>Literally get off to "AGP"-like fantasies, clothes

>>8613201
What fantasies?

Is it really unbelievable that some people would try to live theirs?

>>8613323
>What fantasies?
Generic feminization-themed S&M

>Is it really unbelievable that some people would try to live theirs?
I'm aroused by them but I wouldn't ever ever want them to come true. Most of them are more like nightmares. I don't even want to have them since they feel invalidating and gross and sexist. I really don't feel like they're the source of my identity.

>>8613353
>I wouldn't ever ever want them to come true. Most of them are more like nightmares.
What about coming partially true, like having a relationship where you roleplay those things a lot with a partner?

>they feel invalidating and gross and sexist.
Who cares?

>>8613368
True points.

Also it's not that uncommon. If that matters.

>>8613368
>What about coming partially true, like having a relationship where you roleplay those things a lot with a partner?
What you do in bed is up to you but that's different from how you live out your life.

>Who cares?
I do? This makes me feel awful.

>>8613382
>This makes me feel awful.

Why?

You just said "What you do in bed is up to you"

Do you not believe this applies to yourself?

>>8613382
All sorts of people dress and act in ways that make them feel sexy.

>>8613395
They fill me with self-doubt. No matter what I think getting off to stuff like this always makes me feel like a deranged fraud. I'm sometimes disgusted or even horrified by the things I find arousing. Seeing people like this just made everything worse. Now I'm afraid I'm like them and am deluding myself.

>>8613441
>They fill me with self-doubt

I could argue that it shouldn't, if it was just a harmless bedroom fetish. Actual emotional strain from what you get off to is not common, and not a good sign because it demonstrates you're overvaluing these ideas and ruminating over them excessively.

>I'm sometimes disgusted or even horrified by the things I find arousing

Describe a potential trigger for these feelings of disgust?

>Seeing people like this just made everything worse

Your life is in your hands.

>>8613441
Maybe there isn't a difference between being trans and being someone who wants to be a woman erotically.

>>8613457
>I could argue that it shouldn't, if it was just a harmless bedroom fetish.
Thanks..

>Describe a potential trigger for these feelings of disgust?
Becoming a woman and being brainwashed into stereotypical, vapid femininity as part of the price of the procedure.
Getting kidnapped and surgically transformed into a bimbo.
Undergoing some futuristic procedure that gives me a new body but leaves me slightly brain damaged due to an accident, forcing me to rely on a man.
Having someone pay for a similar procedure in return for me being their stepford wife.

I realize none of these sound that bad but it was still hard for me to write this down. It took a lot of time and effort. My heart felt heavy at the beginning.

>>8613462
Then I'd rather repress or not be at all.

>>8613549
>Then I'd rather repress or not be at all.
Why?

>>8613567
If that was truly what I am then I'd rather keep my dignity and suffer rather than become a grotesque sex-fueled shadow of a person who constantly imposes themselves on others.

>>8613796
But transition is becoming exactly the same thing whether it's sex-fueled or not.

>>8614083
Motivation matters. If, hypothetically, it turned out that people only transition so that they can constantly live out their sexual fantasies then I see no reason why people ought accept that.

>>8615505
Why not OP?

What motivations are acceptable?

>>8615610
>Why not OP?
How'd you feel if you found out someone's entire behavior was part of their fetish and they involved you in it without your knowledge and consent? Especially if they presented it as innocuous beforehand.

>What motivations are acceptable?
Wanting to be who you feel you are. To feel comfortable in your own body. To be authentic.

>>8615649
That happens all the time and nobody cares. Guys ogle hot chicks and buy them drinks because they're attracted to them, girls dress sexy and show skin because the male attention turns them on, etc.

What gives anyone the right to police other peoples sexuality?

>Wanting to be who you feel you are. To feel comfortable in your own body. To be authentic.
Those are all vague af and perfectly compatible with sexual motivations too.

>>8615685
>That happens all the time and nobody cares.
The situations aren't at all comparable. It would be more like someone faking being mentally and physically handicapped because it gets them off.

>Those are all vague af
I don't think Gender Dysphoria is vague.

>and perfectly compatible with sexual motivations too.
If someone is both dysphoric and afflicted with this fetish, okay, transition to treat dysphoria but don't dress and act like a pornographic character outside of the bedroom or another similar environment.

>>8613201
Thats mental illness for you OP.

>>8615728
Why didn't you answer my question?

