what do trannies actually contribute to society that justifies

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If not being aggressive towards people is forced support, then why am I forced to tolerate your presence in society?

>>8660663
Word and thought policing isn't aggressive. Got it

>>8660778
You mean asking people to stop being aggressive?
So when people ask you to calm down, and to stop being so loud and aggressive towards people probably in a public area, you consider yourself a victim of a conspiracy?

Just realised I've never seen a cat cock & balls before. Looks weird as fuck.

>>8660785
You mean hypothetical instance that you have to oversell by trying to make sound dramatic? You sure sold me. It's no longer the individuals responsibility to empower themselves. Got it.

>>8660847
They empower themselves by ignoring your harpy screeches demanding that individuals act how you desire and fit your image.

>>8660879
Don't care if people do what they want with their bodies. Just think the "feminine penis", calling a malformed testosterone clit a "dick", and pronoun memes are stupid and don't help with their existential crises anyway.

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>>8660646
I'm a manager at a retail chain, I have my own car and place, make a decent amount of money, and donate to charities around the holidays. I try to help out family members when I can and help out other districts in my retail chain when they have higher ups visit. I go to school part time, and I'm only 21. Don't drink, don't party, don't have many friends. What is there to contribute? What does any other normal person contribute to society? Most people, cis or trans, are just trying to get through each day so why do people continuously ask this question? Idc if someone doesn't like that I'm trans, nor do I expect to be treated as a girl as I still use the mens room even at work when most of the women there have asked me why I don't. The very least I expect is for them to use my pronouns and name because it's respectful. I don't sit here and call people shit head or asshole when I'd like to cause most people are just shitty anyways. Most of us don't expect society to put us up on pedestals, we just want to be respected. When people sit here make laws against people just because they dress differently and have a name that isn't normal for their gender that's where it's kinda fucked. If me wearing a certain cut of cloth is going to bother you that much then society as a whole needs to be reevaluated cause then your becoming as sensitive as fucking sjw.

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>>8660898
>I don't care what they do
>makes a whole thread about how upset he is that he is expected to not care what they do
lel okay bud

>>8660910
I think you're projecting anon

>>8660919
lmao read the OP you fuckin' dunce like lel what dude

>>8660926
OP is just a simple question. >>8660907
even gave a legit answer. Why are you so upset?

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>>8660932
It's a simple question asking
>what do trannies actually contribute to society that justifies them demanding that all of society support their delusion and self image?
Except anyone with half a brain realizes this "support" that OP is complaining about being forced to do, is simply not caring, it's tolerating or permitting trannies, it's not going out of your way to be aggressive or to oppose it, so OP who states "I don't care" is clearly lying to save face when he says he does not care, as his whole point before that, his whole question, is about how much he cares and how much it bothers him that people expect him not to care. He sees being forced to allow people to exist as being forced to support them.

>>8660955
That's a lot of projecting you're doing there. Does not caring about pronouns to the point where you refer to people as the gender they resemble most in body count as aggression?

>>8660932
Just cause I'm sick of seeing this shit everywhere. Everyone loves to complain about trannies, but like what would you like us to do? In all seriousness aside from killing us, banishing us, or putting us in camps, what would society like us to do. It's a mental disorder that only has the solution of HRT for right now. It's like yeah we're not doing much to find a solution ourselves, but how's society helping if they treat us like such shit that it's hard for most to even find a stable living condition. We should all be working together to find a solution together rather than finger pointing constantly. Probably just being a sensitive fag today, but I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about how horrible we are to society, yet they don't want to help us get rid of ourselves being a stigma either. Hearing women bitch "I shouldn't have to explain why a man in a dress is in the woman's room to my little girl" gets me so fucking heated cause the trans person is probably just as uncomfortable as you are. I hate it when little kids asks "Why does that girl sound like a boy?" It's like you're not happy about explaining and neither am I cause it's fucking embarassing, it's just part of life so get over it.

>>8660955
>tfw altering language and concepts of gender perception affects how people interact with everyone
>"just don't care! it doesn't affect you"
umm what? it does affect me, and you clearly do want me to care. so if you want me to care, I at least want to understand why.

>>8660974
>>8661000
>projecting
Yeah, I'm the one who's mad at trannies for existing, not the guy demanding the justify themselves for it, kek.

And I mean, using prounouns that match how people look is reasonable, doing it after they ask you to stop multiple times, just to be a dick for no other reason grow up we all know why, is aggressive, it's spiteful, it's weird you think you can argue otherwise. It's going out in public and harassing people after they tell you to fuck off because they're doing things you dislike.

>>8661004
I meant you were projecting a lot of negativity into a generally neutral question

>>8661019
It's not a neutral question.
"demanding society support your delusion" is just demanding people don't go around accosting you for being "delusional".

