/mtfg/ Transgirl General

>>8591148
>splintered wooden frame
I think almost every door in my house has been broken in an autistic tantrum of my parents at one point or another.

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>>8591159
if you go to a trap thread there is a good chance you will see me or my dick lol

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>>8591169
they asked to see my nono-zone, & my hole.
i didn't mind showing tits cause i was flat.
one of them was really upset by the fact that i'm male.
some of them were rather thrilled about it.
others made fun of my hair

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>>8591158
My parents didn't believe in having locks on doors, because it wasn't right for a family to live like that, or some shit.
My mom used that as an excuse to attention-whore, and invade my privacy whenever the hell she wanted without knocking.

I remember bracing my door with a music stand once when I had a fight with her; it turned out better than a normal lock, actually, because there was no way for my dad or mom to break it open

I also still go to my closet or a dark corner to cry so that nobody can find me, even well after I've moved out.

>>8591183
>>8591158
>My parents didn't believe in having locks on doors, because it wasn't right for a family to live like that, or some shit.
I take that back, there was a lock on their door, but never on mine or my sisters' doors. There was also a LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION about whether or not our BATHROOMS should have locks on them.

>>8591169
>tfw nudes with face get posted on b and you feel gross and bad

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>>8591197
iktf

I kinda feel jelly of the girls here who actually can flash their goods at boys
I will always be a gross old man, even when I am no longer obese

>>8591199
>tfw posting nudes on /b/ and hoping nobody you know irl recognizes you.

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>>8591215
well, the thread 404'd, & by this point it's probably buried under thousands of other 404'd threads wherever it's been archived.
besides, to my knowledge, nobody i know, on the internet ir elsewhere, doesn't visit /b/, let alone /b/ archives.
& yea, it's gonna take some digging, so i'm not really worried

>>8591183
>>8591192
My parents didn't believe in hitting kids so as punishment we had to stand in the hall in our underwear as a time out.

>>8591287
in your underwear is kind of dumb and damaging but hey you turned out alright

>>8591293
>but hey you turned out alright
Anon

>>8591183
>>8591192
Jesus, some people should just not be allowed to have children.

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Hello trans girls of /tttt/ how do you do?

*tips Fedora*

I am new here. I am not trans and I am not a chaser. Is it OK if I hang out here with you friendly young ladies or should I just go back to my le Reddit? (haha thats a joke I am actually from Tumblr)

>>8591169
Is that old enough to nut in yet?

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>>8591182
people do that on the internet
>>8591197
thats happened a few times
>>8591333
i am lmao
but not at the time of that pic

>>8591348
>i am lmao
Cool so when do I get to fill your racist lil boipussy with black dick? Or do I have to use Pookie as bait to lure you in? Gonna make Pookie so much more cute once she joins the team.... cuter than you Tbh, she will make you mad jelly. Watch dis :^)

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>>8591348
you so dorbs X3

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>>8591374
ill pass on this one
>>8591380
ty!!

im gonna butt fap to this later

>See Isla's perfect face
>Goddamn, she so cute
>Remember she had a problem with self harm
>Oh yeah. Smart, sexy, sane, pick two.

tfw no pookie gf

>>8591374
if pookie is there can i join too

relatable

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sup

>>8591803
whered you get the idea that shes smart lmao

>>8591330
cēterum cēnseō carthāginem esse dēlendam

get out

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>>8592382
yo

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Slaanesh be praised, lets make this thread less boring.

Tell me your stories of glorious hedonism, /mtfg/.

>>8592383
this
>>8591803
>sexy
no
its pick one
im not smart and im not totally sane
rofl

friendly and helpful reminder that anime is a cancer of society. do not let it spread

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This is now a diaper thread.

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>>8592367
The rise of Nat Soc is making me smile.
Lets secure a future for our white children.

>>8592373
Lol, Ill be sure to.
But now we have this thread.

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>>8592385
oh my god I almost forgot about this

>>8592386
you already know most of mine

>>8592363
I do a lot for myself.

>>8592381
I shall try.

>>8592389
If you don't like anime, don't come to 4chan. It's very simple.

>>8592390
>>>/d/

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>>8592359
I do not fester in my waste, I find the thought of it appalling.

>>8592392
>Asukaposter is a nazi scumbag
wew

>>8592392
As multiculturalism enhances your white children will dwindle in number, until the only ones left are the inbred Nazis

>>8592396
you cant keep me away that easily

>>8592385

The first time I saw that picture I had absolutely no idea what I was looking at. It nearly broke my mind.

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ok lads how do i feel the void now that I watched oitnb s5

idk if i can wait a whole year for s6

also I'm predicting that best girl (on the right ofc) is going to make a comeback since the whole cast is gonna go to max most likely

>>8592398
probably just being ironic like 95% of the supposed "NatSoc" people on 4chan

I bet even the ones who are serious don't know shit about the actual ideology of the nazi party.

>>8592398
shes literally one of the only likable trannies here you faggot

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>>8592391
no, I think my cynicism developed as a result of it. Ultimately, if this is all a part of "god's plan" or whatever the fuck this is, then I was born exclusively to suffer and struggle miserably.

>>8592394
then don't say you have nothing to give.

>>8592407
I second this.

>>8592405
find some other show to watch

>>8592405
fill*

>>8592408
if there is a divine plan of course theres going to be a few jokes in it

with the miracle of the internet now us jokes can interact with each other

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>>8592414
I used to think I was god's joke just being trans.

but no, it just kept getting worse.

