Non troll here just trying to understand some things. That thing

>>8631276
>This thread again.
>Phoneposting.

Hope you get banned /pol/nigger.

>Hair on every place that isn't the head
>Fucking buzz lightyear chin
>Dead baby corpse tucked into the shirt to resemble tits
I'd consider it a woman or a tranny if they put enough effort into their appearance to pass. That's a hon, faggot.

>>8631288
I am not phoneposting

MtF here.

I do not consider somebody a woman unless they genuinely put in effort to pass as one. Shave, take care of yourself, take hormones, dress appropriately, use your voice.

Hons get more respect from me if they really are trying, even if they don't necessarily pass.

The people who make a stink about not being able to get into women's restrooms while not even attempting to appear female are typically fetishists and do not deserve an ounce of respect, and I do not consider them transgendered. I consider them fetishists.

It's all about effort. People who are legitimately dysphoric will make a real attempt and put actual effort into it. Simple as that.

>>8631293
>shaving means being a woman
Trannies are the ultimate misogynists

Technically no that is not a woman

No trans woman is technically a woman and vice versa technically no trans man is man.

However if you make a half decent attempt to pass I will gladly call you by your preferred pronoun out of politeness.

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>>8631299
You may be mtf on the outside but your still a sexist shitlord on the inside
>>8631298
>image.jpg

>>8631362
>accuses me of phoneposting since I label all my images as image
>post a photo with image as a filename

>>8631362
Sure, if that makes you feel better. I'm a sexist shitlord, and I'll take the hit for it. Doesn't change the fact that fetishistic, predatory old men who want to tromp around in a wig and get into women's restrooms are ruining things for the rest of us. Put in the effort and maybe you won't look like such a disgusting creature.

I get your post is factious, but there are people who actually feel that way and it infuriates me to no end.

>>8631362
How is he a sexist shitlord? He is speaking the truth.

>>8631358
>technically trans women are not women

This is EXTREMELY problematic

>>8631357
lmao

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>their shitty phone apps can't post custom file names

>>8631276
That's bad clinical practice on the doctor's part. Probably american educated.
Jus' sayin'.

>>8631381
She's not sexist, the guy is just memeing
The man is the pic claims to be trans and tried to enter a women's br looking like that. Threatened a lawsuit when he was thrown out

Transgirls talk a big deal about passing but I think its just talk and any hon they met, they would still say her and would expect everyone else too also.

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>>8631394
Im actually on a tablet so i can post from the comfort of my bed instead of getting up, sitting in a chair, waiting for my pc to turn on.
All just so i can shitpost with filenames

I'd rather be in bed, and i am

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>>8631403
>REEEEEE WOMEN MUST LOOK LIKE WOMEN
>TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES
>FUCK FEMINISM I HAVE A PENIS

>>8631438
Trans woman is technically a man.

>>8631358
You are wrong you fucking brainlet.

We are SOCIAL animals.

Chromosomes have ZERO meaning on a social level.

A trans women is for every practical purpose (other than giving birth) a woman.

And yes men CAN give birth.

Holy fuck

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>>8631433

>>8631276
if they identify as a woman then yeah

this image is very transmisogynistic obviously, but yeah. It's supposed to paint a caricature of trans women by insulting their appearance and comparing them to "transracial" people (which aren't a thing).

>>8631507
Identifing as a woman doesnt magically make you a woman.

>>8631507
>Why or why not?
You illiterate retard.

>>8631507
>he doesn't realize people like that exists.

>>8631560
He is one.

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>>8631476
>A trans women is for every practical purpose (other than giving birth) a woman
m8....

>>8631574
Are you saying after menopause a cis person is no longer a woman?

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>>8631276
>>8631298
>>8631358

Reminder the archive proves that the freak from the above posts is the ban evading LGBP pedophile.

The same one who spammed this board with CP

Sage and report him. We have no room for out and proud pedophiles

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>>8631276
>>8631298
More of >>8631276 's last antics in pic attatched. He isn't even bothering to hide his pedophilia now. Report and sage.

>>8631357
>>8631362
are you guys even trying anymore

We should be mature enough to acknownledge both phenomena.
So if I were to become mtf, I should be able to say I'm a woman, but I'm biologically a man.
Documents should work that way too, and every institution should be allowed to tackle the gender identity issue independently.
Say, if it's a sports comission, you may want to consider the biological gender of the person so you know who gets to what kind of competition. But if it's some other form of gendered issue, say, women's groups, you may want to consider the psychological gender of the person.
You should treat mtf as woman, mostly due to politeness and respect, but neither she nor you should ever forget they are a biological male.

>>8631299
>The people who make a stink about not being able to get into women's restrooms while not even attempting to appear female are typically fetishists and do not deserve an ounce of respect, and I do not consider them transgendered

Even hons shouldn't be allowed in women's restroom...