>>8660919
>>8660974
>>8661019
>projecting

Well I don't know about that other anon, but I sure do think you're really projecting a tendency to over and mis-use 4chan buzzwords that you recently learned.

I work, live on my own, pay my taxes, take care of my friend's pets, and am writing a book that I hope will help white people get over pointless guilt that is standing in the way of us defending Europe from Islamic invasion.

What do YOU do, faggot? It must be something special.

>>8661092
how does it feel to be a cuck trying to suck up to right wing values?

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>>8661092
I live with my parents and shitpost

>>8660646
I'm a part time programmer and calculus tutor, as well as a full time college student. What do you contribute to society, OP?

>>8661099
>be trans
>be also white
>if you're right wing you're cucking yourself
>if you're left wing you're cucking yourself
>either way you're cucking yourself

Or we can just not let stereotypes define our political opinions for us and go with what we actually believe is right?

>>8661099
>suck up
This board is for adults, anon. If you're in middle school, you need to leave.

>>8661174
The left wing is still convinced it is doing us a favour, and it's not that both sides are royally fucking us.

>>8661183
>and it's not that both sides are royally fucking us
That's pretty much my point, trans rights are pretty much a fringe issue on both sides of the spectrum, so there's no need for us to subscribe to leftist ideology just because we happen to be trans. What if I support white nationalism but also happen to be transgender?

>>8661195
No, I was saying I agree. White nationalism leaves us better-off in the long run, since it would save us from Islam and whites are the most compassionate race overall.

Somehow, I'm supposed to rank that below "serving in the military," though.

>>8661183

you were obviously brought up in a fairly conservative neighborhood/values and you're trying to suck up to right wing conservatives by living a life you think they might approve in desperate attempt to fit in a social order that you grew up, were indoctrinated into and consider normative

that's also why you write a book about defending Europe from strawman Islamic invasion, a topic proven to jerk the straight European conservative cock very effectively

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>>8660663
transgenderism is an incoherent marxist ideology based on doublethink. gender is a performative social construct and yet, someone can be born the wrong gender. point out the blatant contradictions of this ideology and lgbtsjws will only be able to screech: white male! hate speech! hate speech!. Ultimately it is not supposed to make sense, this is not about equality, this is a political plot to subvert society and abolish the gender binary. that's why transgenders loveto invent new pronouns, it's all about the thrill of impossing your will on those evil white people

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>>8661573
>you were obviously brought up in a fairly conservative neighborhood/values
>obviously

Funny how "outdated stereotypes" are chill when they suit YOUR agenda.

>>8661635
>transgenderism is an incoherent marxist ideology based on doublethink.
It's not an ideology, dumbass. It's a disorder. A medical condition.

>gender is a performative social construct
Gender is the way we experience the expression of the sexual differentiation of our neurology.

>and yet, someone can be born the wrong gender
For their sex, yes.

>point out the blatant contradictions of this ideology
Not my problem what liberals think.

>this is not about equality, this is a political plot to subvert society and abolish the gender binary.
I'd actually agree, hence why we see the rise of trenders. Trans people ourselves don't actually subvert the binary at all, and the left has found us inconvenient for decades.

>that's why transgenders
>transgenders
Kek.

>loveto invent new pronouns
No one actually trans does this.

>it's all about the thrill of impossing your will on those evil white people
Uh, pretty white over here.

I'm fine with paying for trans HRT health care and surgeries in my taxes but I should be entitled to at least one personal trans girl sex slave. It's only fair.

>>8661635
>gender is a performative social construct and yet, someone can be born the wrong gender
No, that's second wave feminism. You know, what gave rise to TERFs? Most third wave feminists accept transgenderism and brain sex, if they subscribe to the "gender is a social construct" view they usually consider it to apply solely to gender ROLES, not gender IDENTITY.

>>8661563
Agreed, either way it's perfectly reasonable for people who rely on medication to be barred from joining the military. Maybe in the future once we have ovary implants that would make HRT obsolete, this won't even be an issue.

>>8660646
most of them want to be left alone
that requires no effort on your part

Willing anuses.

>>8660991

Here's what you could to do be despised less: Make it clear you don't want to be represented in fiction. Or not even all fiction, just heroic fiction where all the main characters are fit and beautiful. Go on forums with a timestamp and a picture of your pills or whatever and tell people that being a tranny is not cool just like being fat is not cool. That it's a miserable life of suffering and anxiety you wouldn't wish on anyone, and should never be portrayed as 'equal.'

>>8662361
>heroic fiction where all the main characters are fit and beautiful.
How to identify a literal man-child of a reactionary bent. Jesus fuck, your stupid ass probably sees nothing wrong with that either, does it.

>>8662373

Nothing wrong with fiction where the main characters are all fit and beautiful? (Which is 90% of popular fiction.)

Yes, that's right. I see nothing wrong with that.

