Is the cotton ceiling real? If so what should be done to prevent

>>8726729
It's real, but it isn't discimination.

>>8726729
It's not discrimination. Some people like vaginas, you can't tell them that they should like penis just because.

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>>8726729
Has there *ever* been a case where a trans woman was violently attacked or murdered by a cis lesbian for being trans?

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I love how they put "lesbian" in quotes, like you aren't a real lesbian unless you like sucking dick

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>>8726915
I'm bi trans and I really don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for some people. I would never even think of trying to force anyones attraction to me. A lesbian? Who likes penises? It doesnt even make sense.

>>8726946
A woman? Who has a penis? It doesnt even make sense.

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>>8726946
Thanks for understanding, bby. A lot of trans girls are super fucking cute, and I'd be lying if I said I'd never date one, but I just couldn't even look at that pen0r. They're like ugly, sweaty mushrooms that grow out of where a pretty folded up vagina should be :( makes me want to retch t b h

>>8726957
Hey it's not their fault that some girls are born horribly deformed. They're making their best effort.

everyone is allowed to not want to date or have sex with anybody without it being """hate""""

>>8726991
also
t. mtf

it's purely genital fetish. lesbians not liking dick is just a meme between lesbians; not being sexually attracted to men is what makes lesbians lesbians. the pervading narrative is that men are awful, raped creatures and anything with them is a sin in lesbian culture.

so there are trans women, who are women, with dicks, who are interested in lesbians. (And also not with dicks for the post ops so there's no excuse) it's chic to call transwomen men. except most trans women don't like their dicks and some can't even use them so it's not like a terrifying thing. and in the event it is used, and let me rock your world here, dick is actually pretty awesome and fun. just like gay guys claim to be grossed out by vaginas, they will still fuck them because they feel incredible. the same goes for lesbians and dicks.

except the cotton ceiling stops that because of lesbian meme culture. thankfully that crap is finally going away as older lesbians fade out of relevance

>>8727009
why can't you just date straight or bisexual women?

>>8727009
but do you think it's right or smart or not weird and creepy and scary to try to bully lesbians about not liking dick?

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>>8727009
>lesbians not liking dick is just a meme between lesbians
Are you high on bath salts right now?

>>8727024
>>8727025
the point is they're not even giving transwomen a chance because of biased reasons based in bullshit memes. it's pure hate for no deserved reason.

>>8726729
The cotton ceiling is a TERF meme used to bludgeon trans women.

>>8727081
jesus christ it's not bias or hate to not want to date or have sex with somebody because they have a set of genitals you don't like
whether or not somebody should be "given a chance" is completely up to the person
people in relationships should like each other and want to be together and forcing it in any way is not going to work

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>>8727081
Sexual attraction isn't a meme you completely autistic person. It's a biological pull towards someone else's biology. It doesn't care about your feelings. It's primal and real. You can't move it or change it.

>>8726909
Probably. Lesbians are a violent people

>>8727122
Prove it.

>>8726729
Yes and no?
Some people really do discriminate against transwomen. Its no where near as wide spread as people make it out to be and its hard to tell who is actually working off of inborn preference and who is being "transphobic" because you have to take people at their word (which is untrustworthy at best in surveys like this) that its literally impossible to really know.
Maybe if you cunts would stop trying to delegitamize each other and actualy have a civil discussion without childish name calling, we might be able to come to an agreement.
Like alot of things in life, polarizing stances are usually drastic oversimplifications of reality.
I dont like the term "cotton ceiling" though. It just sounds dumb and feels like some butthurt tranny needed a buzzword.

>>8727009
You were kind of making a good point until you dropped your opinion about dick in there.
Can no one remain objective for like a second around here?

>>8727118
The problem is when TERFs say a few trans women getting frustrated with not being able to date lesbians (which is not discrimination fwiw) means all trans women are rapists.

>>8727153
Who cares what radicals say you dumbass. Hateful people who hang on the fringes of ideologies will always, always exist. 99% of people know that you aren't a rapist unless you rape someone. Which you are, if you ever try and force a lesbian to pleasure your disgusting smegma sausage.
I mean, you really think that you can "rock your world" with one of those clumsy male tumors? Get the fuck over yourself, seriously.

>>8727108
yes, it is, and that's exactly what bias and hate is. let's say i was Mexican instead of trans and you didn't like Mexican people. I couldn't change that, I was born Mexican. Just like I was born with what genitals I have. not giving a chance is pure transphobia, genital fetish etc. just be a person and be accepting. if you don't like it then be like hey nah, I tried it, not for me instead of "ew gross"

that kneejerk bias is where it's unfair

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>>8727183
sexual orientation and racism aren't even in the same fucking galaxy you thickheaded fuck

>>8727118
i'm not arguing it is a meme, i am saying the cis-centric fixation in lesbian culture is more of a shared common ground/commiseration. lesbian culture has for decades been largely based around being virulently anti-man and sure maybe that's earned but trans women are not men but we still get pooped on by lesbians who claim we are men

It's so retarded to attack someone's lesbianism because she won't sleep with trans women. So trans women aren't men, but cis women are? Even if she's not fucking trans women, she's still fucking women, that's still a lesbian! She'd also still be a lesbian if she refused to fuck redheads, she's still fucking women!

>>8727183
your genitals matter a lot more in a relationship than your ethnicity does
and what do you mean with "giving a chance" or "trying it"? getting to know you?

>>8727200
You said it was a meme twice
And I consider trans women to be women equals, and would date one, but I will not touch your dick or have sex with it. I am repulsed by penises, because I am a lesbian. Do you understand? Do you have a handler who can read this to you slowly?

I hate this meme that SEXuality is not about SEX but instead about GENDER.

Like a lesbian should be attracted to a closeted, pre-everything trans woman? Fuck no, that might be a woman on the inside but the outside is 100% male at that point.

Like sure, liking a dick girl doesn't necessarily have implications on someone's sexuality, but for some people it does. Fuck, some men feel gay just dating a muscle chick. Everyone's line's different.

>>8727200
>cis-centric fixation in lesbian culture is more of a shared common ground/commiseration
its literally the entire reason they are lesbians, the majority of lesbians do not want to have sex with someone that has a penis. just like the vast majority of gay men do not want to have sex with someone with a vagina. its not commiseration, its the reason for the fucking label.

>lesbian culture has for decades been largely based around being virulently anti-man
those are your preconceptions based on political and college lesbians.

>>8727212
okay let's clarify. yes, it is a "meme" but it was a meme before memes were a thing, it is something that has existed in lesbian culture forever mostly unfairly. it's unfair to name trans women as men. as far as penis goes sure, don't touch it, it's fine. many of us don't want to/can't use ours anyway. but we still get hate for having one, because of the meme/lesbian culture trope.

it is grossly unfair to not date us because of it, something outside of our present control. because we are women, and last i checked lesbians are attracted to women. when we say that though, lesbians tend to say "we are attracted to women---with vaginas." and that's where calling cis lesbians genital fetishists comes from

I like girls, that doesn't mean I like vaginas or dicks, since there are girls with dicks, and girls with vaginas.

So if I don't like girls with penises, that means I like girls, but not trans girls, which is pretty trans exclusionary.

For the thousandth time no it is not wrong to not want to date people with a certain set of genitals because that's your innate preference yes a lot of people don't date transsexuals solely because of social brainwashing and would find them attractive in a vacuum so it is important to look into your motivation.

>>8727183

People are free to fuck who they want, you can't -make- anyone like something they don't like. Deal with it. Move the fuck on.

>mtfs try to argue terfs
>unintentionally proving terfs right every single time
why some people can't understand that telling lesbians to "shut up and take the dick" just SCREAMS testosterone filled toxic maledness?

>>8726915
i was kekkling at that too

>>8726729
Stop being so fucking disgusting and learn that some people will never love your battle axe wound. In fact, learn how to be a human first and how normal well adjusted people deal with things like rejection and basic everyday interaction.

