Do you thin this kind of fictional depiction of gay is harmful,

>>8656712
For sure. Persona used tired old stereotypes with a pedophilic bent. But then again, it's Japanese media, so I'm not really expecting progressiveness on this issue

>>8656712

Kanji was pretty awesome desu.

>>8656712
Persona 5 in general had terrible localization, and aside from the dialogue this stood out to me as one of the worst handled moments.

Like, the cometic beat still would have worked if they either made those characters pervy older women or played up that Ryuji was uncomfortable by those characters specifically and not all gay people alive. But as it is, the message was AHHH GAY, and the localization team has to fucking know that's a contentious issue in western countries.

How persona 5 handled this was criticized since day one.

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>>8656725
>For sure. Persona used tired old stereotypes with a pedophilic bent. But then again, it's Japanese media, so I'm not really expecting progressiveness on this issue

>>8656739
Kanji is a weird guys, having a crush on a girl and then another girl in the dancing game.

>>8656785

Well, yeah, he's bi.

>>8656785
He thought naoto was a dude didn't he

>>8656824
lel if you think that. He was just confused.

>>8656712
I just think it's hilarious that these games try to portray themselves as so innovative, thought-provoking, and 2deep4u yet include cringy anime tropes and shit like that.

>>8656739
He wasn't gay, just insecure about traditionally feminine hobbies.

>>8656900
>We shouldn't judge people by what society think of them
>Here are a couple of gays that fill every stereotype ever

>>8657019

It's not just that. His shadow self out rightly says he is attracted other men. Throw in the fact that he was attracted to Naoto whilst under the impression that Naoto was another man, albeit a more androgynous man.

>>8656782
Wait emil the twink robot?

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>>8657122
Uh?

>>8657123
Ohhh right that fucker, I don't play taro's depressing games so i keep forgetting their names.

>>8656712
It's not any worse than the large number of gay people in other media who's sexuality is their main character defining trait

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I agree that they did Kanji well in persona 4

But with how they treated the whole exchange in the persona 4 anime, and then persona 5, it seems like Kanji was more of a fluke than a thoughtful attempt to portray gay characters. Atlas is not bioware.

>>8657178
>I agree that they did Kanji well in persona 4
>"Dude" he's un love with is a girl
>Tons of homophobia directed at him you are suppose to find funny
>Not even an option to date him

>>8657176
How?

>>8657242
>Dude" he's un love with is a girl

He's clearly bi. I'm surprised so many people found this difficult to understand. Thought it was really obvious.

>>8657254
>He's clearly bi. I'm surprised so many people found this difficult to understand. Thought it was really obvious.
Because he show no interest in any other dude while he show attraction in multiple girls while claiming he's not "like that" over and over.

You think the director who put scenes like that in the OP is going to put a gay chara in his game?

>>8657262

His shadow self explicitly does show attraction to men and he is clearly fucking infatuated with Naoto whom he believes to be a man for the majority of the game.

>You think the director

Yeah, considering the writers have said he is.

>>8657276
>His shadow self explicitly does show attraction to men
Yeah, and Shadow Rise is a stripper and Naoto was going for a sex change even though she's not even trans

>Yeah, considering the writers have said he is.
Nope.

>>8657262

>"It ain't a matter of guys or chicks, I'm just scared shitless of being rejected."

Dude, he's at the very least bi. How else are you supposed to interpret this?

>>8657302
>How else are you supposed to interpret this?
By saying it isn't a matter of guys or chicks?

Kanji spend the rest of the game screaming how straight he is.

>>8657329

>By saying it isn't a matter of guys or chicks?

So you agree that he is attracted to both men and women to some extent?

>Kanji spend the rest of the game screaming how straight he is.

>Kanji spend the rest of the game screaming how straight he is.

Not really.

>>8656712
Lol, gay jokes are funny. Stereotypes are funny.

I bet none of you give two shots when black characters are stereotypical.

I'm a gay man who nobody ever even consider may be gay, but I have never had any problems with this type of humor.

>>8656712
The okama does not really exist outside of Japanese culture. It's harmful to Japan but it doesn't really impact the rest of the world.

>>8657098
It said that it much prefers men because they don't talk about you behind your back, which I don't think is true

>>8657364

"you three would make wonderful boyfriends."

"Y'know, I can be very gentle towards boys!"

