness ingrained in their mind.

As if being human and having feels is fucking weakness.

TL;DR;
The world needs some sort of sexual revolution for men so they can be accepted like women do in current society

>>8855872
Fuck feminism.

>>8855889
this is all my hopes and dreams.

>>8855889
>>8855906
Am I the only one that unironicaly thinks that we are entering a new era of sexual equality and acceptance?

>>8855872

Fuck it. I'm doing it anyway. I'm gonna be that 'dude' with long pretty hair. Anyone that doesn't like it can kiss my ass.

If we want the gender expression freedom that biowoman have we are gonna have to take it.

>>8855102
It's obviously due to women having more freedom in their expression. Starts with character, voice, clothing and general masculine interests. They are viewed as strong, independent, sometimes dykey lesbots but mostly not discriminated against.
Men on the other hand... oh wew. Fuck that shit. Feminism is said to help that but I've yet to see anything positive done for men.
>>8855923
Nope, I also think (and hope!) this will happen. Sadly people in masses are stupid, if you would be able to talk to everyone personally it would be much more easy.
Before I transitioned I was constantly ridiculed for crying all the time, being fearful (since being like 4, according to my sisters) or sensitive, like crying in a class full of pubertal boys cause I couldn't solve a math question. This lead to basically shut down when puberty started, I repressed till I hit 17 and finally broke and started transition with 20/21 :(
So much could be done if we could change in regards to expectations. Women are already there, men not so much.

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>>8855102
Men are whiny babies.
Women have been shown to be much better able to endure pain and suffering.
(see also childbirth)

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>>8855923
As a jaded oldfag, I have seen the pendulum swing back and forth several times.
I won't be surprised if Trump and Pence try to reverse the gay marriage legislation considering how antagonistic they have been to transpeople lately.
Any gains in freedom are always met with a substantial backlash from the skydaddy set.

>>8855973
lol just fuck off with your bs. You're obviously either men-hating trans or a woman (men-hating aswell).
There is no way of telling which sex is more endure to pain and suffering

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>>8855102
FtMs are mostly autists
what that implies? lets quote an autist

>I'm not especially physically passable (it's just one of those neurotypical things that I don't understand why I'm expected to do)
>by virtue of autism, we are usually blind (partially or completely) to the social aspects of gender
there you go

however they might have high anatomic dysphoria and care about binding or removing breasts significantly stronger than about presenting

>>8855923
>>8855966
Not happening if feminists have anything to do with it >>8855973

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>>8855973
>>8855985
science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677686/
>prevalence of most common forms of pain is higher among women than men, and women report greater pain after invasive procedures than men

> compared with men, women display enhanced sensitivity to most forms of experimentally induced pain (with the exception of is-chemic pain

>men may exhibit greater DNIC than women
> DNIC inefficiency (or lower DNIC) has been implicated as a risk factor for development of chronic pain and pain syndromes

>>8856043
trying to measure pain is an ongoing debate, since they tried to introduce a scale. Still, thanks for the source, even though it's an generalisation

>>8855930
Slit your throat.

>>8855973
jesus christ that guy's disgusting

>>8855102
>There are supplements and even small amounts of over the counter testosterone readily available
Well it's ultimately easier to get "estrogen" into you though. Androgenic chemicals are pretty rare compared to estrogenic ones it's just that testosterone exerts very noticeable effects whereas estrogenic chemicals usually just give men gyno without putting much of a dent in T levels cause the testes are resilient little fuckers

>>8856222
just cause he dyed his hair?
see, this is the level of misandry we live with

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>>8856222
>>8856234
He didn't dye his hair.
It's a wig.
And for your information he is the world famous Miss Joanne Prada aka Joanne the Scammer.
He's actually pretty hilarious.
And for those of you who like BBC he's also done porn under the name pradaboiswag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ed4cIzf_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVPAkv0V9Ak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med6qitSZC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MA6FsPArKY

>>8856284
damn HSTS

>>8855102
The thing is that in ye olden days, a father is the one who has to protect the family and acting in a masculine way provides good protection to the rest of your family. A feminine man is useless.

Where as for women, even if they are masculine and hence might not be as soft with the children, they can still perform their main gift, which is to suffer through child birth.