>>8727300
Because it isn't actually an argument people make.
>>8727295

>>8727249
>it is grossly unfair to not date us because of it, something outside of our present control.

how fucking entitled can you be? no one is obligated to date you for ANY reason

>>8727009
I'm a gay man. The idea of fucking a vagina grosses me the fuck out.
I would NEVER fuck one.
I also wouldn't fuck an ftm who had a penis.
And shocker here, I don't even like penises.
I'm just actually grossed out by the idea of touching a vagina.
I'm sure the same applies to lesbians and dicks.
Stop trying to force your retarded theories into the realm of fact.

>>8727387

Wait, if it's the vagina that's the problem, why is there still a problem if the vagina's gone?

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>>8727387
Thanks gaybro
t. dykebro

>>8727398
The vagina is part of the problem. Being a woman isn't only about having a vagina, but it's a major part.
The fact an ftm was born female renders them completely sexually unappealing to me. That Laith guy for example, I thought he was hot, found out he was FTM and the attraction evaporated.
It's irrational but a natural impulse.
I'm sure the same is with lesbians and mtfs.
Even if you chop your dick off and put in what resembles a vagina, you were still a born a man and unfortunately for trans people that alone is a turn off for I'm sure a lot of people.

>>8727416
Np. I don't get how some of these transbians can't understand why you don't want them.
Typical male entitlement and aggression desu.

>>8727326
Hmm, 4chan IS one of places where transbians aren't rapey. Much different on other online transsexual spaces

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>>8727446
>The fact an ftm was born female renders them completely sexually unappealing to me. That Laith guy for example, I thought he was hot, found out he was FTM and the attraction evaporated.
See, this is the part where it moves over into arguable transphobia IMO, when there's no practical issue, eg anatomy or fertility.

But even if that's the case, you're perfectly entitled to it. And assuming this distinction doesn't also apply to how you generally treat trans people, then it's literally no one's business and power to you.

But like I said, it's still arguable. I mean fuck, I'd have the same evaporation of attraction if I found out someone I liked was really into screamo music, it doesn't make me I see them as less human.
Well, maybe a little.

Christ, this shit won't stop until all people that transgendered folks find attractive are forced to be with any transperson that demands it on pain of death.

>>8727503
TERF lesbians would be bros if they didnt have crazy views on the nature of gender and discrimination. Then again if they didn't have crazy views on gender, they wouldn't be TERF.

>>8727525
What would you call a lesbian who doesn't want benis in their intimate space but also doesn't feel oppressed by men and considers them equals?

>>8727538
A lesbian?

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>>8727550
Fantastic, everything adds up then

>>8727525
Huh? They're trans and targeting a TERF for what she said.

How else should women who don't want to sleep with MTFs put it? "Please don't fuck me. I promise that It's not that I'm not turned on by you, but I don't want a fistula."

Real talk: the vast, overwhelming majority of transsexuals have never said anything like this. The actual point that is often made is much subtler. People parrot this extremist caricature because it gets (you)s and makes people think trannies as a whole are unreasonable.

>>8726974
This. As a cis lesbian i would totally date some mtfs i've seen totally passable ones but the genitals are where there's a problem. Dicks scare me/makes me feel uncomfy and even with surgery,their vaginas are just...not the same as cis vaginas? I know the try their best but i just can't.

>>8727558
"I dont like penis, the fact that you have or used to have one bothers me"

The whole "radical feminist" portion is what, if anything, I was talking about when I said that they have crazy views on gender. I should have clarified "gender roles", my bad.

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>>8727288
>there are girls with dicks
>girls
>dicks

WE ON 4CHAN ASKING IF RAPE IS OK AND PREDICTABLY THIS IS TURNING OUT TO BE A MUCH LONGER CONVERSATION THAN SHOULD EVER BE NECESSARY.

Only AGP scum would hold onto their penis so proudly and to get offended by a lesbian turning them down.

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>>8727598
>WE ARE ON 4CHAN
A place where we can have an open dialogue about this shit.

>>8727620
I'm (unfortunately) AGP and I wouldn't be offended if someone turned me down because they're not into me.

Men are like water, they like to fill up space. They will even fill up lesbian spaces (and vaginas) by identifying as women to do it. Let lesbians have their own spaces and be unadulterated by dicks, thanks

>>8727598
>tripshit
Filtered

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>>8726729
just keep meming trap porn and feminine penus

also bow down and worship ur queen and stop trying to be gay ass authoritarians and bully people which just causes more hate

>>8727509
It might be transphobic, idk. I have trans friends and I love trans people just like everyone.
I fully support the trans struggle, and for example if my kid was trans I'd happily support them and help them transition.
I however personally could be with a trans person, perhaps due to transphobia. Idk.
I suppose deep down I see them as their birth sex and that is essentially transphobic.

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>>8726915
Vagina isn't the only part of the female body you can enjoy, nobody is obliging cisgender dykes to suck a dick. I'm a fucking straight male and I can feel attracted to a MtF regardless of her penis, as long as she has a pretty face, nice legs or butt, decent waist line or big (fake) breasts.

Those dykes are just cisbians.

>>8728086
You're not straight if you like cocks, you delusional faggot.

>>8728086
>I'm a straight male
No you're not, why else would you be on this board?

>>8727785
>just keep meming trap porn and feminine penus
honestly i'm a lesbian and this kind of turned me. I spend to much time in the trap section on chaturbate these days

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>>8728092
I'm not attracted to dicks, though. Not even the cute feminine ones.

>>8728099
Because I can? I also post on /pol/ sometimes, even though I'm not a /pol/ack.

>>8728123
nasty.

>>8728123
>>8728131
It's just silly to call that nasty IMO. People like what they like and don't like what they don't like and everyone should respect that. Otherwise we've just created a new level of DOUBLE GAY where some people have to come out as trap lovers after they come out as gay.

>>8728099
people come on here all the time, even if they aren't lgbt

it's weird but whatever

>>8728130
Straight men would lose all interest in a trans the moment they found out they had/have a penis
Just like lesbians do
It's bisexual closet case men like you who make trans women think heterosexual or homosexual people want them.

>>8728131
you know i think a lot of the hate trans women get is just jealously from women

you're mad trans women might be more attractive than you?

>>8728130
>I'm attracted to men who resemble women but I'm totally straight I swear

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>>8728130
i agree with this guy also sarina's early videos were the orignal thing that tricked me into liking tranny porn when i was on meth, but i dont even like it that much although i think watching trannies fuck chicks is better than hetero porn and also girls fucking eachother with strap ons is god tier as long as they are good actors

>>8728193
>>8728202
Porn is literally just pixels on a scree, and wouldnt straight men have a problem watching hetero porn because it involves a naked dude, which is true to a degree thats why girls fucking eachother with strap ons is the best and handjob porn is gross, but my point is that porno is just shit on a screen and there might be other factors than the reality of the situation the porn actors are dealing with that make people like or dislike porn.

>>8728192
u fags are easy to troll and there are a bunch of authoritarian brainwashed libs here that should be argued against

>>8727082
No, it's not. The term was invented by trans women. Really entitled fucking trans women.

I hate TERFs, but they're cowish enough on their own. Don't blame trans cow behaviour on them - own the fact that some trans women are trash.

>>8727192
>>8727211
Not that anon, but yes there IS a biological "pull" towards your own race. Babies like looking at the faces of people of their own race more, women are less attracted to the pheromones of other races when they're ovulating, various studies have found people to find composite photos that include features from their own or their parent's faces more attractive than other composite photos, yada yada.

Interracial attraction has to be possible (I mean, imagine some biological wiped out most of your race, for example), but nature still pushes you as much as it can toward your own people. That's why after decades of pro-IR propaganda, IR is still very much a minority thing.

It's not equivalent to gender, but it's not nothing.

>>8728294
yeah its weird i think asian grrls are qt but they smell funny

>>8727509
>>8727945
It's not transphobic that you're just not attracted to natal females. It's not. Please leave us FtMs out of it, we're usually not involved in this bullshit rapey meme. I don't want to be associated with it.

>>8727295
>>8727565
No. No. NO.

Why do you people not grasp that no one is interested in your nonsense about how "the argument is subtler than that"?

