Is it possible to be a chaser without being disrespectful or

>>8527384
just go to craigslist near any major city, EZPZ

>>8527407

No, because I want more than ten minutes of disgusting "sex" with some desperate, drugged-up, middle-aged, diseased-ridden Craigslist prostitute in a wig.

I want a meaningful relationship in which we can talk about things that matter and cuddle and laugh and hold hands without it feeling unnatural.

Why is that so hard to find?

>>8527425
Good luck, can't even find that in a str8 ship, might find luck with a homogenized relationship tho

>>8527437

Homogenized relationship? Is that an autocorrect of homosexual?

tfw no cute gf

tfw no cute bf

tfw no cute tgf with whom to look up at the night sky, fingers laced, and feel alone and insignificant and confused 'but at least we have each other', and then maybe soft hugs and fugs

how do i even begin to resolve this

>>8528020
idk but fwiw im in the same spot as a tranny

>>8527384
The whole point of a 'chaser' is that it's someone into trans girls AND creepy about. A non-creepy chaser is not a chaser.

>>8527384
You want a broken mirror, and love it for its cracks. You don't see why that would make someone uncomfortable? Most of them don't want you to want them for being trans; they want you to want them for being a woman. If there are any aspects of androgyny which attract you, those are things they've actively attempted to suppress, hide or plain cut off. Why would your sincerity endear them to you, when you love something about them that they not only hate, but which alienates them from their own body. It doesn't matter that you're genuine. It doesn't matter that you want to live happily ever after in a romantic dream. For a typical tranny, a partner harboring such feelings is a nightmare. They're not all like that. But that's the reason trannies abhor "chasers" and wish for a man to fall in love with them before ever knowing, if such a thing is possible. Not because they want to trick him, but because they want to trick themselves. If you find one who is spiritually centered, she won't go looking externally to validate her self identity. It won't be easy.

>>8528099
mtf here, you're right. ideally. but ultimately there's lots of trans women that wont ever be the flawless females they want to be. and even if they do, they'll still be likely to have certain features which are more androgynous. Not to mention how many are afraid of SRS, or lack major genital dysphoria at all. These physical quirks are bound to have people that attract some, and repulse others.

I know the whole motif of being a tranny is that theres a lot about ourselves that we want to change. But ultimately you get to a point where you have to start loving yourself for who you are, warts and all. Some tumblrites say this is immediately and you dont need ffs or srs or even hormones. Thats stupid. But you do eventually reach a 'destination'. And when you're there you must accept yourself. If a man is attracted to you at this point, even for your 'cracks', I think its healthy to not immediately discount it.

Now there's still lots of chasers that are bad news. And lots of boundaries mtfs still have, (especially in the dick area), and this is where we run into a sea of grey area. but I think categorical denial isn't right. All love is imperfect people trying to complete one another.

I would date a chaser like you OP, I've got really bad genital dysphoria though, it would probably take a couple months of dating for me to be comfortable enough for you to just touch my junk. Let alone touching it in a sexual manner, and I'm definitely getting SRS. If your fine with that if be open to date a chaser like you.

>>8527384
Yes, but keep in mind you're not the one who decides whether or not you're disrespectful or creepy

Anyone who believes that people will chase trans and cis women the same is being naive, despite being totally justified in that desire. It is a matter of sexual preference, and healthy relationships require it just as much as more wholesome qualities.

>>8528058

At least we're not alone in that sense.

I'm sure you'll find a meaningful relationship one day.

>>8528079

That's promising, although on the other hand, I can't exactly be an objective judge of whether I'm creepy, or being perceived as creepy.

I guess the best I could do is just go out of my way to not come off as creepy.

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continuing thread - a question to mtf`s - how to be good desired admirer? plz show us real world examples.

>>8527384
meanwhile answering to OP's question... Hi mate, I came here right now, exactly to discuss this and how to get more sex in life, cuz I'm pansexual. But I see you already started this thread.

so here is my story:

I was born, I beleive heterosexual, then at 6yo i started to fap along with my male friends , cuz not many girls were around, and developed love for dick. then for 10 years I dated girls, lost virginity with girl, everything was OK for heteresexual, despite for 2 things
1 girls didn't fall in long love relation with me till the end of the world, so there were 3-6 month relations-dating, or even quicker. with some one night stands...
2 i started to fap to TS porn via dialup internet
than in next 10 years after TS porn i fapped to furries, had sex with few furrie, emo guys. until I met some femenine twink who crushed my heart, and I spotted that I start to have more sex with guys, rather girls.
OK the problem is ATM, I'm aging, getting less physically attractive probably, so I had some options to try out:
- become muscle tough jack guy. I thinked everytwink attracted to jacks\mascule. that was a LIE and big mistake of my life.
- back to the game for gender girls. this one with known rules and accept it as it is. the only problem that I'm attracted to same 18yo as time back then, they not always comfortable with my age.
- become more femenine trap like.

so I tried 1st option 1st. Gym + testosterone steroids didn't helped me to become silvester stallone. I became slighly more masculine, but in the end of a day, as my dating study shows, I didn't attracted much femboys\trannies.
here is come THE RULE OF ATTRACTION: cuz, most of them like you, sit there and look for feminene crossdresser. they definetely won't older guy, especially if he won't pay to be daddy.

>>8528099

>You want a broken mirror, and love it for its cracks. You don't see why that would make someone uncomfortable?

Oh, but I do. Who am I to love something about yourself that you absolutely hate? I may not quite understand it, but I think I can at least empathize with how utterly difficult and mentally exhausting it must be to wake up every day and realize that, in spite of all the medicine and surgeries and fashion/behavioral changes, you as a transgendered person may never truly be what you want to be: a natural member of the opposite sex.

But here's the thing: every single one of us is a broken mirror to some extent. Some of us may have a single hairline fracture, and some of us may have a radiating web of deep cracks.

I have my own deep insecurities that I try to hide and suppress and ignore, although I'm not suggesting that my own insecurities are anywhere near as significant as those of a transgendered individual.

But is it truly wrong to like a person for attributes they themselves may hate? I wouldn't go out of my way to point those attributes out, but I could appreciate them all the same.

I recognize that all transgirls have a deepest desire to be recognized as nothing but completely indistinguishable from a biological female, but unless you're one of the supremely fortunate ones, there will always be seams. But some seams don't necessarily disqualify you from being desirable in your own right.

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>>8527384
It's important to remember that MTFs really do have the minds of women, and as such, they're going to make up crazy bullshit like this to excuse their shitty behaviour. "Chaser" is the tranny equivalent of "creep". It basically just means that they find you unattractive and they're offended that you're even breathing the same air that they are. If they're attracted to you and they welcome your advances because of that, you'll never be a "chaser" to them. In the same way, if biological women think you're hot, they won't label you as a creep for trying to chat them up.

It's basically just your standard female hypocrisy that you should ignore entirely when you're trying to pursue them. If they had their way, you'd be locked up for even looking at them. Fuck 'em.

>>8528196
you must literally be drowning in pussy

>>8528113

I think your perspective represents a healthy middle ground. None of us will ever be flawless and perfect, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong to like a person in spite of, or even because of, what they might perceive to be flaws, as much as their insecurities may embarrass them.

>>8528120

>If your fine with that if be open to date a chaser like you.

I will admit that I would probably be disappointed and it would be hard to let go of a part of you I think is lovable in its own right, but I think ultimately I would support you just so long as you could ensure that you would be getting exactly what you wanted out of SRS.

No half measures, no botched surgeries. You'd probably want to see a flawless vagina down there just as much as I would want an ideal result for you, if ever you did get rid of your male genitals.

>>8528215
>the people hated Jesus because He told them the Truth

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>>8528196
>oppressed by the tranniarchy
Heh.