>It would be more like someone faking being mentally and physically handicapped because it gets them off.
Apart from being extremely misogynistic and degrading to women and the disabled, how exactly is that at all comparable?

>I don't think Gender Dysphoria is vague.
Imagine our hypothetical mtf who transitions because it's arousing for her. How is her transition not to be who she feels she is, not to be comfortable in her body and inauthentic?

>If someone is both dysphoric and afflicted with this fetish
There is no "both." It's the same thing.

Don't use pathologizing language like "afflicted."

>but don't dress and act like a pornographic character outside of the bedroom or another similar environment.
Why do you think it's acceptable to police trans women's dress in ways you would never police cis women unless you were an extreme mysogynist such as rape apologists?

>>8615811
>Why didn't you answer my question?
Sorry, I thought it was rhetorical.

>What gives anyone the right to police other peoples sexuality?
Said other people involving others in it without their consent while pretending otherwise.

>Apart from being extremely misogynistic and degrading to women and the disabled, how exactly is that at all comparable?
In what way is this degrading or misogynistic? Genuinely being something is very different from playacting being something because you get off to it. Someone publicly playacting their idea of a handicapped person because it arouses them is messed up in a similar fashion to someone publicly playacting a sexist stereotype of a woman because it arouses them.

>Imagine our hypothetical mtf who transitions because it's arousing for her. How is her transition not to be who she feels she is, not to be comfortable in her body and inauthentic?
I don't even know where to start. You seem to think gender dysphoria is the same as wanting nipple piercings. Someone dysphoric transitions to align their identity, their sense of self, with their body. Transitioning because it arouses you is entirely different.

>There is no "both." It's the same thing.
I strongly disagree.

>Don't use pathologizing language like "afflicted."
This fetish certainly makes me ill and a lot of other people like me feel the same.

>Why do you think it's acceptable to police trans women's dress in ways you would never police cis women unless you were an extreme mysogynist such as rape apologists?
I'm not policing the way transwomen dress. I'm policing the way fetishists dress. A fetishist may be trans or cis but they shouldn't involve others in their fetish without their consent. They shouldn't engage in their fetish in public.

>>8613201
you can transition for fetish or not and it literally doesn't matter.

>>8615882
>Said other people involving others in it without their consent while pretending otherwise.
Everybody does this. I already told you this and you've got no argument otherwise.

>Genuinely being something is very different from playacting being something because you get off to it.
Trans women aren't "genuinely" women whatever the reason they transition.

>is messed up in a similar fashion to someone publicly playacting a sexist stereotype of a woman because it arouses them.
Wearing sexual clothes isn't a sexist stereotype. It's both misogynistic to say a woman expressing her sexuality that way is sexist and it's transphobic to only apply that to trans women.

Stop repeating "it is" and say why it is comparabe if you actually have a reason for your degrading comparison.

>You seem to think gender dysphoria is the same as wanting nipple piercings.
Where did I say anything like that?

>Someone dysphoric transitions to align their identity, their sense of self, with their body. Transitioning because it arouses you is entirely different.
There is no difference when the hypothetical trans woman feels both together.

>I strongly disagree.
You're wrong.

>This fetish certainly makes me ill and a lot of other people like me feel the same.
Gay people in homophobic societies felt the same self-hate. Women in misogynistic societies do. Is being gay or female an affliction to you?

>I'm not policing the way transwomen dress. I'm policing the way fetishists dress.
Who are you, as a self-admitted fetishes and not a trans woman, to tell actual trans women they are fetishists?

>but they shouldn't involve others in their fetish without their consent. They shouldn't engage in their fetish in public.
We've been over this. You are demanding trans women suppress their sexualities, no different from a rape apologist telling a cis woman she deserved to be raped for dressing in a sexual manner.

Your views are a danger to actual trans and cis women.

>>8615974
>Everybody does this. I already told you this and you've got no argument otherwise.
I already explained why there's a difference.

>Trans women aren't "genuinely" women whatever the reason they transition.
You should've opened with this so we could skip having this discussion. Neat how you're the one calling me a bigot.

>Wearing sexual clothes isn't a sexist stereotype. It's both misogynistic to say a woman expressing her sexuality that way is sexist and it's transphobic to only apply that to trans women.
There's an enormous difference between dressing sexy and playacting a stereotype because it arouses you.