NO IT'S NOT. Dressing it up in post-modernist bullshit doesn't impress anyone who doesn't buy into post-modernist horse manure in the first fucking place. I'm not going to agree that your version of the argument is more "reasonable," because it's not. I don't believe that people don't want to date trannies because they've been "brainwashed" by so-cy-it-eeee, but because they're not fucking physically attracted to trannies. All this rhetoric isn't making any kind of real observation of reality, it's just a fancy way of saying, "fuck me or you're a bigot," and getting away with it only in the eyes of people who think critical theory is anything but academia's diarrhea. You can't badger people into "examining" their way out of an innate preference, and the people who KNOW that see through that argument. That's why no one is impressed by the subtly and complexity of your argument. It's not either thing. It's just creepy, rapey garbage. You may as well just go ahead and say, "fuck me or you're a bigot." Own being a creep. Because it's really what you mean, and we all know it.

>>8728299
Exactly. I objectively think a lot of Asian people are very beautiful; but they are not "mine," and I am repulsed by that.

>>8728374
also brown genitals are the color of shit

>>8728371
You sound pretty mad my fampai. Plenty of gay individuals repress their true desires for decades because society shames them into doing so and you're arguing social pressure can't do shit? Sometimes the same happens with people desiring transsexuals. If you look at porn search results tranny porn is immensely popular, yet few men will admit to wanting to fuck a tranny.

As society grows more tolerant more (but not all!) people will be find with fucking transsexuals.

>>8728227
So traps are straight on your computer screen but gay in person?

>>8728401
I suppose you don't eat chocolate for the same reason?
Or are you just a stupid hypocrite?

Idgi why is this so hard? I just date straight/bi/andro chicks

Everyone loves breasts, no one really complains about them. I'm just a skinny pretty andro "boy" with d cups who will go with you to get a mani.

>You are literally obliged to give me sex or else ur racist
Is this r9k shit common among the gays?

>>8726729
Question, if it's acceptable to say you're only attracted to one gender identity, why is it not acceptable to say you're also only attracted to one set of gentals? I'm only attracted to people that (1) identify as women, and (2) have a vagina. It has nothing to do with hating trans women, the problem is that they don't have female parts. And before you say they can get the surgery, it's not the same. Not only do they look different, they can't get wet like a cisgender woman can, which is already a deal breaker to me. Same with tits. I wouldn't date a cisgender girl who got a boob job because that's not attractive to me. Trans women can't have tits without getting a boob job, therefore that alone rules out 100% of trans women for me.

>>8728639
1) It is if it is a genuine innate preference rather than a socially formed one and only a crazy fringe says otherwise
2) You're wrong about breasts, though going above A-B is very rare.

>>8726729
oh this shit again
you have to be below 80 iq to not realize that shaming people will only cause negative reaction
it cant be stupidity - it's malice
>rad
aka extremists who dont want to improve anything and dont care that they are only hurting trans acceptance

>>8728794
>It is if it is a genuine innate preference

It is. I have nothing against trans women, I wish them all the best and I would never treat someone differently based on their gender identity. I just don't find neo vaginas attractive. I could see a passing trans woman and find her hot, but as soon as I found out she was trans I wouldn't be sexually attracted to her anymore. I don't think this is inherently more shallow or discriminatory than any other physical preference. When it comes down to it, sexual attraction *is* shallow and discriminatory by definiton. I don't think there's a problem with that unless you start treating people differently based on your preferences.

>MFW hons rage because no lesbian wants them cuz beniz
Come on, it's like not wanting someone because he's ugly, or for example cis hetero guy didn't want to date cis hetero girl with no boobs. While they might have matching personality you must not forget that looks count. Especially if it comes to private parts like dick size for men.

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>>8728469
Actually ive always had a weird aversion to the color brown since i was a child and i even used to prefer white chocalate becaue of it. There is something about brown genitals that i cant stand though and I think it's because theyre so close to where poop comes out of so they just look like someone who didnt whipe. I cant stand it in porn when girls dont have bleached assholes and IRL ive been grossed out fucking girls doggy style when they have a dark brown donut winking at me. Luckily ive only fallen in love with girls that have light colored assholes but IDK honestly if i would be a deal breaker for me if i met someone i really like but i was grossed out by their genitals to some degree. Ive had a pretty easy time meeting women so if there is something I dont like about them and i notice it right away then i pretty much cut off contact because i dont want to grow attached to them.

>>8728468
yeah i mean if youre fantasizing about a female then it's not gay i guess even if the pixels on the screen originally were put there by a biologically male actor and idk to what extent different kinds of intimacy is with a trans girl but if their feminine penus is involved its got to at least be a little gay.

>>8728794
Oh yeah now I have to PROVE genuinity of my sexual attraction
Fuck off creep

>>8726729
no, people have the right to choose their sexual boundaries. as a trans woman, i consider myself to be a woman albeit a different kind of woman than a cis woman and if someone doesn't want to sleep with me because of that I can't deny them that. again, what bothers me is not people setting sexual boundaries it's that oftentimes trans women aren't seen as a different kind of woman but literally as men and that's a problem /thread

>>8728227
>I'm not a zoophile, I only fap to CARTOON dogs, my sexuality is thus completely normal

>>8726729
Cotton ceiling was something about the porn industry so it's probably true that lesbian performers wont do it with shemales.

>>8728945
That's fine.

>>8730354
You don't have to prove anything. It is a call to think a little, on your own, not when you're being propositioned or anything..

>>8730366
I wish trans people would do a little more thinking and I don't mean thinking about how to make comebacks or try to win internet arguments. Maybe then they wouldn't have as bad a rep as they do.

>>8728486
>I just date straight/bi/andro chicks
How many straight chicks you know into other girls. Quit trolling.
>>8728945
>could see a passing trans woman and find her hot, but as soon as I found out she was trans I wouldn't be sexually attracted to her anymore.
See I do think this is problematic. You are literally saying that you find them attractive then suddenly decide not to. I don't see that as ok.

If you decide not to date them cool. But arbitrarily deciding they are no longer attractive just because of them being trans is being a piece of shit.

>>8726729
>cotton ceiling

>>8730375
That sure is an argument.

>>8730393
She went into how she dislikes trans vaginas which I think is legit, hence why I said I think this is fine.

>>8728371
>I don't believe that people don't want to date trannies because they've been "brainwashed" by so-cy-it-eeee, but because they're not fucking physically attracted to trannies
So you think someone who's blatantly hateful of trans people and literally wants to murder them would still be a-okay with fucking one? His prejudice wouldn't impact his preferences at all?

I agree that in regards to MOST people who don't want to sleep with trans people but are also cool about trans people in general, it's going to be a simple matter of preference. And ultimately this conversation is pointless at best and probably counter productive at worst even if it hadn't been brought up in the most shaming, rapey way possible. But that doesn't mean there aren't ANY people who are overall chill but sexually reject trans people because of prejudice.

Fucks sake, plenty of people reject potential partners who look/act a certain way or have a certain history, even if they're very attracted to them, simply because they're worried about what their friends will think. Avril Lavigne wrote a whole song about it.

>>8730366
This sounds a lot of like straights' reactions to coming out
"I like this and not that"
>but do you r e a l l y? think a little about this anon :)

>>8728193

So if I'm with someone, and they suddenly lose a limb in an accident, I'm automatically an amputee fetishist if I stay with them?

It's possible to be attracted to someone DESPITE certain traits.

>>8730655
I actually think it's the other way around! A lot of gay people repress their homosexuality because of social pressure. A lot of people who are attracted to transsexuals repress their attraction due to social pressure (as seen by how popular trans porn is vs how many men are willing to admit to liking transsexuals). The situation is rather similar.

Basically no one means that, when you proposition someone and they turn you down, you should go "are you sure you're not into me? ;)" just like basically no one means that you should ask people "are you suuuuure you're not gay? ;)" as a homosexual if you hit on someone and they turn you down.

Why do you have to generalise everything? I'm not attracted to vaginas at all, but I've kissed many girls and have had crushes on them. If someone liked me back maybe I could try and go further. So, I've been rejected a lot of times for reasons unrelated to my sexiness. I believe that something like general attractiveness matters more, if you're not obsessed with genitals. In my experience, people who say they're straight are more likely to feel attraction to trans people than gay people, but I think you should ask a person if they would be into you or not.

>>8726729
Why are some MTFs so obsessed with banging lesbians when there are so many bisexual or pansexual women who'd gladly except a trans partner?