I agree that yeah his sexuality is left somewhat vague but I feel like his shadow persona goes deeper than just his own securities regarding masculinity. His sexuality, whatever it may be, clearly plays a role.

>>8657343
>So you agree that he is attracted to both men and women to some extent?
Nope. As he said, it's not about attraction.

>Not really.
Yeah, all those time he tries to prove he's straight to Yosuke.

>>8657351
>I'm a gay man who nobody ever even consider may be gay, but I have never had any problems with this type of humor.
>People laught at you and call you a faggot
>What's so bad about it?

>>8657351
>I bet none of you give two shots when black characters are stereotypical.
[citation needed]

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it's art.. just because it's not neo-liberal propaganda pandering to authoritarian progs does not mean its not funny or doesnt satisfy their target demo.

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>>8656712
Forget Kanji best canon gay boy coming through

>>8659738
Yeah, calling someone a faggot is 10/10 humor.

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Reminder that Atlus already made a gay couple. So they haven't kissed m-mabye they wanna be pure.
With Yamato being interested in only Hibiki so far as to say your mine, After Hibiki has to kill Yamato and fight that God thing, first thing he does when the world reboots he runs to Yamatos house tears streaming down his face. Sure it's fujobait but it's the best we're going to get with Atlus.

>>8659738
>tired lgbt stereotypes
>funny jokes
Hyuk hyuk, I sur do love that one, cletus!

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>>8659962
>>8660086
Way to completely miss the point. Just because someone is a drug addict doesnt mean they sperg everytime someone says adrenaline junkie or even junkie in general. Southpark isnt saying gay people should be gassed and the drug addict might get mad if you call the cops on him or say something violent. And if you cannot laugh at yourself and have a sense of humor then wtf and just because you dont think it's funny that doesnt mean someone else feels the same way. Do drug addicts lose their shit everytime there is a junkie in a movie doing junkie shit and junkies think other junkies are hilarious sometimes even if the humor is rather dark like in "trainspotting" even though many drug addicts are highly functional and the real addicts that get away with their use are able to blend in and those characters are perhaps more interesting. And drug addicts are actually thrown in cages unlike gay people who get a free victim card now whenever someone is mean to them.

I can understand saying that it's unfunny but the level of triggered autism triggers my autism and ultimatley getting triggered all the time only serves to harm you further, although I think that a lot of people are actually addicted to getting triggered and they get a kind of high out of victim sjw trigger porn and then circle jerk about it on reddit.

Fucking lighten up. Youre only making it worse for yourselves and when you go after peopel with militant sjwism that only tiggers nazi fucbois on /pol worse to keep the cycle of hate continuously feedback looping on itself.

>>8660128
What the fuck are you talking about, we are talking about retarded scenes in P5.

>>8660147
he's just another uncle tom of lgbt
this retarded stance against own interet is idioticly popular here

>>8660128
pls take ur meds

>>8656712
I haven't played Persona 5, but this whole scenario of a bunch of gay guys being the antagonists as their aggressive come ons get rejected by young guy at the beach sounds hilarious to me.

Why can't people just laugh it off in good sport? Why does everything have to trigger these days? You can't be funny without being a little bit offensive sometimes.

>>8656782
Taro is Taro, though. Emil and Kaine are a particular case same with the Operators being bi/les. Taro isn't at all the Nip game/media scene as a whole.

>>8659751
Persona started at 3

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>>8660482
>You can't be funny without being a little bit offensive sometimes.

Exactly what the joke here? "Here come the gays, with their funny clothes and will try to rape you XD"

Wow, very original, very funny.

>>8660482
This right here. It's played for jokes, get the dicks out of your asses for a second and stop being so anally retentive.

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>>8660504
What?

>>8660553
>It's played for jokes
Woah, so funny. This joke that has NEVER done before and it's totally original and well done.

How does Hashino do it every time?

>>8660550

Here, let's over-analyse everything like you guys love to do, but we'll do it in a way that twist things in /lgbt/s favor instead of the other way... despite neither being the truth.
I think the joke is that Ryugi always tries to act hyper-masculine and the second his heterosexuality is at risk he falls into a blubbering mess of fear. It's funny because cis people are so uncomfortable with anything outside of vanilla that even the most masculine men lose it all when things are slightly out of order, haha!

>>8660560
Who cares? Jokes get overdone because they are successful. A comedian longs to become a hack because that means his jokes were funny enough to begin with.