>>8592417
being trans is only part of the setup

the punchline is when it really gets good

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It's 6.40 pm, am I allowed to go to sleep now?

>>8592417
yes there are people starving and fighting for their life in impossibly bloody and exhausting wars

but you dont get to be the gender you want!
boo hoooo :'( god must hate you!

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We're all gonna make it.

>>8592408
You suffer because you're self absorbed. You think your personal happiness matters beyond the scope of your mind. We are all suffering, yet if we help others we can forget our pain to put theirs first. Only then, does your happiness matter beyond your mind

>>8592421
yes theres starving children in africa, that means i cant complain when a restaurant fucks up an order, everyones heard that one a million times and its still garbage

>>8592407
agreed
>>8592398
Also
>wanting your race to survive since you believe you have a part of importance in existence means u a nazi

>>8592429
You're implying that race makes up a significant proportion of human diversity and not 3-8% of it

>>8592434
What came of that conversation?

>>8592428
she just said that trannies were born to struggle lol

when you guys all have rich parents and easy ass first world lives

so conceited its ridiculous

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>>8592433

>if you go into your falsetto your adams apple will go higher!!
>go into falsetto and watch in mirror
>exact same place
i swear to god

>>8592440
one thing cali has taught me is that spics are the absolute worst

thank god we have more breathing room to insult them

>>8592429
>literally posting about how happy national socialism makes her

>"durr how does that make her national socialist though??"

do you even know what a nazi is?

>>8592445
well you clearly dont but itd be funny to hear your scuffed definition

>>8592439
and im assuming you live in a sub saharan slum so you can say that youre the only one truly suffering, right?

besides, money doesnt stave off misery, only hunger and rain and all of that other survival stuff

>>8592440
Good unrelated strawman, you sure showed me for thinking race is trivial!

>>8592446
a national socialist (german abbreviation: nazi) is a person believing in national socialism (abbreviated in english as nazism)

asukaposter's post about the rise of national socialism and protecting white kids could not have been more nazi if she posted a Hitler portrait

>>8592433
>You're implying that race makes up a significant proportion of human diversity and not 3-8% of it
how on earth does wanting your race to survive imply it's part of a significant portion of human diversity, they want that 3-8% to stay and you're saying that's nazism you dumb shit

>>8592449
why would you assume that?

because i said she's conceited?

what kind of autistic string together is that?

of course i dont have it bad, i live in america
i sleep in a warm bed, have food to eat, clean water, and entertainment

im not a whiny bitch like you guys, is what im saying

>>8592443
Means you're closing your voice box instead of elevating it to get a higher pitch. You need to pull it up and back to get your falsetto. You probably won't be able to speak clearly in it, if at all. That's what practice is for

>>8592451
oh no its almost like a white person is PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE and wants to preserve it!!!

oh god, the horror!!! call tumblr immediately!

>>8592445
I know nazi's beliefs, but not their views of persecution and supremacy
thats not implied in national socialism

>>8592454
good for you, do you feel better now that you got that smugness off your chest?

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>>8592450
>its okay for every race but whites to had pride
>its not okay for whites to try to fight to avoid eradication

>>8592459
i feel better seeing you immediately go defensive and reply with a short phrase
because i know next time you will be more humble and use your head more

:)

>>8592453
just means your attempts are futile as the 3-8% whites have in common will continue to fade as multiculturalism takes over

im too tired to think
right
now
sleep need
bye
[>>8592462
have not had

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>>8592457
>oh god, the horror!!
I never even got started with criticizing nazism let alone being horrified,, you mong. Only said that it is ridiculous to tell me that Asukaposter's post about the rise of national socialism and future for white children was not a nazi post. Because it was a ridiculous statement.

It's like insisting a post about the workers' and peasants' revolution had nothing to do with communism.

>>8592470
>have not had
autocorrect -__-

>>8592407
>>8592408
>Nazis like avatarposting
Makes sense.

>>8592429
She explicitly mentioned NatSoc aka Nazism.

>>8592462
>Taking pride in race and nation
Nationalist scum. Take pride in things you've accomplished, not in spooks fabricated to make you serve your government.

>>8592464
more smug superiority

you really enjoy it dont you ;)

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i wanna be a girl

>>8592451
This.

>>8592462
never said it wasn't okay, just saying the white race will die out and you can't do anything about it

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>>8592464
> :)

>>8592476
do something about it

>>8592476
then be a girl already coworker-chan

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I found out today that the standard 100mg Spiro for four weeks, then moving on to 200mg Spiro + 2mg of Progynova generic tranny transition method has been updated as of about a month ago in medical diaries in my country.

Now you do it the other way around. 2mg of Progynova for a month, then introduce 200mg of Spiro.

When the fuck did this happen? Anyone know?

>>8592484
your country sounds literally backwards

>>8592478
not when the deck is stacked against us
but we will still fight
and once we are gone humanity will fall to ruin

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>>8592478
>the white race will die out
you're as retarded as they are, to believe such nonsense

>>8592486
lmao

>>8592485
That's exactly what I thought. I found out from a babytrans girl I know, who only started hormones last week, that the gender clinics here now all do it that way. The fuck?

>>8592486
Sure thing bud, that 3-8% was totally keeping it all together

>>8592484
I think it's something to do with breast development. Starting spiro before estradiol leads to a higher chance of conetits.

so ahh.. if I search my city and then add transexual after it, I just get pages of escorts. Is this the same everywhere?

>>8592489
what country?

>>8592494
Well, don't look up an outdated term only used for hookers, then.