>Stop repeating "it is" and say why it is comparabe if you actually have a reason for your degrading comparison.
I don't understand in what way it isn't. In both cases someone appropriates another's identity because it arouses them, playacts a stereotype of that identity and drags unrelated bystanders into their public perversion.

>Where did I say anything like that?
You keep insisting gender dysphoria is the same as wanting to do something because it makes you horny.

>There is no difference when the hypothetical trans woman feels both together.
The two are distinct from one another, even if she feels them both.

>You're wrong.
Right back at you.

>Gay people in homophobic societies felt the same self-hate. Women in misogynistic societies do. Is being gay or female an affliction to you?
Neither is discordant with one's identity.

>Who are you, as a self-admitted fetishes and not a trans woman, to tell actual trans women they are fetishists?
That's rich. You just said that you don't think transwomen are women and that they all just want to live out their fetish. Now you assert that one can't be born trans.

>We've been over this. You are demanding trans women suppress their sexualities, no different from a rape apologist telling a cis woman she deserved to be raped for dressing in a sexual manner.
Saying this again won't make it true.

>>8615974
>Your views are a danger to actual trans and cis women.
Right back at you. You think transwomen aren't women, that they're all motivated by sex, that one can't be born trans, that a fetish causes gender dysphoria and that it is okay to involve others in living out your fetishes without telling them.

>replying to every line in a post individually

You both make me want to blow up an airliner.

>>8616137
Sorry. My excuse is that I'm sadposting.

>>8616007
>I already explained why there's a difference.
You've made no explanation that isn't "because I say so."

>You should've opened with this so we could skip having this discussion. Neat how you're the one calling me a bigot.
There's nothing bigoted about noting the fact that trans women aren't cis.

>You just said that you don't think transwomen are women and that they all just want to live out their fetish. Now you assert that one can't be born trans.
Three lies. I didn't ay any of those things.

>>8616018
Stop being such a dishonest misogynistic transphobe. You need to realize how dangerous your views are and how much of a threat it is for all women and especially trans women that you have such a pathologizing and rape apologistic mindset.

>>8616222
>You've made no explanation that isn't "because I say so."
I repeated myself in that very post. Do you think that the overwhelming majority of people constantly present an artificial persona in public to live out their sexual fetish, hiding their arousal? That they're secretly aroused by what they wear, say and do?

>There's nothing bigoted about noting the fact that trans women aren't cis.
Not being cis doesn't mean transwomen aren't genuinely women.

>Three lies. I didn't say any of those things.
You said that transwomen aren't "genuinely" women here:
>>8615974

You said being trans is erotically motivated here:
>>8613462
>>8615811

and you've implied that I'm not trans because I haven't transitioned here:
>>8615974

>Stop being such a dishonest misogynistic transphobe. You need to realize how dangerous your views are and how much of a threat it is for all women and especially trans women that you have such a pathologizing and rape apologistic mindset.
Go fuck yourself. This is classic abuser doctrine, charging the person you're hurting with being guilty of your own crimes. I'm the one who repeatedly emphasized consent. You're the one who thinks transwomen aren't even women. That there is no different between having this fetish and being trans. That people transition to fulfill it.

>>8616263
>I repeated myself in that very post.
Repeating the same nonsense that I point out doesn't explain it doesn't suddenly start explaining it. I pointed out at several points that your view came down to because I say so and you ignored me and repeated that you say so.

>Not being cis doesn't mean transwomen aren't genuinely women.
I didn't say that. Stop lying.

>You said that transwomen aren't "genuinely" women here:
Notice the quotes and what I was replying to? I was obviously addressing your own view that trans women aren't genuinely women. But you ignored that and instead attacked me for using your own language.

Why would you ignore that I was directly replying to and quoting you? Perhaps because you had no excuse for your own transphobic statement I was addressing.

>You said being trans is erotically motivated here:
No I didn't. You are deliberately misreading those posts to be uncharitable, probably because you have no answer to my defense of trans women's sexuality.

>and you've implied that I'm not trans because I haven't transitioned here:
No I didn't and in case you forgot your own OP described your "AGP" sexuality. Like many "AGP"s your own sexualized view of women and transition is obvious but you still demonize other trans women.

Like the very worst of your kind you don't only pretend your fetishizing is somehow different to the trans women you look down on who simply express their sexuality in similar ways to cis women, but you also pretend your own views aren't dangerous to women, cis and trans.

In your case, your misogynist, transphobic and rape apologist views.