>>8731542
This. It's not invalidating for a transbian to have sex with a straight or bisexual woman the same way it is for a straight trans woman to have sex with a gay man or bisexual man.

>>8731542
Because there's no validation in that, you're just another tranny freak as opposed to a real lesbian with a real lesbian partner. Also, we look up to famous or fictional lesbians and we want to be like them. Like Ellen Page.

>>8731548
*the way it is

>>8731549
terf spotted

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>>8731548
>straight woman

Well, I don't know about that.

>>8731549
Are you saying lesbians with bisexual partners aren't real lesbians? If so, that's insulting to bisexual women and lesbians.

>>8731571
They're real lesbians because they're still attractive to real lesbians. Whereas we need to be validated and judged worthy by cis lesbians first.

>>8730393
But it's not *just* because they're trans. I don't like neo vagina and I don't like dick. All trans lesbians have either one or or the other. I would still find them cute, but I wouldn't consider dating or sleeping with them after I found out they were trans.

>>8731636
Same anon again, just wanted to add something. If a trans woman was literally indistinguishable from a biological one I would have no problem dating one. But they're not, and there's no point in pretending that they are.

>>8731636
>I don't like neo vagina

If straight guys say they're basically the same and taste the same, what's the problem? I'm assuming you've never actually seen one in person.

>>8731642
Must be terrible to be a girl who's had a vaginoplasty around you, huh.

>>8726991
And everyone is allowed to complain about it without it being """coercion"""

>>8731661
If you got it just to please some random asshat then you got it for a very stupid reason. Also I doubt anon goes around ranting about neovaginas all day to the point of making trans women cry on sight.

>>8731654
The fact that they contain traces of fecal matter, they need to constantly be dilated, they can rot, they're not selfcleaning like actual vagina, and idk, the fact that they're dicks that are just turned inside out?!

I don't care if people have them but I'm not doing anything with them, leave that to the people who are into it.

>>8731666
I'm going to get it just to be less dangerous to lesbians. And also because I have severe genital dysphoria, but that's less important.

>>8731661
Uhhh no, not really. Like I said, I would never treat someone differently because they were trans. I try to be nice to everyone. I don't think there was anything wrong with what I said. You can read my other posts too if you want. I don't get why you're trying to fight with me when I'm on your side. I just don't want to fuck you.

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>>8726729
>Is the cotton ceiling real? If so what should be done to prevent such "discrimination"?
Ftfy

>>8731669
>spouts common 4chan misinformation and memes about neovaginas
>but i'm a real cis lesbian who just happens to be arguing with trannies on 4chan guys!

>>8731669
This. You could argue with me endlessly on this point, but just because it looks like a vagina doesn't mean it is one. If it makes someone happy then good for them, and I'm sure lots of people have no problem sleeping with them. But I personally can't get behind the fact that it's made out of a dick.

>>8731670
You're not dangerous to lesbians. They just may not want to have sex with you. Rape is an action, not a predisposition, unlike what TERFs would have you think.

>>8727569
>even with surgery,their vaginas are just...not the same as cis vaginas? I know the try their best but i just can't.
This

>>8731669
>the fact that they're dicks that are just turned inside out?!
And the transmisogyny rears its ugly head as we knew it would. The actual reason is: they're trans.

I'm completely with lesbians on any single girl, but the moment the categoricals begin it always gets real fishy real fast (as it does with any categorical...categorically speaking).

>>8731687
http://www.tsroadmap.com/physical/vaginoplasty/complications.html

I usually don't venture outside of the lesgen threads.

>>8731688
Exactly. I don't know why they're so insistent of having sex with people who don't want to and who aren't attracted to them or their parts when there are people that exist who are.

>>8731699
Because more often than not those people are creepy af.

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>>8731691
>You're not dangerous to lesbians. They just may not want to have sex with you.

That's pretty much the same thing. If they're not attracted to me, when they're otherwise attracted to cis women, then they see me as a man, which means they see me as dangerous. Which is why I'm probably gonna go stealth.

Honestly though, all this talk about neovaginas being gross is making me sick, because it makes me feel like there's no point in getting one, or even staying alive. I know that they're not actually gross from all the actual testimonials I've heard from trans women and cis men and cis lesbians with trans partners, but just the fact that most people won't even give it a chance is really disheartening to me.

>>8731712
I don't find them gross, I just don't want to sleep with one. Lots of people like them. And no, not being attracted to trans women doesn't mean I see them as a man. I see them as women, but there are a few differences between biological and trans women that are deal breakers to me personally. Don't get so pissy about it. Not everyone is going to like you. I'm sure there are people that won't date me based on something dumb like hair color, height, etc. Just ignore those people and find someone who likes you the way you are.

>>8731712
The dramatics of this post. Someone not having sex with you doesn't mean they hate you or they're a bigot or that they don't see you as a woman. I see trans women as actual women but that doesn't mean I have to have sex with them (I don't have to have sex with any woman, cis or trans).

Get a neovagina, have a neovagina, nobody cares and nobody is trying to stop you. We're just explaining why we, personally, would not interact with them in a sexual context. And no, you don't need to try something to know you wouldn't like it or you're uncomfortable with it.

There are PLENTY of people who are sexually attracted to trans women, who are turned on by neovaginas, go find them instead of trying to make people like they something they don't or do something they don't want to. Why would you want to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you in the first place? Why not just have sex with people who are attracted to you and all of your parts?

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let me tell you something, people want to date a stable person or a person with not too much baggage
(that goes for every type of relationship gay or not)

trans people are exactly the opposite

All that dysphoria and depresion is not good for a relationship i want someone to have fun with, not to be a psycholgist and that goes for the big majority of people

life is short and we don't have the time to put on with the your shit especially if it is something i cannot relate to ..or deeply understand

>>8731722
>I see them as women, but there are a few differences between biological and trans women that are deal breakers to me personally.

Being seen as a "trans woman" as opposed to a "biological woman" is pretty much the same as being seen as a man, at least for me personally. Which is why I'm going stealth, like I said, so you don't even have to worry about me. I was just saying how it personally made me feel, I wasn't even addressing you guys.

>>8731726
>There are PLENTY of people who are sexually attracted to trans women, who are turned on by neovaginas, go find them instead of trying to make people like they something they don't or do something they don't want to.

I'm confused, you're saying that there are these people, but you're also saying that lesbians aren't attracted to trans women. So who am I supposed to get with, male chasers who I'm not attracted to?

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>>8731747

>>8731726
The problem is not "not having sex with you", it's making loud declarations that they would never ever even consider dating a trans woman.

The same ideas when internalized by men causes them to murder trans women in order to reassert their masculinity after finding out sometime they were attracted to is trans. You are responsible for popularizing the idea that it's "gay" (for men, non-lesbian for women) to be attracted to a tranny. Blood is on your hands.

>>8731754
>you're a murderer if you won't date me!

kek

>>8731712
>when they're otherwise attracted to cis women, then they see me as a man
They see you as an unattractive woman, you dolt.

>>8731741
Well, I can't help you. I'm trying to be polite and reasonable but you continue to victimize yourself and get offended over nothing. I can't help how you see yourself. That's up to you and not me. You don't need to take your frustration out on people that are being perfectly civil and respectful to you. The problem *isn't* that I don't want to sleep with trans women, the problem is that you're insecure and bitter and nothing I say is going to change that. Hope everything turns out OK for you, though. You seem alright.

>>8731741
There's people who are attracted to trans people who aren't chasers like bisexual people. You just want lesbians for the validation it gives you. And if you hate being a trans woman, that's your problem and that's nobody else's job to fix.

>>8731754
Sex is a major part of relationships for 99% of people and nobody should have to settle for a sexless, unsatisfied relationship just to make someone feel ~valid~. Again, not anyone's responsibility but your own.

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>>8731754
Unfortunately yes, lesbians do fuel the same toxic masculinity that births trans lesbians and their space invasion and the need for TERFism in the first place.

>>8731741
>So who am I supposed to get with, male chasers who I'm not attracted to?
Well now, I wouldn't want to make you feel obligated to fuck someone you're not attracted to. That would just be terrible.