The moment you're ready to start using the women's restroom is when you're in the men's restroom and every guy that walks in and sees you, immediately stumbles back to double check the sign

>>8631646
>>8631654
[citation needed]

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>>8631698
Cite your own admissions of guilt or how you got banned last time you pulled this

>>8631689
Gender is fake, hon. Your body is all that matters.

>>8631276
That thing on the left isn't real

>>8631693
Does this apply to honish cis women such as terfs too?

>>8631646

Why do you accuse /every/ anti-trans poster as a pedo?

>>8631720
Probly, but the agenda on lgbtq rights is already on. Besides, we've known for quite a while that you can't actually cure dysphoria/homosexuality without having serious depression issues. So why not let people that experiences this issues be called whatever they're wanna be called, have the distinction made between biological and psychological gender and then let institutions act accordingly.

>>8631715
That wasnt even me you dense fuck.

>>8631730
>she doesn't know every single anti-trans poster is the same person or that the hashes prove it

>>8631730
At this point he is either memeing or is really this delusional.

Hes been on record of accidently accusing a protranny poster of being a pedo since he misread the post. When we called him on it he deleted his post.

>>8631476
You know what applies on the social level?
The looking glass self
You are as other people see you not the meme you see yourself as.

>>8631737
>he thinks hashes prove anything

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>>8631737
>>8631730
You were demented enough to say the same thing in the pedophile thread here http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8577581/

>>8631749
He thinks having sex with kids is wholesome
>>8631742
You mean you were caught on the record defending a self admitted pedophile and claiming he wasn't one.

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>>8631742
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8577581/#8584816
this is where everyone realized you were nothing more than a slimy reality denying pedophile

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>>8631742
slimy reality denying pedophile is slimy

>>8631767
None of those posts where me.

Thanks for bumping my thread mate

>>8631791
Irrelevant when pedophiles aren't allowed to have threads

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>>8631737
>she

>>8631796
>aren't allowed

Are you 12?

>>8631817
People break rules all the time. The right thing to do then is hunt them down.

>>8631417
Hons and unpassing trans people deserve to be misgendered. They've reaped years of male privilege and have a lifetime of male socialization. Their brains have marinated in testosterone for decades. They don't know what it's like to be treated like a woman, with all the downsides that go with it, and they never will. Why should they deserve the same respect as younger transitioning, passing trans people, those who actually live the female experience?

>>8631820

>everyone I don't like is a pedo

Tranny delusions make me giggle

>>8631820
You accuse every anti trans person as being a pedo. I hope you're memeing since you have zero credability

>>8631838
>male privilege

Your memeing right?

>>8631861
What's the difference between a memer and someone stupid enough to believe it?

>>8631748
Which still means chromosomes have precisely zero significance in that context.

>>8631909
>the basic building blocks of dna have no significance

I have no problem calling a trans woman a she if they can atleast admit they are technically a man.

>>8631988
You literally said that one of the threads where you got banned for evading a cp ban

You even admitted to posting cp I. That thread

>>8631507
This. It's something akin to negro paintings from the Jim Crow era; an exaggerated caricature designed to make a marginalized group easier to hate.

>>8631988
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7987978/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8093853/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8107329/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7985603
You literally said that all these threads. And you also got banned for CP. And CP and evading bans is a lifetime ban. So good bye pedophile

>>8632374
Sharing same opinions makes you samefag

Tranny please

>>8632222
Why do you always accuse people of being that guy?

I've seen you accuse people of being that guy like a hundred times...

>>8632494
>Infact onetime someone made a post that was pro-trans and the guy misread it and thought it was anti-trans and he called him a pedo and when people corrected him he deleted the post and denied it ever happened.
KEK

>>8632494
almost every post in the thread is anti-trans though, why would they start with you if it was what you think it is?

>>8632562
i mean to be frank, people who are anti-trans are automatically pedos, so they aren't wrong

>>8632612
unhealthy obsession with gendering children based on their genitals

really icky

like they force children to dress and cut their hair based on whats between their legs so the whole world has to know

Its hard to put.

I dont see anyone as a man or woman by choice. If they look male or female, I see them as such. Its not conscious, I literally cannot help but misgender masculine appearing trans women and other way around. Voice, look, actions all go into this. Short answer, no i dont see bottom left as a woman, and not because of choice or politics

t. mtf

>>8632612
>feeding the triptroll
just filter it and maybe it will go away for a while

>>8632668
xD

>>8631988
>>the basic building blocks of dna have no significance
I did say "in that context". We're talking about social interaction here, not Punnet squares.

>I have no problem calling a trans woman a she if they can atleast admit they are technically a man.
They're not though. At most they're a male woman.

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>>8632494
>>8632562

The irony is hilarious. You said the same thing while posting a thread admitting to being a pedophile and complaining about why you weren't seen as better than trans.

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8577581/#8584816
get better at lying

>>8632461
Getting lifetime bans for evasion makes you same fag. Disgusting pedophile.
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7987978/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8093853/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8107329/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7985603
These all ended with bans for that

>>8632704
You left your tracks all over there nambla

>>8632693
100% of people who are born with a penis are told they are male for decades and are forced to act and dress as such

>>8632735
how do you know they weren't brainwashed?

