I'm dating a trap now She's been on hormones for like

post pics

>>8534169
Fuck off tbhfam.
If you post a picture of a trap on the internet, it's all ogre, everybody knows that.

>>8534170
Most mtfs here and beautiful and they don't even know it

>>8534186
Yeah but why betray somebody's trust and put pictures of them on the internet?
Some people are OK with being out there, some are not.
And yeah, if the voice passes, everything passes. That's the metric I use.
I never browse this board so idk how the traps look. I was never really into traps, I just accidentally fell in love with one.

>>8534170
>all ogre
How so? Also how old is she?

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>>8534165
>I'm dating a trap now

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ok fine this is her

>>8534255
damn she is cute af, i hope she said it was okay for you to post her pic on 4chan otherwise you are kind of an asshole.

>>8534255
T W I N K H O N
A E S T H E T I C S

I hope you die for posting her picture here, filthy dishonest chaser.

>>8534255
This is not OP
I'm OP
She's cuter than that and doesn't color her hair.

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>>8534313
>"gonna post my transfu i fap to every day, see how people are gonna respond"
>"oops they hate her, better say it wasn't me!"
Sure, bud.

>>8534385
I think he's telling the truth. That girl looks like somik-chan, who's cis pretending to be trans

>>8534385
Why would I say I'm not posting pics and then post a pic?
I made this thread to say I no longer think traps should go to the ovens, not betray people's trust.

>>8534406
you're still calling trans people traps though, so your sincerity is questionable.

>>8534427
She calls herself a trap though

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>>8534433
wat why are they a pornstar wtf

>>8534448
Nah.
They won't even take lewd pics, we only get lewd in person

>>8534455
are they foreign? it's kind of weird to call yourself that.

>>8534459
No they're American.
On imageboards and in video games they're generally referred to as traps. Saying trans is more normie I guess

>>8534194
Just leave out the face. Who cares?

Never disclose her infofmation. She belongs to you and is lucky to have someone. Never betray her, keep her close. Now leave here forever and live your life

>>8534479
>they're generally referred to as traps
yeah when they're describing men who dress as women to trap men into sex
>video games
wat

>Saying trans is more normie I guess
not really, they're different things, transwomen aren't traps and traps aren't transwomen.

>>8534165
>bigot becomes less of a bigot via personal anecdotal experience
really making me think over here

>>8534540
>early transitioner finds loving partner because their body didnt go through a male puerberty

>>8534562
>bigot whose attitude keeps people from transitioning early learns to love people who transitioned early

>>8534562
How do you know she transitioned early?

>>8534571
>>8534566
I think they just assumed, but they assumed correctly.
She was actually on black market hormones because her parents didn't approve, she's only been on real ones for like 2ish years now.
And desu, I still don't think doctors should give hormones to kids willy nilly. If somebody really knows who they are in their soul, they can make themselves that person through determination.

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>>8534571
>voice is really feminine
>passes so well she made op think not all trans are bad

>>8534566
Cry harder hon. Were all in the same boat. Some of us jump off earlier before others do

>>8534571
>passes

>>8534588
I'm not sure what you're trying to say to me. Do you think I don't like early transitions or think they're a good thing?

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>>8534584
>If somebody really knows who they are in their soul, they can make themselves that person through determination.
What anime you get that one from?

>>8534604
The anime in my head called autism.

>>8534584
When did she start?

>>8534614
Like 14-15 I think

>>8534596
Im imaging some fairy tale about the ocean and dsyporia. Theres a fairy tale for everything, why not transgenders..

>>8534616
So she bought hormones online in 2007 then. Looks like the hons here have no excuse to say they couldn't have known 10 years ago. How did she find out?

>>8534604
Anon isnt wrong. Those that are brave are worthy to transition early, in a romanticised sense..

>>8534617
I mean I sort of got it; I'm just trying to figure out what the point is.
Is this like a kinda titanic situation except where you want to make fun of the people that didn't jump off before the iceberg hit?
>>8534625
What the fuck?

