Trans lesbians, do you consider that fact you received male socialization

>>8567897
ye

>HSTS

Always ignore shitposts

yes, trans lesbians are the most perfect superior life form that the human race has produced

>>8567897
I wouldn't say superior, Cara. The only thing I can say for male socialization is that it taught me to debate and discuss complex topics at a high level. But it also instinctually makes me cut girls off sometimes, it is a habit I am trying and failing at staunching because of my love for the female voice and the fact that I need transsexual treatment.

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>>8569736
I didn't say that I thought it was superior.

Why about your manliness specifically enables you to be more intellectually focused than women?

>>8567897
What are you saying? That all H***s are early transitioners? That's just ignorant.

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>>8569752
No, that HSTSes and all GNC boys don't contextualize themselves in male socialization.

>be straight agp
I hate it, it makes it difficult to relate to my cis-female friends. Just one more factor that makes me feel like a freaky "other".

On the up-side my bf sees it as a positive, I empathize with guys and their interests/hobbies much more than I think a cis girl could.

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>>8567897
No, very intense male socialization has flat out fucked me up.

I hate merely being aware of it, I remember when during a gender studies couurse I was informed I'm considered to posses "technical masculinity", that kind of cut into me. I cannot fucking cope with how viciously I have been shoved into computers.

I can't even stomach handling any computer setup any more, this revulsion is completely eating away at my life, at what litttle is left over there nowadays.

But trans people get trans socialization not male or female socialization. You'd have to be pretty retarded to pretend trans people got socialized in the same way as Stacey or Chad or like 99% of the school you went to.

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>>8569982
Are you insinuating that computers is trans socialization?

>>8567897
Alright, you got me. An acronym I couldn't find with google. What the fuck is an HSTS?

>>8570075
Histrionic Transsexual.

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>>8570102
Thanks. We really need a sticky glossary or something

>>8570075
It's a blanchard term for homosexual transexual

>>8570111
well geez now I'm just confused

>>8570117
It's an outdated and useless term.
hsts is supposed to describe mtf's that are interested in men by describing them as stereotypical effeminate gay men. He categorized them as having specific body types and such as well.
It's basically just transphobic garbage, also kind of homophobic

>>8570140
that's good to know. It's really lame that you have to deal with stuff like that, I don't understand why people have to be so hateful and dehumanizing

>>8569946
>I'm considered to posses "technical masculinity", that kind of cut into me. I cannot fucking cope with how viciously I have been shoved into computers.
wtf does this mean
what's wrong with computers?

>>8567897
They aren't trans. If you enjoy male hobbies and act like a man you are not trans. Stop this idiocy.

>>8569744
>what about having autism brain allows you to focus more
hm

>>8570075
>>8570117
"Homosexual transsexual"
a person
who society/themselves might call "trans"

but is really just Ultra Fag (or Ultra Dyke)

e.g., if I like getting railed in the ass
and I take titty skittles and do drag to enhance my sissy faggotry
then I would be HSTS

>>8571179
Bitter AGP with man brain upset because he knows he'll never be trutrans and the rest of society sees him for what he is: a perverted beta man opportunist who's transitioned so he can force himself on unsuspecting women and spy on them in public bathrooms
You and your kind are cancer

>>8567897
Wouldn't male association have more to do with your life experiences?
I don't understand why trannies always think this gender shit literally defines everything about your life.
If you regularly spent time on 4chan, stream, League, DOTA, CoD or discord for five years or more then you have male social programming.

>>8569520
It means homosexual transsexual. They're the men that want to be women that want to fuck other men. That's the reason most people don't use that terminology anymore.

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>>8571170
I didn't say they were, I was just curious as to why they always try to assert that their male socialization and contextualization allegedly gives them a "one up" on legitimate trans women and cis women.

>>8571208
Because they are men, and not even normal men who have enough empathy and socialisation with females that they understand that men are not smarter or better than women in any way.
They are literally the most beta and awkward of men and this internal anger and failure at being men is what leads them to transition.
Unfortunately growing tits can't change the fact they are the lowest form of man.