>>8592487
You don't understand how genetics work, do you?

>>8592480
>>8592482
i'm trying
>coworker-chan
who is this?

>>8592496
Australia.

>>8592493
I guess that would... make sense... maybe. The conetit conspiracy is real.

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>tfw 9 months into voice training and I got pitch and resonance perfectly but when I start talking, the -inflections-(?) n stuff (may break the resonance?) still make the voice sound male. It's pretty frustrating because I've had this issue for 4 months already.
When I *aahhhhhhh* it sounds perfectly. When I start saying stuff, for example *The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog*, the voice kinda has all kinds of masculine fluctuations, I don't even know how to describe it.

I might send a vocaroo too, I'd really love some advice because I feel like I've hit a dead-end.

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>>8592484
theres no point in starting either first.

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>>8592499
I understand enough about genetics to know that there is no such thing as a "white race"

guess how I can tell you are American?

(pic related does not even show ALL the human races)

>>8592491
white people built modern civilisation
>inb4 muh slavery
and we ended slavery

>>8592498
>Transsexual
>dated term

>>8592510
Don't you know transsexual is for tranny hookers and AGPs, and transgender is for actual trans people?

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>>8592474
>Nationalist scum. Take pride in things you've accomplished, not in spooks fabricated to make you serve your government.

Why can't I be proud of what my ancestors have built for their children and what I will continue to build for mine?
Why is defending our accomplishments from strangers a bad thing?

>>8592506
>>8592506
>>8592506

>>8592507
By white race I mean white colored skin and features associated with it. Every race will die and there will only be one super race, minus the inbred nazis.

Ironically enough, the Europeans are to blame for starting multiculturalism

>>8592513
>our accomplishments
this is a collectivist spook, m8

be proud of your own life and no one else's

>>8592512
but we want to change our sex

>>8592494
It is the same everywhere. And most escorts got either fake photos from pornsites, or brutally photoshopped ones.So don't even try it, or you risk to be scared for the rest of your life.

>>8592504
if youre actually at a dead end, you have to practice more phonetic sounds. everyone gets the ahhh sound down quick because its simple. stop working on your ahhhs and start working on your hard k sounds or s sounds or whatever sounds dont seem natural to you.

>>8592517
Was not planning on it.

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>>8592512
you got that backwards. transgender is an umbrella term for trenders, to make everyone thats actually cis feel welcome if they just wear a shirt of the other sex once, transsexual is for people that are actually affected by a medical condition that needs medical intervention. nevermind that transgender as a word doesnt even make sense if you assume that gender is the brainsex youre born with.

>>8592514
>there will only be one super race
No, dumbass, it doesn't work that way. If anything the future humanity will be divided into even MORE distinct races with our greater numbers and the multiculturalism in developed countries leading to new combinations of human phenotypes.

>>8592494
Idiot, use "transgender" instead

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;-;

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>>8592513
aww <3

>>8592513
>Why can't I be proud of what my ancestors have built for their children
Because you have done nothing to contribute to that. Taking pride in the actions of others makes no sense.

>What I will continue to build for mine?
Sure.

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>>8592455
and just 20 minutes later i gave up for the night because i was seconds from throwing a tantrum over it, swallowed, put my hand on my throat and did the thing to pull it back, and got stuck there for a second. kinda sounded like a girl with a really deep voice.

perhaps all is not yet lost

>>8592524
Lol no

Group diversity comes from natural selection requiring certain mutations to survive in a localized region. Due to technology rendering such mutations obsolete and allowing mass, dispersed migration such similarities will be ironed out by racial mixing.

>>8592526
>Not having seen a qualified professional
DROPPED PSYCHOLOGISTS DON'T KNOW SHIT REEEEE

>>8592515
>>8592528
If you build something in a group, everyone does his part and in the end you have a great result, are you only proud of your minor contribution or are you proud of the whole achievement?

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>>8592525
Nah it's considered offensive

>>8592536
You have to actually personally contribute to the thing you're building. Being the daughter of an architect doesn't mean you get to take any pride in your father's buildings. The same applies to taking pride in your ancestors or race.

>>8592532
Let's say we skip forward 1000 years. There will likely be many new races and many that have disappeared by being absorbed into another race. For instance, pygmies will probably not exist anymore, due to their native land being taken from them and their low numbers. There is no such threat to any of the "white" phenotypes.

>>8592539
But I already worked and payed taxes so I did something.

>>8592540
You don't need to take land in order for racial mixing to take place. Theres no selection favoring white skin and given enough time, even without multiculturalism it would be replaced by more dominant genes. Multiculturalism just introduces these genes faster and speeds up the process

>>8592443
>>8592529
>>8592504
Just get surgery lmao
>>8592515
>>8592528
This is what bugs me about the white supremacists the most
>Unemployed virgin basement dweller?
>Take pride in the achievements of some random unelated stranger who lived centuries ago just because you shared the same skin tone
>This means you're not a failure!

>>8592556
voice surgery is a fucking meme

>>8592559
t. Poor person

>>8592560
yes, poor person, very much so. I can't afford to waste money lol

>>8592560
be nice Shakira

>>8592559
No, just still requires voice training

>tfw he draws cute doodles for you and tells you how much he loves you

>>8592562
I'm poor too but you don't see me getting salty about it. If I get a job one day I'll get voice surgery, until then oh well I'll have to be openly trans.
>>8592564
Now that's a meme.

