I was born a male and I transitioned but I feel like there has

Pics? How is your voice?

>>8651179
Who did your FFS? And what age did you start HRT at?

>>8651181
i am tired of posting pics because pics don't show the reality, trust me. voice is not an issue i get clocked before i open my mouth. i started transition very early.

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>>8651189
well yeah, 90% of little boys look like carbon copies of their masc dads. it's why most of the people here lie when they say that they could have, on the very, very least, been a "physical candidate" for being early transition.

This is sad because it demonstrates the reality that most transgender people that go through HRT suffer, a reality that is not shown in the media. But I'm pretty sure you're beautiful how you are, anyways. Cheers!

Here's a webpage for people who suffered like you, if you need any help.

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

>>8651189
If you are as bad as you say you are, pics should definitely show it

>>8651186
Probably Spiegel.

>>8651204
i mean, i wanted to be a woman and live as a woman in society so the regret is not about not feeling like a woman the problem is that you need to pass to live like a woman in society and these websites like reddit and susan's are very harmful because they lie to transitioners and they set them up for disappointments. i am not beautiful i just feel angry that my parents helped me with the expenses for ffs and the stupid hormones and i do not have a role of a woman in society

Yes pics or your making shit up for attention.

>>8651220
It's a skull-chan thread.

>>8651211
you are so mistaken. trannies can look amazing in pictures but put them next to a real woman and you'll see. Pix are useless.

>>8651200
early transition is bullshit, look at jazz, she started very early and she is looking more and more manly. I hate how people here lie.

>>8651220
you are saying that it's impossible for someone to not pass? Boy you are so stupid

>>8651217
I understand your pain. I wish more people thought like I do so that people like you wouldn't suffer. I don't mind appearances, and would treat anyone how they desire. If you want to be a woman, no matter how you look, you should be treated like that.

>>8651220
In all good conscience, you have NEVER seen a transgendered woman who does not pass? In what kind of alternate universe do you live?

>>8651231
>>8651247
>>8651254
Confirmed bdd attention whore
Pics or gtfo

>>8651189
how early?

>>8651254
It's actually rare for a 20-30 year old tranny to not pass at all provided they put in effort

>>8651282
jesus christ you are so fucking stupid you should die

>>8651282
What? For one, there is A MASSIVE difference between even a 20 and 25 year old, to say nothing of 20 and 30. And for two, most in this age range don't pass. Hell, many in the mid teens and above don't pass. Testosterone is just that potent.

>>8651282
you are delusional and stupid

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>I'm 7 months in and still don't pass
>"You just haven't been on HRT long enough, hun!"
>I'm 16 months in and still don't pass
>"You just haven't been on HRT long enough, hun!"
>I'm 4 years in and still don't pass
>"You just haven't been on HRT long enough, hun!"

Don't you just love the "community"?

Sure is same fag in here

>>8651359
yep, absolutely. Spot on

>>8651359
What time is long enough, then?

>>8651377
999 years and 16 seconds tbqh.

>>8651359
Yeah fuck I hate this shit.

>>8651322
>>8651333
>>8651349
Passing =/= cis-tier.

>>8651282
you are mistaken. You make it sound that any guy can pass as a woman with effort. That is absolutely ridiculous

>>8651403
If you don't pass for a cis woman, it means you're visibly trans. People are just being nice to you.

>>8651359
Well, old people look kinda the same so maybe that is what they mean.

>>8651216
(((Spiegel)))

>>8651408
Have you ever gone to the hair salon, had your nails and eyebrows done, applied makeup that you spent months learning how to do on youtube and then have someone IRL call you a man? I bet not because you just grew your hair out, sat in your room and wondered why you don't pass.

>>8651448
You, in your heart, believe that having your nails done, your eyebrows done, your hair done, applying make up professionally all of that is going to change a massive male structure? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you think that nails, make up and eyebrows are going to eliminate every single cell of your body that screams male? You sound like a fucking autogynephilic crossdresser, stupid. Answer my question: does hair salone, make up, nails make you shorter or change your bone structure?

>>8651484
>implying i'm not lithe

sounds like you lost the genetic lottery and should kill yourself

>>8651200
I looked quite andro as a little boy, I grew into a big masc AGP anyways. I do have some hints of androgyny, but I doubt i'd pass worth shit. My father is very masc looking, I have some of his traits but I dont strongly resemble him.