>>8660578
cishet**

>>8660578
>Here, let's over-analyse everything like you guys love to do,
Who's over-analyse anything? Thee is nothing to over-analyse.

>I think the joke is that Ryugi always tries to act hyper-masculine and the second his heterosexuality is at risk he falls into a blubbering mess of fear. It's funny because cis people are so uncomfortable with anything outside of vanilla that even the most masculine men lose it all when things are slightly out of order, haha!

Except the joke doesn't fall on Ryuji. He's not the weird one there.

There are two gay guys that act like every stereotype in existence and you think the joke fall on the straight party member?

They also assault you again at the beach. What do you have to say about that one?

>>8660578
>Who cares? Jokes get overdone because they are successful

Except there is no joke here. Unless you think "gay guys trying to rape straight boy" is a funny joke, which would make you underage.

What do you even defend this? Hashino hates you and think you are a joke.

>>8660599
Dude, they aren't making fun of ALL GAYS
They're making fun of that certain type of gay, that absolutely exists.

>you think this is funny and I don't so you're underage
Or maybe I'm just not a fucking loser who rages at a video game's "representation"(throwaway gag) of gay people :^)

Let's look at Kanji here. Their representation of kanji in comparison was fair, albeit a little shallow (because they people writing the story likely didn't personally go through Kanji's, or any gay man's struggles), leaving most of it up to speculation.
And I mean, Yosuke was originally supposed to be choosable as a romantic social link as well, they got rid of the option, but kept the entire script otherwise. So you can assume that he's gay, or at least has homosexual tendencies, and it's never touched upon, except for the odd Freudian slip. So wouldn't that be fair representation?
Why do you people always have to latch on to the negative?

>>8660637
>Dude, they aren't making fun of ALL GAYS
Yeah, sure. See the numerous gay characters in P5 that aren't a joke.


>They're making fun of that certain type of gay, that absolutely exists.

Lol. They are literal confirm every single stereotype of gay men.

You know what straight dudes think? They think gays acts like girls, can't stop talking about gay they are, talk about fashions, and want to molest them all the time even without saying no.

Even the most flamboyant faggots won't assault random people on the street.

>Or maybe I'm just not a fucking loser who rages at a video game's "representation"(throwaway gag) of gay people :^)

Nope. The gay rapist joke was old in the 90. If you genuinely think it's funny in 2017 I can only guess you are a 14 years old /v/ KiA retard without too much experience in real life.
>Let's look at Kanji here.
Who is straight and in love with a girl and spend pretty much the whole game getting mocked.

>And I mean, Yosuke was originally supposed to be choosable as a romantic
And he isn't in the final game.

Oh, remember how Yosuke in P4 thought Kanji was going to rape him? Because that's what gays normally do, right?

>Why do you people always have to latch on to the negative?
Woah, so fucking nothing! Since you are underage I suggest you play Persona 2, it has legit gay characters and actual funny gay jokes.

I know, it's possible to tell funny gay jokes, this will blow your mind, but you'll get used to it.

>>8660675
>Projection: The Post

>>8660679
Good come back. Keep sucking Hashino's cock while he calls you a faggot and still make le gay joke in 2050.

>>8659412
>People laugh at you and call you a faggot
No. Most people laugh at the absurdity of it. People who laugh because they hate gays are going to be laughing regardless.

God damn. SJWs need to leave. I bet you don't like it when straight people say faggot either, huh?

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>>8660675
>>8660685
I don't think Kanji is straight.
There's extremely strong implications in the game that he's closet bi, not just the cringy jokes, but specific stuff about his shadow.

He imply doesn't act on his latent urges because his current love interest turns out to be a girl.
Potentially, he could fuck a guy.
He doesn't in the game because he's interested in a girl (even tho he initially thinks she's a guy).
And that's fine.
He works the way he is, you're being stubborn about this specific point just for the sake of shitting on that other poster (and that other poster is a complete idiot, to be fair).

>>8660675
>>8660685
Can't tell if you're a SJW or one of the turbovirgins who rants on here about how upset he is with pride because it's stopping him from being accepted in society.

Interesting that this may be a situation where both of those agree.

>>8660685
There's nothing else to say, retard.
Everything you're doing in this post is simply speculation.
So in return I'm playing the devil's advocate with my own speculation.
You lost the argument the second you started "u must b a kid" shit.
Also, I'm cishet. I just enjoy posting here, there's more of us than you'd think.