>>8534625
Doctors giving hormones to confused 12 year olds is fucked, because most of them aren't even actually trans. To buy hormones illegally shows that a person actually believes in what they're doing, which is something I respect.
>>8534624
She says it was always there.

>>8534616
Wow, that's impressive. I'm happy she was able to figure herself out so young.

>tfw I almost came out at 14 but got too scared
>tfw I still started transitioning at 19 so it's semi ok
>tfw still sad about what could have been

>>8534638
This thread is making me dsyphoric.. good night

>>8534637
>Doctors giving hormones to confused 12 year olds is fucked, because most of them aren't even actually trans.
Could you give me some sources on
1. How easily doctors give hormones to 12 year olds (i.e. what is the process here; hoops [or lack thereof] that the kid and his parents have to jump through)
2. The rate at which these kids that would make it through the process would later turn out not to be trans.

>>8534659
I don't give enough of a shit to give you any sources.
Im just saying transitioning is a huge step and shouldn't be trivialized or taken lightly.

>>8534637
>Doctors giving hormones to confused 12 year olds
doesn't happen, at most kids get blockers that delay puberty
>because most of them aren't even actually trans
bullshit

>>8534672
literally nobody takes it lightly you fucking moron

>>8534646
Why is it making you dysphoric?
>>8534637
>it was always there
Oh, sorry, I meant to ask how she found out how to get hormones

>>8534255
this is a semi e famous israeli camwhore, she is trans, but it's not op's gf

>>8534682
Internet I guess. Where else?

>>8534659
Hormones at 12 is not accepted medical practice. Young adolescents will often go on blockers to delay puberty and allow for both best HRT results and a more-or-less standard puberty should they change their minds. This group usually starts HRT at 16-18. The WPATH Standards of Care[1] outline recommended practices for medical practitioners.

A majority of those who may identify with the opposite gender as *kids* eventually desist in their cross-gender identification and become gay and lesbian adults. This is why early HRT is dangerous. The main study informing this practice[2] found an 84% desistance rate for children diagnosed with GID/GD by ages 14-18; however, it's been criticized for its small sample size of 25 and possibly failing to distinguish between those with gender dysphoria, those who were only interested in social transition, and those who were simply gender nonconforming.

[1] http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1351
[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21216800

>>8534689
I guess the common excuse among non passing late transitioners here is that such information wasn't readily available then, so i was just curious about what resources she used

>>8534672
Where do you get the idea that it's being trivialized or taken lightly?
>>8534702
Thanks for the sources; I'll check 'em out. Hopefully a larger study is in the works.

>>8534165
sn: Link's Awakening is a fantastic game. Crazy how small the world looks by modern standards

>>8534759
Yeah, that's what a lot of people are hoping for. One upside of the trans issue being in the media more prominently is that it might be easier to get funding for transgender-related studies, but with the current administration, who knows.

>>8534764
Sure felt huge at the time eh?

>>8534797
yeah, for sure. I think the small screen helped it feel bigger. But when you think about it, this is maaaybe the size of the Great Plateau in BOTW.

>>8534165
Shut the fuck up, we are! You just can't see it because your kind are hopeless fucking degenerates too, gamer!

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>>8534165

>when I keep getting reminded only early transitioners pass well enough to get straight men to date them

>>8534566

Fair point. Makes me bitter.

>>8534165
>trap
I hope you get forced on hormones, cis scum.

>>8534646

Story of my life.

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>>8534194
>And yeah, if the voice passes, everything passes.

W-wow....

>>8534637
This is ridiculous. When I started puberty I didn't even know that trans people existed, much less how to get hormones illegally. /lgbt/ didn't exist back then, and I'm not sure if I could have found those resources by myself. I just isolated myself and couldn't understand why I felt the way I did. I still have no idea how people can get controlled substances illegally.