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is it female behaviour to stalk women and obsessively post on 4chan about how much more feminine you are than everyone else? lol

Translesbians are literally the lowest rung on the degenerate ladder. Lowest kind of scum.

>>8571287
No that sounds like extremely masculine behavior. Men are far more likely to become obsessive over other people especially women.
It's like that movie you know with Buffalo Bill and Hannibal, OP must be Buffalo Bill lol

>>8567897
Transbians are pinnacle of human evolution.
Transbian x transbian is ultimate parring.

>>8571287
take 4chan part out and yeah it's pretty female

>>8571401
I don't know about that. Women can be equally crazy, but those types aren't usually fixated on one person. They just hop from one relationship to another in order to maximize the damage.

>>8567897
Male socialization is great, I have interests and hobbies like film, most cis women just see movies as something to pass time between reality shows or smth

>>8567897
>Trans lesbians, do you consider that fact you received male socialization moreso than HSTSes do an advantage or disadvantage?
Obvious massive disadvantage. Cis lesbians are already on edge/not really accepting of us and then if you do anything that is obviously male or male socialized your chances for friendship nevermind anything else are pretty much zero.

It's like lesbians always say, even (cis) butch lesbians are still women no matter how much like guys they dress. They smell like women, act like women and have working vaginas. Well we're like the opposite butch lesbians in that we're mostly feminine presenting but male socialization and just not passing tends to destroy most of us. And that leads to a lot of anger, resentment and flame wars with cis lesbians.

boys/men grow up fighting for themselves and learning to rely on themselves not taking anything for granted

girls grow up learning to manipulate and rely on others and being cuddled
unless poor family where girls have to be more like men

I was gay as a kid and did drag sometimes but girls still didn't want to hamgout with me cause I was super awkward so I ended up pretty masculine. Am basically just a normal computer nerd I just maybe know a bit more about girls clothes, makeup, and hair but it's all stuff I learnt on my own. Never had female socialization ;_;

I think that if you're actually trans then the "male socialization" was an attempt at best.

I'm speaking for myself, but I have always been able to get along with and make friends with women pretty easily...

With men, I can relate to them well, and they see me as an attractive tomboy who doesn't turn out to be a lesbian and actually likes them back.
It's a unique connection.

>>8571189
I'm actually an 18 year old ON hrt, thank fuck

However just because I'm in an enviable position doesn't make the progressivist worldview any more real

Trannies are delusional; just because HRT ASAP is the current best cure for gender dysphoria/dissatisfaction doesn't make trannies any less delusional.
YOU WILL ALWAYS BE WHAT YOU WERE BORN AS.
IMPLANTABLE WOMBS WILL NEVER BE RELIABLE IN YOUR LIFETIME

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>>8572281
How does that dispute anything that they said?

HSTS are just gay men who cut off their dicks to trap straight people. TERFs and feminist dykes love them because the straight person doesn't breed.

>>8567897
Don't transbians and HSTSes both receive male socialization? Just transbians usually repress and accept it while HSTSes fight it. But both get socialized as male unless in an understanding family.

>>8572303
Caraposter seems to have some made up some correlation between HSTS and early trans that isn't substantiated by anything but his own narcissism.

It's kinda sad, people stealing clinical terminology and then injecting bullshit into it to justify their own ends. This is why I miss the days when sci-hub didn't exist: normies didn't need to know this shit and their lack of reading comprehension skills or a disciplined setting prevent them from digesting the text in anything more than superficial manner.

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>>8572301
trans lesbians band together to try to kill GNC men, straight trans women, straight women and cis lesbians, the same exact way that right wing gays band together to eliminate those people because they "have no use for them" since they have each other.

>>8572317
GNC men don't exist

There are only two genders.

Tranny gets triggered.