>>8592552
>Theres no selection favoring white skin
You're still thinking in terms of a "white race"

I told you there is no fucking "white race"

None of the various Caucasoid phenotypes (which you mistakenly refer to as one "white race") are genetically threatened by larger populations on their indigenous land, in the way that congoid pygmies or certain americoid bloodlines are threatened

You are right about darker skin being a dominant trait, but I'm not talking about skin colour, I'm talking about genetics. In the USA for example, even if black/white interracial coupling became widespread enough to significantly darken the average skintone, it would actually be diluting the Congoid and Capoid phenotypes' bloodlines in America because they would be drowned out in the seas of Caucasoid blood

>>8592564
that's pretty much why it's a meme though, you can achieve more natural sounding results with pure training. surgery wont make it any easier to train, large recovery time, it's easily botched, costly, etc.

>>8592567
Im not being salty at all though, I have no idea what you're talking about now. I'm literally just saying it's a waste of money to get voice training, and because I am poor, I cannot afford to waste my money on things.

>calls me out on being poor
>im poor too
what's your point then

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>>8592556
thats how groups have worked for hundreds of years. if you identify with one (you dont ACTUALLY need to be part of a group, it is enough if its believed you are) the group and their achievements become part of your identity. this also works the other way around, if the majority puts you into a stigmatized group, it triggers certain reactions.
seeing people as individualist beings with their identity not having any attachments to the outside is simply anachronistic and easily disproven by the last 1500 years of european history.
Personally I assume that thats an instinct and not learned behaviour. To give individuals a reason to protect the tribe they belong to or something maybe.

>>8592570
>to get voice training,
surgery*

>>8592568
And you think the 3-8% of diversity will be maintained despite having no advantage? Lol

>>8592576
... uh, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>8592570
No but it will raise pitch nonetheless, which voice training can only do to a certain extent

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>>8592560
Just start a gofundme, make an outrageous tumblr account, and stick a link to the GFM on there

>>8592578
The 3-8% of difference in genetic material that creates race

>>8592579
Female sounding pitch is ~220hz. Unless you're really fucked, anyone can hit that with training. Plenty of women have slightly deeper voices, and even when a women does her deepest voice, she still sounds like a woman pretending to be a dude. That's because of every other factor that surgery does nothing to help.

>>8592585
It's advantages are in a more natural sounding inflection due to higher range

Not necessary but it can help

>>8592584
It will not be "maintained". It will continue to fluctuate between different populations as it always has. For example I mentioned Pygmies before, of all human phenotypes they are the most genetically divergent from the rest, most "unique breed" of human being so to speak, the least related to the other races thanks to their long isolation in the jungles of the Congo. With their rainforest homes stolen and their tribes enslaved by the much larger (in population size and individual size) Bantu, the Pygmies are almost certainly doomed to die out. Their bloodline will be diluted into the Bantu bloodline, hardly altering the Bantu due to the Pygmies being so few in number.

>>8592570
>I can't afford it therefore it's a waste of money
>I am not salty
>>8592572
No not really, The French were allied with the Turks against the Austrians for centuries because Habsburg-Bourbon rivalries meant a lot more then racial differences and The Dutch supported Kongo against the Portuguese because fuck Catholics. And finally didn't the Romans spend centuries trying to genocide the Northern Europeans while being best pals with various African and Asian kingdoms at the same time? European unity is a recent concept.

>>8592591
Your inflection won't change at all with voice surgery, you have to manually control that. Inflection in this context is the modulation in pitch, after getting voice surgery, if you talked monotonously (which reads as masculine) you will still talk monotonously and have to train. You'll just talk monotonously at a higher pitch. If you can naturally hit those notes without surgery, it's not going to sound "more natural" with it. Natural sounding female notes come from resonance, not pitch.

>>8592595
>>I can't afford it therefore it's a waste of money
But I never said that? I said, it is a waste of money, reasons stated:

>>8592585
>>8592570
>>8592596

and I said because I am poor, I do not have the ability financially to waste said money. If you're rich, you can use lots of money to get services that are pointless.

>>8592592
Yes but any dominant genes the pygmies possess will eventually become more and more popular. While the effect of the gene may not be naturally dominant, the gene itself being dominant will allow it to reproduce

Same will happen to other genes that no longer have the distance barrier preventing their reproduction

>>8592597
Obviously VFS only helps with pitch and as far a I can tell that's the main problem for most people here so why should it be a waste of money?
It also prevents you from slipping and you won't have a constant strain on your vocal cords.

>>8592596
Your inflection would have to be trained, but you'd have more range to work with, which may or may not (probably will) help

>>8592585
Some people's voices drop back to male ranges no matter how much they try, yes some women have deep voices but if you're already 6' with a giant jaw a dropped voice isn't going to help your cause. Voice training isn't a magic bullet, Just like how not everyone learning the piano will become good at it, not everyone training their voice will become good at it, this is common sense.
>>8592597
By your logic FFS is also a waste of money because "hurr why risk getting botched when you can just wear makeup?" Every surgery has risks dumbfuck.
>>8592602
Listen Franzi they are upset that you can afford it and they can't so they will call you lazy and "wasting money on dangerous surgery" to make themself feel better about themselves. Best to just ignore them.

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>>8592595
what are you even talking about.
Obviously the dominant group identity isnt european.
The dominant identity has been national/regional identity since the 15th century (with all its repercussions for the 'other' like Sinti and Roma for example), before that it was the membership in the feudal system within catholic world views, if we re talking broader scales.