>>8660703
>Also, I'm cishet
No shit, everyone here figured it out on your first post.

>>8660694
>SJW
Glad you showed your true color, reddiot

>Everyone who disagree with me about any gay stuff is a SJW

>I bet you don't like it when straight people say faggot either, huh?
Not at all, faggot. Are you new to 4chan that you don't know most people here call each other faggot and nigga?

>>8660675
>>8660703
Oh and one more point here I missed...
>And I mean, Yosuke was originally supposed to be choosable as a romantic
>And he isn't in the final game.
His script wasn't changed from when you could. So all the gay shit is still there. Just because you can't date him anymore, doesn't change who he is.

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>>8660703
>Also, I'm cishet. I just enjoy posting here, there's more of us than you'd think.
No shit. We already figured when you think this scene is funny.


>You lost the argument the second you started "u must b a kid" shit.

Except you are a kid. Who else laugh at scenes like this? There is no inventive, no humor, just a bunch of stereotypes threw together than don't even fit the game's theme.


>>8660719
The fact you need to resort to delusions to make your point really shows it all.

>doesn't change who he is.
A straight dude.

>>8660698
>>8660698
>Can't tell if you're a SJW or one of the turbovirgins who rants on here about how upset he is with pride because it's stopping him from being accepted in society.

Sorry anon, we are not on /v/ were you can pack yourself on the back for calling other SJW.

>>8660718
Well then I honestly don't know what your issue is with stereotypical representation. People in the real world know how real gay people are. Nobody plays an anime video game going "oh. So THAT'S how gay people act!"

People on this board are absolutely obsessed with gay people's image in society, and they all seem convinced everything in pop culture is ruining it, but gay acceptance just continues to rise so I really can't get what the concern is.

>>8660745
Ah, so the turbovirgin. Thanks for clarifying.

>>8660756
>Well then I honestly don't know what your issue is with stereotypical representation
There aren't stereotype, they are laughing at you.

Unless you think the average gay rapes people?

>Nobody plays an anime video game going "oh. So THAT'S how gay people act!"
Someone never talked with an homophobe. Why do you think scenes like OP happened? It's almost like there is a certain perception of gay men.

>>8660740
A dude who was originally supposed to be gay, who was a romantic choice for the male protag, who the script was written as if he were gay, who hints at a crush on the male protag.
They remove the option to date him, but change nothing else at all about the script.
The script that has him written as is he were gay, who hints at having a crush on the male protag.
Am I truly delusional?

You bitch and moan about gay representation in a videogame. Tell me how you'd like to see gay people represented then.
Because if you're gonna complain that straight people think that gays are all obsessed with talking about how gay they are. Then your representation would be a guy who never mentions how he's gay, and never acts gay.

Then you'd start whining that there's no representation of gay people in video games.

Also if you need to resort to ad hominem the second someone disagrees with you, you might just be bitching, instead of actually debating.

>>8660761
projecting, projecting, projecting.

>>8660768
>Am I truly delusional?
Yes, he's straight. Characters get rewritten all the time and Yosuke is unmistakably straight.

>You bitch and moan about gay representation in a videogame.
Nope. I bitch about shitty unfunny scene. I understand you are young, but you'll get it one day.

Stop reading KiA and /v/ however, they are poisoning your mind.

>projecting, projecting, projecting.

LMAO.

Said the dude calling other people SJW and >You bitch and moan about gay representation in a videogame
>Then you'd start whining that there's no representation of gay people in video games.

>>8660781
>Yes, he's straight. Characters get rewritten all the time and Yosuke is unmistakably straight.
>but change nothing else at all about the script.
>Yes, he's straight. Characters get rewritten all the time and Yosuke is unmistakably straight.
>but change nothing else at all about the script.
>Yes, he's straight. Characters get rewritten all the time and Yosuke is unmistakably straight.
>but change nothing else at all about the script.
Can you read?

And I didn't call you an SJW, that was a different anon. If you weren't so assblasted, you could tell that right away.

>>8660789
>Can you read?
Woah, anon, you sure showed me! Yosuke is totally gay, how could people not see it?
>And I didn't call you an SJW, that was a different anon. If you weren't so assblasted, you could tell that right away.
How was I suppose to tell? You both type like retard and indulge in delusions.

>>8660761
Homophones use this shit to justify their own preexisting prejudice.