That's not acceptable. Normal, healthy people, cis or trans, men and women, whatever sexuality or fantasies, know it isn't.

>>8616263
>This is classic abuser doctrine, charging the person you're hurting with being guilty of your own crimes.
I'm not hurting you.

I'm pointing out your own views that you express. If you don't like that then you need to examine your own dangerous mentality, not accuse others of being to blame for you noticing your bigotry.

Your "consent" is an excuse to police women's sexualities, dress, etc. I don't know how you can be blind to that.

>You're the one who thinks transwomen aren't even women. That there is no different between having this fetish and being trans.
You're contradicting yourself. How can I think trans women aren't women while also thinking their motivation for transition doesn't stop them being women?

You are the one who is saying trans women aren't women and this whole thread has been me arguing in their defense.

I defend trans women, you accused me of not recognizing them as women.

I defend women's right to express their sexuality against your sexual policing, you claim your emphasis is consent.

I point out your abusive mindset, you accuse me of "hurting" you.

I explain how your views harm women, you charge me with hurting others.

Take a look in a mirror for once. I don't think you'll like what is staring back at you once you see it clearly.

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>>8616299
>Repeating the same nonsense that I point out doesn't explain it doesn't suddenly start explaining it. I pointed out at several points that your view came down to because I say so and you ignored me and repeated that you say so.
I expounded, again, immediately afterward. Way to dodge the question.

>I didn't say that. Stop lying.
Haha oh wow.

>Notice the quotes and what I was replying to? I was obviously addressing your own view that trans women aren't genuinely women.
But, as I've stated repeatedly, my point of view is that transwomen ARE women and that there is a big, massive fucking difference between having a fetish and being a woman.

>But you ignored that and instead attacked me for using your own language.
My own language? I said having a fetish doesn't make you a woman. You started arguing otherwise.

>Why would you ignore that I was directly replying to and quoting you? Perhaps because you had no excuse for your own transphobic statement I was addressing.
Saying having a fetish doesn't make you a woman isn't transphobic.

>No I didn't. You are deliberately misreading those posts to be uncharitable, probably because you have no answer to my defense of trans women's sexuality.
You literally wrote that there is no difference!
>If someone is both dysphoric and afflicted with this fetish
>There is no "both." It's the same thing.

>No I didn't and in case you forgot your own OP described your "AGP" sexuality. Like many "AGP"s your own sexualized view of women and transition is obvious but you still demonize other trans women.
You wrote "actual transwomen", i.e. I don't qualify.

>Like the very worst of your kind you don't only pretend your fetishizing is somehow different to the trans women you look down on who simply express their sexuality in similar ways to cis women, but you also pretend your own views aren't dangerous to women, cis and trans.
My fetishizing isn't different. I just don't impose it on others in public.

>>8616337
>My own language? I said having a fetish doesn't make you a woman.
>You wrote "actual transwomen", i.e. I don't qualify.
>My fetishizing isn't different.
Think about what you are saying for one minute!

>Haha oh wow.
This is seriously your defense of your lies and contradictions? Like accusing me of saying you aren't trans, ignoring the fact that you said it yourself, because you weren't transitioning, which I never mentioned and know nothing about?

>Saying having a fetish doesn't make you a woman isn't transphobic.
You are the transphobe here. All I have said is that your own criteria for being "genuinely" a woman do apply to the hypothetical people you are misgendering.

But you are so determined to deny them their identity that you ignore that, and ignore the fact that you are accusing me of not recognizing them and of not recognizing you when you have said exactly that yourself.

>>8616299
>Like the very worst of your kind you don't only pretend your fetishizing is somehow different to the trans women you look down on who simply express their sexuality in similar ways to cis women, but you also pretend your own views aren't dangerous to women, cis and trans.
*My* views are dangerous? You've equated being trans with erotically wanting to be a woman. I've argued the two are unrelated. That one can have a cross-sex gender identity independently of wanting to act out their sexual fantasies in public. That it is wrong to secretly enact your fetish in public and that most people certainly don't do this. You've cast transwomen as stealthy predators, not people who just want to quell their dysphoria.

>In your case, your misogynist, transphobic and rape apologist views.
I'd argue it is misogynistic and transphobic to claim what you do. I don't have any idea where you got rape apologist from given how I've emphasized consent again and again.