>>8592602
>as far a I can tell that's the main problem for most people here

personally I think the main problem is resonance. I think developing resonance is easier if your normal SprechStimme is higher because you need less muscle tension to speak as high

>>8592601
This won't result in a humanity merged into one global phenotype though. This will result in many new phenotypes from the new combinations.

>>8592606
>Nationalism has existed since the 15th century
I thought you were a history major?

I love it when /pol/ goes full /x/
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1500/19/1500195906687.jpg

>>8592602
Pitch shouldn't be a major concern for anyone at all though, that's exactly what I'm saying. A woman, using her natural resonance, speaking at a male pitch, will still sound like a female with a deep voice. Therefore, if you can get your resonance to be female (VFS doesn't do this), you do not have to have a high pitch to pass. Anyone is capable of raising their pitch slightly into better ranges over time anyway, and because VFS has such a high recovery time, it's pointless instead of spending time practising it.

>>8592604
Lower your baseline pitch and your higher range increases.

>>8592605
>a dropped voice isn't going to help your cause
that's exactly what I'm saying though, it's going to do absolutely nothing if your resonance is female. Nobody is going to even notice other than "oh you have a deep voice now that i think about it". A raspy voice on the other hand is a killer and VFS gonna immediately kill you on that.


FFS gives results that cannot be achieved with training or makeup. You cannot wear makeup 100% of the time nor can contouring change brow bossing or lower your hairline. Voice trained fem voice will become natural over time and it will become difficult to lower pitch.

I haven't called any of you lazy. Personally I have no issue maintaining my pitch at 220hz, my resonance is male which clocks me, VFS wouldn't change a thing about that. You told *me* to get surgery, Im telling you why not.

>>8592609
>existed since
That's not what she said, Shakira...

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>>8592605
>Every surgery has risks
So the less it is used, the better. Even if all goes smooth, you may just go over limits and end like Kimber.

>>8592610
I remember having a chat about alien spacecraft on /pol/ once.

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>>8592609
and I thought english was your native language

>>8592612
Franzi for instance has a female resonance but can't keep up the pitch. VFS is exactly like FFS actually, it enables your voice to become effortless. Many people pass with makeup but they still get FFS because they want to pass effortlessly. Stop being salty.
>>8592614
Looking plastic is better than looking like a hon.
>>8592618
Ooooh burned.
Ok I'll lay off the sarcastic meme replies.
I am arguing with Franzi (I think) that European/white identity is a recent thing, you're breaking this down into regional identities, that's not what I'm disputing here, I think we're on the same page.

>>8592547
Every time you buy a product from a certain country the country gets part of your money. Did you help create Japan by buying anime? Would it make any sense of you to be proud of Japan?

And even ignoring that, it only makes sense to take pride in things you're personally involved in, i.e. nothing that happened before your birth.

>>8592619
>Franzi for instance has a female resonance but can't keep up the pitch.
Then it will sound passably female.

>VFS is exactly like FFS actually, it enables your voice to become effortless
That's just incorrect though. Like other anon said who was actually arguing against me, it still requires training (effort) to change your resonance to female after VFS. It enables your pitch to be effortless, but that doesn't clock your voice, your resonance does.

>Many people pass with makeup but they still get FFS because they want to pass effortlessly
Absolutely, and I plan on getting FFS because I'd also like to pass effortlessly. However, despite my pitch being a stable 200-250hz, my resonance is still male. VFS wouldn't change that and I'd still have to put effort in, thus my decision not to waste money on it.

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>>8592619
yes, my point is tho, that it doesnt matter WHICH identity is dominant in a certain time, its only that SOME collective identity is always dominant. the concept of using a certain group identity as part of your individual identity is neither new nor stupid: its an imperative of human social life and I think its highly unlikely that it will change within our lifetime.

anyway I gotta go
ttyl

>>8592605
I don't care about their opinion, I just think that all surgeries can be beneficial to someone. I don't want a person to not consider VFS simply because some memers made it look universally bad. It can be a viable option for some people who really struggle.

>>8592606
I was thinking about Shakira, kayla/faye (I always confuse them don't know who) and myself. As far as I understand we all struggle with pitch.

>>8592612
I don't think women can talk in the male range.
Also getting VFS doesn't mean that I won't continue voice training. I'll still see my voice therapist to work on resonance and Betonung if needed.

>>8592619
Isnt European identity a regional identity?

>>8592621
See Phienchens response.
And with taxes I mean literally paying a huge part of my salary to the state and with working I mean literally working for the state.

>>8592631
>I don't think women can talk in the male range.
Don't be sexist. Women can do anything men can do.

>>8592619
>Looking plastic is better than looking like a hon.
Matter is not looking plastic, but that she now is walking TV shows, where she moan, how evil surgeons spoiled all her life. Everybody nod and forget to mention, that she ran to the porn studio the moment she became 18.

>>8592631
I'll accept then, if you are that worried or find it that difficult to raise your pitch, VFS might be for you. I have my doubts you couldn't train yourself easily to reach a feminine pitch nor that your pitch would be of any concern, but sure, in your case specifically and others like you it could be a viable option.

My point about females talking in male range was hypothetical, obviously very few women can bring their voice to that pitch, but any that tries or gets close still sounds super female-pretending-to-be-male, highlighting how unimportant pitch is to be passable.

>>8592627
True.
Cya!
>>8592631
Yeah fuck the haters, do what you have to do.
>Isnt European identity a regional identity?
The region is too big with too many sub-groups.

>>8592631
>See Phienchens response
Which one?