Women are inherently useful. Men have to prove that they are good men and will make good fathers. A man would be up for sleeping with a much larger percent of the existing women than a woman would out of the existing men.

Women have to pick a good mate. It's much more serious for them. A bad mate could kill the woman or the child with their superior strength or alternatively they may not be masculine enough to protect the children.

I think these ideas are imbedded in what people think in regards to what clothes people wear

>>8855923
Have you ignored news in last few years? its only getting worse on all fronts with radicalization and migrants

>>8856401
>Women are inherently useful.
Depends on the woman, tbqh.

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>>8856402
>repeating the jewish propaganda

Ooooh! The scary migrants are coming to rape all the white women! Be Afraid! The SKY IS FALLINGGGG!!!! TEH END IS NEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've been watching too much CNN, honey.

>>8856434
>Wanting to be beheaded and thrown out of a building because you're not masculine enough.

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>>8856438
You're more likely to get hit by lightning.
ISIS isn't even in the US and if they were they would be jailed and put on death row.
You're either delusional or a shill.

>>8856447
Not the same in Europe desu

>>8856401
100 or so years back it was absolutely unacceptable for a woman to dress like a man and wear pants.
Or you may look at some 17-18 century fashion when aristocrats dressed like dragqueens in powdered wigs.
Or look at muslim world where women have no rights and have very strict dress code while men are far less limited in what they wear - from dress-like traditional thobes to modern western casual.
This is very much social and not evolutionary.

>>8856447
>US is entire world
>ignoring all the terror acts that happened in the USA too
>ignoring that radicalization is affecting both left and right and results in a massive pushback against LGBT rights

speaking of delusional and completely ignorant

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>>8856492
You probably voted for Trump.
and the "terror acts" are all false flags to get you to give up your guns and approve the police state.
It's revealing that the only argument you have is ad hom.
2/10 Try harder

>>8856515
Trying too hard.

>>8856469
I think that the way women have to dress is more societal and the way men have to dress is evolutionary is what I mean. In cave man times who cares if a woman is a bit masculine. Nowadays after the sexual liberation women can look a bit masculine and people don't mind as much. Women being feminine is good for society as it means calm marriages and peace, even if it's a somewhat oppressive peace. Men being masculine is good for the individual family unit more than women being feminine, evolutionary wise.
Nowadays marriages have lost a bit of value now that sex has less risk because of contraception and the like. I think that is why women don't have to be as feminine. A marriage that lasts your whole life is no longer the one goal every woman strives for. You can go out and do traditionally 'masculine' things and have more freedom. You can make the money to look after your child or not even have a child if you don't want to.
You can have sex with numerous people and not have to bear their children and consequently have to be as prude with your sexuality and feminine to appease a husband.
However. What use is a man if he occupies the 'feminine' role. I think it is within women's biology to be turned off by submissive, or other traits thought to be more feminine, men. Where as a man will be attracted to a female's body even if she is aggressive or other masculine traits.
Anyways, I've probably written way too much and repeated myself

>>8856447
Europe is facing serious problems mate.

>massive immigration from anti-LGBT regions
>integration isn't as inevitable as we thought, successful second-generation immigrants are seeing their kids take up hardline anti-Western positions
>reaction from natives is also anti-LGBT, claims Europe's rejection of traditional masculinity and gender roles is to blame
>centrist positions which once seemed unassailable are suddenly looking shaky

None of this looks good for LGBT anons, especially as the root cause isn't going away anytime soon.

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>>8856534
I think it is just more that women who aren't hot are invisible so they can dress however they want and won't get noticed.
Men, on the other hand, are desirable independent of attractiveness. They are required to be security providers so they have to wear nice masculines clothes to show that they can afford them and to signal where they fall in the pecking order. Dressing poorly indicates you're unsuccessful at competing with other men and so you're discarded.

>>8855111
Nice trips
Is there any proof that there are more MtFs than FtMs?
Outside of 4chan of course.

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>>8856605
It is not a question on the official census yet, so
No

>>8856600
That makes sense

>>8856600
>>8856621
But actually there are numerous attractive women who shouldn't be invisible that dress in a more masculine way and people don't mind as much as if it was a man in a dress or something. Like in the op