1. Should parents who allow their children to transition be convicted

Parents who have children should be convicted of child abuse

>>8748165
Everyone should be convicted of child abuse.
It's the only way to be sure.

>>8748135
All the large pediatric groups say it's necessary

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958
http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext

And not treating with blockers leads to a 4000% increase in mortality.

>>8748193
>putting your kid on blockers because there is a 2% its not just a phase.

3. Should OP's parents who allow their intellectually stunted <18 son to shitpost on an adult website be convicted of child abuse?

>>8748135
3. Should parents who circumcise their children be convicted of child abuse?

Nobody knows the rates of suicide, crime, etc. in PRE-transition trans people because it's logistically impossible data to collect. We have no way of identifying trans people in the general population.

The longest-running study on trans people to date found that our crime rates and suicide rates have been comparable to the general population since the 90s.

>>8748135

1. Yes
2. No

>>8748201
You mean a 100% it's not a phase http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

>>8748265
98% of gender questioning kids evantually grow out of it

55 kids that the doctors cherry picked is not accurate.

yes

yes

kill all straights

>>8748135
lmao @ that pic you posted op

the same can be said of anyone who's not straight. i guess if you're not straight you're mentally ill too

>>8748344
Well yes technically if you are not hetero then technically you have a mental illness.

Not all mental illnesses are bad. Its like us gays have depression but you trannies have scizophenria

>>8748371
it's really a shame that schizophrenia has been so harshly treated throughout the ages. think about how many more trans people there'd be if it were viewed more positively. it's just a way cishet society wants to get us to conform, literally forcing us out of society until we're not schizophrenic anymore.

>>8748135
If a kid is saying theyre trans you better listen

this is just pointless argument, let everyone have a more enjoyable life if they don't hurt people...

>>8748439
If a kid is saying he is a helicopter you better listen

>>8748439
Yeah, you better listen and run, don't walk, to REAL mental health care who can straighten them out, not a (((gender therapist)))

>>8748135
I already have a conversative therapists lined up incase one of my child comes to me with GD.

>>8748135
1) yes. all pediatricians agree that it is child abuse
2) that one's not

Yes
No

>>8748165
/thread

>>8748515
>>8748556
>>8752045
Appeal to nature

Fight me.

I don't know that I'd actually want to convict parents who do *not* allow transitioning of abuse, but I would allow the children to be treated against the wishes of the parents. I'm too old for early transitioning to have been an option at the time, but having to wait until I was an adult to transition only caused me harm. Nothing good came from waiting.

The fact that you only get two options should tell you something.

1) parents put you on blockers. You look less masculine but get a shota dick and have a hard time getting SRS
2) You dont get blockers and can get a decent neo vagina but look like a hon

Theres a third option, less stressful, dangerous and expensive: crossdress sometimes and dont fall for the surgical jew

>>8748201

This.

The odds of doing serious harm are greater than chances of some hipothetical benefit.

>>8752210
Wouldn't you want to be on blockers if you never planned on going for SRS?

Jesus, even your own logical "puzzles" are retarded and only prove you want crossdressing femboys to jerk off to.

>j-just be a trap! post your ass for me!

God, it's disgusting. Hang yourself.

>>8748301
>the doctors are wrong, not me anonymous shitposter on 4chan!

another toadlet with its esoteric alt knowledge built from societal wizardry despite the fact it spends all its days alone

DOCTORS > SHITPOSTERS on 4CHAN

DEAL WITH IT

The benefits of letting them do it far outweigh the flaws

>>8752223

You cannot critize the current trans dogma without being called transphobic.

>>8752217
https://youtu.be/cY_vd1jMiUI

>>8752249
You're doing it right now and nobody's called you shit. You're just like the /pol/tards whining about le racial realism: in reality if you had the gumption or the will to challenge consensus, you'd be doing so, in the field, right now.