>>8572287
The guy I replied to was ambiguous as to whether he was talking about HSTS or old-disgusting-AGP-"trans"-pervs, but he says
>you and your kind are cancer
except I am neither a hon nor claim to be trans

>>8572317
>trans lesbians band together to try to kill GNC men
except "trans lesbians" ARE gender-nonconforming men

>>8572316
>some correlation between HSTS and early trans that isn't substantiated by anything
:^)

>tfw no cis gf

I promise I'd never make her touch or look or think of my penis. Sex would mostly be me eating her out and getting her off.

>>8567897
You couldn't be any more confused about sexuality could you? To bad you listened to libercucktarded school admins that told you lies to just make you feel good without having to actually educate you. The 'male socialization' you speak of is a function of a healthy society that recognizes science and admits that there are only two genders and that they compliment each other in not just physical ways but emotional ways as well. Forcing the lie that any gender combo is normal is just nonsense. Like pretending you can change your gender at any time and then marry another gender confused person and live in your declarations while trying to avoid the reality that you both have dicks and are just fucking gay.

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>>8572359
I was saying that trans lesbians are the tradionalist male gender, though.

>>8572349
Nobody posts anything on these shitpost forums to back up their viewpoints because they're lazy faggots who desperately want to be the next Lacan and overthrow le system.

>>8572372
>wanting to preserve a system
>being that much of a syscuck

>>8572372
The facts about early transitioners and HSTSs are well known.

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>>8572376
preach it brother!!!

like habbo hotel except real life X-D ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH

>>8572380
The typology isn't even "well known" and I'm still seeing no citation despite burden of proof being on you.

Too lazy? Want to shout google it like a triggered faggot? lol it's cute

Continue making up lies and memeing them into truth (in your mind)

>>8572367
In what way?

>>8572400
If you wanted to learn the truth you'd have already done so.

Why would I bother making the case for the truth to someone who has already decided not to believe it?

>>8572424
>literally wants to type "google it" but because I inb4'd is too autistic to just accept my inb4

lol my sides

continue having

-no arguments
-no citations
-no weight of medical opinion
-a shitty pokefag avatar from a show real humans quit watching in 2002

>>8572434
I'm not going to say google or going to make an argument or post citations because if you wanted any of those things you'd already have them.

>>8572454
>I'm not even gonna type anything of note at all! Hah! take that!

So you're admitting you're just shitposting?

Glad we could come to consensus. :^)

>>8572460
>can't read
'kay

>>8572481
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

>>8572497
>confirming you indeed can't read

see >>8572454

>>8572508
>When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1]
>While certain kinds of arguments, such as logical syllogisms, require mathematical or strictly logical proofs, the standard for evidence to meet the burden of proof is usually determined by context and community standards and conventions.[2][3]

>>8572517
When did I make a claim you disputed?

Point out the specific post.

>>8567897
"Male socialization" as in dorkiness, is not so much socialization as it is a lack of self-awareness and non-spontaneous/genuine affect. They may or may not be men, the cause is not maleness but psychology.
If you're talking about actual hons as opposed to ambiguous/confused trans women in their late teens/early twenties, look up the "as if personality" (Deutsch). It explains them.

>>8572323
>there are only two genders

This is always such a retard statement when trying to trigger trannies.

Ummm... no shit, we identify as one of them, stupid.

>>8572823
>This is always such a retard statement when trying to trigger trannies.
Yeah, if anything we're more zealous than average LGBT person about there being two genders because that's literally what being trans is - going from one gender to the other.

Most "genderqueer" and "genderfluid" morons are teenage and young adult women that want to be part of LGBT (since it's now cool to be LGBT) so desperately that they invent shit and then try to join the group.

And this isn't some pointless elitism, I normally wouldn't care and I don't care for stuff like furries or whatever but "more than two genders" crowd hurts us directly by 1) invalidating our entire identity and the reason for transition 2) taking away spotlight and funding/support for trans causes and we're still BY FAR the most vulnerable LGBT group and 3) giving us a bad name by associating their vapid stupidity with us in the minds of normies.