>>8731767
For a specific individual that would be valid but a categorical "I will always see all trannies as unattractive women" is just a lie.

>>8731669
>The fact that they contain traces of fecal matter, they need to constantly be dilated, they can rot, they're not selfcleaning like actual vagina, and idk, the fact that they're dicks that are just turned inside out?!
Earlier I said I think that it's reasonable that you don't like trans vaginas because honestly they're kinda different but now you're making me think that's not why you dislike them. Much of this is hateful screed, complete with /pol/ caps.

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All the trigger trannys in this thread

>>8731777
I didn't post any caps, that was someone else. I posted this >>8731699 which has a link to a website meant for trans women that discusses the risks. Again, I don't hate trans women at all. I just don't find neovaginas attractive, that's it.

>>8731774
Kek, they don't even see the irony.

>>8731774
I knew you would say that, you're just equating me to a man tho. Which is what I said you were doing.

>>8731777
>Much of this is hateful screed, complete with /pol/ caps.

The fact that they have those caps on hand and know those memes should tip you off that they're not actually cis lesbians btw.

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>>8731752
Haha ewww it looks like a horse puss
Where's the clit? Lmaooo and these are the best surgeons too lololol

>>8731754
>it's making loud declarations
No one was doing that until sjws started crying 'bigot' on the subject. Cishet men killing trannies has been around a lot longer, and is mostly about homophobia. You don't fix that by being homophobix towards lesbians who won't sleep with you, and reinforcing the homophobic preusmptions that gays want to fuck literally everyone of their sex. You wanna talk death tolls, how about the gay panic defence? Thanks for pushing that predator narrative just to feed your own victim complex at allegedly not being included in the gay agenda's sexual conquest of their entire gender.

>>8731736
All of this

>>8731784
It's 100% okay not to be attracted to trans vaginas but stuff like the line about fecal matter.. it makes it sound like you're really misinformed about how healthy ones with no severe surgical complications work. I don't intend to make you SEE THE LIGHT or anything but that part is /pol/ bait.

>>8731785
>I knew you would say that, you're just equating me to a man tho. Which is what I said you were doing.
By what fucking mental gymnastics?

>>8731790
>Where's the clit?

The penis has been inverted.
There is no "clit".
You must have a really low IQ.

>>8731784
>>8731779
Says the triggered pedophile. Wasn't it hilarious how the last time you posted those caps it also turned out that you were posting CP?

>>8731812
I know it's an inverted penis, but it looks like they didn't even try. I'm saying it would be obvious that these are neovaginas if you were a cis girl and intimately knew the anatomy of a real one

>>8731768
But you make false claims while at the same time complaining about the "kiddy ceiling"

http://www.ifeminists.com/introduction/editorials/2002/0212.html

Why is it that you push infamous plays telling the world it's okay to drug and rape twelve year old girls? Maybe we should ban political lesbians from children and adoption because your propensity to violence and pedophillia

>>8731768
The problem is you're claiming mtfs are physical men while at the same time wanting to have sex with little tiny children

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>"hey asshole pity fuck me"

>>8731830
Holy shit, you have really lost it haven't you? I mean, you've just snapped at this point, right? You're making no sense at all.

>>8731831
>>8731830
>>8731816
What's happening here?

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>>8727009
>there are trans women, who are women

Let me stop you there.

>>8731776

I see all chubby chicks as unattractive women.
I see all smokers as unattractive women.
I see all done-up big city types as unattractive women.

There are infinite possibilities as to what will make someone attractive or not to any given individual. Being trans isn't special. Some people just aren't into it. Disregard them and find the ones who are.

>>8731834
No really. You're calling people who medically transitioned biological men. While enjoying your plays that promote child rape.

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>>8731844
This has gone from fun and entertaining to sad and embarrassing. I'm out

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>>8731843
>done-up big city types

kek

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>>8731752
so ..?
other animals have good looking vaginas to ,do it make it ethical or right to fuck one ? No
the same goes for trannys
aka : don't stick your dick in crazy

>>8731830
>>8731831
That wasn't me. I'm a different anon. I'm
>>8731722
>>8731688
>>8731673
>>8731642
>>8731636

>>8731848
does it*

>>8731838
The local kook who always accuses everyone of being pedophiles, just avoid the online equivalent of eye contact.

>>8726729
>>8731845
It's a fact though massive studies prove lesbians are violent and prone to raping http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

They even have plays talking about the pedo ceiling like v monologues

People should inform lawmakers. Give them these very reputable cdc studies so they can use it to ban lesbian adoption

I really hate how people keep presenting this as an actual argument when basically next to no trannies have ever argued something like this.. it's like conflating feminists with TERFs.

>>8731856
Weren't you that guy who got perma banned while insisting there was nothing wrong with cp and that all your evil accusers would be banned?
That was hilarious
How did you get back in?

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>>8731794
>You don't fix that by being homophobix towards lesbians who won't sleep with you, and reinforcing the homophobic preusmptions that gays want to fuck literally everyone of their sex.

That's not what's happening. Do you really think I would be upset if I were rejected by a lesbian who didn't know I was trans? I would just be relieved that I was rejected for valid reasons and not for bigoted ones.

>>8731808
The reason I'm not attracted to male chasers is because they're cis men, by equating my lack of attraction to men to your "lack of attraction" to me (even though you might be attracted to me if you didn't know I was trans, but that's a different conversation), you're equating me to a man.

By the way, cis lesbians who are attracted to trans women are not straight or bisexual. Cis lesbians who are in relationships with trans women are not in a straight relationship. Do you agree with that?

>>8731824
Maybe I won't get SRS then. Or I will, but I just won't have sex with anyone. Staying stealth is more important.

.... I'm honestly traumatized by having this conversation with "cis lesbians" who are probably just cis men, almost every day of my life. I'll be so relieved when attitudes change and I don't have to talk about this with anyone.

>>8731846

Kek, wow it really sounded bumpkin as fuck didn't it, I was just trying to think of something that didn't have a negative connotation.

>>8731843
Those are literal appearance things. I'll accept "I see hons as unattractive women".

>>8731752
wow one good surgery out of 993587368473865

>>8731862
At the very least, cis lesbians are about as violent as men http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

Exactly. So the just response to >>8726729 is that you find congressmen and mail them all these actual studies from the CDC proving that lesbians are violent criminals.

Respond to lies with hard facts

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>>8731871
Not trying to be too mean here, but seriously get off of 4chan if you're that fragile. Everyone is a dick and has nothing better to do. There are so many websites transpeople can go to for support. Leave. You're only being masochistic by staying here, and victimizing yourself.

>>8731794
Speaking about lesbian predators. You're statistically worse than straight men. At the very least, cis lesbians are about as violent as men http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

>>8731885
This

>>8731871
>The reason I'm not attracted to male chasers is because yada yada yada
Like I said, fucking batshit victim complex mental fucking gymnastics.

My comment was about sleeping with someone you're not attracted to. Whether that's because they don't match your orientation or because they have fucking spinach in their teeth makes no difference.

>>8731888
>>8731883
So why do trannys want to date them anyway somthing's fishy here

>>8731894
It's a shame you don't take that to heart when you sexually abuse others At the very least, cis lesbians are about as violent as men http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

>>8731871
>Do you really think I would be upset if I were rejected by a lesbian who didn't know I was trans?
Holy reading comprehension, what the fuck do you even think my post was saying if this seems like a relevant response?

>>8731879
Most transwomen are pleased with their results. Complications are rare..

>>8731883
Attacking lesbians as a group over the actions of a malicious minority is wrong..

>>8731874

You'll accept whatever the fuck people will give you, no one needs a reason to not want to fuck you.
This is such projection, you're hell bent on cod lesbians validating you while presuming to be an authority on what validates a rejection.

>>8731871
The fact that you're debating whether or not to get SRS based on what some dykes on an Indonesian carpet weaving forum think says so much about you. Stop worrying about what everyone else thinks.

>>8731909
See>>8731751

>>8731896
I don't but when you constantly get smeared as rapist by people who sock puppet and use anecdotes. Then eventually you end up wanting to pull up the damning countless studies and sickening propaganda like vm and throwing it back at them.

These are all factual studies to counter lies. I'm still taking the high road when I haven't stooped to lies.