>And with taxes I mean literally paying a huge part of my salary to the state
Okay, so what? If you buy foreign products you are still giving a lot of money to foreign countries because taxes. When you browse 4chan you make Moot2 money. What is the difference? You giving more money to your own country than to others because you have to?

>and with working I mean literally working for the state.
See, if you work in a government office this is actually sensible to a degree, not because of nationalism but because you're literally part of the government. It's a bit like a janitor taking pride in a university's accomplishments though.

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>>8592638
I already did voice training for half a year. I managed to raise my average pitch by 10 Hz.

>>8592641
But we share values, laws and culture. It's a loose identity but it is one.

>>8592646
I'm not in the mood to type long responses on my phone. >>8592572

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>>8592655
>I already did voice training for half a year. I managed to raise my average pitch by 10 Hz.
Alright, I concede then it's subjective and someone in your situation could benefit.
I'd maintain moreover Shakira is really dumb for thinking Im "salty" for not wanting VFS when resonance is clearly my issue and not pitch and VFS wouldnt help that, pic related.

>>8592572
>thats how groups have worked for hundreds of years. if you identify with one (you dont ACTUALLY need to be part of a group, it is enough if its believed you are) the group and their achievements become part of your identity. this also works the other way around, if the majority puts you into a stigmatized group, it triggers certain reactions.
People also believed in Jesus for thousands of years. Doesn't make religion not retarded.

>seeing people as individualist beings with their identity not having any attachments to the outside is simply anachronistic and easily disproven by the last 1500 years of european history.
This sentence is empty of meaning.

>Personally I assume that thats an instinct and not learned behaviour. To give individuals a reason to protect the tribe they belong to or something maybe.
Mankind has risen above the animal by rejecting their instincts, not embracing them. Overcome.

fuck my life

days away from starting transition but I have court in a few months and might go to prison

I have to wait because if I get sent to prison it will be a male prison regardless

>>8592675
what u do kid

>>8591374
Is this the black guy that like to call Isla cripplechan?

>>8592675
So you better not to start. In the best case you'll be offered to become a prostitute, in the worst - you gonna get raped. And it isn't a porn fantasy, so you really won't like it.

>>8592676

nothing

>>8592684

yeah I know I just want it to be over already. I jumped through so many hoops now this.. hmm how much does HRT sell for on the black market?

>>8592687
>nothing

Smart.

What have you been accused of?

>>8592627
>human identity

this is the best identity

>>8592508
You also fought to keep slavery

>>8592687
dindu nuffin huh ;)

>>8592692
and this is the problem with massive group identities

>>8592692
>You also fought to keep slavery
When did we do this?
t. Brit

>>8592692
not really, white nations world over were the first to draft the laws
a bunch of uppity southerners in the US who were upset they were going to have to industrialise instead of using human labour notwithstanding
also slavery is still legal in most of Africa and middle eastern countries

>>8592659
I called you salty for saying VFS is a waste of money for everyone. You've only just admitted that it benefits some people.
>>8592684
>Implying HRT does anything
I'd run the prison, I still look alpha.
>>8592692
I think most Europeans were never pro-slavery because it was alien to their lands, The Americans were more supportive of it in their lands because they grew up with it on their doorstep but once ex-slaves with stories started percolating back to Europe the locals quickly became horrified and started the abolition movement. I think it was way back in 1772 or something that England banned slavery in it's own lands. You even saw a mini version of this in America, The North which didn't have much to do with slavery beyond reaping the profits turned against it when they saw the horrors of what was going on in the South.
And yes >>8592700 it exemplifies what I say that white identity was never a thing because look how sharply divided they were over slavery.

race is the biggest spook that exists

there's no such thing as nationalist solidarity

keep spreading porky's spooks for the glory of the laughable concept of the "white race" while seeing society in the most simplified lens possible

>>8592720
inb4 shitstorm

>>8592720
14/88

Race is a meme and all religion needs to be exterminated.

>>8592687
It's your ass. Almost anywhere wardens shall only care, that you are not killed or maimed, and shall only laugh, if you'll come to them with complaints about your lost anal virginity.

>>8592733
Why is rape condoned in US prisons?

>>8592627
Are you still in Germany

>>8592720
Gender is a far bigger spook, idiot.

>>8592731
Desu we all need to be exterminated

>>8592705
You're really down playing the American civil war

>>8592720
>there's no such thing as nationalist solidarity

This is true, and always has been. It's always about class, if you think any differently you're wilfully ignorant.

>>8592700
Very selective in their history. It's all positive stuff.

>>8592736

Because sometimes, if you rape an inmate juuuust right, you get a really groovy dude like Charlie Manson!

>>8592746
You're really downplaying the black people keeping other black people as slaves right now in the current year...

Go do some research on the Congo, the people known as Pygmies and the abuse of Pygmies by people known as Bantu.

European nations were the first on earth to outlaw slavery. Fact.

>>8592746
well the civil war wasnt just about slavery
it was also about state vs federal rights

>>8592753
He was groovy before he got raped, I didn't even know he got raped, who would be crazy enough to try raping Charles Manson?
>>8592759
State rights to keep slaves.

>>8592758
>>8592759
Hahaha oh /pol/

>>8592761
>State rights to keep slaves.
I guess but still, the right side won because in reality the confederates just lacked the money and the leadership

>>8592761
>He was groovy before he got raped

He got sent to a juvenile offenders institute as a wee'un, the whole place was very Lord of the Flies. I think he raped someone back too; grim shit.

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>>8592737
yes.

>>8592742
Maybe.