You can't because you're a layman. A worthless, spineless, mindless layman who regurgitates opinions from 4chan and tumblrite talking points all day long trying to claim "they"re just putting you down. It's all "the man", just like the fucking hippies whenever you challenged on bullshit.

Eat a toad. Laymen have no opinions, only spew.

>>8752249
Yes, there is....provided it isn't transphobic.

We're sorry that all the arguments you can think of are, well, completely and utterly invalid, but your inability to make up shit that makes sense does not constitute a conspiracy on our part.

>>8752253
didn't click femboy fetishist

>>8752258
>nobody should talk on the internet because trannies.
okay.

but seriously, why don't trannies accept themselves as perverts like the rest of us? It's not like you're a real woman. You're a "trans-woman" aka a "cross dresser" or a "pervert".

>>8752273
>get BTFO
>resort to insults and strawmanned positions "everyone's telling me to STFU because they refuted me"

Typical laymen behavior from someone with a sore bottom.

>>8752258
>>8752260

Galileo was burned at the stake for defying the common knowledge that "everybody" knew back then. Scientists are not infallible, so you shouldn't shame anyone with a different opinion.

>>8752287
>I'm Galileo!

No you're not. You have no intention of ever putting a foot toward disproving any consensus. You wish you were a tenth of Galileo or any man strong enough to put his actions where his shitposting lay.

You can't. You can just shit it up on 4chan and claim it's equivalent to Galileo's example. It's not.

The ineffectiveness of arguing with TERFs... You're more like the people who did that stuff, for no reason except wanting others to be miserable for 'my reasons'.

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>>8752279
There will be a generation raised now that will reject you and people like you later. It'll be lead by the children you inflicted this "treatment" on.

>>8752287
You don't give a damn about helping trans kids or trans adults. You just want them to suffer.

>>8752304
Laymen resorting to "we will bury you in twenty years", a typical /pol/ tactic. I call it IOUs for an asskicking, because that's all it ever will be.

>>8752304
If I had been able to get treatment as a teenager I'd be happy about it.

>>8752293
t. Galileo's torturers

>>8752314
Laymen resorting to shitposting as soon as he runs out of arguments.

>>8752312
unless it didn't work out like Jazz.

Jazz has regrets. I can see the "detransitioning" rate going higher for the "early transitioning" group.

>>8752293
>No you're not. You have no intention of ever putting a foot toward disproving any consensus.

Just putting an example of how scientist could be seriously mistaken, to the point of murdering somebody who doesn't agree.

You should be more skeptic, since the subject has been severely politicized. Now it is not only arguing against the understanding of a condition, but it is criticizing an ideology.

But hey, it's not me who is getting filled with hormones.

>>8752314
Galileo's torturers were the /pol/tards and TERFs of that era. Galileo is more akin to doctors and scientists advancing trans research and health care.

>>8752320
There are surgical options including skin grafts. If stem cell vaginas become a thing that could be another option.

>>8752321
You're not Galileo and you never will be. End of discussion.

>open your miiinndd to embrace my alt knowledge

Why is always the same with toadlets? Your mind is only as open as the degree that /pol/ tells you it can be, and you claim you see the light.

Galileo would gawk.

>>8752326
Their reasons for being anti-trans have nothing to do with science and everything to do with ideology and their own personal foibles.

>>8752322
>The establishment narrative then is the equivalent of the fringe narrative today
???

>>8752333
It's one long appeal to nature from beginning to end, coupled with "OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE" and tactics that conspiratards have been using since the 9/11 days.

>>8752335
My point is that Galileo was a scientist, and he was a pioneer of what became the mainstream. He fits in more with true scientists trying to help trans people. Those who opposed Galileo were going off ideology, personal foibles, and resistance to the truth, like /pol/tards and TERFs.

>>8752352
>and he was a pioneer of what became the mainstream.
No thanks to people like you and your political agendas.

>>8752364
t. butthurt heliocentrist

>>8752320
>Jazz has regrets.
Because "she" is a gay male who was transed by "her" homophobic parents. >>8752312 wasn't.