>That's not acceptable. Normal, healthy people, cis or trans, men and women, whatever sexuality or fantasies, know it isn't.
If you show this thread to the rest of the people on this board, or even to normal people in general, I have a fair guess who they'd side with.

>I'm not hurting you.
You started tossing insults my way - some completely unrelated to what I wrote - after I disagreed with your views.

>I'm pointing out your own views that you express. If you don't like that then you need to examine your own dangerous mentality, not accuse others of being to blame for you noticing your bigotry.
I'm honestly flabbergasted at this point. *I'm* the bigot for thinking transwomen aren't driven by sexual desire?

>Your "consent" is an excuse to police women's sexualities, dress, etc. I don't know how you can be blind to that.
If you're trans you should do what helps you feel comfortable within the same limits that apply to cis people. If you just have a fetish it is not okay to enact it without consent.

>>8616316
>You're contradicting yourself. How can I think trans women aren't women while also thinking their motivation for transition doesn't stop them being women?
You said they're not "genuine" women earlier, and that you think there's no difference between being trans and having a fetish.

>You are the one who is saying trans women aren't women and this whole thread has been me arguing in their defense.
No! I said that being trans and having a fetish are different things. Someone trans can have a fetish but they have the fetish in addition to being trans. Transwomen are women, and being a woman has nothing to do with having a fetish. You don't make this distinction.

>I defend trans women, you accused me of not recognizing them as women.
Maybe that had something to do with you saying that they're not genuinely women.

>I defend women's right to express their sexuality against your sexual policing, you claim your emphasis is consent.
I don't defend the rights of non-trans fetishists to play out their fetish in public. If you're trans (which is DISTINCT) that's different in the sense that there are certain things you have to do to feel at peace with yourself so doing them is obviously okay.

>I point out your abusive mindset, you accuse me of "hurting" you.
My mindset is only "abusive" toward non-trans fetishists, or those that go beyond what they need to do to not be dysphoric.

>I explain how your views harm women, you charge me with hurting others.
You still haven't explained how my view harms women, by the way. Women aren't exempt from being decent.

>Take a look in a mirror for once. I don't think you'll like what is staring back at you once you see it clearly.
I'd tell you to do the same but I get the hunch you don't care about the impact of your actions.

>>8616357
>Think about what you are saying for one minute!
Did you miss the part where I've been arguing, throughout the thread, that gender dysphoria/being trans is distinct from having this fetish? Having the fetish doesn't make you trans, but it doesn't make you not trans either.

>This is seriously your defense of your lies and contradictions?
Lies and contradictions are your department, as I showed with direct quotes.

>Like accusing me of saying you aren't trans, ignoring the fact that you said it yourself.
Here we go again. I said I'm dysphoric in the OP. If people are born trans transitioning or not transitioning doesn't change their inner nature.

>because you weren't transitioning, which I never mentioned and know nothing about?
It was implied and you you said I don't qualify, but okay. Fair.

>You are the transphobe here. All I have said is that your own criteria for being "genuinely" a woman do apply to the hypothetical people you are misgendering.
Saying they aren't genuinely women is sure a strange way to go about saying they're genuinely women.
I don't think having a fetish makes you not trans. It just doesn't make you trans either.

>But you are so determined to deny them their identity that you ignore that, and ignore the fact that you are accusing me of not recognizing them and of not recognizing you when you have said exactly that yourself.
I have no words left. I argued against your conception of gender dysphoria being the same thing as a fetish.

>>8616362
>You started tossing insults my way - some completely unrelated to what I wrote - after I disagreed with your views.
Everything I have said about your views is a description of those views. None of it is random insults or attacks, like your "Go fuck yourself." "Haha oh wow." and hypocritically accusing me of having an abuser's mentality.

>>8616377
>You said they're not "genuine" women earlier
End your lies. I have already repeatedly corrected you on this. The only person claiming trans women aren't genuine is you, but you're apparently managing to deny this with the circular logic that any trans woman you say isn't genuine isn't a genuine trans woman so you aren't saying a trans woman isn't genuine.

Except when it comes to yourself of course, who apparently are a fetishist when it suits you but simultaneously trans just like you say only non-fetishists can be.

>My mindset is only "abusive" toward non-trans fetishists, or those that go beyond what they need to do to not be dysphoric.
This is exactly the attitude of the gatekeepers and conversion therapists of the past and before them them attempts to "correct" homosexuality and effeminacy in men which destroyed so many lives.