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>>8528187
continuing...
and only less that 1\10 of gay community of aget 18-20, want to try it out with daddy.
that means when you choose to go gay for sex with cute feminine guys, they DON"T really want fuck with manly man there. they want twinks and traps.
here comes another RULE of sexuality: YOU DON'T BORN WITH YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, CHOOSE IT & YOU DEVELOP IT.

so yeah. this is how real world works. and science. statistical & probability researches.

there is also mind blowing explanation of "why hererosexual women don't love as men" on turdflingingmonkey youtube. this guy tell a lot of real truth.

back to the OP question:
1 here is some real news for you: no one will love you as much as you crave, and no one will totally understand you ever. love is myth. but good news is : you still can enjoy sex
2 you literally ask: how to get laid? My answer: 2 ways. a) be adorable dick girl\twink b) pay for sex
no one want to fuck with me (you), a regular guy , just with who I (you) am. Everyone is want a BETTER partner, younger, cuter, richer, name it.

so no one (especially traps\mtf) need you kindness, understanding and appreciation of LGBT. because they don't give a fuck about you. because everyone there is only want to fuck with "desired better partner".
>>8527425
C you already lost your respect to trans\crossdress ppl. Pretty much of trans started as crossdress, and many of them stay there cuz cannot afford HRT for various reasons! (like family, kids, friends)


I didn't cared about my sex, I just wanted to have it with others. I tried it as a male, and not many males i crave for want it with me. Only older many guys contacted my on lgbt site.
here come some real world science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzG0_aU_Fn0

so... I can still buy sex, but I accept the only problem here is location lack of sellers and lack of my money. so here I need to travel and become richer.

... I can go for regular women. this is okay, but gets boring.

(continue in next mess

>>8528131

>Yes, but keep in mind you're not the one who decides whether or not you're disrespectful or creepy

That's true, and I recognize that there's nothing I can do about that except accept it, and try to do my best not to offend people I like.

Ultimately, the world will perceive me the way it perceives me, and I can't forcefully change that beyond modifying my own behavior if need be.

>>8528187

How old are you now? It's actually pretty natural for sexual tastes to expand with age, I find.

And how or where exactly would I find a truly feminine crossdresser? A completely passable one would blend in too well for me to be able to pick them out.

>>8528196

I mean, I think there can be such a thing as an ugly creep and an attractive creep. It's true that attractive creeps might have fewer negative responses, but it's basically a simple fact of life that humans value general physical attractiveness. That's an inherent bias and it's not one that you or I or anyone else can realistically change.

I don't think it's as bad as you claim among either women or transwomen, though. Or, at least, I hope not.

>>8528268
#1 tip to not being a creep is not trying too hard

Being awkward is cute until it gets cringe

>>8528308
Try too hard and you're a creep. Don't try hard enough and you're boring. Act too awkwardly and you're cringy. Act too confident and you're an asshole.

It's a no-win scenario unless you are a mind-reader or a 10/10. The real answer is to accept that you will be called all these things and worse and to just stop giving a fuck.

>>8528285
God no, the kid is just salty about being a creep

Hot guys can be creepy and ugly guys get laid if they're charming enough

>>8528321
Your problem is you treat women like a conquest

That's why girls think you're creepy. Because your only interest is sex and they see right through you

You don't have to impress women, THATS WHAT MAKES US CRINGE. If you're confident in who you are and are actually true to it you will impress us.

And just because you impress us doesn't mean we're going to fuck you either, but at least you wont come off as a creep

>>8528162
>That's promising, although on the other hand, I can't exactly be an objective judge of whether I'm creepy, or being perceived as creepy.
>I guess the best I could do is just go out of my way to not come off as creepy.
Look Anon. There are 2 things here.

A) Look at it like this. Swap out trans girls, for "girl with giant boobs" or "Pregnant chicks" or some other fetish.

Nobody sane person will begrudge you finding them hot. The worst that'll happen is "That anon, he has some tastes amirite... anyway how about that weather?"

Maybe you even seek out big-tit pornography, or go to a bar and pick up a hot chick with large boobs and the two of you engage in consensual intercourse. Ideally, everyone involved knows the score and has a good time.

But when you start talking about "I'm into big boobed hotties, but It's not a sex thing, I'm want a deep and faithful relationship and I totally understand that busty bimbos are women. I just want the emotional connection that only giant boobs can provide." you're going to sound weird.

If you can eliminate all the obvious fetishizing and 'creepy' things from a fetish for trannies and still think you have an attraction to trans girls that specific isn't a "sex thing", then you're going to have a hard time convincing people.

B)If it's not a sex thing. Then you're probably actually a girl. And even if it is a sex thing you're probably a girl.

This is good news though, because transbians get lots of trans girls.

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>>8528267
age)

... I can go for older males, join bears, grandpas. But not attracted to them. Age entropy is disgusting. the only way out for humanity - cure aging, and learn how to travel in time\reverse it\ increase order of matter.

... If I want to fuck with femboytrannies I should care for what they look for. ANd MOST of them look for cute girl\trap. that proved by my research, and by mentioned video. So I bough a wig, will buy stockings, sexy cloth, shave legs, do makup, post pic on dating stite and get ready for a parade of DICKS!!!111 then I (or you) can sort them who is cuter for you and meet (ofc in girl-mode).

Am I right? I want to hear ONLY from experienced near 30yo persons. Reply here if you feel I'm right or wrong, I want to hear you out.


>>8528162
you (and we) can be objective judge on how ugly\cute you are. it is simple.
Most of people don't care about your behavior. Everyone forgive cute trap even if trap behaves badly.
And from there you can pick your ways that I described.

>>8528196
you are correct! I'm totally agree.

>>8528229
right.

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>>8528190
The difference between the cracks of being trans and most others is that most people's deep insecurities aren't either front and center for the whole world to see, or necessary to divulge upon trying to start a relationship with someone. Either way, it's an insecurity that's been genuinely re-enforced by everyone around them for, most likely, most of their lives.

If a trans person doesn't pass, and you're into, then you're just into that insecurity and ultimately fueling it among everyone else on the planet. In that situation, a trans girl wouldn't want to be with you unless she's desperate, because why would you want to be with someone who can't even see you for who you are, and instead sees you for the genetics you were handed at birth?

Even if she passes she's forced to advertise this major insecurity over and over again for most people to be de-activated by, most others to be interested in for fetishistic and objective reasons. I don't know about you, but the last thing I'd do is date a person if I found myself immersed in a very deep insecurity that they admitted to me. It just seems massively rude, if anything.

It's very easy to question a person's motive when they're specifically into trans women, just as it is with a person who was attracted to someone for having schizophrenia or bpd or chronic depression or some mental disorder (not saying that being trans is a mental disorder, but gender dysphoria is an activating feature in these cases most of the time, and that is a mental disorder) Not to say that people with those conditions can't find love, but usually it treats that thing as incidental in the relationship; I certainly wouldn't love my boyfriend's chronic depression if he had it. In a similar way

I think that's how the best relationships with trans people work; treat the fact that they're trans as an incidental, and love them regardless of it.

>>8528215
I'm getting a lot more pussy than I would if I actually took women's crazy hypocrisy seriously. If that was the case, I probably wouldn't even bother anymore for fear that a women would essentially imply that I'm a potential stalker or sex offender just for daring to talk to her at the bar.

Great counter argument though.

>>8528285
Humans are shallow creatures, especially when it comes to sex, that is definitely true. The issue here is with women's haughty attitudes towards attraction. If an unattractive woman hits on a man (or more likely, gets her friend to do it for her like she's still in high school), the man will just tell her he's not interested and move on. Flip the situation the other way around though, and women will feel the need to brand the man they're not attracted to as a creep. Even if he's not. Actual creepy guys do exist obviously, but the female affinity for calling basically any guy who tries and fails to chat her up a creep really muddies the water.