>>8752378
>transed by "her" homophobic parents

So it is always the parent's fault?

Not of the doctors that were 100% sure he was trans and gave him hormones?

>>8752366
>defend Galileo
>get called a heliocentrist
This is how you give away your understanding of the issues.

>>8752391
The parents have to sign off on the form you numpty.

As always blanchardist, you demonstrate your complete inability to understand consent wavers and how they relate to someone under the age of majority.

>>8752394
>drag up a corpse so you can use the corpse to argue that everything that goes against consensus with no intention of ever challenging consensus
>get BTFO
>rely on insults after BTFO
>get mad when people insult you back

The classic thin skin of the toadlet in action.

>>8752391
PS: If treatment KILLS the child, it's still the parent's fault for signing off. Not the doctor's. This is how the law works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Rebecca_Riley#Aftermath

>>8752404
>>8752395

True. But the doctors make the diagnosis.

If the child dies due to a wrong diagnosis, it is the doctors fault.

The doctors should have known that he wasn't trans.

>>8752414
>doesn't even read the link

Michael and Carolyn Riley were taken into police custody on February 6, 2007 for Rebecca’s death and charged with first degree murder. Their two other children, who were also on a number of prescription medications, have been moved to foster homes and the Department of Social Services reports the parents have a history of being abusive and neglectful. On February 9, 2010, Carolyn Riley was found guilty of second degree murder in the death of her daughter and was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 15 years. Michael's trial began on March 8, 2010. On September 27, 2010, Michael Riley was found guilty of first degree murder and received the automatic sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.[1][3]

As of 2013, Kayoko Kifuji continues to practice as a child psychiatrist.[1][3]

Go argue with your lawyer all day, I'm done.

>>8752414
>doctors are infallible

You'd have every doctor stripped of their license to practice across the country. Enjoy your healthcare crisis then.

>>8752414
>The doctors should have known that he wasn't trans.
But isn't "trans" some vague "feeling" where a diagnosis is pretty much no different than reading tea leaves or throwing chicken bones?

>>8752429
>hurrdurr I can't use an EMM ARR I that means it voodooo

Spot the /pol/ brainlets in action.

>>8752414
Since when was Jazz said she's not trans?

>>8752429
There's nothing vague about gender dysphoria if it's bad enough.

>>8752404
>Carolyn Riley was found guilty of second degree murder in the death of her daughter and was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 15 years.
>Michael Riley was found guilty of first degree murder and received the automatic sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Wonder why the man was charged with the worse crime.

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>>8752439
soon.

>>8752428
>You'd have every doctor stripped of their license to practice across the country. Enjoy your healthcare crisis then.

I never said that doctors were infallible, just said it was their fault, not the parent's.

>>8752429
>But isn't "trans" some vague "feeling" where a diagnosis is pretty much no different than reading tea leaves or throwing chicken bones?

Yes, that's why children shouldn't be transitioned.

>>8752448
>>8752429
sockpuppeting

>>8752444
Pretty vague if it's just a feeling. At least gays get a boner if they are exposed to gay pornography.

The Uni Bomber was convinced by his psychiatrist that he was trans, until he decided that blowing people up was a better use of his time.

>>8752448
>Yes, that's why children shouldn't be transitioned.
Only it's not a vague feeling, and making trans kids wait until 18 causes them harm.

>>8752457
>doesn't go tranny
>instead becomes a serial murderer

Proof that going tranny is the mentally healthy option. Otherwise you jerk off in the woods all day reading an prim bibles and mailing pipe bombs off to government workers all day.

>>8752446
>Wonder why the man was charged with the worse crime.
The courts consider women to be large children and it was the man's job to stop the lunacy of letting people experiment on his child.

>>8752457
What usually happens isn't that psychs convince people they're trans. It's the trans people who have to convince the psychs.

