Why does critiquing masculine behavior in transbians always inspire

Because, like, they want you to accept them as they, like, are: an AGP hon who doesn't shut up about how sexy porno is

>>8827526
Because they're just predatorial men in dresses.

>>8827526
Why is their "masculine behavior" shameful anyway? We live in a post-gender society OP. Behavior doesn't have a gender and lesbians can behave as much like men as they want.

>>8827537
there's a difference between "masc" behavior and male socialized behavior

>>8827541
?

>>8827526
What is 'masculine behaviour', essentialist?

How is it masculine? What quality gives it intrinsic masculinity?

>>8827547
It's behavior done by men. Pissing your name in the snow is masculine behavior.

>>8827547
acting the way that males are expected to act in society

>>8827547
Being useful in combat
Building civilization
Exploring unseen lands
Becoming the richest person on earth
Being the worlds fastest person
Being the worlds strongest person
Opening Jars
Reaching high objects.
Making brilliant scientific discoveries
Oppressing the rabble

>>8827629
Wow, and for a second I actually thought I was masculine. Thank you!

>>8827629
This would be the prototypical mansitioner reaction I was talking about.

No matter how much mansbians brag about how much they hate their male body and masc features, they secretly love to be complimented and told how masculine they are, how much of a man they are, etc. They constantly beg for it.

>>8827541
>>8827526


thread over.

gg.

you just closed your own case, they were socialized as male, its ingrained in there brains to defend it or else they fear being hurt.

>>8827526
I'd also include that desperately trying to prove that a passing HSTS doesn't pass (i.e. Blaire White) is a masculine behavior.

>>8827563
No woman in the history of planet earth has ever peed in the snow? Wow. Wonder where the settlers crossing the Sierra Nevadas found restrooms. Must have been at the Stop n' Go.

>>8827609
'expected'. I think I found the source of your problem. Remember, these are the same people who 'expect' trans people to be 'men in dresses'. Who gives a damn what they 'expect'.

Whose 'expectations' are being counted? Who, precisely, counts as 'society'? How many Votes of Expectation does it take to switch genders of a behaviour? I mean, nursing used to be all masculine, now it's not. Same with teaching. So clearly there's got to be a number of people, a tipping point of sorts, when it changes from one to another. What is it? 50%? 51%? And as voted on by whom? Can the people in question vote on the expectations, or is it just straight white men? Just men? Men and women, but only wealthy ones? Exactly WHO?

I can buy the argument that someone who repeatedly does things typically ONLY done by men as a matter of course is very masculine, but EVEN THEN you have the case that there are masculine women.

Ultimately, you're simply trying to control how women act...which incidentally is THE most masculine thing you can do in the United States.

>>8827629
>Being useful in combat
No women have ever been useful in combat? Say hi to Joan of Arc and many, many more throughout history.
>Building civilization
What, precisely, does that mean, and how, precisely, did 'men' (and ONLY men) build it?
>Exploring unseen lands
There has never been a woman explorer?
>Becoming the richest person on earth
This cannot be known; history is VERY incomplete. At present, no woman has done it that we are aware of. That doesn't make it a masculine behaviour (although one can argue the pursuit of that goal IS masculine behaviour, but then you have to be assuming no woman in the history of the planet has ever like money.)
>Being the worlds fastest person
That's a physical trait, not a behaviour.
>Being the worlds strongest person
That's a physical trait, not a behaviour.
>Opening Jars
That's a physical trait, not a behaviour.
>Reaching high objects.
That's a physical trait, not a behaviour.
>Making brilliant scientific discoveries
I'll namedrop Curie and get it over with, yes I know some people disagree and there are plenty of other women scientists. Quibble to your heart's content.
>Oppressing the rabble
Elizabeth Bathory comes to mind.

Wow, such masculine.

>>8827669
Yes, men controlling women is masculine, and being controlled is feminine. Given how often women bitch about how they're controlled by men, it's obviously a feminine trait to be controlled by them.

>>8827697
Joan of arc merely bewitched the men who actually did the combat with satanic magick

>>8827705
>men controlling women is masculine
I'll grant that one, but it's not EXCLUSIVELY masculine. Catherine the Great controlled MANY women, for instance.

>merely bewitched
lol. I'll pretend (and hope) you're just joking around. 'Satanic magic', holy shit...

>>8827697
>>Being useful in combat
>No women have ever been useful in combat?
Moving the goalposts you feminist retard. Women who were were exhibiting masculine behavior. The rest of your points are equal trash.

>>8827669
>Whose 'expectations' are being counted? Who, precisely, counts as 'society'? How many Votes of Expectation does it take to switch genders of a behaviour?
>And as voted on by whom? Can the people in question vote on the expectations, or is it just straight white men?

tl;dr society doesn't exist because I don't like it.

>>8827563
>>8827609
So what if transbians act like that? All trannies are male socialized and there's noting wrong with trans girls acting like boys, same as cis girls, or males acting feminine.

>>8827748
Straight trans don't receive male socialization because of gender non-conformity. Transbians generally fall into socially accepted male castes from an early age and are generally the male abusers of gnc straight trans as children and teenagers.