>>8528322
Hot guys can be creepy when they're literally Ted Bundy and you've just found their collection of severed heads in the fridge. If a woman is attracted to a man and he tries to flirt with her, she'll never ever call him a "creep" just based on the fact that he tried it on with her. And yes, ugly guys can get laid if they're charming enough, but that charm is part of their attraction. The girl smiling and laughing as the ugly, charming guy chats her up is actually attracted to him in that moment, so she's not going to brand him as a "creep". If his charm fails on that specific woman though, there's a good chance she'll scowl at him and tell her friends that he's probably a date rapist.

You might not be able to see it, ladies, but it's true. You are crazy as fuck. Men are crazy too in their own way. But this is your particular style of crazy. And it absolutely needs to be dismissed as the bullshit that it is if you're a man who is trying to pursue a woman.

>>8528437
yeah its like when someones with me only because im black and have a huge cock and they want to call me nigger in bed.

>>8528196
>>8528385
Guys like you want the milk for free. That's why you're summarily shut the fuck down. You don't have the looks. You can't provide. And your bitter disposition isn't doing you any favors. I'm a frumpy Christmas cake facsimile of a woman, and I've never been in want of desirable suitors. It's not that the game is rigged; it was never fair to begin with. Even if you had it all, you'd still be disposable. I suppose I am too, but my mask is immaculate--why play by the rules. Custom and habit can be used to your advantage, if you gild your tongue and learn to treat people like the predictable animals they are. Of course, it's far easier to get away with precocious bullshit under the guise of the fairer sex.

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>>8528268
how old r u, OP? and what is your height\weight in cm\kg?

I"m slim and think i'm 7 out 10 on attractivness scale, pretty regular, nothing special.

>>8528285
there are no cute creeps, chasers, only in your imagination. the one I remeber is sidekick-girl of Magical Railgun anime. she obsessed with breats of railgun-girl, but everyone forgives her cuz she you, cute and female.

imagine old fat guy do same think, play with breasts of other girls - and everyone will call him creep, bad...
reality.
>>8528322
by statistical probability this is rare as fuck, so your statement is bullshit.
hot guys can be also mental, dumb, but why would you care if that hot guy super cute trap and you want sex?
get real

>>8528321
right
and get also real about what do other dating-canditate really want, and could you offer that.

>>8528377
> because transbians get lots of trans girls.
yeah, but only CUTE transbians. no one need huge old fatties, we know.

so simple explanation to get laid:
1 become cute\attractable, and pass for that defenition
2 pay that
3 do that with drunk partner.

>>8528450
that's hot!

>>8528507
You're assuming a lot about me, but that is to be expected. Again, the issue isn't the fact that women reject men. You're essentially the 'gatekeepers of sex' after all. The issue is with the cuntish attitude that you display towards men you're not attracted to. And the point I'm trying to make is that nobody should take your crazy hypocritical shit seriously. If a guy tries to flirt with you and you're not attracted to him, instead of just telling him you're not interested and moving on, you feel that it's necessary to call him a "creep" which is essentially implying that he's an untrustworthy, detestable person. If a guy was to take that shit to heart, he'd start to believe that he shouldn't even try with women at all anymore, because that makes him "creepy".

Of course, when you notice that the same behaviour that got you branded as a "creep" by one woman led to you having sex with another woman, you see the cuntishness of the previous woman for what it is. It's just her (terrible) way of telling you that she's not attracted to you. And if a woman is attracted to you, she's not going to call you a creep unless shy literally catches you spying on her or something. End of story.

The "chaser" thing is basically the same sort of bullshit. Women who liberally throw around the word "creep" have shitty entitled attitudes. They're the ones being assholes, but they act like it's the man who is somehow in the wrong. With transgirls, so many of them are incredibly insecure about their bodies. It's a problem on their end. But they act, again, like the man is doing something wrong.

You can imply I'm sort of bitter, misogynstic virgin all you want. The focus on attacking me personally instead of arguing against me with reason only displays your complete inability to think critically. It doesn't even matter if this pisses off women anyway. All that matters is that guys like OP know not to take your bullshit seriously.

>>8528450

I'm guessing they call you nigger because they want you to get angry and get rough and slap them around and fuck them harder and call them white cunt or something.
Do you ever play along or is it a boner killer for you?

t. white boy guilty of being turned on by race play

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>>8528590
>he shouldn't even try with women at all
That's the idea.

>>8528437
the difference between admirer and regular guy, is that admirer like and respect both of both worlds - titties and dicks ( and girly face).
that's reason behind admiration and stone upon which he looks for relationships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmK1osGXhq4 !

so ts must accept it's biological gender too, and admiration for it. otherwise TS is mentally sick if won't date chaser. get over it.


>>8528450
lol. hope you accept it and ok with it.

>>8528507
interesting point. my engrish is bad, so it was hard to understand your complicated language and euphemisms.

yeah, youtube TFM news explains why game isn't fair from biological pov, and not everyone is lucky\equal to win, this how natural selection forks, survival of the fittest.

>>8528607
Exactly. Women who behave like this are incredibly arrogant and self absorbed. The exact kind of woman who gets sucked into the retardation vortex of thrid wave feminism. They think if they're not attracted to a man, that he's less than human and that they should do their part in shaming him into being a sexless eunuch.

It needs to be understood for what it is and disregarded. Bitches be crazy.

>>8528600
I really think you're right actually but and yeah i tried giving them what they wanted in that way but it's really not for me.
I'm a tender guy really, doesn't kill boner though
Just tough being expected to behave against my nature in that way. I was just half-goofing around when i posted that. I mean its true but might not be a fair comparison to the whole trans folk being liked for being trans. It has gotten uncomfortable at times but not exactly stopped me and it usually just limits itself to the bedroom.

Still its a frustrating thing.

Dont feel bad for liking it, id never put someone down for that cause I get it for sure

>>8528590
yes, transgirls act like a man is doing something wrong. that's because biologically trangirls are males and not attracted to male body.

that why they need to watch branwash videos to crave for black cocks.

you're cool.

>>8528674
wha

>>8528528
>yeah, but only CUTE transbians. no one need huge old fatties, we know.
You're more likely to get the trans girl cock you crave as a fat girl than as a fat guy.

>>8528747
true
girl > guy

>>8528688
transgirls act like a chaser\admirer did something wrong by reaching them.

>>8528196
>that pic
ABLOO BLOO BLOO I WANT TO STARE AT WOMENS TITS >:((((

>>8528440
>>8528528

Again, while it's indeed a fact that better looking people are treated more favorably in life than less attractive people (all else equal), I think the cynicism with which you two frame the world might be excessive.

Not everybody is out to destroy you. I would like to think that not all girls, trans or otherwise, are out to assassinate your character, unless you have certain characteristics that are truly assassination-worthy.

>how old r u, OP? and what is your height\weight in cm\kg?

Mid 20s. I'm about 6'1", or 185.5cm. I'm kind of skinny at 65kg/143lb.

I wouldn't call myself particularly attractive, maybe in the 6/10 range.

>>8528321

>Try too hard and you're a creep. Don't try hard enough and you're boring. Act too awkwardly and you're cringy. Act too confident and you're an asshole.

From what I understand based on what I've read in this very thread, there is a perhaps narrow range within which all these behaviors are permissible or maybe even desirable, to an extent.

But should any one of those personality traits go beyond that range and become overwhelming, then it becomes undesirable.

I guess it's necessary to find a healthy balance of characteristics.

>>8528440

>And yes, ugly guys can get laid if they're charming enough, but that charm is part of their attraction. The girl smiling and laughing as the ugly, charming guy chats her up is actually attracted to him in that moment, so she's not going to brand him as a "creep". If his charm fails on that specific woman though, there's a good chance she'll scowl at him

...And is it really so wrong to NOT want to date a person who isn't charming?