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>>8592759

>>8592736
In US, it depends of prison. Mostly it is not tolerated both by inmates and administration. but in some places passive gay has almost no rights. And person on HRT shall be automatically considered passive gay. In other places passives are almost on the same level with other inmates, but can not refused, if are offered sex, though it's not allowed to fuck them for free.

>>8592785
I'm guessing you've never been to prison.

>>8592792
Has anyone on /LGBT/ been to prison? Apart from some of the butch lesbians

>>8592767
There was only one other main reason for secession and that was tariffs. The South exported a lot of cotton whereas the North wanted to create a large domestic industry. Your federal government enacted high tariffs to enable the North's wishes but this negatively impacted the South's exports. As a result a few states said it should be theirchoice what laws passed by Congress they follow, the federal government disagreed with this so they then said it should be their choice to decide whether to be in the Union at all.

I think if we have to grind it all down to a basic cause it was economic. Staying in the Union was all round bad for the Southern economy. They were losing support for their slave based economy and then the federal government started telling them that they couldn't even export their goods.

Also on a side note a lot of people misunderstand the slavery issue. It wasn't about the right of the existing South to keep slaves it was about whether new territories should become slave states or not. The South feared that these new territories would become Northern puppets for antislavery.

BTW, rapes is prison are more rare, that it is thought of. There are a lot of good psychologysts among inmates, and you'll find yourself sucking a dick for a pack of cigarettes before you can think "WTF I am doing?"

>>8592785
How would they know I'm on HRT? I look like a normal dude.

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mostly true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otD52qwC9xw

>>8592816
Didn't someone tell you you literally look like a low test male?

>>8592816
You still get medical examination before getting to jail. And wardens shall gladly share info about your hrt with inmates, for some profit or just to have fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGTL5hftYY

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>>8592830
you would think trannies would be put into protective custody instead of general pop

in Mr Robot S2 the fact that Hot Carla wasn't a figment of Elliots imagination or exaggeration and then the prison revelation at the end of the season and she was still there really really made me sad.

why are we hated so badly

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Hi /mtfg/ please answer this poll. This data is very important so please answer truthfully!!!

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Anybody /usedtosneakintotheirsistersroomtotryonherclotheswhenyouwerehomealone/ here?

>>8592854
pedo

>>8592858
I miss nim

>>8592856
Yes?

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>>8592853
Yeah when I wanted to dress up like a girl I went and asked my sister to help me. Her and her friends happily helped me, I wish I had used that resource more as a teenager. But I couldn't let my dad down by being a giant faggot so I only did it a few times.

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I was drinking and then we got high and then I was sick and then we smoked more

And then I had a lucid dreams about being a a female and I've woken up sad and wish I was a girl


Why can't I go Manly substance binge without life tormenting my subconcious

>>8592866
take it to repgen dude

>>8592853
23 year old NEET living with my sister here, have been doing it for the past four years.
She's a third year university student. On two days, she's there for eight straight hours. When she leaves, I wait until her classes start before I have some fun. She's pretty much the same size as me, so everything fits well.
I always cover my tracks extremely well. When I'm done, everything is hung up the way it was, placed in order, folded the right way and stored in the correct drawers. I also make sure there's no stray hairs and remove any I find. By the time she's back, her bedroom is as if it was untouched. I usually stop an hour and a half before she's due to come home in case she decides to ditch a class for whatever reason.
Haven't been caught. Haven't even had a close call.

>>8592869
I wish I transitioned

>>8592891
lol why are you here

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VS Mode was the best shit in New Super Mario Bros to play with your friends incase you didn't have the game

Too bad I didn't have friends :(

>>8592383

Should be pick at most two, but you get the idea.

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>>8592853
n-no and i definitely didn't do it with my mom's clothes either

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>>8592897
Lets go and get some DECAF coffee.

>>8592864
Didn't your boner freak them out

>>8592720
This.

>>8592910
>Decaf
I am screaming

I'm going to destroy Kiwiland, then America, then Europe and then God.

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>>8592912
Are you implying I had a sexual attraction for my little sister or her friends? Absolutely disgusting. I never got boners when dressing up, I assure you.

>>8592926
>tfw you did
didn't do it again

>>8592926
A lot of people get aroused by crossdressing before they transition. Repression is a hell of a drug.

Daddy uwu

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>>8592929
:(
That sucks.
I never dressed in sexy stuff I guess so that might be why.

>>8592939
Not I.

>>8592964
Fair. Sorry for assuming.

bored as shit what are you guys doing

>>8592966
>guys
triggered

>>8592968
you know what I mean, man

>>8592850
plugsuits look so fucking stupid.

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>>8592966
wow I havent seen you post in about a hundred years.
want to sit in a bar and observe young people together?

>>8592972
I only ever come here anymore when I've got literally nothing to do. mostly when I'm in the city waiting to see my therapist

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>>8592966
>moko
blast from the past

lightly brewing MTG with Tetra

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>>8592974
I only come here when I have a lot of unistuff to do or when I am really sad.
procrastination is one hell of a drug famalams

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What do you do to pass the time when your daddy grounds you?

>>8592978
nerd
I ain't that old

>>8592979
I don't procrastinate because I don't do really anything

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>>8592985
thats similar.
I dont do really anything because I procrastinate

>>8592992
sure am glad I don't have school or a job

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How2spoon?

>>8592996
I am an expert in this.
You simply hug her from behind and don't let go.