>>8567897
>>8567897
>do you consider that fact you received male socialization moreso than HSTSes do an advantage or disadvantage?

So one, HSTS isnt a thing. Its part of a bullshit theory. I try to point this out as much as possible so people dont actually start believing Blanchard nonsense.

Two: Thats interesting because I feel like the "male socialization" Didnt really stick. I was more neutral/fem than any guy I know. Mostly thanks to nerd stuff and being autistic. The girls that I knew and would eventually become friends seemed way more butch than me but I was fairly quiet and reserved so its a little hard to tell if there was a proper difference.

>Do you consider masculine attributes/male socialization in an individual more important and "superior" to that of feminine attributes/female socialization?

This question is flawed because it works off of the assumption that translesbians wouldn't value having femine traits over male traits. Granted this entire thread is dripping with your smug, garbage human opinions and assumptions about transbians, cara.
By the way, have you given any thought to killing yourself? Im sure we would all appreciate you going through the effort of necking yourself.

>>8573169
>So one, HSTS isnt a thing. Its part of a bullshit theory.
WRONG

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>>8573206
yeah, i stopped reading there.

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>>8572874
Fucking this, gas non-binary scum

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>>8573206
>>8573215
Blanchard is a hack, this is known by basically everyone with a working brain who's ever heard of his bullshit ideas.

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>>8569946
Parents tried to shove science down my throat as a kid and basically groom me into a STEM nerd. I ended up majoring in computer science (lol stereotypes) and then dropping out because fuck that geeky shit. Now I'm a stereotypical basic white girl who believes in astrology and can't into math; I've actually retrained my brain to be bad at math because I don't want to be seen as "brainy". If a sciencey topic comes up, I pretend not to understand what anyone's talking about. And nobody questions it, because deep down, most people are pretty sexist. Most people aren't surprised if a woman is terrible at math.

The lesson here is that you are what you choose to do. If you choose to have stereotypically "male" hobbies like computer science, carpentry, etc., you can't really complain when somebody calls you masculine. It's not an insult, it's stating facts. Butch lesbians get called "masculine" all the time and I don't hear them whining about it.

trans lesbians can only expect to date other trans lesbians if they think male socialization is superior.

>>8573228
Blanchard is obviously right, this is known by literally everyone sapient.

>>8573737
>implying my dream isn't to be half of a hot transbian couple

>>8574087
So most of the scientific community that legitimately studies transpeople arent sapient.
....ok.

>>8570030
Yeah because you obviously didn't get socialized like a normal guy. You probably stood on the outside of friend circles and genuinely looked forward to class ending so you could go home and go on the computer. That's not any kind of gendered socialization. It's trans socialization.

The whole 'you got socialized as a boy!' argument when you probs hated it and sucked at physical education simply doesnt work. Most trans girls are pretty distinctly in that awkward gap between a male and female experience in life.

>>8573725
Yeah, rings a bell indeed. I started getting the hang of being bad at math before unversity though. But I ended up stumbling into majoring in Linguistics, which was quite comfortingly mostly to practically all female. Still, I wasn't fiercly focussed on the grade requirements for the speech language pathology type post secondary program - on the contrary, I swallowed the belief that it was a useless major. On the other hand, people should be able to accept women as accademically informed and nerdy in a language studies kind of way.

>>8574251
I wouldn't have expected someo- something like you to comprehend.

>>8571112
The whole usage of that term. It's pretty invalidating. Equating the two things together.

What isn't wrong with it? Shoving so many people into that crap just so that the botnet runners can have the best people producable to optimize their market dissection algorithms to the nth degree, and all the assholes cheerfully going along with that. And into rendering work, just so that they can spend countless billions regurgitating the same damn movies that the world's already seen over and over. And then they'll be out to get you just for having access to all this shiny shit, and nothing else will ever matter because it's all drowned out by the giant pile of whatever polygonal shit could be piled up, and you're nothing but a spiteful conniving brat if you anything wrong and not the shiny stream of pure right.