Everyone, male or female, appreciates charm.

Maybe I should work on becoming more charming myself, although I'm not even sure to begin with that.

>>8530235

>I'm not even sure to begin with that.

*where to begin with that

>>8529572
This comment smells like /tumblr/ from a mile away

>>8530212
>not all girls, trans or otherwise, are out to assassinate your character

Well that's certainly not something I've said in this thread. I would say a lot of girls will assassinate your character if they deem you too unattractive to even talk to them, but you do it anyway in an attempt to hit on them. Keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and different girls like different things. This isn't me saying that every women I've ever tryed to chat up has rejected me. I've had some chubby homely girls reject me, but I've also succeeded in seducing a really pretty girl a few months ago. One constant though is that a majority of the girls who have rejected me at that initial hurdle have acted as if I did something horribly wrong by trying to hit on them, usually resulting in the evil eye from her and her buddies for the rest of the night.

You can keep misrepresenting my arguments though. And attacking me personaly. It's cool. Just keep focusing on my tone, or whatever you think my tone is, and keep ignoring what I'm actually telling you. There's a good chance you do this shit too, so I can see why you wouldn't want to face up to it.

>>8528377

>But when you start talking about "I'm into big boobed hotties, but It's not a sex thing, I'm want a deep and faithful relationship and I totally understand that busty bimbos are women. I just want the emotional connection that only giant boobs can provide." you're going to sound weird.

I get what you mean. There's a difference between appreciating something and being obnoxious or rude/crude/stupid about it.

The only reason I specifically mention the trans thing here is because it's completely inappropriate to bring it up in public in real life, and probably the only place to really get any perspective on this sort of thing is an anonymous corner of the internet. I'm most definitely not talking and obsessing about how much I would love a trans GF in real life, that would be weird and lead to me being socially ostracized (deservedly so).

>If you can eliminate all the obvious fetishizing and 'creepy' things from a fetish for trannies and still think you have an attraction to trans girls that specific isn't a "sex thing", then you're going to have a hard time convincing people.

Well... I did say the OP that my desire isn't exclusively limited to transgirls.

>>I want a cute trans GF in the same way I would want a cute Asian/white/brown/black/etc GF. Or a cute BF.

I just think it'd be nice to have the opportunity to date a cute transgirl, is all. Because I like human variety.

>B)If it's not a sex thing. Then you're probably actually a girl. And even if it is a sex thing you're probably a girl.

>This is good news though, because transbians get lots of trans girls.

It's interesting that you mention this. I don't even want to admit it here because it's embarrassing and perhaps derailing, but all of a sudden I've developed this nascent interest in...crossdressing. Hooray, new stupid thing to be deeply insecure about.

I would never, ever do it in public, though. I'm pretty sure I'm just AGP, whatever that might mean for me or you.

>>8530241

Well then perhaps I've misunderstood you. You've had some bad interactions, and that certainly sucks, but almost everyone gets negative reactions in the dating game at least occasionally.

I guess I just disagree with you suggesting that all, or the vast majority, of women are as shallow as you imply. Again, I would like to think that isn't true.

But we are animals after all, and sometimes primal instincts kick in. Instinct is generally pretty shallow.

>>8530303
I'm pretty sure I said the vast majority of people are shallow when it comes to sex. And if I didn't, I'm saying it now. That's not something confined to one gender or another.

Really all I was trying to say was that women will often act like this if you try to hit on them but they're not interested. Of course, there's no way to know for sure if they are interested without trying. So it's just mean spirited to act this way. I also think a lot of women do it, but might not realise that they do it. They just think they're not doing anything wrong because nobody ever called them out on it. And if someone did call them out on it, they'd get the reaction that I got in this thread. Which is why nobody does it in the first place.

Tfw no bf/gf to love you even though you're asexual

Slightly off topic but still close...

How do you date a non creepy guy who is into transwomen?

I'm stealth. I can get girls if I want, and I get tons of messages from guys on OkCupid, but I don't advertise that I'm trans and the few that I've liked and been open with aren't ok with me being trans.

When I advertised it, I was hit with just creepy guys. (Don't know how to explain, but it's just a vibe you get)

I get why a guy might be into a transgirl, I know I've got a good personality and can relate to them in a different way, but to find the balance of a guy desiring me for that over a fetish is hard.

I don't think it helps that I live in Portland and it's pretty well known that there are a lot of us here, and some guys I've come out to have had interaction with train wreck transwomen and passed just based on first impressions of them. It just adds to the struggle.

>>8530589
>if someone likes me they are a creep

maybe ask youself why you feel that way, preferably with the help of a therapist

>>8530589
i'd suggest not advertising your status, but you kinda have to disclose it before things get intimate at all. talk for a few days or a week before meeting him, and i'd also suggest meeting him at least once before telling him you're trans, but before he tries to kiss you. that imo is about the cutoff point where most men start getting angry, but if you already have chemistry and *then* you tell them you'll know if its fetishistic or not. if you're really worried, be clear about a desire to avoid intimacy at first and if they dont immediately respect that gtfo.
if they're cool with it, been great all along, and you're already together, you better suck that dick like your life depends on it.

>>8530636
When I talk to guys and the conversation quickly steers towards genitals, I don't need therapy to tell why I have issue.

>>8530649
>on a hookup app
>"shocked" when people want to hook up

kek

>>8530281
>Well... I did say the OP that my desire isn't exclusively limited to transgirls.
>I just think it'd be nice to have the opportunity to date a cute transgirl, is all. Because I like human variety.
It's not that you're not just into trans girls. It's that you supposedly have trans girl specific desires that can't be met by cis girls, yet claim is not just a sex thing.

>It's interesting that you mention this. I don't even want to admit it here because it's embarrassing and perhaps derailing, but all of a sudden I've developed this nascent interest in...crossdressing. Hooray, new stupid thing to be deeply insecure about.
>I would never, ever do it in public, though. I'm pretty sure I'm just AGP, whatever that might mean for me or you.
It's not derailing if it's been obvious from post number one this is driven from secret desires to be a girl. Don't be insecure though, that's why you come across as creepy in the first place, just do what you want.

Also AGP is bullshit. It's just a made up neologism for "trans but not trans", which isn't a thing. Much like you're proposed creepy chaser without the creepiness.

>>8531071
>trans but not trans"

I thought AGP meant transbian

>>8531081
I can't tell if this post is a joke.

>>8527425

What do you know of trans people that you feel entitled to be so hateful?

>prostitute in a wig.

This is why nobody likes chasers.

>>8531394
Are you seriously white knighting craigslist t4m posters. Here's some posts in my area just for reference on what he's calling a prostitute in a wig:

"Hey guys caramel stick is here inch u think u can handle and a 55inch ass lil donation can u handle Mobil to"

"I'm totally discreet, disease free, smooth , sexy, extremely horny, and need a man who is multi orgasmic . i want to suck his dick til he cums in my mouth. I want to taste another mans cum so bad. Then I want to lay Down on my back pull my legs over my head so my smooth tranny hole can get filled with a real mans dick I want him to fuck me until he cuns deep in my ass. . I want to take some videos and pics of me sucking dick and being fucked by a mam. J am wanting to play for hours and need to share my secret with someone."

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>>8531422

I am defending people being misgendered. If you're so bent on on hating someone, there are better ways to go about it than erasing their gender identity.

>>8531461
What part of "prostitute in a wig" is misgendering someone? There's nothing in there that implies gender. Now you're being the judgmental one.

Are you me, OP? I'm attracted to trans girls more than cis girls, and not into cis men at all. How am I supposed to find my type when my type thinks I'm just using them?

>>8531541
Only choice is to learn to be a disgusting girl fetishist.

>>8531111
this board is a joke

>>8531521
Because trans people get called 'men in wigs' all the time. (especially in this context where he was actively talking about transgirls).