>>8651507
you THINK you looked quite andro, and that is the problem of tranny's perception that they overestimate how feminine they look

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>>8651507
that's too bad i guess. but anyway, it's common knowledge that you have to pass to be able to pass, or only need *slight* revisions (i.e. Blaire White).

these threads are just creepy and pointless and i don't like how skull-chan likes to create an atmosphere of total men bragging and lauding how much of a man they are, it's creepy and scary.

>>8651513
>overestimate
Kek it's more like the opposite desu. Trannies have the most bdd of anyone

>>8651491
what is the point of this post?
why are you bragging about yourself?

>>8651513
this. Anytime i think i look fem in the mirror, i see myself on footage at work and see the "man" i really appear as. And everyone say's i look just like my father (minus a pallet swap), who's a womanizing mans man.

>>8651179
In all seriousness, you're mentally ill and should talk to a therapist and explain your disappointments.

>>8651533
when people say "you are your own worst critic" that is a load of crap. We all over-estimate how attractive we look. Even when we claim to look like shit, we, deep inside, are fishing for compliments and we want other people to tell us we look good. Now, trannies have this tendency on a much larger scale. Trannies think they look feminine and they go to cross-dresser meetings where they compliment each other and feed on their delusions. The trannies who realize who bad they look, kill themselves

>>8651577
you are the mentally ill one, here. I have a therapist, but, tell me, how is my therapist going to change my bone structure? I guess it hurts you because you were hoping you could pass and I am bursting your babble

>>8651533
I see a T damaged dyke in the mirror, but the man becomes obvious in profile or on an angle. Yes on camera at work I look pretty masc.

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>>8651484
women come in all sizes and shapes, just because you're not smiled or thin doesn't mean you couldn't pass.
girls do their nails
girls do their hair
girls spent 2 hours applying make up
girls try on 1000 different pieces of clothing before buying only 5
girls shave and moisturize
girls no matter how ugly always try to be sexy and carry themselves with pride

you have to start putting some effort and yeah maybe those things will not make you shorter or change bone structure but like i said every woman is different and if you do make the effort, those things will definitely make ppl put attention to them and less attention to those other things you don't like about yourself.
just make yourself that favor and give it a try

>>8651578
so why not just kill yourself and leave it up to passers to continue to spread your "message"?

>>8651578
>think they look feminine and they go to cross-dresser meetings where they compliment each other and feed on their delusions
These are hons. They're men in dresses with no concept of femininity, nor do they care about passing. Just look at Susan's or Reddit.

>>8651582
>how is my therapist going to change my bone structure?
They're not, but they might just be able to get you to stop being a depressed sack of shit and recommend a doctor or specialist who can actually fix your physical problems.

not even a tranny

>>8651578
>when people say "you are your own worst critic" that is a load of crap
literally what my therapist said when i told her i didn't think i would pass. Im like 5'9 and i literally have only met one or two girls my height in my life. And the only one who has my proportions is black, so her hips are huuuuugggeeee, and her face passes. Plus im jacked from work, and when i passed through work with a sleeveless shirt, my male boss was jokingly telling me to show off my guns to the office girls.

THen they always say shit like "what does passing mean to you?"

Like, it should be obv. I pray at night that ill have some amazing hrt changes. I don't mind being an ugly girl or whatever, just let me pass.

>>8651587
>girls are defined by this list of stereotypes
This is a big part of the reason MTF trannies will never be accepted as women by society at large. They're essentially caricatures of what they mistakenly think a woman is, because they don't have what a woman actually is, because they're men. Broken men, but men.

>>8651614
this.
The majority of the girls i know barely ever wear makup, unless they go to the club. They literally just wear the minimum needed to look pretty, and pick a basic fashion sense.

Anytime i see a girl in full makeup and dressed to the max, she always looks way out of place.

>>8651614
is not even stereotype, the majority of girls do this all the time and those who don't have already done that at least once.
I'm not here to try to convince you; you go ahead and do whatever you please. and the thing is like I said there are many male features on some mtf so extra effort must be done in case passing is really important but if it's not for you i really don't see the point of this thread.

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>>8651216

>>8651231
Hi skully chan!