I don't know if you have some sort of God complex for controlling women or a resentment towards trans people, perhaps for not living their lives as your victims, but you have no right to demand control of people and their sexualities this way.

You're like the abusive husband whose battered wife can't do anything right because you've already predetermined that she's in the wrong.

>You still haven't explained how my view harms women, by the way.
How much explaining is it going to take to convince you that comparing being female to being disabled or mentally handicapped or that policing women's sexualities as a rape apologist, like you did in this very post when you said women shouldn't dress sexually or express their sexuality beyond what they "need" is harmful?

>>8616430
>Everything I have said about your views is a description of those views. None of it is random insults or attacks.
Yeah, you just called me a dangerous transphobic sexist rape apologist for not agreeing with Blanchard's taxonomy.

>End your lies.
You first!

>The only person claiming trans women aren't genuine is you, but you're apparently managing to deny this with the circular logic that any trans woman you say isn't genuine isn't a genuine trans woman so you aren't saying a trans woman isn't genuine.
>Except when it comes to yourself of course, who apparently are a fetishist when it suits you but simultaneously trans just like you say only non-fetishists can be.
I said just having a fetish doesn't make you trans, not that having a fetish means you can't be trans. You can be trans with or without the fetish. You can have the fetish with or without being trans.

>Accusations
This is just bizarre. I support the right of transwomen to live as women. Is saying that arousal isn't their motivation abusive? Is saying that there's a difference between just living as a woman and infusing your presentation with a more direct manifestation of your fetish abusive?

>>8616430
>How much explaining is it going to take to convince you that comparing being female to being disabled or mentally handicapped or that policing women's sexualities as a rape apologist, like you did in this very post when you said women shouldn't dress sexually or express their sexuality beyond what they "need" is harmful?
Being female is only like being disabled or handicapped in the sense that it is an identity one can appropriate. Being male, or a cop, or a furry, is also like being disabled or handicapped in that sense. What I've been saying is that it isn't okay for a person, trans or cis, to engage in fetishistic behavior in public without letting anyone know just because they want to live out their fetish. Since a lot of transwomen have some form of autogynephilia, at least early into their transition, I understand that just living out their authentic lives as women can sometimes cause arousal. That is okay since it can't be avoided. Purposefully going beyond that in search of sexual titillation isn't. Dressing sexually or expressing sexuality isn't the same as engaging in direct fetishism e.g. wearing a fursuit.

>>8616377
>I'd tell you to do the same but I get the hunch you don't care about the impact of your actions.
Now this is pure insult said out of nothing but spite.

>>8616484
>for not agreeing with Blanchard's taxonomy.
You're saying trans people are fetishists and not really trans, and I'm the one demanding agreement with Blanchard's typology?

>You first!
I have no said a single lie in this whole thread. I've pointed out yours repeatedly and in fact they are too frequent to to even point out. Your last sentence for example, when all of the things I truthfully called you were for what you said being dangerous, transphobic, rape apologetic, etc.

You can't just grab every word and lie about why I described you that way. This is evidently how you ignore everything that presents your bigotry in a bad light. You switch the context in your head and then pretend your imagined conversation is what actually happened, even though all your views are in writing in this thread.

>I support the right of transwomen to live as women.
You've already shown your attitude is anything but letting trans women live in peace.
>My mindset is only "abusive" toward non-trans fetishists, or those that go beyond what they need to do to not be dysphoric.
You simply pretend your abuse doesn't count.

You are no different to the abusive husband saying she deserved it or the man saying she had it coming dressed like that. Neither of them see anything wrong in their actions either, because of their convenient exceptions, just like yours.

But you still apparently don't see how you're a danger to women, trans people and all vulnerable people.

>>8616503
Honestly, yes. I'm rather angry at you for accusing me of all of these awful things.

I'll say one thing though (which you will no doubt use as evidence that I'm a rape apologist and holocaust denier): what I wrote in the OP isn't okay. I still think these women are creepers but it is not fair or right of me to assume that they're illegitimate because of that. There are a lot of cis creepers too. Maybe they're transwomen who took their fetish too far. I just got severely freaked out by seeing them because they're so similar to what so many people accuse me and people like me of being (cis creepers transitioning for erotic reasons). Potentially misgendering them, even by implication, isn't fair. For that I'll apologize.

>>8616527
>You're saying trans people are fetishists and not really trans
No, I'm saying you can be trans, a fetishist, both or neither.