>>8531557
this world is a joke

>>8528437

>The difference between the cracks of being trans and most others is that most people's deep insecurities aren't either front and center for the whole world to see

I suppose that's true, at least during the transitioning period.

>necessary to divulge upon trying to start a relationship

I personally wish this didn't have to be true, but this particular issue is a virtually necessary means of maintaining your own personal safety. Sadly there remain many people who would react with hostility or outright violence upon discovering that a romantic interest has a sex-gender mismatch.

And I guess to be fair, it does matter if the non-trans individual in the relationship wants children.

>it's an insecurity that's been genuinely re-enforced by everyone around them for, most likely, most of their lives.

And so I understand why acknowledging it at all more than is absolutely necessary could be quite painful.

Still, isn't it possible appreciate all the little traits that a person might be insecure about without being obnoxious about them or deliberately pointing them out?

>If a trans person doesn't pass, and you're into, then you're just into that insecurity and ultimately fueling it among everyone else on the planet. In that situation, a trans girl wouldn't want to be with you unless she's desperate, because why would you want to be with someone who can't even see you for who you are, and instead sees you for the genetics you were handed at birth?

I fully understand that a transperson in transition is quite possibly the very last person whose insecurities I'd want to interfere with to any degree. In fact, I'd guess that someone actually in the transitional phase probably has little interest in dating anyway - at those core moments they are at their most vulnerable and need their own space to grow and redefine themselves.

I wouldn't go chasing after a non-passing or clearly in transition transgirl for those reasons. I might only make things worse for them.

>>8528437

>the last thing I'd do is date a person if I found myself immersed in a very deep insecurity that they admitted to me. It just seems massively rude, if anything.

Could you clarify what you mean by this? If you mean that by dating me they'd be forced to confront their deepest insecurities, well, I'd like to think I've have more respect for them than that. Again, I understand that dysphoria can be severely psychologically traumatic and I would go out of my way to avoid stepping on their toes regarding body image issues.

>It's very easy to question a person's motive when they're specifically into trans women

I agree with this, but again, I'm not specifically after transwomen. I'm after all varieties of cute women to some extent. And even certain types of cute men.

But I will admit that perhaps the sheer rarity of nice transwomen might make them especially alluring, arguably more so than biological women who make up 50% of humans.

>I think that's how the best relationships with trans people work; treat the fact that they're trans as an incidental, and love them regardless of it.

I think I agree. And I think, to an extent, that advice can be generalized to any romantic relationship: treat the unique quirks that may make a person alluring, but may at the same time cause the same individual insecurity, as incidental.

>>8528450

>yeah its like when someones with me only because im black and have a huge cock and they want to call me nigger in bed.

That something like this, for example, could occur at all is immensely disturbing. I seriously doubt that most interracial couples are anything like what you might see in absurdly racist interracial porn, and I seriously doubt most black men actually enjoy the thought of being treated like useless, violent, thuggish living dildos. But sadly, interracial porn creates a perception that is utterly corrupted compared to reality and potentially paints interracial couples in a negative light.

In real, amateur interracial videos, you're much less likely to find that sort of vile, ignorant race fetishism.

>>8530339

Well the bad news for you is that asexuals are quite rare. The good news for you is that because you're so rare, there are probably asexual communities you can find and integrate into and potentially find someone to share your time with.

Actually, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to dating an asexual girl either.

...Maybe I'm just lonely.

>>8530589

Maybe try having a serious conversation with them a few dates in about why their behavior makes you uncomfortable, even though you may like them and even though you're trans?

If they truly liked you for more than your trans status, they'd take your concerns to heart and put a stop to fetishizing you, at least openly.

It sucks that you sometimes end up getting judged based on the behavior of other transfolk though. That's not fair at all.

>>8531722
I think you're reading too deeply into sex if that supersedes every other aspect of a relationship. Most people aren't defined by their fetishes.

>>8532646

Maybe you're right, but I do think it's kind of revealing when all sorts of racism and absurd stereotypes come out of a person's mouth in bed, even if it's only part of a kink.

Like, how can you be sure after that point that the person doesn't actually believe at least some of what they say? Even if they're 'positive' racial stereotypes (in my opinion there is no such thing).

>>8531071

>It's not that you're not just into trans girls. It's that you supposedly have trans girl specific desires that can't be met by cis girls, yet claim is not just a sex thing.

It's the extreme scarcity of transgirls, I think, combined with the uniqueness of their life perspective, that makes them particularly interesting. Biological women make up literally 1 in every 2 humans. That's not to say I don't want to date cis women, but it would be an especially unique experience to date a nice transwoman.

>It's not derailing if it's been obvious from post number one this is driven from secret desires to be a girl.

Huh. I'm curious as to what drew you to this conclusion. Wouldn't you classify AGPs as different from transwomen?

I don't actually want to be a girl, I guess what I want is the satisfaction of knowing I could be a convincing trap. But that IS just a fetish thing, and I don't know if it's relevant. If anything that probably just makes me sound even creepier.

>Don't be insecure though, that's why you come across as creepy in the first place, just do what you want.

It's true, I am deeply insecure. It's not the easiest problem to fix.

But I do think I can recognize creepiness when I see it. I try not to do anything that a reasonable person might interpret as creepy.

>>8536026
>Wouldn't you classify AGPs as different from transwomen?
Anyone who would is ignorant.

>>8527384
I wouldn't worry about it. If you get called a chaser, just move on. There will be a trans girl who will appreciate your attention.

>>8536037

>Anyone who would is ignorant.

Why do you say that? I feel like there are some clear distinctions between AGPs and transwomen, but then again I literally only discovered the term "AGP" a week ago so there are probably major gaps in my understanding.

>>8536054

Will there be? And how would I even go about finding one who might "appreciate my attention"? The exceeding rarity of transwomen means that the odds of a spontaneous encounter with one are tiny.

>>8536121
As a transwoman, most of my dating exploits are online, so starting there is one way to go about it. Although it does seem like a non-chaser would be alright with dating any way, and just be fine if their date ends up being a transgirl.

>>8536121
AGP is a type of trans woman. Blanchard even recommended that AGPs transition. Neither type is TruTrans™

>>8536159
He only suggested that AGPs transition if they're past the point of no return (early 20s), he tried to block early AGP transition.

>>8536148

Thank you for the advice.

>Although it does seem like a non-chaser would be alright with dating any way, and just be fine if their date ends up being a transgirl.

>and just be fine if their date ends up being a transgirl.

A happenstance encounter like this is such an exceedingly unlikely event, though. Especially when you consider that probably most transgirls are afraid of 'tricking' their male dates and having to face the consequences of that.

I want to elevate my odds of encountering a nice transgirl, and just random dating of women of any kind is unlikely to be enough to accomplish that.

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>>8536159
>Neither type is TruTrans

>>8536159

>Blanchard

Who is this, what are their credentials, and why should I take their advice?

I like my own penis, and penises in general, waaaaaaaaaay too much to actually be trans.

>>8536175

>He only suggested that AGPs transition if they're past the point of no return (early 20s), he tried to block early AGP transition.

This seems backwards to me. Ethics aside, isn't it pretty much always better to transition at an earlier age?

>>8536186

>such an exceedingly unlikely event

and that is supposed to be fine. Do you see the fine line that distincts chasers and non-chasers?

>>8536192

Blanchard is some pseudo scientist. But on the other hand, some transwomen are comfortable with their 'male' genitalia.


Also, a question for you, why do you think you're qualified in raising the ethics point in discussing trans-related issues if you're neither a scientist, nor trans?

>>8536198
>Professor Blanchard isn't a real scientist
>you as a poster on the internet aren't qualified to talk about trans issues
t. poster on the internet

>>8536198
>and that is supposed to be fine. Do you see the fine line that distincts chasers and non-chasers?

