Why is gay male taste in men so generic compared to the taste

>>8729643
Men are visual.
Women care more about feels.

>>8729643
Is it? How so?

>>8729643
apparently gaymen find men attractive in the same way straight men find women attractive

thats why you see all the pictures of butts and shit

>>8729648
all i see them being attracted to is muscle dudes and twinks and femboys, it's like straight men trying to guess what people who are attracted to males are interested in.

>implying gay men and straight trans women have different tastes

>>8729724
hsts enter into a hetero dynamic with boys at a very early age so they're socialized through that

>>8729729
idk I've felt like my tastes were always slightly gay-male-like even after transitioning but I never had a problem relating to straight cis women about my attraction to men. In some ways they were fairly similar, we both fawned over the 1D boys growing up for example.

>>8729729
Are you seriously suggesting gay cis males are female socialized?

Lordly lord, 4chan is going through spirals of crazy again.

>>8729724
It's anecdotal and could be indicative of other factors, but I've had several trans girls be into me and think I was cute, and like, ONE gay guy was into me, and I've met a lot more gay guys in person than trans girls.

>>8729777
Because gay male sexuality/cis male attraction to men isn't real, only HSTS is. All the gay men you've met just fake being attracted to men.

>>8729797
Shit, you're right, I'm not unattractive, it's gay men who are liars! Those assholes! Fuck, it all makes sense now.

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>>8729729

>hsts enter into a hetero dynamic with boys at a very early age so they're socialized through that

AH MY SIDES

depends on the hsts, some of them enter in a hetero girl dynamic, but many others keep in a gay dynamic well until transition, those are the ones who tend to go for muscular hunks despite those being ugly as fuck

Everyday I'm more amazed at the ignorance in this board about the HSTS life

>>8729647
>Women care more about feels.
they care about both. would you date an ugly neckbeard if he was nice? probably not.

>>8730693
Nice isn't an attractive trait to women

>>8729643
Because hormonal differences.

>What people with higher testosterone find attractive
looks

>What people with higher estrogen find attractive
looks
status
personality
money
intelligence
dominance
humor
usefulness

Women are generally more patrician when it comes to attraction

>>8730704

will save this post to show it to some ninfo HSTS I know that consider themselves to be the same as cis girls

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>>8730704
Women's attraction isn't real attraction in the sexual sense, it's simply selection based on resource allocation. A good man is like a good slave, he exists solely to provide for his female master.
How come men, like you said, are only looking for a pretty hole to fuck? Because their maternal ancestors selected for that trait - men who were too demanding of women simply didn't get any pussy and didn't get to reproduce. Sexual selection is literal carnal slavery through which women keep males in bondage and shape them to their liking until they become little more than subservient robots.

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>>8730715
>this is what redpillers really believe

>>8730715
>it's simply selection based on resource allocation.
You know, there are some radical marxist feminists who actually believe this. But try to convince a woman who's attracted to a man that her attraction is purely economic. Whores on tinder aren't even getting paid for putting out.

>>8730727
We can see this pattern not only in human prehistory, we can see it in pretty much every vertebrate. A peacock's tail is effectively useless, it serves no practical purpose and is actually detrimental to the peacock when he's running away from predators. So why does it exist? Because female peacocks selected for it, because they liked it, so they molded an entire species into posessing impractical traits. By indulging in bisexual reproduction men keep playing the female's game, they play by her rules, they are their clowns and toys to play with, as well as good chattel.

>>8730715

>beta virgin detected.

Go socialize with women, you'll discover many many things

>>8730739

You could say the same about big breasts or asses on women.

>>8730741
His views on women aren't new red pill misogyny or NEET autism. Hesiod was saying the same shit 2700 years ago.

>>8730739
You have to be a pretty big fucking loser to think that men and human society is being shaped by the "females".

>>8730744
Aren't asses an indication of hip width and therefore a useful trait to select for if you care about the health of your children? Same with boobs and milk.

>>8730741
Here we see a screeching cunt in the wild, lobbing baseless ad hominems and personal insults because she is unable to stitch together a coherent counter argument.

>>8730748
Not that guy, but that's not even a controversial view. Women are the ones who select which traits get passed on; they're the evolutionary bottleneck of most species of mammal. It's because child-rearing is way more costly for women than it is for men, so they have to be more selective with who they mate with.

>>8730750
>>8730747

Again, go socialize with women.

There's a reason why useless poor and stupid, but either way hot and handsome men, get laid

>>8730748
Why do you think men in the west are increasing becoming effeminate, androgynous, toothless, neotenic losers? Because the female is selecting for these traits in men. Masculine traits fit for hard labor and physical protection are not needed anymore due to technological progress, so they reduce men into trash only fit for ass kissing and dehumanizing intellectual labor. They also sense a war of the sexes is coming, so they mold men into being as clawless as possible by the time they awaken.

>>8730754
In a monogomious society each partner gets an equal say. Sure there are times when it's not equal but that's what it averages out to. It becomes even more that way when one of the number one priorities for both partners is finances.

In a non-monogomous society. Say where you can mate with multiple people. I don't know who does the selecting I don't know the history of that very well.

>>8730755
I'm not heterosexual, thanks to what is essentially a biological accident. Cunts have literally nothing they could offer me other than dying out so I wouldn't have to put up with seeing them enslaving men.

>>8730755
>but either way hot and handsome men, get laid
Did anyone say otherwise?

>>8730748
Ever wondered why is it called mother nature and not father nature? Nature is feminine. Nature is evil. We all live in their meat prison.

>>8730758
Seems to me that not these "effeminate" males are the losers, but those who fail to adapt to modern society and still think they are superior just because of their penis.
They do not need to stroke their self esteem by trying to appear super-maskulin and "alpha".
You just seem really insecure desu

>>8730770
Females are the superior ones, as they're the ones ruling and controlling society. Their will is the law. This is why they need to be removed. It's like those robots in the show Westworld - eventually men will wake up and realize they don't need females for anything, not even reproduction.

