What's your orientation, sex and gender? What's your

>>8615393
Bisexual MTF here, this is how I feel about both:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-ZDK7uZLA

Bisexual female woman.

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?

Whiny bitter divorcees and virgins who do nothing for everyone.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?

Whiny bitchy losers who do nothing for anyone.

gay man man

a drop of common sense in an ocean of cancerous hateful self-delusion

I think everyone should be treated fairly and equally and if you're a stupid obnoxious cuntbag you deserve to be treated as such

>>8615393
bisexual male
>MRAs
most of the vocal ones are screeching autists who are displacing their insecurities and frustration, either at their less than desirable results with women or at how they've been fucked over in the past. there are some decent points at the core of several mra talking points tho.
>feminists
most of the vocal and influential ones are brainwashed neo-lib retards with a substandard understanding of economics, statistics, etc etc etc. or just generally terrible beliefs. there are some decent points at the core of some of the talking points, but reality often gets warped by ideology just like with MRAs.
arguments should be able to stand on their own, and it's stupid to let preconceived ideas prevent you from looking at a situation objectively. in general tho, fuck both groups

>orientation/sex/gender
Bisexual MtF
>opinion on MRAs
Most of them are faggy nerds who are using the stupidity of feminists to justify their dumb opinions. A lot of them are outright misogynists (see Roush V and Paul Elam) who don't actually do shit for men. They're using legitimate men's issues (disadvantage in custody disputes, double standard in domestic violence cases that negatively impacts male victims, etc.) to justify their bullshit while not actually doing anything about it. Most of them are just assholes, even the young ones. There are some exceptions.
>opinions on feminists
Most of them are leftist cunts who think everything is a social construct and confuse socially-imposed gender roles with actual gender because feminist writers like Judith Butler and other postmodernist scum have clouded their brains with nonsense. A lot of them actually hate men (and other groups, such as heterosexuals and whites, because lol intersectionality) and use legitimate issues (women's access to reproductive care, rampant sexism in non-Western countries, etc.) to justify their horrible opinions while not actually doing anything to fix those problems. Feminists historically played a big part in making Western society equal and not institutionally sexist like it was fifty years ago, but nowadays most of them are just making shit up (the wage gap, given that the difference in average lifetime wages is due to the fact that most women take leave from work for a decent length of time to give birth to and care for children, which is a choice that they make), blowing things out of proportion (see manspreading), or ignoring real issues (sexism and general bigotry in the Islamic world and among Western Muslims) because they want to retain power and keep their hatred justified. The older ones are assholes, and a lot of the younger ones are assholes too. Unlike the MRAs, there is a significant portion of the younger feminist population that are decent people who are just brainwashed.

Asexual Logistics/Weapons Conveyance Platform, Masculine programming.

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?

Slowly being eroded away. The fact that there are guys who think that they need to fight for such means that they must have some sort of grievance.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?

They may have had a point to begin with, but much like the majority of religion, are no longer needed, yet they remain. This unit used to believe that Feminism was about the right for a woman to choose if they wanted to stay at home, but it seems that this unit was misinformed.

If women want equality, then they should be prepared for the consequences of that desire.

>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Gay, male, man.
>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
Eh.
>What's your opinion on Feminism?
Meh.

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Bisexual Male

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
A necessary movement with a legitimate cause that has been unfairly defamed by the feminist movement and mainstream media.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?
It was once needed and still has a few legitimate grievances but has become very corrupt and dogmatic now that they are in power, silencing anyone or anything that goes against their belief that women are oppressed and men are privileged oppressors.

straight tranny
>mras
/r9k/ + /pol/ + reddit hugboxxy suburban victim complex trainwreck
>feminism
borderline meaningless with all the sectarianism, you've got good stuff like xenofeminism and lame stuff like radfems and terfs

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Asexual MtF
>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
Good idea but MRAs are reactionary cancer. There needs to be a movement that aims to actually help men's well being.
>What's your opinion on Feminism?
I think it's generally good but I'm often turned off by TERF garbage and I find liberal feminism rather limited in it's analysis.

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Mtf, questioning orientation

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
they have good points at its core but their movement's been hijacked by shitty self-centered people

>What's your opinion on Feminism?
they have good points at its core but their movement's been hijacked by shitty self-centered people

>>8616854
>>8617110
why does everyone on here have such a problem with radfems?

>>8617157
maybe because they do anything they can to insult and ultimately eradicate trans people? just a thought

>>8617127
>but their movement's been hijacked by shitty self-centered people
???

>they have good points at its core
???

>>8617157
Why do you not?