>>8731896
This
If trannys hate lesbians so much why dont they date other trannys instead

>>8731909
Don't you see the irony? At least in this case they are factually prone to being criminals and rapists

>>8731885
I should, but I'm addicted to this site, I can only stay off for a few days at most. Also are those the newts from Catscratch?

>>8731901
You said that we think that all lesbians want to sleep with all other lesbians, when I'm aware that there are plenty of lesbians who wouldn't sleep with me for other reasons, like they just aren't attracted to my face or my body or my personality or something.

>>8731914
That's a well-known series of posts cap'd by /pol/ and then removed by the writer because she realized they're being misused. Spoiler: She got better. She later posted about how she also had a hard recovery, in the past tense. The fact is that most transwomen are pleased with their vaginas, very few regret it and complications are very rare.

>>8731921
See >>8731916

When you constantly call others rapists and use a fake meme, don't be surprised if they respond about unflattering studies about you.

>>8731934
>She got better. She later posted about how she also had a hard recovery
So sauce ? I can smell the lie from up here, you know

>>8731911
You idiot this isn't about not fucking a specific person. The issue is making a categorical declaration with no basis in reality. And it's statistically inevitable that you're going to be attracted to someone at first, find out later they're trans, and start screeching about how it should be illegal for them to enter "women's spaces" so you never have to see them at a lesbian bar.

>>8731938
If you hate lesbians so much why not just leave them alone instead of trying to convince them to sex you?

>>8731944
I can smell the lie when you claim all those criminal and rapists studies about you don't apply to you

>>8728449
>You sound pretty mad my fampai.
Yeah, having rapey horseshit attached to the trans community makes me pretty fucking furious.

>Plenty of gay individuals repress their true desires for decades
Not acting on being gay because it's not socially acceptable is a very far cry from getting told "maybe think about it harder" when you say something like, "I'm viscerally put off by [x]."

Also, porn addictions result in people spanking it to dozens of things they'd be horrified by in real life. That's kind of how addictions work.

>>8730572
>So you think someone who's blatantly hateful of trans people and literally wants to murder them would still be a-okay with fucking one? His prejudice wouldn't impact his preferences at all?
No, anon. I'm pretty sure that person would never want to fuck you.

>And ultimately this conversation is pointless at best and probably counter productive at worst even if it hadn't been brought up in the most shaming, rapey way possible.
Yes. It is stupid, counterproductive and awful. And yet, it's not going to stop happening, is it?

I'm tired of defending trans women when they can't stop behaving like entitled trash.

>males even in female form are aggressive manipulative rapists
iiiiiiiiiiiinteresting

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>>8731951
You're not even trying dude
Kek :D

>>8731947
Nobody is trying to force you to do anything it's just fake memes

At the very least, cis lesbians are about as violent as men http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

Why don't you leave those poor women you sexually abused and assaulted alone though?

>>8731938
So why you want to date lesbiants ????

>>8731955
Are lesbians males in female form?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

>>8731879
If that one is the exception that breaks the categorical, it's the only one needed.

>>8731925
This place has become like /r9k/ for trans, where they come to drown themselves in self hatred
Seriously leave and go outside. Or watch catscratch, it's a great show and not written by an outcasted 1% of society that hates your guts.

>>8731968
lesbians are males w/ ghost penises hence strapon desires

>>8731967
Nobody does when even the cdc says youre all violent rapist criminals http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

don't like cis lesbians go through life with most women not wanting to sleep with them? they seem to survive.

they can get bitter and offload a lot of frustration when they get older and their suitability in the bi college student dating pool starts to get questioned, but whatever.

i mean honestly, i don't see why we need to associate with each other at all except incidentally when our circles do sometimes overlap. it's just so forced, we don't get along, forcing trans women and lesbians to share space and community on such a dedicated basis practically has a poe's law ring to it. it's both unrealistically utopian and a troll's dream.

>>8731977
So why you want to date them if you hate them so much??

>>8731974
suck my danny phantom

>>8731945
>And it's statistically inevitable that you're going to be attracted to someone at first, find out later they're trans
And then no longer be attracted to them, the same way one loses attraction to someone hey discover to be a smoker, or rude to servers, or religious, etc.

As for the rest, I'm just gonna go ahead and mention that I'm not cis, I'm not a lesbian, I'm damn sure not a feminist, and learning that someone I was into was trans wouldn't immediately change anything for me. So one last go before the term starts to lose all meaning: take your victim complex and shove it up your ass.

>>8731983
Nobody cares faggot.
Kys

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>>8731944
Done.

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>>8727503
OF COURSE this is the tranny who demands lesbians fuck people like him. I get the feelings these neckbeards who couldnt get a date decided to become transtrenders just to be able to force women to finally fuck them in the name of political correctness

>>8731983
Because not all lesbians are terfs. The only "space" you are entitled to exclude people you have decided you don't want to have sex with from is your own bedroom. Not the bar, not the dating sites, not the support group (who the hell picks up girls there anyway).

>>8731954

Second person you responded to. Not a trans woman, and wasn't arguing for anything more than the sake of playing with ideas. Relax, friend.

>>8731977
Jesus kristh trans people are more annoying than real women
good thing i fuck none of them

>>8731995
Says mr crazy hon who's posting his own selfies here.

Please tell me how positing your own selfies proves anything honney

>>8731993
Wow ,i respect you perseverance photoshopping this but don't you think are you a little too desperate maybe

>>8731995
>1992
"POLITICAL CORRECTNESS isn't a real thing, you stupid men! Feminists aren't being POLITICALLY CORRECT, that's just a conspiracy theory term! Men are just angry they're losing power but that's too bad, ahahaha, but it's not political correctness!"
>2017
"Doing the same thing we did? HOLY FUCK WHAT KIND OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS BULLSHIT IS THIS!?"
No, I mean it. I truly love watching people and their mem...I mean, 'beliefs'.

>>8727503
>communists calling things 'leftbook'
ew as if i needed another reason

>>8731958
So it's OK for you to generalize all lesbians and call them rapists and sexual abusers, but someone says they're not attracted to trans pussy and that makes them a terrible person? Lmfao alright then.

>>8731954
>Yeah, having rapey horseshit attached to the trans community makes me pretty fucking furious.
Good thing there's no such bullshit attached to the trans community. 'Sall a strawman.

>Not acting on being gay because it's not socially acceptable is a very far cry from getting told "maybe think about it harder" when you say something like, "I'm viscerally put off by [x]."
You still didn't get my point or are refusing to understand its nuance. Individuals might be holding themselves back from accepting that they like what they like due to social factors and it is worthwhile to consider this. No one ever said that this is something that should be done in person, as a response to someone rejecting you, or that the end result of said reflection should or would be "yeah actually I do like these people".

>Also, porn addictions result in people spanking it to dozens of things they'd be horrified by in real life. That's kind of how addictions work.
And you feel it important to argue that people aren't attracted to trans people to boot. Nice.

>I'm tired of defending trans women when they can't stop behaving like entitled trash.
With "friends" like this..

>>8731995
Uh. How again is taking a photo of your hon mug supposed to prove anything?

>>8732025
The only reason your getting generalized is cause you keep posting fake stories calling trans rapists. So what's the harm with factual studies about you?

>>8732018
lmao how desperate can you get? that you responded with "IT'S FAKE" is such a self-own.

>>8731995
huh? are you saying i'm this person and as characterised? maybe you didn't read what i said, which is fine. whatever.

i'm not this person tho. are they even part of the conversation, or just a random trans woman we know nothing about and we're just shitting on?

>>8732029
So dude tell me wat really trigger you is ok we all have problems
its ok here you are between people here

>>8728371
Incidentally, aren't FtMs also as prone to having the same high sex crime and violence stats lesbians do

Maybe turning into a hairy little Manlett doesn't help?

>>8732016
This is a pic from "Arina Leelah Grace"s Facebook, the tranny saying in that cap to kill the TERF

>>8732043
Pointless hatred!

>>8732049
That you took some selfies and false flagged hardly proves anything hon. But yeah your propensity to violent crime is alarming.