>>8827759
If you're assigned AMAB you receive male socialization.

>>8827767
i meant more so in terms of contextualizing in male ideals.

>>8827541
Okay, could you give some examples?

People talk a lot about male socialized behavior, but have never actually given good examples.

>>8827769
I don't know what you mean but if you mean socialization then you're wrong.

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>>8827712
>it's not EXCLUSIVELY masculine.

If it's not masculine, it's feminine. If it's not feminine, it's masculine. Fuck off with your quantum social constructivism where a behavior can be masculine and feminine at the same time.

>>8827785
>shades of grey don't exist

>>8827783
if you do contextualize in any male expectations, you don't become socialized in them

i think we're talking about different things though.

>>8827799
Shit you're right, fuck man just the other day I was pounding some beers back with the boys, then we worked out at the gym, forced ourselves upon some women, then we got into a street fight, then wrapped it all up by watching an action movie.

All of us agreed while the night was predominently masculine, we appreciated how it also allowed us to get in touch with our feminine side, as we know women do occasionally engage in all those behaviors making them feminine.

>>8827827
You're male socialized however well you conform.

>>8827832
Firstly, nice job choosing the most stereotypical things, and putting them in the most gendered possible way. Let's take some other activities- reading a book, enjoying a hike, eating some good food with friends. These aren't really gendered.

Secondly, I don't think that's the kind of behavior that people who criticize us for masculine socialization are talking about- I have literally never met a trans women who's enjoyed that kind of stuff.

>>8827836
what type of evidence of male socialization is found in gnc straight trans women?

>>8827785
Exclusively means 'essential'. As in 'is only ever performed by this one type of individual', in this case men. As it is possible for a woman to oppress other women, the best you can get is that it trends masculine. Makeup, for example, trends feminine...but movie stars also wear it, which means it cannot intrinsically be feminine.

I'm sorry if this is too difficult to follow.

>>8827715
No goalpost was moved. It isn't my fault you failed to understand that 'intrinsic' means 'essential'. If a woman can perform the action, it is not ESSENTIALLY masculine. I asked for instrinsic behaviours, none were given.

>>8827723
Nice job completely failing to understand the point, which is that you can not define metrics for what 'society' believes and, as such, your beliefs on society and what it 'wants', 'thinks', and so on will be colored by your own perceptions, not by any actual reality. That doesn't mean there can't be reality in your belief, just that it isn't a foregone conclusion.

IE society exists, but it means nothing because society is merely an amalgam of everyone's projections. Power is where you think it is.

>>8827547
>What is 'masculine behaviour'
>>8827629
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>>8827848
Oh, all of those things can ABSOLUTELY be gendered, because the concept of gender wasn't invented in the 50s by a pedophile sexologist, but existed in languages for hundreds and hundreds of years before dipshits somehow decided that it was impossible for gender to work as a binary when it in fact does. Proof: pic related.

Books are masculine, but subjects of books can be feminine. Hikes are generally masculine, but if you mean "long leisurely stroll" by hike they can be feminine. Eating some good food with friends might be feminine or masculine depending on what is being eaten, if you're all eating salad you're eating a feminine meal with friends, if you're eating steak you're eating a masculine meal with friends.

What has yet to be demonstrated as functional as a linguistic concept is the pants on head retarded concept of masculine and feminine existing on a spectrum promoted by pedophiles, trannies, social constructivists, and childrens entertainers.

>>8827918
You've said that these things are gendered, but fail to show how
What makes a book masculine?
What makes a salad feminine?

>>8827526
Cara kill yourself already!

>>8827832
> pounding some beers back with the boys, then we worked out at the gym, forced ourselves upon some women, then we got into a street fight, then wrapped it all up by watching an action movie.
I know PLENTY OF WOMEN who do this every day tBBQ.
Looks like your "masculine" interests aren't that masculine after all.

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>>8827918
>masculine food
>feminine walks
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa oh my god, there is actually someone this delusional who believes THIS. I bet you are part of the consumer force behind products such as pic related.

>>8827940
>beer
>filled to the brim with estrogenic hops
>gives you literal moobs
Yah, masculine as they get right there. =}

>>8827968
Moobs are manly as fuck, my nigga. :^)

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>>8827955
Probably only buys scrub mommies like a pleb.

>>8827646
>They cant let go of being the most powerful group on the planet

Who da thunk it

>>8827976
>scrub daddy
L O L
also l-lewd tbhon

>>8827927
>What makes books masculine

Women puts Mens names on books instead of their own, as that's what people want to read.

>salad

Salad is low in calories, high in calcium, and vegetarian, compatible with women's dietary needs and ethical preferences.

>>8827955
Nonsense, why would I buy that when yogurt is already masculine?

I also accept Masculine/Feminine/Neuter as a coherent system over Masculine/Feminine. A gender trinary is also acceptable. Then you can just call Yogurt Neuter. I know this concept of referring to things using 2, 3 descriptors is strange but it actually works much better than trying to describe things in terms of shades of grey between masculine and feminine. This is because these concepts were developed organically rather than being the invention of some deranged leftist.