>>8593010
or just lay down on your side until cuddles happen, that's what I do

>>8593012
I always do this but nothing happens, so I'm just hugging my blanket ;_;

>>8593014
I usually bunch my blanket up and spoon it when I'm going to sleep. I like to wrap my legs around something when possible, feels more comfy

>>8593019
Yes I do that too D:
Tfw estrogen made me even more of a lonely cuddle monster.

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Is it too late to watch fireworks in america?

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thoughts?

Hey MTFG

>>8593086
B-but voice training really is hard...

born too late to explore the earth
born too early to explore the galaxy
born just in time to be a 6 foot tall hon

SHOW ME YOUR PROSTATES YOU FUCKING SLUTS

>>8593098
same
i wonder if the number of transitioners will increase when some future technological innovations make passing super easy to more and more people

>>8593124
Genetically engineered cat-girls when

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>>8593086

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dfsafsfasdfsaf

>>8593086
what do half of these have to do with agp lol

>>8593010
That's not what I meant

hate my dick

>>8593136
that's the hon part probably

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>>8593138

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>>8593144

>>8593147
*replies*

>>8593124
For sure.
t. repressor

>>8593086
Swami, I see a lot of these apply to you. Are you trying to tell us something? :0

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Remember to answer the poll! Its super important and your input is extremely important~ <3

Thanks!

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Answer me
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>>8592981
Answer me

>>8593181
R u moap?

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>>8593208
Yes.

>>8593213
AGP is real.

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>>8593214
Blanchard isn't a scientist.
There is no evidence for his theories.
There is no such thing as AGP.

>>8593213
Agp isn't real.
What do you think of demolition d+'s mhe videos?

>>8593214
are y'all really still stuck on this meme

>>8592981
Ask for a spanking instead.

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i need some advice.
i'm all out of prozac, & i won't be getting more until august 22nd.
i've been taking prozac for a month now.
am i going to experience any withdrawal symptoms? how do i deal w/ them?

>>8593214
The treatment for it was still transition.

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>>8593221
Never heard of him, looked up one and skipped through. Seems like hes too edgy for me.

>>8593222
/lgbt/ keeps getting dumber and dumber, theres an occultgen now...

>>8593214
nobody ever tells me what they mean by "agp is not real"
are you saying that i'm lying when i say that reading about the stereotypical agp childhood at 24 was like finding an autobiography
or are you saying it's something else like just a random fetish or whatever

>>8593235
>are you saying that i'm lying when i say that reading about the stereotypical agp childhood at 24 was like finding an autobiography
What do you mean the stereotypical AGP childhood?

>or are you saying it's something else like just a random fetish or whatever
No.

>>8593230
>Seems like hes too edgy for me.
His nge review is really down to earth and insightful though. Kinda like plinketts star wars review.

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why do I I want to be a woman?

Why has this plagued me my whole life and make me feel so empty and incomplete ?

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AGP is real in the sense that it can be a fetish developed as a way to cope with Dysphoria, as a result of your gender identity not being aligned with your assigned sex at birth. It can also be literally just a fetish, many women (cis and trans) have it.

AGP is not real in the sense that it is a distinct category of trans people, i.e a group of trans people who are actually just men with a fetish who transition to appease their fetish.

>>8593255
b/c you're a tranner.
either get on hormones or continue repressing

>>8593255
Cause of hormonal imbalances in your mothers womb. I've found that sacrificing her to the hon gods reverse the effect

>>8593255
>why do I I want to be a woman?
See >>8593214

I think moap is cute despite the negative press covfefev :3

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>>8593247
Hm, when you compare it to plinkett I feel obligated to take a look.

>>8593259
There is no evidence of AGP, Sertii. It's made up.

>>8593241
wasn't very masculine but not feminine either
not very social and liked reading more than sports and stuff
wanted to be a girl since before puberty and especially after but didn't feel much like a girl and had no female friends or anything so i thought i could never fit in socially even if i happened to pass so just tried to forget about it
only had sexual fantasies somehow related to being a girl
was aroused by crossdressing
only started hrt at 24 after starting to see a man in the mirror made me sad and angry daily

>>8593260
;-;

>>8593266
I wish it would stop

>>8593259
>it can be a fetish developed as a way to cope with Dysphoria
[citation needed]

>AGP is not real in the sense that it is a distinct category of trans people
[citation needed]

>>8593271
there is evidence of AGP, just not in the way Blanchard talks about it.

Tons of cis and trans women fantasize about their own bodies in that way, it's actually a proven thing that's been researched?

>>8593280
my citation is me fucking ur mum

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i hate how easy it is for anons to bring me down.
>https://youtu.be/isrF__5gdII

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why do you all give so much of a shit about AGP, it doesn't really matter if someone is or isn't, we all still need to transition and we're all still girls in the end

>>8593271
Don't think it's on youtube anymore tho

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>>8593281
Please link me to any legitimate research of AGP, because I am under the impression that there is absolutely none.

>>8593285
t. the final argument of the anti-Blanchard brigade

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>>8593290
You should care a lot about AGP Grace, its a very inherently transphobic idea that transwomen are just mentally ill men who transition to alleviate a fetish. It builds up the stigma of our sexualization and objectification as well. If we're just doing everything to aleviate a sexual fetish than its ok to fuck us and then never talk about it because I mean thats what we live for.

It's a very very very harmful idea and it directly fuels the stigma people already have against you.

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>That one communist friend who tries to convert you to becoming a communist too but you don't want to yet he tries so hard but you are still best friends for ever because he's a silly little goose
who can relate

>>8593285
But did that make you feel like a woman?
Taking the active role?

>>8593290
i'm not pretty enough to call myself a girl