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>>8660646
You are assuming that a person's life exists to contribute to your idea of society. Is this all you think your life is for? To live for others? Why is it a person cannot live for themselves? Why does everyone have to live for everyone else? How does this make sense?
People should live for themselves make decisions that they think will make their life better, pro-tip they may be wrong, but that is their problem not yours. Moralizing about stuff that does not affect your life unless you let it, is some sad cunt shit.
I do agree that Trans people have no right to force you to participate in their life style or their pronouns, but if you do not wish to, simply walk away and do not associate with them. There is no need to get upset that they ask you to.
However, Trans people you have no call to push this into government. If you try, you will see more hate and more violence. Using the power of the government to force this on people is violence in itself and will only be met with more violence.

>>8662361
>Go on forums with a timestamp and a picture of your pills or whatever and tell people that being a tranny is not cool just like being fat is not cool.
It really is shitty anon, and I really wouldn't wish it on anyone. But this is still a thousand kinds of retarded, because what I wish or don't wish is irrelevant - being trans isn't like being fat. I'm not trans because I did something wrong or behaved poorly. I'm just trans. I've been this way from my earliest memory. Fat people ACTIVELY make themselves fat, every day they make the choice to eat poorly. There's literally no comparison at all.

And I get somewhat where you're coming from about the representation. I'm personally very sick of the never-ending diversity-for-the-sake-of-diversity. I'm tired of every show having gay characters, black characters, trans characters and Muslim characters and people are still upset if there's white men. The kinds of stories where heroes are actually someone you aspire to be and not someone who is just supposed to make you feel better about yourself is being lost. There's a kind of transcendence in art that is being lost.

But I'm not going to tell someone to NOT create a trans character if they genuinely want to. I just want stories to be the ones people genuinely want to tell, rather than following either a diversity agenda or a "make sure you let the kiddies know those trannies are SICK!" agenda. Just tell a fucking story. We don't get good stories any other way.

>>8662420
>Why is it a person cannot live for themselves?
Not the OP; but because you're then a complete waste of resources. If you only live for yourself, why exactly is society helping to keep you alive? You're a burden.

>Using the power of the government to force this on people is violence
Blech, this is as bad as SJWs insisting that slurs are "violence." VIOLENCE is violence. Nothing else is violence. Can we keep that straight?

>>8662512
>Not the OP; but because you're then a complete waste of resources. If you only live for yourself, why exactly is society helping to keep you alive? You're a burden.
People living for themselves are supporting them selves creating value to others to earn their resources society does not have to provide them.

>Blech, this is as bad as SJWs insisting that slurs are "violence." VIOLENCE is violence. Nothing else is violence. Can we keep that straight?
Government is violence it does not produce anything it does not sell you anything. It creates laws and enforces them with violence. You don't follow laws people with weapons come to make sure you do, kill you or take you away. There is no comparison here to hurt feelings.

>>8662420

> does not affect your life
> does not affect your life
> does not affect your life

We're probably going to see laws being passed soon in certain countries making it a 'Hate Crime' to not respect someone's "gender identity."

In a few years, if things keep going they way they are, I won't be able to enjoy a book, television or video game series without having to suffer through the story insisting the mandatory tranny character is a 'real women.' Oh wait, one tranny is tokenism, better have at least two trannies per story.

And ultimately, it makes society and the world an uglier place. I don't want a world of ugly people, I don't want a world of the obese, and I don't want a world of trannies.

You better believe it affects me.

>>8662489

Fine. Then say ugly people. People who got a bad roll of the genetic dice and were born with fucked-up faces or something. It's tragic, it's completely unfair, but it happens. Those people aren't represented any more than fat people.

>>8662549
Then you proceed to ignore my warning to trans people about this, and how it is not in their interest to create the thought police. Everyone looses in this scenario accept people who seek power.

>>8662562
>loses

>>8661635
Gender roles are partly social constructs partly biology. Gender identity is just a part of your biology, however. Being a feminine guy is wholly different to being a trans woman

>>8662562
>Nazi Nazis
>"See, this is why trannies can't have rights!"

>>8660646
trap porn.. srs post.. its art

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>>8664475
her body is her canvas

>>8662361
Recognizing that being trans is a bad thing doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented in fiction. It just means the classic token perfect tranny character is retarded. You can write a trans character in a realistic way and make an interesting plot out of them dealing with their conflicts.

Do you also think fiction shouldn't have characters with cancer, or depression, or whatnot?

>>8661635
>when the teenage /pol/ylp thinks himself an intellectual
you have no grasp over half the concepts you used in this post

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Passing trannies shouldn't need to convince others to use their preferred pronouns. Their goal is to have others refer to them that way naturally

>>8660646
>what do trannies actually contribute to society that justifies them demanding that all of society support their delusion and self image?

How about you justify the existence of a corrupt political system has has leeched +20 trillion in cash from taxpayer without giving anything in return

>>8660907
underrated post