Is it true that homophobia and the hostility towards males who

>>8774526
>"Why did you beat me so hard?"
>Stalin, to his mother in her later years. her response was "That's why you turned out so well". source: Edvard Radzinsky, p. 32

When all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. Feminism only thinks of things from the female prospective, so every problem is misogyny.

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>>8774526

Yep. Everything is because of misogyny. You figured it out.

I'd add something more thoughtful, but you sound like you already have the answer you want, so what's the point?

>>8774526
I can see why people might think that.

It's at the very least demeaning femininity, but it's not really misogyny. Most homophobic males are fine with women acting that way, it's when men acts that way that there's a problem, it's generally a hatred of gender roles, not femininity in general.

>>8774526
Homophobia is almost universally misandry. Notice how men get it much worse. It's not lesbians being rounded up for concentration camps and systematically murdered by the state in Russia, it's gay men.

>>8774526
Yes.
Gay men are whether people like to admit it or not more effeminate than straight men.
Gay men need to accept this honestly so that the rampant self loathing within the gay community stops.
You can't be "masc" and take pics in a jock strap basically. Just embrace your femininity.
Also gay men can be the receptive partners in penetrative sex, which is seen as submissive and effeminate.
It is part of the patriarchal world view of what it means to be a man and homosexuals threaten that. It is inconceivable to these people that stereotypically feminine qualities can be found in successful men.
It is misogyny.

Cis male are scared of beeing treated the exact same way they do with womens by homosexuals. some are so affrraid of that they play"manly" and are violent ... quite insecure masculinity

@8774526
remember to sage bait threads

>>8774815
This meme was debunked last thread.

>>8774805
Just because the majority of gay men are effeminate does not mean all of them are. Blanket statements like what you have are pretty retarded.

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>>8774526
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

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>>8774644
lmao this, truly all the real problems in the world come from women having it too well, and blacks, the white (incel) man needs to stand up against those homos especially the ones who laugh at his dick :^)

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>>8774821
Just because it hurts your feelings that doesn't make it "debunked", and just because someone critiques a group you're a part of that doesn't mean they're calling you evil so grow up.

>>8774835
>Socialization-induced mental condition of body/gender dysphoria
[citation needed]

>>8774853
t. didn't read and of the rebuttals (or is pretending he didn't)

Meh, maybe to some people, but homophobia is heavily based in religious ideas. However, in ancient Sparta male penetration was a form of hubris, the idea of penetration was meant to be kept for women, so I suppose there is a particular patriarchal idea about it, but I don't think it's necessarily misogynistic.

>>8774866
That's not how it works, nobody thinks you're a "monster" or anything, it's just a harmless observation, no need to take it so personally.

>>8774875
the bullshit concern trolling on this board is more obnoxious then any stormfag's blatant racialism

>>8774875
t. still pretending even though he's tricking nobody

>>8774882
Nice """subtle""" racist dogwhistling lel

>>8774887
>tricking
Tricking into what? Nobody here wants to hurt you.

>>8774526
No, HOMOSEXUALITY is the extension of misogyny. I quite literally fuck only men because I can't stand women.

>>8774889
I might never be able to hurt you personally but I am already deliberately spiteful to anybody with your politics. Consider that your punishment.

>>8774898
>deliberately spiteful to anybody with your politics
>anti-racism
E D G Y
S O C O O L

>>8774835
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>>8774852
but this literally disprove op

>>8774904
It's a fucking mspaint image.

>>8774909
>It's a fucking mspaint image.
yes and?

>>8774775
Men getting it worse is what makes it a mutation of misogyny. It's the perceived femininity of gay men that gets people's panties in a twist.

>>8774901
It's all I can do to change the world.

>>8774914
That's not a valid source.
It's not a legitimate piece of information.
Stop taking memes seriously you idiot.

>>8774920
t. xxDarkBladeShadowEdgexx

>>8774919
>this is what feminist actually believe

>>8774923
It's true tbqh. In highschool someone told everyone I was gay, and everyone else was only cool with it under the assumption I was a top, and not a bottom, if I were a bottom that would be "a problem".

>>8774919
Misogyny doesn't exist. 95% of men fucking worship women like they're goddesses even though they don't deserve it.

>>8774922
Your kind's arrogant unjustified false superiority is what I remind myself of when I need to be spiteful. My anger helps me overcome my conscience.