>>8632757
just stop replying you dumb cunt

>>8632757
the vast majority of non western civilizations had some notion of genders other than male or female

also all the billions of people in history were all religious in some way so idk why you say that as if its an absurd posaibility

>>8632773
Yeah but sex and gender ain't the same

>>8632780
yeah true but sex is a meme as much as gender is

>>8631276
No i dont

>>8632697
>Humans are animals. Humans are not abstract social entities.
Chromosomes can't even be DETECTED during a typical social interaction, so I'm not sure what your reason is for claiming that they're relevant in that context.

>It's called being intersex. Not every tranny is an intersex.
If they were intersex, I would call them an intersex woman, not a male woman.

>>8632735
It wouldn't cause people to be confused if we just didn't force gender roles on people in the first place.

>>8631373
>accuses me of phoneposting since I label all my images as image

that's even more retarded than phoneposting

>>8632824
scientifically a trans woman that's on hrt really isn't biologically male

sex!=karyotype

>>8632841
i mean... yeah? if you have female hormones, and female secondary sex characteristics and no gonads you are effectively an intersex woman... definitely not biologically male at least lmao
>why would you even need to take hormones
because dysphoria is a neurological missmatch projection of your body and exists independently of gender in a genderless world

>>8632824
>Honey a trans woman is biologically a man. This is just pure and utter science.
"Biologically a man" is not a well-defined scientific concept. And you seem to be intentionally ignoring my point that scientific reality does not influence social interactions unless it is actually observed.

>Science doesn't care about your feelings.
Yet feelings and perceptions are what actually determine the outcome of social interactions. But go right ahead constructing a scientific model of social interactions based on the sex chromosomes of the participants.

>>8632841
A trans woman does not necessarily have a Y chromosome. And the actual anatomy and physical biology tends to be far more meaningful than what chromosomes you have.

>If gender is a social construct why would you even need to take hormones?
Because dysphoria arises from an incompatibility between the brain and the body, which is what HRT addresses.

>>8632873
If you don't like that, you can call them intersex instead.

>>8632885
Intersex is not the same thing, doofus.

>>8632885
>loss of genitals = intersex

inb4 hrt, we weren't talking about that

>>8632914
i was, idk why you think there's anyone that's gotten srs and isn't on hrt

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>>8632727
It was you after all. Your denials were pathetic lies. You also admitted in those threads to posting pedophilia.

>>8632841
>>8632824
Says the high school dropout
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported7 deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed8 the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.

>>8632697
>>8632824
Why does somebody who doesn't know basic genetics try and play biologist?

That's delusional.

>These discoveries have pointed to a complex process of sex determination, in which the identity of the gonad emerges from a contest between two opposing networks of gene activity. Changes in the activity or amounts of molecules (such as WNT4) in the networks can tip the balance towards or away from the sex seemingly spelled out by the chromosomes. “It has been, in a sense, a philosophical change in our way of looking at sex; that it's a balance,” says Eric Vilain, a clinician and the director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at the University of California, Los Angeles. “It's more of a systems-biology view of the world of sex.”

>>8632900
Social interaction was already established as the subject of discussion. And the whole point is that something does not come into play in a social interaction unless people are actually aware of it. Either keep up with the ongoing conversation, or make your point independently; right now, you're doing neither.

>>8632964
Interesting that that ban is for spam, not trolling. In other words it's fine to say that as long as you aren't spamming it.

Just a standard gay dude here. I'm not on board with the 'trans' thing. I think it's a social movement that's already seen it's brightest days in the sun and will fade away like bad fashion choices. If people are sick then they need our help, not our virtue signaling to show off how "enlightened" we are.

>>8631839
Yeah like pedos aren't even that bad! Stupid delusional trannies.
Pedosexuals deserve acceptance more than them!

>>8631742
>>8632494
>>8632516
>Infact onetime someone made a post that was pro-trans and the guy misread it and thought it was anti-trans and he called him a pedo and when people corrected him he deleted the post and denied it ever happened
>Hes been on record of accidently accusing a protranny poster of being a pedo since he misread the post. When we called him on it he deleted his post.
>we

This just reeks of samefagging, also
[citation needed]

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>>8631299
>MtF here.
>transgendered

So lets say you have a biological male with a penis who has a sex change, the biological male gets his penis turned into a vagoo and gets titties as well. before the surgery he identifies as a woman but after it he identifies as a man. What do now lgbt?

>>8636369
I think that's when KYS comes into the equation.

>>8636369
Put them on a hit-list and have someone else handle the bloody dirty work.

>>8632875
>"Biologically a man" is not a well-defined scientific concept.
Are you actually serious?

>>8631438
bad bait

>gender roles are a social construct, you can look and act however you want and shouldnt be judged for it
>except if youre a tranny, then you must look and act according to female gender roles to be considered a women