>>8534165
>I'm dating a trap now
>calling a transwoman a trap
please kill yourself

>>8539273
/lgbt/ didn't, but other resources did. There was /cd/, websites, and irc channels that discussed this. People have no excuse for not knowing until now, honestly. It was always a simple google search away. And if you were determined enough, you would have waded through trash like susans and found the proper resources. QHI even existed since the early 2000s, and tsroadmap existed since the 90s.
Hons made their bed. Now they can lie in it. Fortune favors the bold.

t. transitioned at 14 before /lgbt/ and r/asktransgender.

>>8539228
>Story of my life.
Why? Whats' your story, anon?
>>8539198
iktf though. I'd read stories on Reddit about trans and cishet relationships, and just about all of them transitioned at or before 14.

>she
>her
>when someone else's mental illness makes you mentally him
*he
*his

>>8534638
same :( T had kinda ravaged me by 14 but since I would still be going through late puberty my bone structure could've still had a chance to feminize.

>>8539465
>just about all of them transitioned at or before 14
REEEEEEE I just want a straight bf :(

>>8534165
>I thought you were all deranged degenerates
Yes, and nothing changed. You just became one of them.

>>8539375
>t. transitioned at 14
>>8539465
>just about all of them transitioned at or before 14.

One year ruined my entire life.... Up to 80 years ruined by one single year of people not giving me what I needed....

>>8539375
This kind of black/white absolutist thinking is really annoying. Please understand that life is complicated and that not everyone has the same experience as you. It's hard to be "determined enough" when you don't even understand the issue and your entire image of transpeople is 50 year old crossdressers. Like I'm glad you understood everything early and it worked out for you but why hold animosity for people that didn't?

>>8534165
I really need to play Link's Awakening again.

>>8541808
Literally all you needed to do was google "i want to be a girl" and you'd get pictures of non-hons. Honestly, if you couldn't get past the media stereotypes and keep looking, you'd be in a much better place today. But you didn't. That's why hons deserve what they get.

>>8541808
>>8542067
Oh, and as for why the animosity, it's because unpassing trans people (especially those with significant male socialization, although these two come hand in hand) give the community a terrible name. And despite living their lives as male for so long, and without even looking like women, they demand others to respect their pronouns. This in spite of their years of male pricks compared to the suffering and bullying endured by younger transitioners.

>>8542067
Once again, it's hard to think critically about an issue that you don't understand especially when it's about your gender identity and you're going through one of the most turbulent periods of your life. Also, going past this specific issue, I think the general morality/idea of people "deserving what they get" for not realizing something is a pretty disgusting way to think.
I think the issue of unpassing people demanding pronouns is a real one that deserves discussion, but look at it like this: there are going to be unreasonable people in just about any group, you just happen to be able to see the unreasonable people in the later transitioner group because they are unreasonable in this specific way. That doesn't mean that the group necessarily is more unreasonable as a whole, just that they have a chance to show it.

>>8542067
By the way, one of the ways to spy unreasonable people in just about any group is that they act awful to people not in their group.

>>8542084
Male privilege* my apologies
>>8542139
The difference is that some explored their feelings and uncertainties, while others repressed it. Those who repressed it made that conscious choice.

>>8542173
So just to get it straight, you have a problem with anyone that has repressed issues and think they deserve unhappiness?

>>8542173
Also if you think that people deserve terrible things to happen to them based on their decisions as children, do you think we should remove age of consent laws?

>>8542193
>do you think we should remove age of consent laws?
No, and it's also irrelevant. Children cannot vote or give consent (nor should they), but they should always be allowed to explore their own gender identity. The sense of self is evident in children, while elements of judgment are not.
>>8542185
No, I wish them happiness, but they can't blame the times for their current predicament unless they experienced puberty before the 2000s. The resources were always there.