>>8774922
>That's not a valid source.
>It's not a legitimate piece of information.
yes
but it was posted as something to confirm OP
when it actually does exact opposite

>Stop taking memes seriously you idiot.
Stop taking 4chan seriously you dip.

>>8774928
so how is this misogyny?

>>8774939
My anger FUELS MY RIGHTEOUS RAGE I will be the CRUSADER to saves EVRUOPA from the ALIEN MUDSLIME INVASION #praise420

>>8774828
Calm down princess. I'm sure everything he sees you as a manly man when you're getting your ass hole fucked in a Pump jockstrap.

>>8774930
Cool uncited percentage there fampai

>>8774944
It's not explicitly. It's a viewpoint that femininity (something men can also have) is weakness, wrong, "lesser". That makes it implicitly but not explicitly sexist. This is sincerely one of the easiest things to understand in the world I figured it out while it was happening in high school.

>>8774805
>jock strap = femininity
Because nothing can be more feminine than a fucking penis protection.

>>8774944
Because being a top means you're the manly dude doing the penetrating, being the bottom means you're the girly guy getting butt-fucked. The perceived femininity of the bottom is the problem.

>>8774955
They don't wear it for penis protections
They wear it to hide their penis and accentuate their buttocks.
Fool.

>>8774950
If men truly hated women, women wouldn't exist by now. The fact most people are straight and thus blinded by the pussy ensures the continuation of female cult for now.

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>>8774957
Society doesn't like femininity in guys and doesn't like masculinity in girls. How does it make homophobia misogyny?

>>8774946
Pretty much the logic. Mostly miss on the politics.

>>8774976
>Society doesn't like femininity
This is why. How many times do you need to have it spelled out for you? Like damn.

>>8774976
You're moving the goalposts. We were talking about homophobia specifically towards gay men. Homophobia towards all gay people is society still paying strict adherence to gender roles (though that's lessened a lot). Also misogyny is pretty tightly bound up in the "muh gender roles" thing

>>8774982
Nice job responding to only small portion of my post.
Society dislikes gender non-conforming people in general. Homophobia is extention of that not soggy knees.

>>8774964
You're making it an all or nothing issue. It isn't. That's like saying racism isn't real because if white people really hated black people all the black people would be dead.

>>8774996
You dumb retard. I wasn't just replying to one part of your post, ONE PART OF YOUR POST HAD THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ALREADY IN IT.
Like fuck do you people only hear what you want to hear? Do you fucking idiots only fucking read what words you want to see on the screen like god damn you fucking retard.

>>8774998
>That's like saying racism isn't real because if white people really hated black people all the black people would be dead.
so close yet so far

>>8775002
nice vagueposting

>>8774998
False equivalency because men always live next to women, but blacks and whites live mostly separated (aside from aberrations like the USA).

>>8775007
you literally answered yourself in that post, by did't saw it

>>8775011
Oh, I see. 5/10, got me to respond.

>>8774999
>You dumb retard.
There is no need to be upset.
> I wasn't just replying to one part of your post, ONE PART OF YOUR POST HAD THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ALREADY IN IT.
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>Like fuck do you people only hear what you want to hear? Do you fucking idiots only fucking read what words you want to see on the screen like god damn you fucking retard.
irony of this statment is lost on you apparently

>>8775010
And aberrations like Europe, several parts of Africa, Australia, Pacific islands...

>>8775023
Pretending to be ignorant isn't a defense.

>>8775027
>if you don't agree with me 100%, you are ignorant
sorry that's not how it works

>>8775023
Please respond to >>8774989

>>8775031
You're pretending to not be able to understand because you know you can't reply. Naicu.

>>8774526
Why do communists still like Stalin? Didn't he undermine democracy by killing his political opponents and their followers, caused a famine by killing skilled laborers and replacing them with people who had no idea how to farm and would have been better serving the cause by contributing in different field of work, and bring capitalism to a country of people who lost family and friends and risked their own lives in order to abolish that oppressive system? Besides his amazingly gorgeous Georgian face, what do modern communists see in him?

>>8775035
>>8774989
>You're moving the goalposts.
I don't.

>Homophobia towards all gay people is society still paying strict adherence to gender roles (though that's lessened a lot).
Yes. This is my point.