>>8828020
Still haven't shown how that makes books masculine- you've shown societal prejudice towards one sex.

As for salads, that's just straight up sexism and bad nutritional science.

You've not given any actual reason- your logic is pretty much "these things are masculine because they're masculine, these are feminine because they're feminine".

You don't have any basis- at best, you're describing cultural zeitgeists.

If a thing is masculine, then it should be inherently masculine- yet this changes over time, this changes in different cultures, languages, etc.

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>>8828020
>Women puts Mens names on books instead of their own
It's not the 1970s anymore, grandpa.

>>8828034
>Prejudice

Actually just preference, as it is based on reason and experience.

For example
>Ive yet to find a funny female comedian below the age of 45
So i dont bother with female comedians, to save myself the trouble.

Different anon btw.

>>8827955
actually it's true famm

I clocked a really good looking girl based only on her Bailey Jay chin and food choices

>Hot pockets and an energy drink

>>8828056
>hot pockets and an energy drink are for men
you've clearly never been around college girls

this thread reeks of underaged tumblrites

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>>8828034
I am describing cultural zeitgeists. Ones that developed organically over time. Unlike the concept of things like ruling over people partially masculine and partially feminine. Which is wholly a social construction people are trying to make into a thing.

It's a really useless distinction to make because if you don't feel masculine/feminine is enough to describe things, masculine/feminine/neuter can be used. One can further modify things from there by calling things "somewhat masculine" or "Very masculine". Saying "War is very/somewhat Masculine" works much better than going "Well, war is masculine, but it's partially feminine too" which is actually doesn't give the person you're talking to any more useful information since everybody is already aware some guys do girl things and some girls do guy things, in fact it's wordy yet somehow still vague.

Ya'll have been memed out of your minds.

>>8828063
places with microwave only dorms don't count dingus

>>8828117
>zeitgeists
>that developed organically over time

as opposed to?

>>8828034
He's trying to use the language terms 'masculine and feminine', but even language instructors will tell you many of the terms are completely arbitrary. For instance, a light switch in Mexico is feminine.

It's word games.

>>8828134
Does this mean that in mexico, every man can turn a woman on and get her off?

>>8827526
misandry

>>8828134
Then use masculine/feminine/neuter and describe a light switch as neuter. It's also not completely arbitrary, it's just largely so. It is however 100% possible to describe everything in terms of masculine and feminine. However, given English originally was masculine/feminine/neuter but ditched a long time ago, that is probably more compatible with how English speaking people think. We still call ships "she". An Ombudsman is still a "he". Then there are neuter words. A light switch isn't masculine or feminine, it is THE light switch, neuter.

I'm not saying all this simply to be difficult, that is part of the reason, but I'm also Canadian and have some level of national pride in my gendered official language. I see both as coherent means of gender categorization. Anyways, the gender spectrum will never be a thing, "mostly masculine, partially feminine" will never be a thing, M/F/X with they/their/them as pronouns will PROBABLY become a thing, however describing everything just using M/F is totally possible. We already have descriptors like "extremely feminine" and "butch woman". Trying to describe shit as both masculine and feminine simultaneously is clumsy and unnecessary given the overlap with simply describing things as either feminine or masculine or possibly neuter.

>>8828250
>That is probably more comparable with how english speaking people think

It isnt, dont base your ENTIRE argument around an assumption.

most likely because they've overdosed on testocerone and start to think they're real men?

>>8828273
>it isn't

Really? You think English speakers don't think of things as having a neutral gender? When they say "The house" they're not thinking of the house having a neutral gender, they're thinking it's masculine or feminine? Or "The fork" or "the coffee"? They think of all these things as masculine/feminine?

Honestly though I think you just didn't read my post properly before you typed out that reply. That point being wrong also doesn't undermine my entire argument at all, just the argument in favor of a Trinary gender system in English speaking countries.

>>8828196
That's Cara alright.

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Because Lesbians are horribly violent. With no men around in their social circles or relationships, there is nothing to control the crazy and they attack others like dogs.

Think I'm wrong? look up the statistics for violence in lesbian couples. It's almost twice as high as straight couples and three times as high as gay couples.

>>8829334
women are more likely to domestically "abuse" their husbands too
it's because women are weaker than men and the consequences of being violent with their partners is not as big of a deal
so dykes beat the shit out of each other and nobody cares because they're wimpy dykes, it's like calling the police because your baby punched you

Are most trans lesbians really that masculine? On average, I'd say that they're more likely to have long hair and wear feminine clothing than cis lesbians. They're only perceived as masculine when they don't pass.

>>8829674
No, OP is trolling. If they were cis they would be considered tomboys or girls with nerdy (read: boyish) interests.

>>8829375
>It's okay to get hit because it doesn't hurt as much as when a maaannn punches you!

>btw women are physically weaker so it's okay for them to abuse people ;)

Spotted the mommy issues.

>>8829334
muh bi women get hurt more by men