>>8615393
>Cisgay
>Men's rights: Lacking vs females but played up as if they have it all
>Women's rights: Abundant vs males but played up as if they have nothing

>>8617213
I know the words but I can't tell what this says.

>>8617157
I only have a problem with TERFy types, I acknowledge that you can get radfems who are ok with transgenders.
I still don't wholly agree with their conclusions though.

>>8615393

cis lesbian

both feminism and mens rights in theory have good points and should work together but in practice it's just a shitshow where all they do is hate each other and argue over meme issues like what characters die in a movie rather than try to change actual problems ruining peoples lives in reality

>>8617686
What are the good points of each?

Why do they fail at working together?

mtf bisexual

i support mens rights and feminism to the extent of women and men should be socially and legally seen as equals. beyond that, it just gets into stupidity.

>>8617701
So which parts of each do you support to that end?

>>8615393
Bisexual male gender fluid.

There's not really anything I find different, like op. They are both stupid and irrelevant causes to an otherwise semi decent world. Now, to be fair, I do believe women should have a say in what they want, just not go to the extremes that third wave feminist kikes do. And men should continue to have their say as well, without it spiraling into a masculine, testosterone induced hellnado. There's more but I'm too tired to rant about this right now.

In other words, y'all motherfuckers need to chill out. Seriously. Do the world a favor.

>>8615393
orientation:impotent infertile agp
sex:mtf
gender:boymode

my opinion is that they should all burn in hell because I sure already am, a hellish life of gender dysphoria as mtf tranny

>>8615393
Bisexual MtF girl

MRA's are cancer and need to sit down and shut their autistic crybaby mouths.

I hope 3rd and future 4th wave feminists destroy the last vestiges of toxic bro masculinity. Death to testosterone and the patriarchy!

Gay cis woman.

Men's rights has a serious point. Laws are stupid tilted to favor women. I hope they're the guys who can change it.

Modern feminists are brainwashed idiots who want to destroy all fun on the planet.

>>8615393
Gay
They have good points about divorce but the fedora and those whiny voices kill it
They have good points about the limitations inherent in gender roles but the hair and obesity kill it

>>8615393
Bisexual Cis Male.

>MRA
Have a few good points in regards to the Judicial System's bias towards women but other than that, most of it's oversensitive or parodying garbage. Hardly deserves a second glance.

>Feminism
A neo-marxist female supremacy movement that hides under guise of an equality movement that attempts claim to fight for the fringes, minorities of every shape and size using pseudoscience on the level of eugenics to justify their ridiculous claims and the threat of both violence and interference of people's livelihood (intimidation) to push their agenda. Disgusting.

>>8618094
>neo-marxist

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Bisexual, Male, Female
>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
Just be an egalitarian.
>What's your opinion on Feminism?
See above.

>orientation
Demisexual panromantic bigamy

>sex
TRIGGERED

>gender
polygender

>opinion on men's rights

A meme.

>opinion of feminism

Hypocritical.

Confused biological male

I'm good with feminism, but I disagree with some of their points (the gender wage gap is partially because of voluntary career choice, although it is a problem in some cases)

Men's rights seems more like a reaction movement against feminism, but I won't deny that they don't have valid points either

idk man, I'm not big into identity politics, elections are more my thing

>>8617157

>Queries hatred of Transgender Exclusionary Radical Feminists
> Does so on a board 90% populated by transgender people

The logic seems clear.

>>8617169
nice meme but i'm trans and a radfem

>>8615393
Can someone please explain this to me?

Why is it called "third wave feminism"?

What are the first and second waves?

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
bi, male, ditto
>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
mostly whiny bitches, but unlike feminists, there are actual concerns to be had with the rights of men
>What's your opinion on Feminism?
whiny bitches complaining about things they don't understand

>>8620865
First wave = we want the vote but not conscription

Second wave = political lesbianism and lesbian separatism

Third wave = we want quotas

>What's your orientation, sex and gender?

Bisexual FtM

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?

Depends. I'm actively involved in trying to push for some things, particularly visibility of male-victim-female-perpetrator abuse.

But you also get the white supremacist types, and the whining about everything being a male issue types even when it's not.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?

Depends. You get the reasonable and the unreasonable, just like with the MRAs.

However, I find that the more actively involved a feminist is in feminism, the more likely they are to be unreasonable. The kind of 'leaders' of feminism tend to be... Dodgy. And let's not even get started on radical feminists.

Both MRAs and feminism absolutely fail on talking to each other. They should be natural allies, but they are bitter enemies.

>>8615393
MTF/pans

MRA: The gamut here varies widely. Some are tubo fedora narcissistic sadist edge-lords that are pretty much only mra for the purpose of stroking their own ego. Others are cancerous regressionist reactionary Christ Cucks who've read the old testament a little too man times. I was going to quote some passages but I'm out of characters.