>Also misogyny is pretty tightly bound up in the "muh gender roles" thing
Not inherently.

>>8775041
Reply to what? "lel u answered urself"?

>>8775060
Similarly how Nazis retconned Hitler into saviour of white race, despite him killing several millions europeans.

>>8775067
I thought they justified it by retconning who is and isn't white while acknowledging Hitler killed them? With the exception of the Ashkenazim he killed. I know a lot of them deny that happened

>>8775075
>>8775067
What ever happened to the european races hating each other? What's with this sudden, seemingly random "white unity" stuff, it's completely against their actual heritage.

No, that sounds like third wave feminist bullshit.

Like all biggotry, it finds it's roots in individuals who are programmed to hate and marginalize specific group/s of people (on the basis of sex organs, skin color, gender, sexuality, synths, etc).

>>8775080
The Roman empire never actually fell, they just became a weird larping cult, and now they're using white supremacists to unite Europe under their banner again

>>8775075
despite what hollywoods want's you to believe most people killed by nazis weren't jews
>>8775080
There is no such a thing as european races (ok, there is but doesn't really matter)

>>8775092
You're more divided by your specific differences like german/french/irish, this idea of a "white race" is pure historical revisionism and your ancestors would be ashamed.

>>8775102
yes, pan-europeanism has it's merits, but "le white race" isn't one of them

>>8775085
And why would you say they hate those groups? What specific reasons do straight people have for hating gay men?

>>8775063
The thread started with >>8774775, and spawned a discussion of why specifically gay men have homophobia directed at them. >>8774976 brought women back into the discussion. Thus, goalposts moved.

>>8775164
>(You) brought women back into the discussion. Thus, goalposts moved.
It was just less fancy way of saying that "society doesn't like GNC people in general". You (and other person) not wanting to admit it, because it would defeat your argument doesn't make it goalpost moving.

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>>8775188
The question was why gay men get more shit than lesbians. I gave the answer. I don't know what else to tell you.

>>8774835
This is creepy as fuck, who is mentally ill enough to come up with these captions?

>>8774526
I think there is an element not of misogyny so much as irrational disdain for behaviors typically assigned to or permitted by women.

This list includes:

>being the submissive/receptive partner during sex

>"bitching" --that is complaining in a selfish or egocentric manner in a way that disrespects other people in the vicinity or other communicant's point of view

>wearing makeup that is not specifically for a theatrical, sporting, or military purpose (most men are cool with corpsepaint in metal, grease strips on footballers, or greasepaint camouflage on soldiers)

> dainty, delicate, flowery mannerisms

>Wearing women's clothes. Not an issue with women at all, but with men wearing women's clothes and therefore confusing straight men with crude senses as "traps"

>>8775520
your "why" is wrong, because it tries to detach homophobia from broader issue, in order to push agenda

No. In the animal kingdom homosexual animals are on average more nurturing and kinder to baby animals, and more likely to sacrifice themselves for the safety of those babies. On the other hand pedophilic animals (which do exist and preferentially and sometimes even exclusively mate with immature animals) are more harmful towards all animals, and especially immature animals and those that guard them.

Homophobia is an extension of pedophilia.

Is should be noted that misogyny is also an extension of pedophilia. Disproportianate repeated levels of violence against females rather than males is only exhibited by pedophilic animals, which again coincides with females being far more reliable defenders of young animals than adult males are. Misogyny and homophobia are related symptoms, but they're related horizontally rather than either one causing the other. The root illness causing both is pedophilia.

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>>8775585
>Observable phenomenon of men hating shit because it's "girly" is non-applicable to a group of men that show more feminine traits on average

Sure ok.

>>8775626
Comparing animal and human psychology that closely might not be workable anon. Animals are good for showing certain patterns of thought and behavior exist naturally, but I don't think there's much else.

>>8775652
No, you're wrong. There is no soul, evolution is real, the bible is bullshit.

>>8775664
No, you're *lying. There is no soul, evolution is real, the bible is bullshit.

You're all wrong.

It has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with misandry.

Think about it. Really who gets punished with male homophobia is all males, because it limits what is acceptable for male behavior.

We don't allow boys to develop sensitivity or kindness for each other, so that this act seems like a rebellion against the entire gender.