>>8651628
I'm not OP, I'm just explaining why that shit doesn't actually mean anything, it's entirely superficial and will be blown away with the slightest breeze. Being a woman is both a biological sex and a state of being, neither of which can be obtained if you didn't have it from the start.

>>8651619
>The majority of the girls i know barely ever wear makup,
That's because they don't have to.

Another worthless psychoanalyzing thread from the polish TERF shitposter.

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Critique the trans woman in this pic, skull-chan

>>8651179
I thought HRT doesn't cause cellulite?

>>8651708
>Starts hrt at fucking 12 years old
>Still taller than all the other women

I don't even want to imagine what one of us six foot tall twinkhons would look like in that picture.

>>8651587

This is just a load of bullshit. A woman can look like a woman with her hair up, no make up and from all possible angles. Nails and hair won't do shit. One of the biggest problems of trannies is that they have big faces and these big, long faces (or wide) remain huge even after FFS. So, here you have a bunch of idiots on chan saying "oh, women come in all shapes, sizes, and forms, there are women with big faces". No, dumbass, a woman's big face is not the same as a man's big face. Why people can't fucking grasp the concept of range?

Damn OP, I'm sorry. Without knowing what you look like, it's impossible to offer any advice on how to pass better. If it's any consolation, I went without any medical access for many years and passed really poorly (still pass shitty), and it sucks but it also taught me only to depend on my own self-assessment. By which I mean, I know who I am and I don't let anyone clocking me hurt me because it's impossible for them to take that away from me.

Other people in this thread are going to respond to this with childish hysterics, but this is a real life lesson most of them still need to learn. Nobody else can make you happy with yourself. That's as true of someone with gender dysphoria as anyone else.

>>8651204
Holy shit that site is bad. Every single piece of misinformation about trans people complied in one place.

Dude, we get it. You were abused as a kid and transitioned for the wrong reasons. I'd be more sympathetic to Walt if he was only expressing concerned that abused kids could get misdiagnosed as trans...rather than outright trying to stop people who are actually trans from accessing health care.

What a dickweasel.

>>8651519
You're so self-deluded that it's "creepy and scary."

>>8651247
>doesn't post pics
>extremely unfortunate circumstances

If this was a 20 y/o transitioner,maube I'd believe them, but OP said they're "very early", if this person hasnt had FFS, then I'd believe them, and if this person bothered posting pics as proof, then I'd also believe them.

This is extremely obvious bait, I knew something was up from the OP alone, just another day on tttt with Skull chan, Cara and Cure chan I suppose.

>>8651484
It does yeah, I don't pass at all unless I do my hair and makeup. As >>8651587 cis women put this effort too so how the fuck are you gonna look like them without doing the same
>>8651793
My mum looks like a genderless blob in the morning. Some ciswomen can be mistaken for men if they don't try.
>>8651619
Yeah in country hick towns. Here in the city they're always fully made up in the latest fashions

>>8651784
That's because the current procedures are retarded. E at young age is just as crucial as puberty blockers, yet it just doesn't happen.

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>>8651784
she started hrt at fifteen and blockers at fourteen
of course, there are still certain other early trans who start blockers pre-puberty and hrt at 13 and still ended up six-feet tall and twinky

>>8652530
Why does she look better at 1 year than at 7 years?

>>8652530
Nice oval face but bad brow, means bangs make her look good. I'm the same. she should have stuck to that hairstyle or got a forehead reconstruction. Oh and she's probably fatter on the left as well.

>>8652535
Fuck sake >>8652551 is meant for you.

>>8652551
Strange, she looks so much better in the left pic

>>8652530
>dead eyes
Is she as fake as she sounds,?

>>8652611
no that's just a trans thing

>>8652613
doubt.jpg

>>8652614
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/search/text/tran%2A%20"dead%20eye%2A"/

post pics

>>8652530
I thought she started at 13? Either way, she's still far more passable than /tttt/ trannies.

>>8651359
Would you rather they just tell you the truth? You're never going to pass and should just accept it. Enjoy the crippling depression.

>>8652530
This is proof that most girls can pass as guys with minimal effort. So naturally most mtfs can pass as guys with minimal effort too. There's a lot more to being a woman than have weak facial features.

You can't blame your male biology for everything

>>8652535
She got the leftist Commie mind virus which made her mentally insane. She was a qt but then buzzed off the hair on the side of her head and started dressing like a retard. Stay away from leftism.