>>8732036
so you can't accept the truth then

To everyone asking why trannies want to fuck lesbians so bad: They think that if they fuck a lesbian, everyone will finally see them as a real woman. It has nothing to with what the lesbian wants or her safety, it's all about satisfying their narcissism and making other people believe in their delusions.

Real lesbians would never fuck a transgender woman, fake pussy or not. If they do, they're bisexual. It's that simple.

>>8732060
When you're a crazy hon who tries to concoct unconvincing plans to trick others, yeah.

You aren't fooling anyone hon.

>>8732072
Funny words commit from a demographic proven to be full of rapists and pedophiles http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27056045/
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml


Facts don't lie

>>8732058
it's all right ,people always hated each other it's something natural we must be glad that we dont do it like in the past with wars and such

>>8732059
that's not what "false flagged" means

>>8731921
>If trannys hate lesbians so much why dont they date other trannys instead
aside from off-and-on shit with cis men, that's like the most common form of relationship. don't blame me for whatever you're picturing in your head now--i didn't force you. truth is it isn't so bad and probably just boring to most people, tho.

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>>8732049
Weird, I used to be friends with her on Facebook

TERFs should honestly die tho

It's not even about you personally not wanting to ever fuck a tranny. So many terfs universalize it, to them lesbianism is defined as wanting to never have anything to do with dicks or with anyone who has ever had one, which is more than anything an attack on the identity of other cis lesbians.

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>>8732059
Are the hormones making you mentally deficient?

>>8732073
you send to have serious problem dude ,you need to consult a doctor so you don't become like one of those Transvesti folks

>>8732088
I'm sure if you scrounge around enough you can find a few women that accept you, I wouldn't get too hyped up over TERFs.

>>8732082
So why do other trannys what to date lesbians anyways?

>>8732035
No, I didn't. You keep assuming I'm the one posting this shit. I was the anon who said I just don't like neo vagina. I didn't say anything about trannies being rapists or that pedophilia is okay or anything else you keep accusing me of.

>>8732072
This

Its the ultimate validation, which is why they are so obsessed with it

>>8727550
If you don't want penises attached to transwomen in women's only spas and gyms, then they'd call you a TERF.

>>8732072
isn't this a backward logic tho
that they are just mens that want to get the inaccessible womens aka the lesbians

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>>8732122
I have cis female friends who accept me, some of them don't know I'm trans tho

>>8732077
All this is says is that bisexuals are the most deliquent, that straight men are more delinquent than gay men, that gay women are more delinquent relative to straight women, and that gay women reported more non-violent delinquency relative to gay men.

It doesn't say exactly what the delinquency is, but even if it did pertain to rape, this says straight men and bisexual people are the ones that are full of rapists. Transbians are also essentially straight men also, sooooo...

>>8732175
Lier

>>8732081
>>8732104
Anyone can make a Facebook and post his selfies hon

>>8732181
Lesbians have elevated violent crime over men and women general pop
And the second is about rape

>>8732181
Straight men on the same drugs they give to chemically castrate sex offenders in euro (+estrogen)

Not saying that there aren't rapist mtfs it's just going to be way rarer then straight men when you don't want use your dick and have a super repressed sex drive

>>8732185
Why would I be lying about that? Don't you have cis female friends?

>>8732188
I missed the 2nd link. But is this from the late 90s? Every sourced article is old, and you can't use stats this old to prove a claim. Even BLM and Stormfront don't do that.

>>8731752
people actually like functional genitals though so thats why feminine penus is a thing

>>8732200
Filthy liar

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>>8732221
>people actually like functional genitals though so thats why feminine penus is a thing
They are equally functional.
Both are sterile and can provide sexual stimulation.

>>8732240
Why does this image have the same hash that cp spammer used that time?

Could it be you're just a spammer pretending to be a man

>>8732288
I've never seen someone melt down like this in a thread before, honestly

>>8732353
So that's an admission that you're that same spammer? How sick.
Ironic that creepy men rp as lesbians to complain about the same

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>>8732240
Lol fuck off. I've had to defend my passability to you guys for almost a year now, just ask Trent or Survey Anon and they'll tell you that I pass based on voice alone, and Trent is a literal autist about passing.

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>>8731542
You realize you could just as easily say:
>Why are so many cis lesbians so obsessed with banging cis lesbians when there are many bisexual, pansexual, or transbians who would gladly accept a cis lesbian partner.

Makes you think eh?

>>8732421
No it doesn't, because cis women aren't the ones claiming that anyone owes them their attraction. I don't care if trans women only want to sleep with trannies.

>>8732175
>who accept me
There is literally no possibility the ones who know you're trans treat you like a cis woman, no matter how "accepting" they are.

>>8732288
Whats a hash?

>>8732288
>implying spammers are female

>>8731756
I've always enjoyed that video. Warms my cold heart just a tad.

>>8726974
>>8726946
See? That's constructive interaction between cis lesbians and trans lesbians.

We don't always have to degenerate into insults and hate.

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>>8731669
>The fact that they contain traces of fecal matter,
How in the fuck did that even make sense to you when you typed it? Does your vagina contain traces of fecal matter? Unless you fucking wipe back to front like an idiot there is no fecal matter in cis or neo vaginas.

> they need to constantly be dilated,
After several months of healing it is HARDLY constant. Besides you probably have a dildo and use it once a week. Guess what you are basically dilating too.

>they can rot
Yeah for the first couple months WHILE IT IS HEALING!! Once it is healed there is no rot. Think of it like gauged ears. You don't see people's earlobes rotting off after the initial piercing now do you?

> they're not selfcleaning like actual vagina,
I am positive your stanky vag is not self-cleaning either. You shower and you wash it just like every other decent human washes their genitals.

> the fact that they're dicks that are just turned inside out?!
There we have it. Your a transphobic sack of shit. You realize it is just flesh. Both the concepts of vagina and penis are abstract concepts/names we give to a collection of flesh in a certain configuration. That is why we call these neo vaginas not NEO DICKS TURNED INSIDE OUT.

People should need to pass a test and get a license to use the internet.

>>8726729
Hons. Will they learn?

>>8731784
>I just don't find neovaginas attractive
>>8731726
>And no, you don't need to try something to know you wouldn't like it or you're uncomfortable with it.
This is my biggest complaint and is exactly I think you are all transphobic bitches.

Imagine if you dated a trans person and had a neo vagina and never told you they were trans. You never even realized it was a neo vagina. You would have no reason not be enjoying yourself with this person.

Then years later they tell you they are trans and suddenly you say you don't like their vagina on the grounds that it is a neo vagina and not something you would be into. (Despite having been into it before)

That is the basic applied scenario when you say you can hate a neo vagina without having tried one. You might not like it but some of the results, in fact, are that good that even medical professionals don't identify them. (And I am willing to bet they have seen a lot more vaginas than you have. You would have to be looking and trying to invalidate a trans woman to make a deal out of a trans lesbian with SRS.)

>>8733001
Basically, it's like liking Chris Brown's music until you learned what he did and that ruins everything from what he does today to "Yo (Excuse Me Miss)"

>>8733023
>If scientific names are just arbitrary to you, why get so triggered over the right name or pronouns? Theyre just words, anon.
Same question for anyone who objects to HSTS.

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>>8733019
[citation needed]

>>8732880 #
If scientific names are just arbitrary to you, why get so triggered over the right name or pronouns? Theyre just words, anon. Why does it hurt you so much to be told you were born a male and despite surgical procedures, you will die as one? Why do you care about whether or not you can enter a womans or mans restroom? Why do you care about having your drivers licence saying female?

See, what you want is to police society into fueling your fake identity. The only reason some people go along with it is for sjw points. No one really believes in this except you, and even thats debatable, given how desperate trannies are for validation.

>>8733031
>If scientific names are just arbitrary to you, why get so triggered over the right name or pronouns? Theyre just words, anon.
Same question for anyone who objects to HSTS.

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>>8733019
Not only is that not true, because I know you've at least read the washed Chris Brown/Rihanna story, but it's irrelevant to the point I'm making. Forreals, "Gimme That" used to my jam, but now I just can't listen to it anymore. Your scenario is exactly like that. Once you know something like that, there's two paths to go: 1. I'm okay with that or 2. I'm not okay with that, I'm done.