I do. I understand that the fact that I'm intentionally seeking to increase my odds of encountering a transgirl probably by definition makes me a chaser.

But this gets right back to my OP question: is it possible to be a chaser without being repugnant?

>why do you think you're qualified in raising the ethics point in discussing trans-related issues if you're neither a scientist, nor trans?

If you're talking about my use of the word "ethics" in my previous post, it's because there is controversy regarding whether it's moral to allow or encourage an individual in the midst of puberty, or even pre-puberty, to transition. It's a decision that isn't reversible and obviously has lifelong implications, and whether teenagers are capable of making that decision for themselves remains a moral grey area.

I don't claim to be a scientist, but I do know a little about human development.

>>8536211
Yes, of course. I don't mean to bash you, I am just trying to tell you how you're coming across. My personal problem with chasers is they objectify and make you feel uncomfortable despite your own preferences. If you don't do that, you arent a chaser in my books.

>It's a decision that isn't reversible and obviously has lifelong implications, and whether teenagers are capable of making that decision for themselves remains a moral grey area.

You are ignorant of that. Children are at best put on blockers, which only prevent the development in teenage years. Transition in most cases does not happen before a person is 18/16.

The controversy on the subject comes from the gross misrepresentation of trans people and it's mostly fueled either by ignorant people or bigots.

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>>8536026
>It's the extreme scarcity of transgirls, I think, combined with the uniqueness of their life perspective, that makes them particularly interesting. Biological women make up literally 1 in every 2 humans. That's not to say I don't want to date cis women, but it would be an especially unique experience to date a nice transwoman.
So you want the novelty factor? Thats no less creepy than just wanting to fuck a chick with a dick.

>Huh. I'm curious as to what drew you to this conclusion.
You obviously have a reason for wanting a relationship with a trans girl specifically, and it doesn't seem to be specifically a sex thing. So there's obviously some unresolved issues there.

99 times out of a 100, those issues involve wanting to be a girl.

>Wouldn't you classify AGPs as different from transwomen?
Seeing as its a neologism invented specifically to discredit trans women. No I would not

>I don't actually want to be a girl, I guess what I want is the satisfaction of knowing I could be a convincing trap. But that IS just a fetish thing, and I don't know if it's relevant. If anything that probably just makes me sound even creepier.
You don't have to be a girl. Nobody is forcing you and there's nothing wrong with crossdressing.

That said. You:
a) seem to relate to trans girls in non-sexual way
b) want to dress like a girl
c) want to be able to be perceived as a girl

>But I do think I can recognize creepiness when I see it. I try not to do anything that a reasonable person might interpret as creepy.
You really can't on the available evidence.

You seem to be very familiar with bigotry and quack-psychologist rhetoric on trans people, but have almost no understanding or experience beyond that.

Basically you come across like /d/ anons describing the exact scientific difference between "trap", "futa" and "shemale" like they mean anything beyond porn.

>>8536222
Whats your opinion on Caitlyn Jenner?

>>8536486
>So you want the novelty factor?

I wouldn't go as far to say that. I know he is giving off a few creepy vibes, but I can see myself saying the same thing about a ftm, as I am sure I'd find his perspective on trans things fascinating. I will naively believe that is his intention.

>>8536496
She has my sympathy for being trans and my ire for all else. I don't know too much about her, so I will spare any other commentary.

>>8536506
>I wouldn't go as far to say that. I know he is giving off a few creepy vibes, but I can see myself saying the same thing about a ftm, as I am sure I'd find his perspective on trans things fascinating. I will naively believe that is his intention.
I might have been harsh. you're right in that I think anon is operating in good faith.

Mostly I just want them to realise they can be a girl if they want.

>>8534788
Yeah. That's why I personally dislike it. Sets off a whole bunch of insecurities and then I can't keep my mind in the moment. There are a lot of places where race has been made a factor in life and that's one where I could do without it.
Relationships I mean, hookups... well it's my fault for not knowing what I was getting into but thankfully that's the only place it has really come up.

>>8536486
>its a neologism invented specifically to discredit trans women
Except that's wrong.

>>8536222

>I don't mean to bash you, I am just trying to tell you how you're coming across.

And I appreciate that, because that is part of what I want to know.

>My personal problem with chasers is they objectify and make you feel uncomfortable despite your own preferences.

I like to think I know better than to pursue a person who is uncomfortable with me, or press an issue that makes a person I like uncomfortable. But in truth, I don't have any objective way of measuring how creepy I'm being perceived as.

>You are ignorant of that. Children are at best put on blockers, which only prevent the development in teenage years. Transition in most cases does not happen before a person is 18/16.

Having looked this up, I guess you're right. Blockers apparently have fewer ill effects than I realized.

But that doesn't mean they necessarily have zero ill effects. How can you know, for example, whether a 20 year old who's spent 6 years on blockers is actually more mentally developed than a regular 14 year old? What if stunting puberty leaves also freezes neurological maturation? Then they'd be no better at decision-making at 20 with blockers than at 14.

Hormones profoundly affect the development of the body, and the brain is itself a part of the body.

Also, postponing puberty with blockers for a questioning teen represents a rare and possibly ideal scenario. Most questioning teens either transition after puberty, at which point it's naturally harder to pass, and a rare few transition before or during puberty, at which point they might not truly be certain whether it's what they want.

I mean even some adults ultimately regret transitioning.

I don't get how the term "chaser" arose. A gay person doesn't get called a chaser for being attracted to people who are the same gender. So what's wrong with someone whose preference just happens to be trans?

>>8537645
Goddamit.

>>8537683

What?

>>8537694

You just seemed pretty smart and what you said wasn't very smart, I don't think.

>>8537901

What specifically wasn't smart? If I'm wrong, I don't want to remain wrong. If I come off as ignorant, I don't want to be ignorant about what I'm ignorant about.

I mean you seem genuinely disappointed by whatever it is I said.

>>8537964

Because I really am. Your talking points all resemble the crap conservatives and other naysayers give us when we talk about being trans and transitioning. Of course your concerns are valid. But I trust doctors, not laymen, to make these decisions and advise patients on what is best. I want gender and the effects of hormones to be better understood, and I want people to stop impeding the progress of that.

I have no idea what hormones really do or how they work. I can only tell you my perspective, and that of all the trans people I've talked to. Most people will try to dissuade you. Most people won't support you. Even so, most trans people don't end up changing their minds. At best they fail. They don't have enough courage, or money, or ability to stand on their own. So they up repressing. Not regret, not a change of heart. Its just easier to try to deal with your inner world than to constantly fight against everyone else. The rest of us transition and end up feeling happier.

The biggest myth I keep coming across is that people question for a bit, and then just decide they were having a 'phase'. That practically never happens. By putting up roadblocks, you aren't preventing cis people from making mistakes; you're stopping trans people from feeling comfortable and sober. A lot of people know they were trans, even from young age. And they all suffer. Don't deny them our best known treatment because of a perceived phantom threat.

>>8538130
>The biggest myth I keep coming across is that people question for a bit, and then just decide they were having a 'phase'. That practically never happens.

In a study of children diagnosed with GID/GD, 84% desisted in cross-sex identification by late adolescence. This is why we put kids and young adolescents on blockers until they are ready to commit, because often it is a phase, or stems from gender nonconformity.

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>>8527384
>Is it possible to be a chaser without being disrespectful or creepy?
Does what you are focusing on even matter? That is the real question.

"Creepy" is an extremely loaded word, kinda like "gay" is among younger kids; its really just an arbitrary way to show disapproval of what you are doing. So in that sense no, it is probably not possible at all to flirt and date actively without coming off as "creepy" at least one time to one person. Two different people can do/say the exact same thing to somebody and one be considered "creepy" and the other its just funny, or "hot", or completely ignored, etc. Same goes for being "respectful", a lot of humor and flirtatious behavior is disrespectful on some level if taken at face value so can you flirt and date actively without one person somewhere getting butthurt over a comment or joke you made? Maybe, Maybe not.... who cares? Again I would question if what you are focusing on even matters.