>>8752461
>Proof that going tranny is the mentally healthy option.
Not really. You're all probably just victims of medical professionals having a bit of "fun". It's like pulling the wings off a butterfly, but instead you're just ruining a man's life by making him grow tits, putting him in a dress and telling him it's "normal" and that everything is "going to be okay". lol.

>>8748135

>1. Yes.
>2. No.

>>8752472
>probably

Go mail off another pipe bomb Ted

>>8748230

>3. Yes.

>>8752472
See >>8752467

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>>8752481
>>8752478
Tell me you're happy people. Say you are "happy" and mean it.

>>8752488
>anime reaction image and babby's first psychoanalysis

Is this the best you've got? kek my sides

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>>8752495
you couldn't do it.

>>8752506
A loaded question deserves no reply. Read into my mentality as you wish, for you were going no matter how I replied.

>>8752488
Am I happy as far as my life being perfect and everything I would like it to be? No. Am I happy as far as being glad to be alive, eager to get up in the morning, looking forward to the future, planning to die of old age but wishing I didn't have to, and getting enjoyment out of life? Absolutely. Also my doc hasn't seen a need to refer me to a psych and I'm not on any psych meds.

>>8752513
>Read into my mentality as you wish, for you were going no matter how I replied.
no, I'm actually more astonished by your honesty, but it's tied up in your pride and denial of the situation you're in.

>>8752522
>planning to die of old age but wishing I didn't have to
there's the crack. that and the general denial of the question.

nice dance.

>>8752538
What crack? We all die. I just think life is too short. I could easily see myself living 200 or more years. I have more than enough things I'd like to do to keep me busy.
Also I'm not claiming my life is perfect but I'm happy to be alive, and I don't have any pathological unhappiness that needs treatment. If I'm upset about something I get over it.
What makes you so unhappy that you have to troll trannies like you do? What ticks, foibles, and pathologies are driving you?

>>8752559
>What makes you so unhappy that you have to troll trannies like you do? What ticks, foibles, and pathologies are driving you?
maybe it has to do with the fact that this is supposed to be /lgbt/ and it's more like /tttt/ and there is nothing else to talk about here except men in dresses and their aggressive opinions. "Manly" aggression if you will.

>>8752565
More like trans women and trans men defending themselves.

>>8752559
I also have a question. How do you balance insecurity you feel and hostility against a public that you make uncomfortable with being feminine while having undeniable masculine physical traits?

It must be such a task to keep these things in balance all the time.

>>8752586
naw, we both know transmen have no problems here.

I mean, why would they?

>>8752599
Leading question filled with false assumptions.

>>8752599
When I figure it out, anon, I'll let you know. I almost detransitioned because all the hostility fed into depression. Ultimately I'm glad I dodged that bullet though, at least this way I can live with myself, and I've realized the public knows less than Jon Snow. Most people can't understand others' decisions because they can't imagine themselves making them.

>>8752604
Transmen have plenty of problems on here. They aren't belittled but they're subtly demeaned on a consistent basis. TERFs just giggle at them and say "that's nice dear" undermining what they want to be. /pol/tards just treat them like tomboys.

Sure, it's not as mean, but it's just as degrading.

Denying children treatment for a medical condition is abuse, so yes parents who deny their children transition should be convicted of child abuse.

>>8752629
>transmen having problems
>not constantly attacked in the media or used to scare conservatives
>inevitably pass with hormones
>/pol/ doesn't even care
>no agp bullshit to fight

>>8752599
Not that poster but pretty much everybody's fine with me m8. No one really cares.

>>8752658
>no agp bullshit to fight
>implying transmen aren't mostly aap

>>8752629
>AMABs get murdered
>AFABs claim being giggled at is just as bad
Some things never change. Cis or trans.

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>>8752626
>Leading question filled with false assumptions.
obviously not "generally speaking" though.

>>8753082
You can work through your problems if you're trans though. Being trans doesn't doom you to a life of despair. Developing a more positive attitude and mood can take a lot of time and hard work but it can be done. For me transitioning and SRS were necessary preconditions for me to improve my outlook on life.