Would HRT make me stop liking girls? I don't want to

Probably not but its been known to happen.

If you're currently at least a little into guys its more likely. And besides half of hrt is placebo anyway so if you believe it will it will~~~~

>>8557398
Whatever you perceive the sexual orientation to indicate wont change when you take hormones. If you think you would otherwise be illegitimate then you will be just as illegitimate no matter who you have sex with.

Don't forget that homosexual men in the closet have existed for a long time and still continue to exist. It's entirely possible for people to change some aspect of their sexual orientation but what is actually on the inside doesn't change. So it might change but you would just be in the closet.

I'm so fucking tired of the dumb shit on this board

I'm MtF. I am attracted to girls and not men. I've dated cis girls before and after transition and I'm currently in a 3 year relationship with a cis girl.

Girls don't hate mtfs outside of this stupid board. Bitter trannies want you to feel bad about yourself for no fucking reason so they make shit up or latch onto stupid fringe theories about bullshit in order to trick you into believing it.

>>8557398
Was like 90% into girls now I'm almost 100% into guys. I realised that my attraction to girls was actually my desire to be them rather then be with them.

>>8557398
What you're after is pseudo-bisexuality. Look into it.

Nothing wrong with being a transbian but it's been documented for HRT to change sexual orientation in some (perhaps they were just closeted, perhaps not)

Personally I was bi before HRT (mtf) but now I have no interest in girls

Sex with girls would just be awkward and gay

>>8557888
You must have misunderstood I didn't say I don't want to be persecuted for being a transbian, I said I didn't want to be a transbian.

well i really was mainly into guys before hrt but it was mainly sexual and stuff ye

but now after hrt i LOVE men i love how they look smell sound and their masc faces and i just want to be some chad's princess :333

>>8557990
Hormones don't change sexual orientation the only thing that has been documented is a change in expressed sexual orientation. That change could be due to any number of factors including but not limited to hormones but also peer pressure and social acceptability.

There are no studies done that show a drastic inversion of unconditional response in the presentation of sexual stimuli under the influence of hormones. If there was such a study that was repeatable and verifiable it would be nothing short of ground breaking.

>>8558039
Tell me why you don't want to be a transbian then

>>8558039
Nothing will change who you are but the only thing that can change in this is how you deal with yourself.

>>8558045
and also how smart they are and stuff and how they like to take control its just SO PERFECT

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>>8557681
>half of hrt is placebo

>Completely changing your hormonal system is placebo

You idiot.

>>8557398

no, it won't. The cases you've heard of are of bisexual trutrans that, once repression is over, start to experiment with their own sexual orientation, only to dicover they like men much more than they thought, because it was inside of them anyways, but they didn't let it develop because of repression.

Also, don't mistake true bisexuality with pseudobisexuality (blanchard did).

Some trutrans are bisex with a strong preference for men, most transbians are lesbians with a fake and/or weak attraction towards men that lets them have sex with them and still feel excited, somehow.

Don't be the trans who struggles to accept that she doesn't like men, instead of that, accept yourself, explore your sexuality, and enjoy who you are without prejudices. It's your life, you better enjoy it. And accept who you are, be in good terms with your self. You can change your prejudices but not your soul, so accept yourself, since you're the only person who's gonna be always with you the whole life.

Love!

>>8558096
The medical effects of hormone replacement aren't placebo but the psychological effects often are. Sometimes the placebo effect also exaggerates observations of physical changes.

>>8557990
this expresses pretty much this
>>8558096

Which happens to be my case too. I was bi before HRT, Never liked vaginas, tho, always LOVED penises. Once I felt free to be the way I wanted, attraction towards men unfolded, while attraction towards women went away.

Nowadays I can find a girl pretty, even kissable, but sex qith a girl would feel so awkward. In the other hand, I crave sex with hot men. No signs of AGP here. Bisexuality can happen in NON-AGP trans, but it behaves in strange ways.

>>8558110
To then deny you have AGP at the end after expressing how much you now love men actually delegitimizes your claims.

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>>8558136

Think what you want. I don't fucking care. I still consider myself bi, somehow. Just wanted to state that because most people thinks bi=AGP because 4chan mentality, blanchard, and actual prejudices.

There's nothing wrong with liking girls

>>8558153
Considering your story this is what would happen if you were interview by Blanchard back in the day. You would tell your story, he would politely listen and ask respectful questions, always being accommodating and polite. When the interview would end he would escort you to the door, shake your hand like one shakes the hand of a woman and then get back to his desk after you leave. He would take your file and the notes of the interview and place them in the AGP pile.

Your argument was fine until you used it as justification for not being AGP or being normal by any other words.

>>8557398
Try fucking with guys. If you'll like to ride dicks and do bj's - most likely attraction to girls shall disappear. If you discover, that you don't like to be fucked - you'll continue to like girls.

>>8558170
Not the same poster

Thats not what people mean when they say they aren't AGP any longer. If you are an autist who needs categories for everything in life yes you can safely classify us as AGP in your file for life since that does seem to be a pretty valid causal factor if not the only one.

But the actual experience of an AGP tranny is that after they have transitioned and are living full time for a few years AGP is not something that is at all descriptive of their experience. I have a pretty typical cis heterosexual sexuality, thoughts that you would classify as AGP don't happen nor are they arousing to me.

>>8558218
A gay guy who loses his sex drive is still gay.

>>8558161
but that woud be forbidden love!