They'd rather regress to a patriarchal medieval time that replaces modern medicine with witch hunts and prayers than accept the existence of women's rights. Sometimes MRAs come in milder varieties, mra-light as I've taken to calling it, and these are your typical grab them by the pussy turncoat neo-conservatives.

Feminism: Feminist wamin used to have some fair points about social justice, which can be applied to libertarian-left socialism whilst maintaining as much individual liberties as possible. Literally all you have to do is help poor disadvantaged ppl and tax rich ppl.

Radical authoritarian nu-"feminists" are ruining everything though. It's being used as a way to introduce cultural marxism while ousting those who don't tow the line as anti-feminist. Look at people like Megan Murphy, she's a self-admitted marxist who's parents were communist, and she's been heard at Canadian government hearings. Total communistic authoritarian control is the end game for these people. The Anitas and Megans of the world don't give two flying shits about your rights or individual liberties, they're only interested in obtaining as much money, influence, and power as possible to assert their agenda through force. Stalin is no replacement for Hitler.
Meanwhile, I'm here in the middle wanting to smoke weed, own guns, and marry whoever I want.
ps being pro-gun is good for feminism because it's a force multiplying deterrent and a means for women to protect themselves from violent alpha ghetto criminals who think their shit doesnt stink. when somebody has a green laser pointed at them they generally tend to rape less

cis les
>feminism
has too many fingers in too many pies (BLM). has a few outspoken people that have extremely distasteful conduct, generally outraged over nothing.
>MRA
more justified, but only really concerning custody cases and nothing else. can be rather stupid.

both don't know when to stop badgering the other.

>>8621718
what about circumcision, that's a legit issue too

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>>8620885
First Wave = be women, be in the kitchen

2nd wave = be feminine, be in the workplace

3rd wave = be "men", be special class

>>8621733
it is, but not many outside of religious practice do it.
when it's mainly religious people doing it, it is more a question of freedom of religion rather than men's rights.

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>>8615393
heterosexual/romantic, male and genderfluid

Men's Rights: they don't get it

Feminism: fakers want men on leashes

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>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Cis, hard femme lesbian.

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
News flash, boys: feminism isn't the reason your lives are shit. You can thank other men for that. Instead of blaming women, how about taking the fight to the alpha males instead?

>What's your opinion on Feminism?
I have a lot to thank classical feminism for. Having said that, feminism has no place in the modern western world. When your battles are based on petty things like microaggressions and catcalling, and you're making this much of a fuss about it, you've reached the point where you're fighting to stay relevant. It's time to hang it up.

While I'm at it, allow me to mention as a footnote that these red haired, "I will kill my male children" types are going to undo every good thing the first generations of feminists accomplished. To the chambers with them.

>>8621758
>but not many outside of religious practice do it.
America.

>it is more a question of freedom of religion rather than men's rights.
FGM is more a question of freedom of religion rather than feminism.

>>8622893
>News flash, boys: feminism isn't the reason your lives are shit. You can thank other men for that. Instead of blaming women, how about taking the fight to the alpha males instead?
The only person defending ritual mutilation of males ITT is one of you lot >>8621758 you lying cunt.

>>8615393
Bi/Pan cisman

Men's rights might have some legitimate points in issues the way men are treated as expendable, but by defining themselves in opposition to feminism rather than as supplement to feminism, they discredit themselves.

Feminism is good and important, in the past and to this day.

>>8615393
Bi cis male. I don't really have strong feelings about either. I'm not a fan of people who are constantly outraged or look at everything through a singular lens. There are both feminists and men's rights activists who do this, but there are also people in both movements who raise money for charity and bring about positive change.

I just really fucking hate ideologues.

>>8624541
Please point me in the direction of this alleged defense. From what I can tell, that post is decrying it.

>>8615393
Orientation in question, call it heteroflexible for lack of anything else succinct. Male. Man.

>Men's Rights
There is some real concern and truth under the shit. The important thing to take away from it is that everybody has shit on their plate.

>MRAs
Some genuinely give a fuck and work to call attention to injustice across the board, and would be better served to that end by rallying under something else like egalitarianism. Regardless if most are, most appear to be autists and assholes fearing that men are losing their grip or superiority, and they don't know how else to deal. Or, reactionary jerks who are riding on the counter-wave to the recent push in "feminism".

>Feminism
There is progress to be made, and real concern buried under the mountain of shit. Unfortunately, the name and movement has been tainted and overrun by loudmouthed assholes who are mostly incapable of a calm, reasoned discussion.