You should focus on a dual track, one should be working on yourself constantly improving physically, mentally, and socially; and the other should be going after the things you want in life. Maybe you want a "cute trans gf", but really you are too fat, broke, and have no social skills so you cant get that yet. Maybe you want a Ferrari 488 but you cant afford it. Maybe you just want a job, but you dont have the skills. Having a goal is nice, but you also need to work towards the physical, mental, and social requirements to actually obtain your goals.

Tbh with you focusing on arbitrary labels like "chaser", "roastie", "normies" shit like that is really just mental barriers that ineffective people put up for themselves to explain away their failures. Few people want to look in the mirror and admit "I am not good enough", its far more comfortable to shift the blame elsewhere, but the people that come back day after day and keep at it until they are good enough are the ones that experience true growth and success.

>>8538130

Now I understand where you're coming from.

>Your talking points all resemble the crap conservatives and other naysayers give us when we talk about being trans and transitioning.

I'm speaking from a place of concern and not judgement or discouragement. I see now how that could be interpreted as transphobic, but that was certainly not my intention. I try not to deliberate insult conversation partners, unless they've done something to deserve it. But yeah, maybe I could have articulated myself more carefully.

>But I trust doctors, not laymen, to make these decisions and advise patients on what is best.

Likewise.

>I want gender and the effects of hormones to be better understood, and I want people to stop impeding the progress of that.

Likewise.

And I would never do anything to impede that progress because science and medicine are valuable to us all.

>I can only tell you my perspective, and that of all the trans people I've talked to. Most people will try to dissuade you. Most people won't support you.

And do you now see why I specifically value the perspective of transwomen? I haven't lived through the trans experience and I never will. The best I can do is observe from the outside and ask questions. You have provided me with a unique perspective that I would otherwise never have had.

>most trans people don't end up changing their minds. At best they fail. They don't have enough courage, or money, or ability to stand on their own. So they up repressing. Not regret, not a change of heart.

I didn't claim that most do, but there is a small percentage who do. I would also bet that there are indeed at least a few who regret even trying (due to failure to pass) even despite being actually trans.

>The rest of us transition and end up feeling happier.

I don't doubt that those who successfully transition do become happier, and the value of human happiness cannot be understated.

Also the other anon who responded to you isn't me.

>>8536486

>So you want the novelty factor?

I suppose you could put it that way.

I would also leap at the opportunity to date, say, a nice Russian girl (trans or not), because she too could offer me a unique perspective on life that I otherwise would never have been privy too. Does that make me a chaser of Russian girls?

You could replace Russian with Chinese or Nigerian or French or anything else.

>Thats no less creepy than just wanting to fuck a chick with a dick.

Is it any more creepy than wanting to "fuck a chick" with a vag? All dating ultimately has a sexual motive (unless you're asexual), much as we may pretend otherwise out of politeness.

I mean, yeah, ideally I'd love to have both the perspective and the sexual intimacy.

>You obviously have a reason for wanting a relationship with a trans girl specifically, and it doesn't seem to be specifically a sex thing.

I think in my desire to avoid the chaser label, I may have excessively deemphasized my desire for sexual intimacy.

Yes, there is a sexual element. But ideal relationships aren't strictly sexual in nature - those are hookups. I want something that combines sexual intimacy with emotional and conversational intimacy.

>Seeing as its a neologism invented specifically to discredit trans women.

I didn't know that, nor did I initially interpret it that way, but I guess I see how it could be used to delegitimize certain transwomen.

>That said. You:
>a) seem to relate to trans girls in non-sexual way
>b) want to dress like a girl
>c) want to be able to be perceived as a girl

Again, I do desire sexual intimacy. But points B and C are pure personal fetishism that I will be keeping private.

>>8536486

>You really can't on the available evidence.

>You seem to be very familiar with bigotry and quack-psychologist rhetoric on trans people, but have almost no understanding or experience beyond that.

And that's precisely why communicating with actual transwomen is so useful. It's true, I don't have any understanding or experience beyond that, because I'm not trans myself. But in speaking with transwomen in this thread alone I've learned quite a bit.

Do you see why I would welcome the opportunity to date a nice transgirl?

>>8536514

>Mostly I just want them to realise they can be a girl if they want.

Thanks, but I like my own penis too much for this. And there are certain advantages to being male that I would never trade away in the interest of pursuing what, for me, is a fetish, to its absolute extreme.

>>8538549
>Thanks, but I like my own penis too much for this.

>Spends thousands of words rationalising boner for dickgirls on digital dickgirl forum.
>HURP DURP I can't be a girl, I have dick LOL
Every fucking time

>>8539195

That's... not what I said at all. You make it sound as if I'm implying that transgirls who like/keep their dicks aren't real transgirls, but that's literally not at all what was implied by my comment.

I was speaking specifically for myself. I personally have no interest in living my life as a transwoman does.

I'm in no sense suggesting that transwomen who keep their dicks are somehow lesser transwomen, and I'm sorry that it was even possible for my comment to be misinterpreted that way.

>>8539799
You just phrased yourself poorly, it's fine. To your benefit, I won't be joining in on the 'they must be trans!' bandwaggon going around. [spoiler]even though I really want to[/spoiler]


>>8538424

>at least a few who regret even trying (due to failure to pass) even despite being actually trans.

That's on society, but you are correct. You're kinda clumsy, but also very nice and respectful so I'll let your mishaps slide. Good luck finding your cute gf (or bf), chaser-senpai.

>>8538201
I agree with everything said here in terms of goal oriented thinking and just trying to achieve things in general that's solid advice

>>8538549
>And that's precisely why communicating with actual transwomen is so useful. It's true, I don't have any understanding or experience beyond that, because I'm not trans myself. But in speaking with transwomen in this thread alone I've learned quite a bit.
>Do you see why I would welcome the opportunity to date a nice transgirl?
Why would any trans girl date you in this situation though?

>>8539799
you are saying that you can't be a girl because you have a dick though. which is false.

I imagine this is likely the first time anyone has suggested to you directly that not only can you just be a girl if you want, but you quite possibly already are. Otherwise, you would realise how your responses look.

>>8540386
>To your benefit, I won't be joining in on the 'they must be trans!' bandwaggon going around. [spoiler]even though I really want to[/spoiler]
I will. It's much nicer to imagine anon as a repressed trans girl, than a fully paid-up member of some MRA/Red-pill/Nofap cult which seems to be the lone source of their information.

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>>8540671
You're such a bully, I love it. No, they are just /very likely a cis dude/ without much perspective. You can tell by the way they try very hard to appeal to all possible sides of an argument and treat them as 'equal'. Either way, they are cool. You wanna hate on them you gotta get through me!

Transgirl in defense of chasers.

>>8529572
>missing the point entirely
toylike people make me boylike

>>8540705
>You're such a bully, I love it
No cis nerds allowed.

>No, they are just /very likely a cis dude/ without much perspective.
They are. But as many have mentioned. They're entirely literate in conservative/TERF/etc bullshit language about trans people (eg. bringing up "AGP" unprompted,) but have essentially no other knowledge.

This requires a certain amount of wilful ignorance.

>You can tell by the way they try very hard to appeal to all possible sides of an argument and treat them as 'equal'.
They're trying hard to appear that way.

>>8540671
>It's much nicer to imagine anon as a repressed trans girl, than a fully paid-up member of some MRA/Red-pill/Nofap cult
Could be both.

>>8541067
Are you calling someone a terf as you're gatekeeping an lgbt person from participating in an lgbt forum?

>>8541090
Almost definitely

>>8541108
Yes that is exactly what I'm doing obviously

>>8541158
What's wrong with her if she is a repressed trans MRA?