>>8574257
Explains me, I was a nerdy autist with AGP. Unfortunately I became a nerdy autist AGP trying to be a masc repressor.

>>8574225
it's honestly the best, would recommend/10

no cis bullshit, no insecurities because you both know what you're going through etc

>>8574790
>no insecurities
Double the hon bullshit and delusions.

>>8573725
>I've actually retrained my brain to be bad at math because I don't want to be seen as "brainy". If a sciencey topic comes up, I pretend not to understand what anyone's talking about. And nobody questions it, because deep down, most people are pretty sexist. Most people aren't surprised if a woman is terrible at math.
Jesus fucking Christ, no wonder cis feminists hate us.

>>8572650
You seem very confused. Psychology is the study of behavior and how it's caused and so on. So what you're saying is that the cause for male behavior is not maleness but the study of the causes of behavior for example maleness causing male behavior. Props for creating an infinite loop.

No Cara, I don't think I'm superior to feminine people. I've met plenty of piercingly intelligent women, women who can lead, etc, and I give equal respect to women and approach them as equal human beings.

I do think there can be advantages to male socialization if it gets you into a very well paying field like compsci but I don't think its inherently superior or anything

We keep having this talk Cara. I don't dislike women, I just have trouble understanding or relating to them

>>8574961
What? You can't have it both ways.

>be trans girl
>good at math and science
>hobbies include carpentry and auto repairs
>"lol that shit's for men, you have a male brain, you silly man!"

>be trans girl
>bad at math and science
>hobbies include cooking and sewing
>"you're just perpetuating stereotypes, women can be good at math! sexist!"

Society needs to decide what it wants to be. Either it's an egalitian utopia where anyone can be anything, or it's a traditionalist world where gender roles are strictly defined and enforced. You don't get to have it both ways, and unfortunately, society has always had a tendency toward the latter.

>>8567897
>I ended up majoring in computer science (lol stereotypes) and then dropping out because fuck that geeky shit. Now I'm a stereotypical basic white girl who believes in astrology and can't into math; I've actually retrained my brain to be bad at math because I don't want to be seen as "brainy". If a sciencey topic comes up, I pretend not to understand what anyone's talking about. And nobody questions it, because deep down, most people are pretty sexist. Most people aren't surprised if a woman is terrible at math.

I've thought of doing that myself, but computer science jobs pay well, transitioning is expensive, and programming is like painting to me.

The only problem is that I actually am pretty bad at math. Thankfully though, computers aren't.

>If you choose to have stereotypically "male" hobbies like computer science, carpentry, etc., you can't really complain when somebody calls you masculine. It's not an insult, it's stating facts. Butch lesbians get called "masculine" all the time and I don't hear them whining about it.

Unfortunately, when a trans woman is masculine, she's usually accused of being a man.

>>8575029
>I've met plenty of piercingly intelligent women, women who can lead, etc,
They were probably lesbians (male brains).

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>>8567897
There is no such thing as HSTS.

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>Trans lesbians, do you consider that fact you received male socialization moreso than HSTSes do an advantage or disadvantage?

.....what?

>>8574308
>I wouldn't have expected someo- something like you to comprehend.

Ewww. Middle school level smug condescension. Christ, man, grow up.

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>>8575711
Straight men always try to write things off as worthless and "not real" if it's not something that they directly experience, don't they?

>>8576827
>implying moap isn't arguing 100% like a woman, 'no u'

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>>8572394
the future is weird

I didnt get male socialisation.

>raised by poor and introverted cis lesbians
>father out of my life
>lived effeminately and only made girl friends
>grow up, shit at being a dude
>now a poor and introverted trans lesbian (i like men too though but im too afraid of them)
>everyone is surprised of my existence somehow because agp or whatever
what did you expect