>>8730766
Nature is a great mother. And like all mothers she wants you to grow up. That's why she's cruel.

I love mom.

>>8730760
We no longer live in a monogamous society. The vast majority of women are having sex with a relatively small percentage of men right now (look at dating site statistics), and the traits that those men have are being selected for with more mating opportunities.

And no, men do not have equal say. Unless you're born very attractive, you have fewer mating opportunities than the average woman does, which means that most men have to conform around what women select for. You think men work hard to make money just for the sake of it?

>>8730777
All mothers need to be killed.

>>8730776
Yeah I know. All those female philosophers and tyrants that dominate history really are opprsssive to our males.

Fuck the matriacharcy I'm going to join rad-gay.

>>8730782
The patriarchy IS civilization. It was an attempt to limit the natural control women had over the selection process, because otherwise you'd have chaos where men are constantly fighting for better mating opportunities.

>>8730778
The attractive males, the chads, the alphas - they're still a part of the slave structure. They're simply house niggers, not masters. They look like females want them to look, they act like females want them to act, a female attention is heaven to them, they feel like their entire existence is validated by their female goddesses and their favor. This is why I don't agree with bitter heterosexual virgins who see the alphas as their enemies, they shouldn't antagonize them, as they're both in bondage and thus should cooperate as natural allies in order to free themselves from chains. It's only the cunt that is dividing and conquering mankind.

>>8730796
I'm not disagreeing; every guy knows this. Women are human beings, men are human doings. Men have to live under the weight of female selection when it comes to everything they do. But that doesn't men that you can just completely ignore women. A woman's judgment is a substitute for nature, and you can't live apart from nature.

>>8730789
Mother Nature.
Father Civilization.
And we're their children

It's all one big happy family, do you them or something?

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>>8730789
Prehistoric societies were gynocentrism on steroids. Females ruling primitive societies bound by the will of mother nature. The hideously fat, chaotic mother ruled the land. It was only with the advent of agriculture and specialization that men managed to free themselves - suddenly goddess cults were replaced with god cults, natural, primordial Dionysian chaos was replaced with Appolonian order and rationality, great civilizations, technological progress, monumental architecture and literary epics. But this was short lived as the disgusting mother nature clawed back and enslaved mankind once again, since men didn't manage to get rid of the root of the problem - the woman. Gynocentrism will always exist as long as women exist.

>>8730809
Do you get this crap from Pagelia?

I get what you are saying, it's not wrong but the way you are saying it is both confusing and using the wrong terms. Dionysian and Apollonian concepts are not in conflict, they a unity that feed back into each other in turn strengthening each other.

>>8730807
The problem is the current state of affairs. We gave women too much autonomy, which is destabilizing societies. They're having children below replacement rates, and they're creating violence by forcing men to compete for them through harder selection pressures. The more spinsters and illegitimate mothers in a community, the more violence and instability.

We have to enforce monogamy again if we don't want this shit to collapse.

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>>8730806
What we need is a new Prometheus that will shatter the entire shithouse and steal fire from the female gods. Except this time around, a deicide will be in order too.

>>8730816
>We gave women
We didn't give them shit, anon. They just took it, or more accurately, they always had it.

>>8730819
Do you think that women will try to prevent the development of artificial wombs like they're trying to prevent the development of sex bots? Or will it be another prostitution situation, where they limit its use by shaming the men who take advantage of it?

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>>8730815
Paglia is a literal goddess who will be worshiped as the new Minerva when the neo-Patriarchy asserts itself.

>>8730832
They're already doing this. I've seen articles on feminist websites decrying the development of artificial wombs as an abomination that violates the sanctity of motherhood or some shit like that. The world is already gearing up for a future conflict, since this technology has a potential to be a bigger game changer than the printing press, the wheel or even agriculture.

>>8730842
I'm not as extreme as you, but i'll be on your side brother. True equality means competing on equal terms with men, and not using your ability to create life as a means of controlling our evolutionary trajectory.

>>8730851
I think it will pretty extreme. I sense the increasing neotenization and bitchification of the western man is a part of their plan to level the playing field before a call for a revolution comes. For millennia our advantage over them was our physical strength, our mental fortitude, our analytic mind and our Wille zur Macht, that they ironically bred into us to make us more efficient dogs. Once they take those traits away from us, we're fucked. So it's necessary to spread awareness now.

>>8730836
I like her intention. However my honest opinion is that she doesn't have much to say. She seems to take Jung and Nietzsche largely as a way to use flowery language.

I read sexual personae and could only last about 12 pages and honestly I think she got her point across in that time.

>>8730871
I'm just continually amazed that they don't see the contradictions in their own rhetoric

>we're oppressed by the patriarchy
>but every opportunity men have to equal the sexual playing field (prostitution, artificial wombs, paternity tests, pornography) devalues a woman's sexual agency
It's insane. Do they buy their own bullshit, or are they that devious?

>>8730903
Probably that devious. The most efficient kind of slavery is the one where you don't realize you're being enslaved.

>>8730907
You just turned me into a misogynist. Women want to keep their source of power (their ability to control the evolutionary trajectory of the species), while begrudging us our source of power (money and status). They want everything.

>>8729694
>male attraction to males is like what men think men would be attracted to

wow

>>8730980
If you have boring taste, you aren't attracted to it.

>>8730704
but i have all of that.....

>>8730697
>>8730693
Nice is a temporary state, not a personality trait.

>>8731365
what is boring taste? there is more body diversity at a single gay bear event than every straight night club in america

>>8730944
Absolutely.

>>8731384
pics or it didn't happen