Because if many men who are latent bisexuals found out that they could be having a lot more fun with their mates than they once supposed, they would be more difficult to control and manipulate in most traditional religions or authoritarian schemes.

>>8775671
I wasn't talking about the souls, I was talking about comparing humans to animals that aren't part of the ape family.

>>8775699
>We don't allow boys to develop sensitivity or kindness for each other, so that this act seems like a rebellion against the entire gender.

Because those things are associated with women. Misandry would be hating masculine traits.

If it makes things clearer, misogyny is less just hating women and more hating women and/or thing associated with femininity.

>>8775699
To this I would add nobody does more harm to the male gender than men. The game men have been playing over the centuries, which is all ritualized preparation for war, is the most misandrist system every conceived and far worse than anything radical femminism can come up with.

For centuries we traditionally raise boys to mentally prepare them for having their lives tossed into the meat grinder of war. We throw away all the beauty and intelligence they are capable of so rich and powerful older men can cut down the competition in the Darwinian struggle.

>>8775726
No, because we allow that men can be sensitive and kind so long as they have a designated role.

Homophobes don't irrationally hate doctors who are sensitive and kind, male therapists, kindly and fatherly priests, or kind fathers.

>>8774964
>If men truly hated women, women wouldn't exist by now.

Well we're getting there very, very soon

>>8775726
>I wasn't talking about the souls, I was talking about comparing humans to animals that aren't part of the ape family.

All of the behaviors I described are present in every single species of ape there is, as well as every single other species. You were choosing to lie, because you were trying to promote evil over truth.

>>8775739
>We don't allow boys to develop sensitivity or kindness for each other, so that this act seems like a rebellion against the entire gender.
>>8775739
>No, because we allow that men can be sensitive and kind so long as they have a designated role.

Pick one. And as far as "designated role" goes, I can say the same about strong, bold women who are mothers, nurses, or cleaners.

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>>8775746
God damn you're right, it's my fault for not being an evolutionary biologist and not your fault for not making a clear argument as opposed to leading me to believe you were comparing humans and any other damn animal species on the planet.

>evil

Suggesting that you shouldn't compare human and, say, capybara psychology is just common sense.

>>8775776
Dog shit eating lies are not common sense.

>>8775784
What the fuck are you even on about

>>8775764
I'm sorry if your black and white brain can only see two options here, but there are more shades and nuances than that.

>>8775810
Do we let boys be sensitive or don't we

>>8775898
It depends on the decisions on the boy's parents, father specifically, but also anyone who might be his role model or guardian figure.

If you want to raise a boy to be tough and emotionally insensitive you can, in the same way you can raise a dog to be violent or cuddly.

>>8774653
Your phrasing is bad and it sounds like you're arguing for and against OP at the same time.

>>8775903
Ok.

So what is the difference between fathers that allow for sensitivity, and ones who don't?

>>8774526
I think it comes down to degeneracy than misogyny

>>8775947
I suppose it's that the fathers who allow sensitivity are typically more educated and cultured that fathers who promote a cruder vision of masculinity.

You'll notice many more white collar dads appear to be more comfortable with their sons being gender-bendy than many blue collar ones.

Also fathers who care more about their child's happiness than their own expectations or wishes for them will tend to let their boys go their own way.

>>8775635
This observable phenomenon is part of bigger issue whci you are happy to ignore.

>>8775745
I fucking hope. Artificial wombs when?

>>8774526

Yes, but I think misogyny is a good thing. The life is LGBT members is usually really sad, if people actually listened to bullies and started acting manly, they would probably have happier lives.

>>8776213
Feminists have tunnel vision out the wazoo and every time a man gets hurt in this world, it's misogyny.

If a man has a trailer accident and collapses half his house including himself into a ditch it's misogyny because he was doing it for pussy. Every time anybody acts toward their biological impulse they're just various stages of misogynist or misandrist. Every time every has a fucking instinct - they're all bigoted.

Stop being such a pussy and be a man. You like cock? What sorta shithead degenerate are you? I hope you get thrown of a building.

>>8774526
No, in fact, transmisogyny is an extension of misandry. Why do you think the only people who hate us are the ones who think we're male?

PS >>8780011
So is homophobia (against gay men, that is) - the "masculine ideal" that you're being forced into in the first place (and being punished for deviating from) is a product of misandry.

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>>8775041
this dude
lmao