>I have no said a single lie in this whole thread.
I directly demonstrated otherwise.

>I've pointed out yours repeatedly and in fact they are too frequent to to even point out.
>You can't just grab every word and lie about why I described you that way. This is evidently how you ignore everything that presents your bigotry in a bad light. You switch the context in your head and then pretend your imagined conversation is what actually happened, even though all your views are in writing in this thread.
Again with the reversal. Seriously, are you a compulsive liar?

>You've already shown your attitude is anything but letting trans women live in peace.
Yeah letting transwomen live in peace means convincing everyone that the only reason they want to transition is sex while insisting that non-trans people who do actually transition for sex are transwomen :^)

>You simply pretend your abuse doesn't count.
It'd help if you made a single counterargument here.

I'm sorry, I can't continue this. I know this is 4chan but this is honestly the most disturbing thread I have ever seen on /lgbt/.

I can tell you aren't trolling and it pains me that I can't keep trying to somehow show you what you're saying but I don't think I'm capable of it.

I obviously haven't changed your mind about a single thing and I hope what I've said might eventually sink in and do some good for you and the people might some into contact with, but I doubt it. All I can say is please if you have any care for others keep away from vulnerable people and especially trans women and don't share your opinions with people who might be badly affected by them.

I get that you probably hate me for what I'd pointed out but please do this and please think about what the things you think really mean. Whatever you feel towards me, there are people never did anything to deserve the kinds of things you said. Please don't hurt them. Thank you.

>>8616664
I feel the same about you.
You push a theory that has ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of transsexuals worldwide over decades.
I've convinced quite a few people to transition instead of repressing and will continue doing so. I've convinced quite a few people that having a fetish is unrelated to being trans and will continue doing so. Thankfully, as seen in the shift in the way trans people are treated by doctors, my side is winning.

>>8616707
Blanchardfag pretends to be the voice of le sanity but in reality his constant obsessive tendencies betray how much emotional investment he has in this topic.

>>8616560
Maybe it's better not to assume things of people you've never fucking met, autist-lord.

Do you people seriously need a grade school level ethics education? Because clearly, too much time on 4chan has turned your brains to that of the kindergarten.

>>8616844
Thank you, sincerely. To be fair I went too far in the OP too.

>>8616849
>Maybe it's better not to assume things of people you've never fucking met, autist-lord.
You're right. I wasn't in a good place when I reacted as I did, and that was before that fucker started shitting on me for not worshiping Blanchard. I'm sorry (though not for anything I've said to that bastard).

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>>8613201

>tfw my fantasies are primarily me as an icy blonde lesbian dominatrix

I am a blonde germanic feminine mtf, I am closeted and agp as fuck....half of the reason i am closeted is that I hate the lgbt flaming homo/camp culture that permeates our section of society.

Pic related......how I wish I was.

>>8616887
I can relate. That's a good look.

>Feminine
>Not transitioning
Get on it.

>>8616903
d/a i'm scared of becoming a hon

>>8617683
Most people are, right? Can't let that stop you. Especially if you're already feminine so you stand a good chance of passing.

>>8617683

Stop larping as me....

>>8617742

I am kinda scared of being a hon but really a full social transition would mean I would lose my family and inheritance, my career would probably take a dive too. I am getting my beard lasered off and starting finasteride and dutasteride though, kind of like the femboy eccentric rich weirdo thing.

>>8619507
Family, career and money are important, but if you don't feel alright none of them will make you happy.

>>8616707
Gatekeeping that only let "true-trans" "trans-kids" or those determined enough to lie and go thru this hell like 2yr wait and 1yr RLE *before* HRT exists not because of Blanchard

>>8619854
It predated him, that much is true. He just gave it a shiny new veneer and tried to perpetuate it. His theories are next-level gatekeeping: they keep people from transitioning before they ever see a doctor by convincing them that they're just mentally ill men.

>>8619868
Hence as his followers try desperately to keep people on here from transitioning by convincing them that they're mentally ill men. Psycho-analytical schemes to keep people on the talking chair are as old as Freud.

>>8619988
Agreed. If you experience dysphoria, even if just in the form of being depressed over not being a woman, you're trans. Having or not having a fetish doesn't change that.

>>8613201
>"AGP"-like fantasies
AKA AGP

>>8623401
The trouble with that term is that it is strongly associated with the typology. On the other hand there are no other well-known-on-4chan terms that describe the same thing.