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>>8733037
Because we don't view scientific terms as arbitary.

>>8733007
Which is also insanely stupid.
You like the music that is 100% abstract from the artist. Same for visual art. It might be made by that person but it isn't the person you are enjoying it is the music. Suddenly changing you opinion on the music is dumb.

Just like suddenly changing your opinion of a partner or prospective partner you find attractive is dumb.

If anything it makes a strong case for trans people to not even bother telling their partners they are trans if they pass.

Like if you have a blind taste test and you like one food the best then see what it is and say it is disgusting that says something doesn't it?

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>>8733069
>Goes to a dictionary for a scientific and sociological definition.

Neat.

Just going to leave this here.

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>>8733077
>which is also insanely stupid
I don't make up the rules of human nature. The fact of the matter is, in that impossible scenario, I'm likely to leave them. Because it disgusts me. I don't want to date or fuck a transgendered person, and that's the end of that for me.

Do I think trans people shouldn't bother telling partners they are trans? I don't care to be honest because I know it won't happen to me.

>>8733091
Insects don't have sex chromosomes like that you idiot.

>>8733091
dope refutation, saved

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>>8733091
>>8733156
actually its a faggot strawman because chromosome disorders are rare diseases

>>8732403
Didn't Trent also have a deep-seated crush on you?

>>8728874
>radical = extremist
opinion discarded

>>8732029
>Individuals might be holding themselves back from accepting that they like what they like due to social factors and it is worthwhile to consider this.
That is pretty unlikely for most people, and it is NONE of your business regardless. Literally none.

>Good thing there's no such bullshit attached to the trans community. 'Sall a strawman.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD. LITERALLY NOTHING BUT YOU BITCHES WHINING ABOUT PEOPLE NOT FUCKING YOU.

>And you feel it important to argue that people aren't attracted to trans people to boot. Nice.
Now you're just making shit up?!

I'm fucking done. I'm done. Fuck trans women. I'm done taking any responsibility for your garbage. I will never again defend you from TERFs.

>With "friends" like this..
Exactly. Trans men would be 10000% better off without you whiny, neurotic boat anchors. We're not allies when we're telling you from across the gender divide that THIS KIND OF TALK IS NOT OKAY.

Oh my god, I hate you so much. Just die. Die.

I do feel that trans women in terms of relationships and sex are often devalued and seen as undesirable, and it sucks and society should change its attitudes to be more positive towards us and not make cis folk feel weird about attraction to us, where they won't get made fun of/abused by their peers for dating us, but obviously that doesn't mean I advocate forcing anyone to be with us, that's rape

People have sexual preferences and types of sex they like and that's fine too, trans women who get angry at lesbians who don't wanna fuck them are trash who seem to have a lot of internalized toxic masculinity and entitlement

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>>8726974
:^)

>>8733533
Ironic considering the only predatory behavior I've seen has been from tumblr FtMs demanding screaming and trying to guilt gay men into sex. And you do that here too. Which is why you aren't welcome in gaygen.

That shrill harpy behavior and coving up for your mistakes isn't acceptable for a man and it probably isn't kosher for women. Clean your own harpy house first.

>>8733677
huh?

do you actually know who that is? i dont.

i have no idea if they're real, but why not just let what they said stand on its own? a lot of us would be relieved to see this problem gone. i don't want people who don't want to sleep with me being forced to think about it. it's humiliating. this rapey shit in my name just makes me feel even more disgusted with who i am.

if you want to confront separate rapey shit, by all means do that, but i don't see why you should just use it to diminish another's legitimate grievances. it makes no sense.

>>8733627
Lmao saved

Leave lesbians alone, you absolute shitheads.

>>8726729
>opening yourself up to trans women
ugh, groce!! did he deliberately pick the most disgusting way to phrase that?!

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>>8733533
"FtM", yeah sure. Go back to Tumblr please.

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>>8733252
He's my son, of course he has a crush on his mommy. It's only natural for boys.

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>>8727081
>being this wrapped up in your own self-serving bubble narrative where all that matters is your own wants and anyone who has contrary preferences is only victimizing you and has no right to free will

>>8727200
>trans women are not men
Yes you are and go fuck yourself. This claim is untrue on every level it can be judged on, if you want any kind of lasting compromise for acceptance rather than a terrible eventual backlash you have to accept that counterfactual claims like this cross the line.

We can address you as the opposite sex and so on out of courtesy but in return you need to accept that you aren't really.

>>8731995
Holy shit, literally a badly shaved neckbeard

>>8733234
>Missing the point this hard.
The point is that nature/biology is weird af. Trannies make up 1% of the population which puts them near to as rare as those other biological oddities. (Which is mostly irrelevant but serves to dismiss your point about rarity rendering things dismissable.)

>>8733120
>I don't care to be honest because I know it won't happen to me.
Implying that you are the all seeing wizard and can absolutely spot every tranny in existence. Neat story bro.

The key here is trans people might not make sense to you but they are real, some of them are almost indistinguishable from cis women and you are threatened by them also being considered legitimate lesbians so you have to do everything you can to preserve your special exclusive club.

Bad news is that this story doesn't end in you winning. You might act tuff on some fucking anon image board but in real life you are going to get cucked by a fucking tranny and there is nothing you can do about it. (I can't fucking wait desu.) Scum like you doesn't deserve to carry a pride flag.

>>8726946
>I'm bi
>people think this means I will be okay with a diseased hormonely deformed dick or a neo-"""""vagina"""""
Apparently wanting the gentiles you fuck to be non-deformed is problematic

>>8734126
>Trannies make up 1% of the population
No, they don't remotely. *Gay and bi* people collectively make up 1-2% of the population, trannies are nowhere fucking near as common as that.

>>8733968
Kys

>>8734135
DEFORMOPHOBE! t b h

It's badly ableist of you not to want to fuck the Elephant Man

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>>8734161
When will midget men under 5" start calling for the end of discrimination against them?

If a straight girl doesn't want to fuck this, she's clearly an ableist midgetphobe

He identifies as 6"7'

>>8733968
You'll be more credible about who's a man when you stop being that creepy pedophile.

They just purged one of your threads man. Basic courtesy means we can address you as a human once you stop fiddling kids

>>8734145
>2015
The Public Religion Research Institute survey of 2,314 Millennials found that 88% identified as heterosexual, 4% as bisexual, 2% as gay, and 1% as lesbian. In a separate question, 1% identified as transgender.

Learn to fucking use the internet you neanderthal.

>>8733091
animals change their sex to be able to reproduce =/= i'm a girl because i said so i'm gonna cut my genitals so that anyone could agree with me and my delusion

>>8733091
>facebook post

>>8734651
This.

>>8734192
Who cares??

>>8733091
yeah, because complex mammals like us are the same as simpler life forms like fish ,mushrooms ,snails or reptiles

yeah its the same thing ,we even regenerate our own limbs back like a lizards ,axolotls ,Starfish or worms

lost a leg or a arm yesterday no problem you will grow it back in a few weeks

>>8733077
>If anything it makes a strong case for trans people to not even bother telling their partners they are trans if they pass.

Hell fucking no. If you know someone's going to just say no if you ask, that means you HAVE to ask.
>I know this girls just gonna say no to sleeping with me, I know, I'll fuck her while she's passed out, what's the harm, she won't know the difference
>hurr I know my friend will just say no if I ask to bring my dog to their dinner party, so I'll just do it, they'll live
>hurr I know my parents would say no to me throwing a party in their house, so I'll just do it while they're not home

If you do something knowing full well the person would otherwise say no, BECAUSE you know they'd say no, you're a piece of shit.

You are not entitled to sex or relationships. People have the right to reject you for any reason, and for no reason at all.

>t. tranny

>>8734983
This

>>8734651
>survey of less than 2500 people
>percentiles add up to 95%
Yeah no. Every actually large study like censuses shows less than 2% LGBT individuals in toto.

>>8734289
>pedoposting
Why isn't pedo accusation autist banned desu

Terfs:
>Growing up with privilege means you can never really know what it is to be a woman
Also terfs:
>White people can be women

Checkmate

>>8726884

I like your logic.

>>8735573
Because you got banned the last time you tried to get me. Pathetic pedo posting nun.