>>8652671
That serious?

I want to fuck a tranny so bad. But I don't want anything to do with their dick. But I wish I could fuck one so bad before I die. But a very passable one. But there's almost none in my country. But I really want it.

I just came here to have that rant. Thanks for your understanding, fellow degenerates. :^)

>>8652530
Still looks like a man. Proves that starting early doesn't save you from hun-ness

>>8651179
>on reddit and Susan's forum

Oh sweetie

>>8651582
Why are you ripping on him for suggesting something to help you?

Having gender dysphoria is a mental illness
Transitioning clearly isn't going to help you resolve it, right? You need to talk to a therapist and try and find other ways of accepting/lessening your problems, since this avenue wont work.

Nothing the person youre responding to says suggests that they are trans or trying to pass, youre just lashing out

>>8651587
Im an actual female, born female

Ive literally never done any of the things on the list except shave and try to be sexy, but Im not particularly ugly so I cant speak to how hard ugly girls may or may not try.

The difference, physically, between a natural female and a mtf is that a natural female doesn't have to do *anything* to be female or be seen as female.
Doing those things won't magically turn a male into a female, and if a female doesnt do those things she wont magically be a man.

>>8651793
Is your mum fat or ugly?

PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND. PLEASE. WHY DO YOU ASK FOR PICTURES? What do you expect to see from pictures? Please help me, I am confused

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>>8652898
Well, you obsessively brag about how much of a man you are and always have been. So I just think that it would be funny to see (not being one of the people that asked beforehand). Carth told me that you looked really bad.

>>8652898
Well, wouldn't truth be nice, rather than rambling of a depressed mind?

>>8652907
Who is carth? I look very different in pictures compared to real life. In pictures I can look passable. In real life, you don't recognize me

>>8652926
Why not show us the video you mentioned from work?

>>8651587
this is so stupid and harmful. A real woman can leave the house in a ponytail. Trannies have to hide 70% of their faces behind impractical and unrealistic hairstyles, that is absurd.

>>8653899
hons have to buy into delusion in order for them to leave the house

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>>8651587
>women come in all sizes and shapes, just because you're not smiled or thin doesn't mean you couldn't pass.

True

>girls do their nails

Sometimes....

>girls do their hair

Yeah, I guess, usually....

>girls spent 2 hours applying make up

Whoa wait what

>girls try on 1000 different pieces of clothing before buying only 5

Uhh

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>>8652655
yes, truth is good. we need more truth less circlejerk

ive been on 5 year hrt and I've always known the truth, it's hard learning to live with it, but given how I'm 23 and not 63 and I will have to live and work and function in society for many years possibly yet---unlike these hugboxing hons who are one leg in grave and living off their pensions and can afford to be escapist all they want

>>8653955
how are ppl with penises expecting to pass with minimum effort just because some girls go out with minimum effort?

how about accepting we have to put more effort since we had to transition later in life rather than being born with proper biological sex

>girls don't spend that much time putting make up
>not every girl does her hair and nails

well guess what? they were born biologically females and they pass by default, however extra effort must be done from those who were not and if you don't like putting that effort then don't complain about not passing when all it's being done is is shit posting here waiting to suddenly pass magically

>>8653995
You're replying to someone who transitioned right after puberty and thinks that that somehow puts in them in the same caste as those cis women.

>>8651793
Haven't you ever seen pictures of 1920s working class women? Most of them look like your average twinkhon

>>8653995
How about accepting we won't all pass and making peace with that fact?

>>8651179
sorry man you were a victim of the liberal agenda. I'm with her!

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>>8653995
I can understand doing specific things for the sake of passing/survival, but it seemed like you were making weird blanket statements about all women and what they do or don't do, and then suggesting that trans women conform to some monolithic idea of woman. I don't really think that's healthy, it can make you think that you're not measuring up to something that doesn't even really exist. And it can make you hold fucked-up ideas about womanhood.

>>8654031
I'm not sure if I see myself as being the "same" as cis women, I have problems that they don't. But I'm not in a separate "caste" from my friends. I'm not even sure what that means.

>>8654063
That's because they aren't wearing makeup.

>>8654031
If you pass, in looks and socially, and are stealth and a normal person, of course you're the same as cis women.

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>>8654439
this is bait

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>>8651708
is this her?