Stop fucking concerning yourself with what people who would hate you no matter what think. Your life will legitimately be better.

You know, considering every single video game threads on /lgbt/ ends up reading exactly like any other video game thread on /v/, it seems like what people say about /v/ being a bunch of homosexuals in denial really is true.
There's basically no difference in the userbase between the two boards.

>>8660805
>Homophones use this shit to justify their own preexisting prejudice.
So you think young people who never interact with a fags are not going to think that?

>>8660804
A) Your argument is that he was rewritten. He was not. So he's STILL written as gay. He's the representation you're looking for, yes?

B) Ad hominem.

>>8660817
>A) Your argument is that he was rewritten.
Except he is? They removed a cardinal part of his development.

>So he's STILL written as gay
Yes anon, he's totally gay. He's so gay that no one knows, it's never acknowledge by the devs, had a crush on a girl and no one consider him gay.

> He's the representation you're looking for, yes?
"I'm not looking for representation". What the fuck you are talking about? Stop talking about the imaginary SJW in your head, and I know you are doing that because I know people like you very well.

>B) Ad hominem.
Also truth.

>>8660824
Holy shit mate.
>Except he is? They removed a cardinal part of his development.
The fact that you can't date him is the cardinal part of his development? Really?

>Yes anon, he's totally gay[...]
Yeah because gay people have never tried to repress. There are cut english dubbed clips heavily alluding to the fact that it was a romantic choice, even if the devs never publicly stated it.
And have you even played the game?
Watched the show maybe?
They allude to his gay crush on the protag a LOT.
Dancing all night has someone wondering if they're "that kind" of partners.
Just shut up.
>"I'm not looking for representation". What the fuck you are talking about?[...]
You've been bitching the entire time that they're overdoing the gay trope, therefore I can arguably assume you're looking for better representation. If I'm wrong, then so be it.

>Also truth.
Ad Hominem. Projection.

>>8660814
Young people who "never interact with fags" are almost non-existent now. Everyone knows a gay person.

So no, I'm not concerned about this tiny minority you are.

>>8660839
>The fact that you can't date him is the cardinal part of his development? Really?
No, the fact that they mention is supposed homosexuality.

>Yeah because gay people have never tried to repress.
So why it never came out in the game? It's not it's about people repressing

>Dancing all night has someone wondering if they're "that kind" of partners.
Woah, so fujobait at best and worst just fucking humor.

>Just shut up.
lol. Good argument bro! He's totally gay! He's so gay no one knows but you!

>You've been bitching the entire time that they're overdoing the gay trope

No,I'm bitching about shitty gay jokes rooted in homophobia that aren't even funny or jokes.

>>8660851
>Young people who "never interact with fags" are almost non-existent now. Everyone knows a gay person.
Not everyone in the world is America moron.

>>8661003
What the hell are you even saying anymore?
Why should it HAVE to come out? If "r e a l" gay people don't truly always talk about how gay they are, then why should it be developed any more?
It's not fujobait because it's not intended to arouse, it's just a statement out of curiosity.
You're bitching about nothing and everything all at once.
>>8661009
pretty sure this game isn't available in third world shitholes.

>>8661009
Who the fuck cares about how non-western countries are impacted by a goddamned anime game???

>>8661040
>What the hell are you even saying anymore?
What are you? Character show no interest in the same sex, isn't romance in a series in which every thing interest in your is romancable, author never told you he's gay, no one ever acknowledge he's gay is the great gay representation even though the character is straight.

>Why should it HAVE to come out?

Woah! You are also a fucking idiot! Did you actually play Persona 4? The game in which the character HIDDEN SECRET come to light?

>It's not fujobait because it's not intended to arouse, it's just a statement out of curiosity.
Not, that's exactly what fujobait is. Stimulating fujo fantasies without giving anything concrete, because characters are not fucking gays.


>pretty sure this game isn't available in third world shitholes.
Europe and some more retrograde American countries are not shitholes. Christ, you think Japan doesn't have LGBT issue? Go read about the bully of gay individuals they have there. I'm sure as a straight dude you not that very well.

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>>8660578
>I think the joke is that Ryugi always tries to act hyper-masculine and the second his heterosexuality is at risk he falls into a blubbering mess of fear.
So why don't they look like "Normal" gay?

>>8661139
>Europe isn't a shitholes
HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA *breaths* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA