Does the overwhelming preponderance of mtf transpeople suggest

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The only people who think that are robots who don't have any priorities above getting laid.

>>8540094
no, because it's sure as hell not easier to live as a trans woman

and it's only an "overwhelming preponderance" on the internet outside of tumblr for socialization reasons, and appears that way in general because the media realized mtfs are more of a spectacle than ftms

>>8540100
Being a college educated millennial woman in the western world is fucking tutorial mode and is easier than literally anyone else at any point in human history.

>>8540111
You really need to get laid.

>>8540111
> I'm salty because women won't fuck me

>>8540128
>>8540112
I like cock

>>8540133
Well you need to go get some.

>>8540145
I already gave my trans gf a blowjob earlier.


But I digress. Women have life on ezmode and nobody has disproven this

>>8540106
>no, because it's sure as hell not easier to live as a trans woman
Not the point. The belief they'd be better off as women leads them to transition even though that won't give them the easymode experience entirely.

>>8540094
No, it just underscores that it's fucking biological, okay? Guess what else there is a preponderance of relating to transpeople? Having been gestated in females! In fact, I'll even dare to say that the corelation in this case is somewhat, sort of significantly greater!

So get your head out of the giant privilege-parrot's ass, and look at what's fucking obvious, mothers simply somehow transpose a certain chunk of themselves onto the child, which, surprise surprise, manage to contribute to transsexual compulsion.

>>8540149
Demonstrate some evidence, it's your claim.

>>8540106
This. It's almost a 50/50 split between FtM and MtF. It's not uncommon for certain surveys or online communities to be majority FtM.

>>8540112
>>8540128
VERY revealing that the first argument the "women struggle" mob comes up with, not just once but multiple people multiple occasions, is an ad hom attack.

>>8540173
Yeah because it's hard to click on /r9k/.

>>8540162
Prison pipelines
School enrollment, dropout, graduation
Earnings under 35
Suicide rates
Custody courts

>>8540094
clearly it's easier to live as a trans woman now than a couple of years ago when people only thought of trans women as thai ladyboys but it means that those ppl of which are disgusted by us are wiling to take more radical measures in order to eradicate us from existence.

also i should mention all of those remaining pending religious states in america can still fire someone for being trans soo things certainly aren't much easier yet.

>>8540202
But obviously MtF's all pass and definitely do not worry about passing or care or think about the discrimination they may face! The grass is always greener for women! Also FtM's don't exist.

https://youtu.be/Bq3yvQkG_3s

>>8540193
Why would they need to learn how to think rationally or objectively when they play tutorial mode?

>>8540111
Why do you use video game difficulty comparisons? You arent one of those people that like, faps to traps and mostly plays vidya but lurks /lgbt/ and calls MtF's mentally ill, are you?

>>8540275
Again? >>8540173

>>8540287
Tbh it's just weird that tutorial mode keeps being brought up. Reads like an /r9k/ thread.

Also don't fall into the trap of the fallacy fallacy :^)

>>8540294
>Reads like an /r9k/ thread.
Ad hom.

>Also don't fall into the trap of the fallacy fallacy :^)
You say that like there's any coherent point you and your fellow feminists have made at any time ITT.

>>8540309
>feminists
ad hom

>>8540309
[citation needed]

>>8540194
> muh custody courts
do some research, a lot of the time it's because the fathers didn't want sole custody. You guys act like deadbeat dads don't exist.

>post enrichment Europe
>women have it easier
Lmao /r9k/ up in here

>>8540202
>ppl of which are disgusted by us are wiling to take more radical measures in order to eradicate us from existence
honestly this is why I wish everyone would just shut up about trans women and let us live our lives. the activists are as much to blame as the haters

>>8540327
"""""""activists"""""

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>>8540355
Did I hit a nerve fag ?

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>>8540364
>when you are so autistic you care about names
Now I get why you are so focused on womyn having it easier

>>8540378
True but I still pass as one so I fail to see your point bucko

>>8540326
[citation needed]

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>>8540385
Crime statistics of Germany (PKS)
for example

>>8540389
Not seeing any citation for women having it worse yet.

>>8540311
>>8540320
>You say that like there's any coherent point you and your fellow feminists have made at any time ITT.

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>>8540393
>"I lack any argument quick just say cuck"
Pretty sophisticated
>>8540400
>"wobei frauen 87% der Opfer stellen"
Rape
And rape is after fraud of state aid the crime with the sharpest increase
QED they are the most affected group by rapefugees after the state and other rapefugees (since the rise in violent acts is only drastic in the victim being a migrant too section)

>>8540407
>feminists
ad hom :^)

>>8540428
American ?

>>8540094
Theoretically, however to benefit from system in any meaningful way requires more inteligence and less morals than average woman has.

>>8540412
>thinks muslims don't rape boys
>thinks a muslim didn't get off free after raping a boy because it was "a sexual emergency" and "he didn't know rape is wrong here"
>literally thinks being able to rape boys and walk free somehow means women have it worse

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>>8540450
Never said they don't rape boys dumbfuck
But according to the crime statistics they aren't the most affected group
Thus the notion of women having "easymode" or w/e you call it is wrong according to the data
Sort yourself out

>>8540460
>But according to the crime statistics they aren't the most affected group
[citation needed]

>>8540472
polizeiliche kriminalstatistik (PKS) of the German police
For the nth time

>>8540450
>>8540460
Heeeey now, can't we at least agree that Muslims are disgusting savages that deserve nothing short of cleansing by atomic fire?

>>8540476
You post the stats that prove it.

Of couse you won't because there aren't any and you're just cherrypicking numbers and misinterpreting them to get the conclusions you've predetermined.

>>8540497
Of course they are and the fact that nations like Germany let them rape boys and get away with it is one of the many resons you have it worse in Germany if you're male.

>>8540502
How about you just read it yourself instead of me providing numbers and you ignoring them or calling cherry picked because they don't fit your narrative polack ?

>>8540511
>I make my decision who has it worse based on newspapers instead of the raw data
Oh boy we are done

>>8540513
>everyone who disagrees with me on anything is /pol/
>cherrypicking isn't cherrypicking because i agree with it
>the onus of proof for my claims is on the person disagreeing with me
>literal evidence doesn't count
Feminist tripfags everybody!

>>8540497
>Me

>>8540511
From what I've seen, they let muzzies rape everyone and get away with it. From little boys to women. There are too few convictions for the massive amounts of rape happening and it's disgusting, regardless of which gender is 'getting it worse'.

>>8540533
I gave you toe citation dumbfuck
Just str-f it
How hard can it be

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>>8540569
>caring if someone likes you
>on 4chan

>>8540413
Feminism is an insult because of the people it refers to. Look at yourself if you want that to change.

>>8540100
Not about getting laid. It's about how you are treated by others and opportunities provided, because of potentially instinctive and subconscious behavior that favors women in general.

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>>8540094
IM FUCKING SICK OF THIS REASONING

YOU DONT BECOME WOMEN

BEING TRANNY IS HELL

EVEN YOUNG TRANSITIONERS SUFFER

BEING 20+ "TWINKHON" IS ENDLESS HELL

>>8540874
>>8540151

>>8540874
nah its not hell its more like an uncomfortable purgatory

Black guy here


Love it when white women think they have it harder than men, let alone us

why do you think so many mtfs who don't even pass rush into threads like these to defend female honor?

it rly activates the neurological processes

>>8541282
They subconsciously want to benefit from female privilege

>>8541284
>subconsciously

>>8540158
>privilege parrot
What the fuck even is this response keksu

>>8540151
Idiot, we don't do it because we believe being a woman is better or easier. We do it because in our minds we are women and medically/socially change what can be to become as close to women as possible.

>>8540094
The ease of my life has not changed. I've lived as MtF for 10 years. My outlook on it, my emotional/mental state and overall happiness has improved, but it is not any easier or harder. Men holding the door open for me is the only bonus I got out of it. I've since been the victim of stalking, sexual harassment and domestic battery.

>>8541371
I've been a victim of all of those things too and I am a man

>>8541371
When did you transition

>>8541371
>we don't do it because we believe being a woman is better or easier
[citation needed]

>>8541384
>what is math
2017 - 10 = 2007

>>8541382
That's my point. Being a woman or a man doesn't make anything easier or harder. As a boy I suffered from violent bullying. I faced good and bad in both experiences.

>>8541411
Maybe you should learn the basics of Gender Identity Disorder.

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>>8540094

4chan has a
>preponderance
of MTFs

but tumblr is where to go for the
>preponderance
of FTMs

Ur biased, Maine.

>>8541500
Maybe you should admit you're a failed male instead of making excuses.

>>8541432
Please tell me this is fake.

>>8540094
I honestly don't think they have much connection with eachother. As someone already said, being trans itself is making life harder. It is definitely easier to be a woman in the western world these days though. Feminism has made it so they have all the privileges of being a man, but with none of the responsibilities.

>>8541703
Well, if women weren't privileged it would be 1 in 2

>>8541714
Touche.

>>8540325
I love how you think that pointing out one flaw in his argument will magically invalidate the entire thing.

Even if it is the case that a lot of fathers don't want custody, the ones who do are still fucked over because women are given preferential treatment in court regardless of what they're in court for. They could be on trial for assault or robbery and they'd still get a lighter sentence than any man would.

And to add to his argument, the much higher rate of suicide really speaks for itself, especially when you consider than men have significantly higher rates of unemployment and homelessness too.

>>8541687
Fuck off back to /pol/, retard.

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>>8541743
The children are normally given to the mother because traditionally women didn't have jobs and were the primary caregivers for the children.
Also it was usually the men who cheated on the women creating the divorce in the first place.
Most judges know that a woman has less earning power so making her the primary bread winner is going to be a financial disadvantage to the family.
And expecting the father to be a good caregiver when most men hate cooking and cleaning and see it as beneath them is a recipe for failure.
You can bitch about sexism, but men and women are different.
It isn't "privilege" that causes women to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
It is biology.

>>8540111
Only if you're white and at least middle class.

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>>8541908
True, but being a female minority is still easier than being a male minority, especially if you are black

Here are the rankings for the USA/Canada

Tutorial: Middle Class White Women
Easy Mode: Asian Men and Women (>implying poor Asians)
Normal Mode: Middle Class White Men, Poor White Women, Middle Class Latinos, Middle Class Blacks
Hard Mode: Black Women, Latina Women, Poor White Men
Dante Must Die Mode: Poor Black Women, Poor Latino Men
Heaven or Hell: Poor Black Men

You also have to weigh based on lgbt shit

Easiest: Bisexual Women, Lesbian
Average: Gay, Bisexual Men, FTM
Hardest: MTF, Tumblr Genders (but they bring it on themselves)

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>>8541899
>The children are normally given to the mother because traditionally women didn't have jobs and were the primary caregivers for the children.

Women have been responsible for raising, educating, and instilling values in children for centuries yet the Patriarchy exists.

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>>8541899
The passed two generations have lived through record rates of family divorce and single motherhood. You wanna know why Millennials and Gen Z are so beyond fucked up?

Men:
>Kill themselves in gangbusters numbers
>Vast majority of homeless
>Expected to be funny, personable, hard working, physically fit, stoic, and compromising otherwise considered a failure
>Die from stress related causes 6x more than women
>Still only ones required to be drafted
>Your weakness is mocked and unattractive
>Dropping out of school and not going to college at alarming rates
>Earn less money than women if they are a millennial or younger
>Expected to still be the social initiators with women and in general
>Problems are because you made them
Women:
>Have to pay for tampons sometimes and go through childbirth if they want
>Can be intellectually vapid and uninteresting as long as they aren't fat
>Your weakness gets you support and attraction
>Problems are because men made them

>>8542031
How do single fathers compare?

>>8541962
>Poor Black Men

Living on welfare in section 8 housing all your life isn't ideal but it is really easy mode.
I mean all they have to do is hang out on the street corners, sell some weed to make some cash and fuck bitches.
I wish my life was that simple.

>>8542073
Section 8 housing isn't anything if you are a single man. You only get benfits if you are a single women with keedz. Families can get welfare but don't usually need it, even black ones.

You can get food stamps but only like 20 dollars a week.

t. Black guy that used to be homeless, raised by a single mother, and amassed a mountain of student debt to climb out and get a job.

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>>8542049

>>8542082
well most black men live with a hoe or their mother.
i'm guessing you were homeless because you're gay?
otherwise you could have found a fat bitch that you could live with and cheat on.

regardless, congratulations for making it out and doing something with your life.
you deserve a good life and it sounds like you've found it.

t. white guy who used to be homeless and amassed a mountain of student debt and is now living with parents because i can't get a job

>>8542108
>i'm guessing you were homeless because you're gay?

Yes. I was kicked out at 16 and finished high school living in a shelter with no money. My family had no money either living in the ghetto on the west side of Chicago.

Even if I was straight I wouldn't fuck some white hambeast for scraps as I have dignity.

>>8542082
Gg =)

>>8542108
>I can't get a job
Can't never could do nothing.

>>8542098
>Telling it how it is
>Must be smoking crack

>>8540460
Aren't men in america the victims of sexual violence and rape more often to women once you take prison statistics into account?

>>8542395
Even without prison statistics, consider how underreported rape and domestic abuse by women must be.

>>8542395
yes, but prisoners deserve it.
it is part of their punishment.

>>8542448
Then why are female prisoners letting off easy?

We need mixed gender prisons so they can get raped too.

>>8543747
they get raped by the female prison guards with billy clubs in the showers.
everybody knows that.

>>8543788
Proof?

>>8543794
Do you even Russ Meyer?

http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?director=Russ+Meyer&perpage=20

>>8542448
>yes, but prisoners deserve it.
>it is part of their punishment.
t. Feminist America

>>8540094
Life as a woman being easier is a meme that has been going around the internet for at least 20 years. I wouldn't put too much stock into it and there's plenty of evidence that women experience hardships that men don't. One area in which women are more vulnerable and likely to be the target of harassment and interference is online.

>>8540094
Of course it is. Women get away with crime a lot more, they get exclusive scholarships, they are defended by beta simp orbiters, and they benefit from quotas and affirmative action.
They can even marry a man, cuck him and then take half of his shit.
But you know, girl power and inference as they recieve a monthly alimony check for 5 grand as they work at a made up welfare job in human resources talking about diversity and privilege and synergy at Apple and earn 50k a year.
The pussy pass is a great thing to have.

>>8546339
Hahahahaha
Fucking hell you cunt grow up. You sound like Anita crying to the un to curb free speech because MUH ONLINE HARASSMENT MUH SOGGY KNEE

>>8546361
If you're trying to refute me then why does your post just prove me right?

>>8546339
>is a meme
k

>>8546364
If your claim is that women need feminism because people call them on their shit online, then you've just proven how unneeded feminism is.

>>8546302
>Goes in for Theft
>Gets brutally raped by 'Big Burt'
>Deserved getting rectum broken

Makes sense, right?

>>8540173
But it was a call to go do some research. Men complain about women, but the moment they get laid they become white knights. The truest hatred one can have for women is to willingly transition into one so you never have to date them ever again, because when a MTF goes to fuck a woman, they realize it was a horrible mistake and still felt the same resentment afterwards. Men don't actually hate women in a loathing, uncaring way; they hate women in a way that is like... tied up completely in their love and obsession with women. Its resentment for not getting the things they desire.

>>8541284
They have and always will unconsciously hate and be jealous of women; just like cis women hate each other, but worse.

>>8542049
Trannies and men share high suicide rates, Realize that being a man is endless work, and then even if you believe transitioning will make life a cake walk, you spedn the rest of your days working hard to be something most people insit you are not. Being MTF is Man + 1 difficulty. Cis women have it easy, sure, but they aren't exactly handing out privileges for us MTFs. Everything you listed for men is literally applicable to MTFs, especially
>Your weakness is mocked and unattractive
and
>Expected to still be the social initiators with women and in general
literally describing every man I've dated since transition.

>Expected to be funny, personable, hard working, physically fit, stoic, and compromising otherwise considered a failure
If you're a cis woman, it's so easy even if you're shit, but if youre a sterile tranny with bad hair, you get treated just like a fucking man. You have to overwhelm your disgusting conetits with magical energy of being relatable and awesome at everything.

Being MTF might as well just be called "male with tits."

>>8540111
Yes, surely it's easier than mid-tier nobility who never had to do a thing in their entire life.

>>8542049
>Expected to be funny, personable, hard working, physically fit, stoic, and compromising otherwise considered a failure

Yep, everyone definitely cares a lot about Bill Gate's sense of humour, personality, and physical fitness. If he didn't have all those we'd all think he's a complete failure.

You're utterly insane if this is what you actually believe. Being funny, charming, attractive, etc are just things that people generally like to see in other people regardless of gender, of course a man with more of those qualities will generally be seen more positively, but to say they're a failure unless they can succeed at all of them is completely ridiculous.

>Your weakness is mocked and unattractive
True, but conversely women are mocked and considered unattractive for being strong, both in the physical and metaphorical sense.

I mostly agree with the rest of your points, but these two are just ridiculously out of touch with general society.

Women and men have different disadvantages and advantages, neither is a directly superior state of being than the other. A man may be derided for being weak and passive but a woman will be equally derided for being strong and assertive.

>>8546339
>Women are more likely to be the target of harassment online
[citation needed]
Also wow women have to deal with online harassment that is in no way a lesser cross to bear than fighting and suffering and dying on foreign soil.

>>8546658
>Men complain about women, but the moment they get laid they become white knights. The truest hatred one can have for women is to willingly transition into one so you never have to date them ever again
Very interesting.

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No it's because anime and similar convinced boys that they should take hormones until their fuck doesn't work.

The Sabres suck and so does this thread

>>8540094
Yes.

>tfw mtf and life has gotten so easy since i started being perceived as a girl its not even funny and i dont even feel like i have to put any effort in anything to get what i want anymore

o i am laffin

>>8555112
Easy how? Tell everything.

t. doesn't get perceived as a girl

I think the easiest way to answer this question is to think of it as, "Is it harder in 2017 to live as a man?" Which is obviously and indisputably untrue. It has always been easier to live as a male, particularly a cis male. Despite efforts in the last century to change this, it has regrettably been unchangable as of yet. The point is, that just because your gender is not being fought for does not mean that you're being repressed or otherwise had your life be made harder.

>>8558353
>"Is it harder in 2017 to live as a man?" Which is obviously and indisputably untrue.

>It has always been easier to live as a male

>>8558353
>its always be easier to live as a man
>women get a shit ton of money from divorce and almost always get the kids
>men are expected to work
>men are abused in relationships more and have less support
>even if a man calls the police after being abused by his wife/girlfriend hes arrested

nah, it's just easier for transphobes to use scare-tactics with mtfs than ftms cuz of radfems and "bathroom fear." also, mtfs usually don't pass as well so they're easier to read.

>>8558831
Question, what's your agenda in pushing the baseless narrative mtfs can't possibly be treated worse?

>>8546748
>but a woman will be equally derided for being strong and assertive.


100% lies strong women are fetishized by modern society

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>>8555112
Isn't it the fucking truth though?

>Pre-HRT
>Awkward
>Mediocre looking
>Constantly have a hard time making friends
>Put a lot of effort into my hobbies and skills
>Little to no support or recognition for them
>On the times that I have had a GF they treat me like garbage or leave when they get bored of me
>Life fucking sucks

>Post-HRT
>Pass
>Still awkward
>Still mediocre looking
>People trip over themselves to invite me to hang out or do things
>Suddenly socializing is the easiest thing ever
>Easily gain friends
>My hobbies and skills are now praised by people who see them
>Going steady with a boyfriend that would go through hell and back for me
>Seriously the easymode meme is real

>>8540094
Overall it's not, but it's easier to live as a trans woman (if you pass, at least) than as a cis feminine male. So a lot of people who now live as mtfs are probably actually cis femboys. The tendency is likely reversed with AFAB people, since it's fairly acceptable to be a butch woman (even if straight), and some dysphoric AFABs might find it worthwhile to live as such rather than deal with all the complexities of being trans.

>>8559037
>So a lot of people who now live as mtfs are probably actually cis femboys.
What does cis even mean if they're happier transitioning?

>>8540173
It's not an ad hom attack though. They're not saying "you're an inferior person because you don't have sex", they're saying that you lack the experience to speak with authorities in such matters. That's by definition not an ad hom attack - it's only an ad hom if the "criticism" is IRRELEVANT to the matter being discussed.

>>8541998
And if the husband ever didn't like how they were raising the children, they were free to kick them out and basically doom them to starvation or a life of poverty. Your argument is like saying that slavery can't exist because the slaves are doing most of the labor and therefore are somehow "in power".

>>8547370
>Also wow women have to deal with online harassment that is in no way a lesser cross to bear than fighting and suffering and dying on foreign soil.
You do realize that marital rape has been legal more recently than the last time men were drafted in America, right?

>>8559087
>my argument from authority is not an ad hom!

>>8559077
I'm defining "cis" in terms of having actual physical gender dysphoria. If femboys transition for a fetish or just because they want to look feminine, without actually having dysphoria, then I'd say they're cis. Basically, if they lived in a truly genderless society where the only difference between men and women was biological, they wouldn't need to "transition" but trans people still would.

>>8559102
>actual physical gender dysphoria. If femboys transition for a fetish
No, the "fetish" reason to transition does include dysphoria.

It's HSTS transitioners who are cis.

>>8559098
Contrary to popular belief, "argument from authority" is not a fallacy. "Argument from IRRELEVANT authority", however, is. Likewise, ad hom fallacy only occurs if you're criticizing someone on a basis that is NOT relevant to the legitimacy of argument they're making.

>>8559102
Eh, do you think that most femboys really go so far are to truly transition though?
I've found it easier to simply go stealth & be a fem male at work & formal events, myself with people I'm comfortable with.

t. femboy castrated & on bica

>>8559105
The authority in this case is irrelevant, that's the whole point.

>>8559117
So you think literally every person is equally qualified to decide whether women have it easier than men or not?

>>8559144
So you think only women are?

Your bias is showing.

>>8559157
No, I'm NOT saying only woman are, because the "logic" that would justify such a claim would imply that only men could understand the difficulties that men face, and therefore that ONLY people who have lived both as women and as men would be able to compare them. What I AM saying, however, is that people that do not have much experience with people not of their own gender will lack the actual experience to make that judgement, and are more likely to fall for memes.

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>>8559087
>mfw leftists will literally defend >>8540112 >>8540128 as legitimate arguments