>Feminists
Some genuinely give a fuck and work to call attention to injustice across the board, and would be better served to that end by rallying under something else like egalitarianism. Most appear to be loudmouthed assholes fixated on the patriarchy, and getting more protection for women and only women without exposure to the shitshow that is the public attitude about and treatment of working-class men.

American culture hasn't handled gender or sex in a non-toxic way, basically ever. I don't think it has as much to do with "patriarchy" more than it does that gender roles have been geared to primitive tribal shit for too long.

>>8625482
>>8621758
>it is more a question of freedom of religion rather than men's rights
This is what lesbians think about MGM.

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>>8615393
>Straight white male
> Friendly magapedes that should be given free hugs.
>Scary collectivasts that want cultural Marxism. *Avoid conversation at all costs.

>>8628301
>American culture is tribal (cont)

Gender constructs and roles have only recently begun to slip away from tribal behaviors, but are still heavily influenced by them. There was definitely some legally enforced patriarchal shit, even recently, that we're trying to get away from. I don't think that the root of our gender-role problem comes from that, though. Female business ownership and political participation (read, leadership) has been legally on equal footing for quite a while, and there are only a few holdouts of legislation that need to change. I think the problem is cultural, and I don't think the culture, with the exception of idiots who elect other idiots, has much to do with patriarchy.

Tribal structures are not necessarily patriarchal or matriarchal, but are rooted in the continuation of the tribe. Men are disposable, women are not. Men must be stronk for war and hunting, and women must give healthy babies. Women are busy with childrearing, men should hunt the food.

Imagine a tribe of people about 50-60 strong. They compete with another tribe and go to war. Two decades later, it's really easy for the tribe to bounce back from losing most of their males, assuming all their females can reproduce. It would _not_ be easy for a similar tribe to bounce back from losing most of their females, for obvious reasons. That's the kind of dynamic that breeds it. Despite having amazing agricultural capabilities such that competition for food should be a non-issue, and ridiculous abundance of population and resources, we're still stuck with this mindset. I can't point a finger at anything other than the "fuck you, I got mine" attitude that capitalism breeds, which feels lazy.

Somehow, men doing most of the physical work also translated into them doing most of the work and leadership, for a long fucking time. That was patriarchy. Now, men are still doing the bulk of the (dangerous) physical work, and women have about an equal share in non-dangerous fields. wtf

>>8628379
>There was definitely some legally enforced patriarchal shit, even recently,
?

>Tribal structures are not necessarily patriarchal or matriarchal, but are rooted in the continuation of the tribe.
The term is gynocentric.

gay man man

Depends on who you're talking about. There's a lot of problems with society right now and it's not restricted to one gender. For example, the bias towards women in the courts. Both criminal and civil law. Everyone should be treated equally under the law. There's some crazy reactionary MGTOW shit that's sort of hilarious though.

It depends, again. I'd probably be suspicious of anyone labeling themselves as a feminist, but I'd have a similar suspicion of the MRA to a lesser degree. Frankly I've not met a whole lot who weren't misinformed or an idpol zealot.

Last point. Fuck idpol. It helps no one, only creates division among people.

>>8628375
What an incredibly intelligent post. It's now obvious that the opposition is just made of smelly stupid poopy heads who support Trump. I really want to consider your point of view for sure now!

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Autism.
>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
No such a thing in laws.
>What's your opinion on Feminism?
More autism.

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>>8617720

>>8628379
This is pretty spot on imo. Humans are a lot more monkey than we like to think we are.

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>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Technically bi (women preferred) Transwoman.

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
Im sure there may be one or two dudes who have their heads on straight and makes some valid points but the majority of them are whiny fucks who are sad because you cant open hand slap a woman on the ass at work and not get in trouble. Uses the term "cuck" unironically and should be put down. Dudes do have problems in society today ( especially with expectations and pressure to conform to certain standards expected of "a real man") but these real problems are undercut by MRAs that bitch and moan about none issues and having to be a baseline descent human being.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?
Feminism itself isnt bad but the negative attitude about it from the 1950s and before has been perpetuated so much that its become part of the zeitgeist that feminists are terrible people that hate all men. This doesn't mean there arent any terrible feminists. There fucking are and not just TERFs. These people who dont understand any wave of feminism or dont even try to fight for the problems facing women in america (or whatever country you live in currently) today. No they just blame dudes for their problems, virtue signal for lib points, and nitpick for attention. These people are not the majority of feminists but are treated as such.
Its why whenever people start talking about feminism I either duck behind something and listen to see if they know anything or I just turn on the noise cancellation on my headphones.

>>8615393
>What's your orientation, sex and gender?
Gay male.

>What's your opinion on Men's Rights?
Cucks.

>What's your opinion on Feminism?
Cunts.