>>8542213
Age of consent laws are in place because children can't properly make decisions. If children were rational actors then age of consent laws would be irrelevant. I don't think you can discard the elements of judgement like a sense of self is all that matters when it comes to dealing with issues of the self. That makes no sense.
Sure they can. Society massively effects people's lives, and if being born in a society that hasn't fully come to terms with trans issues means that certain percentage of people will transition at a later point, then I think it's reasonable to "blame" society for this. Just look at stuff like gender imbalances in things like STEM and how massively they've shifted as we've evolved as a society. There are tons of women going into subjects like math and physics that wouldn't have even realized that it was an option for them a hundred years ago. The times has a huge effect on people, and I think we have trouble dealing with this because it makes us realize how arbitrary we are and it hurts our sense of agency.
You're also kind of just ignoring people in situations where being open about their gender identity could massive hurt them as kids depending on their family situation. Also ignoring people without easy access to things like the internet. The internet wasn't nearly viewed nearly the same ubiquitous thing in 2000 as it is now. I, no joke, remember a neighborhood kid making fun of me for using the internet to get information in like 2005.

>>8542266
viewed as nearly*
I am going to go buy some plants, so I won't be here for this e-argument for a bit.

>>8542266
Except if you couldn't recognize your gender identity, in spite of environments, you clearly didn't have enough dysphoria. And I was raised in an unaccepting environment as well. I had to hide it from my parents until emancipation at 16, all while being bullied in school. And i worked on top of that, and tutored as well. I had to claw my way to where i am today. Passing and being pretty is my reward. Hons who didn't go through that don't deserve to be treated on the same level as passers, especially passers who worked hard and suffered for it.

>>8539375
Holy fuck, early transitioners are insufferable cunts.

>>8542493
>waaahh my parents were fag beaters that means the gods deserve to give me beauty on a silver platter

Enjoy that "hard-won" beauty in ten years bimbo.

>>8543038
It's just that one poster. She brags about her neovag a lot. It's pretty sad IMO, to have nothing in your life so hard you need to brag on a tibetan knitting forum about how your dick got inverted because you knew what Google was in 2006. Honestly, makes me never want to date a single transperson if they're going to be this petty and vindictive over the shallowest of reasons.

>>8542493
Well firstly we aren't talking about simply "[recognizing] your gender identity", we're talking about people who transition later as a whole. This includes those who recognized their identity at an earlier age but, due to circumstance, either did not pursue HRT or were not allowed to pursue HRT.
But let's accept your premise and say that some of them just "didn't have enough dysphoria", if that's the case you're making then okay, but I'm not sure what the point you're making is. That they deserve to look bad because they didn't feel as bad as you did as a kid?
Your story makes sense; it seems like you have some fairly serious issues about your treatment as a child and are taking it out on others who didn't have to go through what you did. I'm sorry that you had to go through that, and I'm glad that you now pass; but once again I'm not sure what the point is. You had to work hard to pass so they don't deserve to? I'm not sure what you mean by "treated on the same level". Basic respect and human dignity is the level you should treat everyone with; regardless of their appearance.

>>8543045
To be fair, she's still going to pass and be reasonably attractive in her 30s if she passes and is attractive now. Can't say the same for non-passers, sadly ;_;

>>8543110
Not that poster, but I think the point was that like all people her beauty will fade with age.

>>8543057
There's others who are similar. The lack of empathy sickens me

>>8543110
By the 30's no amount of good aging will preempt the fact that men are settling down and they want a womb. They will tolerate wrinkles on a woman that will have their children. They won't tolerate them on a transwoman no matter how early you started.

Just some hard facts. Sorry you're all in this shitstorm together unlike what your high school level clique divisions would allow.

>>8542084
If you started at 14 and you're perfectly passing now, then why are you here? I'm here because I started at 15 and I don't want to subject other women to my presence, but if you started at 14, you should be fine right? So what's your excuse?

>>8543145
because nobody has ever not had children amirite?

>>8543189
Antinatalists are invariably polyfag too. Enjoy open relationships. I bet you would like that, though...

>>8543137
Lack of empathy comes from chronic depression. Take solace in the fact that nothing she says can compare to how badly she feels inside.

>>8543197
> antinatalists
jfc