>>8558259
Good god shut up turbo autist

>>8558218
Blanchard actually specifically defined a category of AGP that adopts heterosexual female norms in order to gain acceptance. If you make arguments like that poster did you're fitting that category. there's nothing autistic about it.

If you don't subscribe to the AGP typology then you don't need any argument or justification to which category you belong to. The problem seems to be most of you are confused about whether you subscribe to it or not.

>>8557398
My own subjective experience was that I thought I was bisexual pre-transition. I was only attracted to really feminine looking twinks/traps, and leaned towards attraction to women.

After transitioning, masculinity has become way more appealing visually. I don't get erections any longer but I feel like if I did looking at really masculine men would give me one, and that just wouldn't happen before, looking at dudes did nothing for me. It was a slow steady change of noticing that I was interested in masculine body features like biceps, buts, flat chests. It progressed to where it is now where I find masculine faces very attractive. I just like looking at handsome men whereas I didn't before. I really genuinely feel like something changed in my brain in this respect.

However, my sexuality is far less visual now. Porn isn't arousing like it was for me before. It's not just that I have a lower overall sex drive on HRT, I used to look at porn all the time pre-transition and required it to get off. Now I don't need it, I can get off through my thoughts and imagination alone in fact that is really the important component, I can't get off without some type of mental stimulation.

I just see women as potential friends now, at most all I am interested in is cuddling them, and I only ever feel jealousy(a lot unfortunately). And it's kind of mind blowing to me when I look back at my time as a guy and what I was into.

>>8558307
(continued)
Before transition I kind of felt like you do. I didn't want to be attracted to women, it felt invalidating to me. Now I feel like it was because the attraction was a barrier in developing platonic intimacy with them which I desperately craved. Also romantically I have always had a desire to be with a guy, the erotic component wasn't there though, and now it is I think.

I'm currently in a relationship with a complete bear of a man and I am absolutely crazy about him. My general experience with transition was I was extremely apprehensive and skeptical, but in the end I wound up more happy that I ever thought possible for myself.

I am trying to be as honest as possible with these posts and I hope it can help you because I think I felt similarly at one point. I am sure people in this thread will reinterpret my experience, and they may be right, I'm sure I am deluded at many levels but I try my best not to be.

tl;dr
I think sexual orientation is waaaaaay more complicated that cis people would have you believe and I would be skeptical of their opinions.

>>8558274
My point was you can label us whatever you want I understand your point. I don't really care if I am AGP.

I am merely stating that as an "AGP" I benefit from a more nuanced understanding of the phenomenon than what you are willing to look at. Many a tranny after transitioning do not experience what they would describe as AGP that is Autogynephelia as in the actual definition of the word and not any specific interpretation of it.

This isn't a refutation of blanchards typology, I think there is something to it for sure, but your dislike of nuance is a very autistic trait (systemic thinking).

>>8558320
I really don't care about your sexual orientation at all. If you have sex with women that's fine, if you have sex with men that's fine. I'm just explaining that when I see you guys self implicate yourselves it's the same as the Jeff Sessions debacle. It's never even about that until you make it about that.

Then it really makes you think what the hell was up with all that.

>>8558320
The term "AGP" is confusing because it refers to both a specific kind of fantasy and one of the two types of trans women (the type who can have the fantasies).

>>8558320
It's not dislike of nuance and it's not systemic neither autistic. Please stop misusing labels as attacks on people.

>>8558333
I don't think you have actually addressed my points at all or even read them for that matter.
You aren't educating anyone, this is a tranny thread on a tranny board.

We are looking at AGP from a non surface level view. And you are just repeating that blanchard would disreguard everything we say and stamp us as AGP, yea we fucking know. What is YOUR point?

Is it so hard to understand that an AGP would want to explore the concept on a tranny board?

>>8558343
Yes I know, I tried to make the point that Blanchard AGP is just one interpretation of the concept but >>8558333 can't seem to read

>>8558346
>AGPfag
>misusing labels
the irony

>>8558351
Like I've said you seem really confused about whether you subscribe to the AGP typology or not. Maybe you have a developmental disorder that prevents you from understanding how to communicate effectively. It could be that you're just not very good at reading and you don't understand what a typology is.

If you want to change all the definitions then feel free and go ahead but you can't force random strangers to accept your changes at face value.

>>8558356
It's not ironic because it's expected the same people use inappropriate name calling in more than one instance. Just take a look at the tranny thread they do it almost every other post.

>>8558369
You just keep repeating yourself, no one is refuting the fucking typology, and also >>8558343

>>8558382
The irony is simplifying austism into a meme and using it on a poster that is simplifying agp into a meme

>>8558389
That isn't irony. Also the poster that simplified autism into a meme is the same poster simplifying agp into a meme. The other poster is just stating facts about the terminology.

>>8558383
I don't care what your sexual orientation is. If you self implicate as matching an established pattern of AGP that's separate from your sexual orientation. Trying to redefine shit and making ad hominems just makes it look worse for you.

Stop hitting yourself dude.

>>8557888
Why would a cis lesbian/bi woman want an MtF when she can just find a cis woman instead?
I mean, most MtFs don't top, and leaving that aside, a girl with a vagina would be much better and versatile(sex-wise) than a girl with a penis in bed unless you have a dickgirl fetish or something.

>>8558747
>a girl with a vagina would be much better and versatile(sex-wise) than a girl with a penis in bed
???

>>8557398
Well I was ace before starting HRT so I don't know how much this helps

But girls made me uncomfortable to be around before, and now both girls and boys make me feel uncomfortable which just adds a whole new layer of social awkwardness for me