IT'S REALLY SUPER EASY

a chaser values the gender over the person - they might have come up with all sorts of twisted logic about why they're 'right' or 'good', but at the end of the day they want the D

chasers chase trans folk hard, get what they want and then generally vanish

the gold standard easy test for chasers is to ask, would they still be interested if the chasee was post-op? 99% will either say 'no' (honest) or come up with some bullshit reason why the chasee should keep their benis: 'it's part of who she is', 'she shouldn't have to mutilate herself to fit society' etc etc

seriously, if trans girls want to filter almost all chasers, tell them that they're post-op

>>8541158
It sure feels that way.

>>8541192
What if they just think the op is gross and makes the person have genitals they're not attracted to? Like I'm pretty sure a good portion of straight girls would change their mind if a guy they were dating did that to their penis too, or vice versa.

That seems overly judgmental when people just naturally have preferences in sexual attraction, which most relationships have something to do with (otherwise they'd just be content to remain friends).

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>>8540416
>that's solid advice
Thx. Most of my advice is solid which is why people dont want to listen to it, thats why you rarely see /chasergen/ thread put up anymore, because I so thoroughly BTFO angry transbians and beta chaser logic that it hurts for them to listen anymore. Growth is not a pain free process, because it involves killing your old self very slowly and methodically..... how hard do you think it is for a narcissist to kill the person they love most in this world?

Think about that.

>>8540705
>Transgirl in defense of chasers
I wanted to wife you until I saw the waifu Tbh
*discarded*

>>8541192
>IT'S REALLY SUPER EASY
See simple minds like this are the easiest to BTFO because they have a binary thinking process which is "black or white", "yes or no", "good or bad" when in reality not much in life is easy at all. The world is filled with a lot of "gray", "maybe", and "I didnt think they were capable of that".

>chasers chase trans folk hard, get what they want and then generally vanish
False. Just because that is your experience doesnt mean its universal. Im sure a lot of cis women could make the same claim about men in general. Relationships are complicated. Sometimes it doesnt work out just like it doesnt work out in cis relationships. Situations change, people change. Most relationships in this world dont last faM sorry to break it to you.

>the gold standard easy test for chasers
You are delusional. If a cis girl I was dating wanted a phalloplasty, I would leave her too. Hell it doesnt even have to be that major of a change, if I was dating someone and they told me they were going to get a full sleeve tattoo I would probably leave them. I dropped a cis girl I was dating because she got a tramp stamp. A relationship is not a permanent contract of commitment, hell not even marriage is realistically because divorce exists. If you change too much or your rate of growth doesnt match your partner you can expect to be dropped thats just real life faM.

>>8541654
>if I was dating someone and they told me they were going to get a full sleeve tattoo I would probably leave them. I dropped a cis girl I was dating because she got a tramp stamp.
Pathetic.

>>8541654
You're not my original chaser senpai, begone! Only they may notice me.

>>8541654
I haven't been on here for long so I don't know about your reputation. It would be a shame that folks could ignore that post just because of who you are. I really think that it applies not just to this but a lot of other things that hold people back from achieving what they should.

Same going for growth not being pain free, in my personal experience it has brought up many internal conflicts and struggles without reward but then one day things start working out and you can really just look at your own progress. Being able to attribute that to your own personal effort can really change your perspective.

I'm going off topic with this though, I'm really thinking big picture. Finding a good job, being a good artist, musician etc

>>8540386

>You just phrased yourself poorly, it's fine.

I see that I have to learn to be more tactfully worded, I guess, but thanks for offering me the benefit of the doubt.

>To your benefit, I won't be joining in on the 'they must be trans!' bandwaggon going around. [spoiler]even though I really want to[/spoiler]

I'm curious - why do you (and the other girl) "really want to"?

>>8540386

>That's on society, but you are correct.

Yes, I realize the blame here lies entirely on (ultimately instinct-driven (is it this type of comment that sounds "clumsy" to you?)) society. In an ideal world nobody would care what people identify as or how they dress/look, but sadly we don't exactly live in an ideal world.

>You're kinda clumsy, but also very nice and respectful so I'll let your mishaps slide. Good luck finding your cute gf (or bf), chaser-senpai.

Thank you kindly.

>>8540705

>You're such a bully, I love it. No, they are just /very likely a cis dude/ without much perspective. You can tell by the way they try very hard to appeal to all possible sides of an argument and treat them as 'equal'. Either way, they are cool. You wanna hate on them you gotta get through me!

>Transgirl in defense of chasers.

How encouraging. I legitimately appreciate it.

>>8540671

>Why would any trans girl date you in this situation though?

I'm not saying anyone would necessarily "want" to date me, I'm saying I'd welcome the opportunity. You keep extracting info from my comments that isn't actually there.

>you are saying that you can't be a girl because you have a dick though. which is false.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I personally have no desire to live as a transwoman does. That doesn't mean that I think that a dick absolutely disqualifies a person from being a (trans)woman.

Again, I was speaking strictly for myself with that comment.

>I imagine this is likely the first time anyone has suggested to you directly that not only can you just be a girl if you want,

It is the first time, yes, and I don't disagree that it's true that I could live as a transgirl ~if I want~.

>but you quite possibly already are.

And this is where I'm not seeing the connection.

>Otherwise, you would realise how your responses look.

Why does the way I identify myself matter with regard to how my responses "look"? I don't have any ulterior motives here.

>>8540671

>I will. It's much nicer to imagine anon as a repressed trans girl, than a fully paid-up member of some MRA/Red-pill/Nofap cult which seems to be the lone source of their information.

So in your mind, I could any combination of:

-Redpiller
-Chaser
-MRA
-Ignorant hateful conservative
-Nofapper
-TERF
-Repressed transgirl

Is that about right?

Technically, I could literally be all of those at once.

But isn't it possible I'm none of them?

I have to ask - would you be happy if I came out and said 'yes, you're right, I just realized I've been a repressed transgirl all along'?

I wonder. Do you see yourself in me, to some extent? Are you worried I might end up making the 'wrong' choice? Do you struggle with your own complex feelings about trans issues?

>>8540705

>No, they are just /very likely a cis dude/ without much perspective.

This is exactly what it is, and it's exactly why I -want- perspective.

>>8541817

I'm not just noticing but recognizing and commending you for defending me.

Thanks again, anon-chan. (uh would 'san' be preferable here) (tfw i've spent so much time watching anime but still don't quite get the japanese honorific system)

>>8543521
>Thanks again, anon-chan. (uh would 'san' be preferable here) (tfw i've spent so much time watching anime but still don't quite get the japanese honorific system)
I'm beginning to think you might not be 100% genuine

>>8544154

Oh goodness. In what sense?

Somehow there's a lot of doubt of my genuineness in this thread.

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>>8531713

>Could you clarify what you mean by this?
Well, if someone admitted to me some facet about themselves that they they really wanted to change, or have already worked hard to change, then I wouldn't want to date them if I was attracted to that thing. It's bad for them, obviously, but it's also bad for me because I can't really indulge in that thing without hurting them, and I can't really support them in their endeavor to change it.

>I'm after all varieties of cute women to some extent.
If the fact that they're trans is incidental and you just sort of consider them a girl and treat them as such, then you're probably golden to them.
>I think I agree. And I think, to an extent, that advice can be generalized to any romantic relationship: treat the unique quirks that may make a person alluring, but may at the same time cause the same individual insecurity, as incidental.
Yup, that's the idea. I don't know if you're OP or not, but you certainly don't strike me as a chaser with those responses.

I need a grlfriend

>>8544223

Yep, that was me, the ever-defensive OP here.

>If the fact that they're trans is incidental and you just sort of consider them a girl and treat them as such, then you're probably golden to them.

I'm probably (obviously) bisexual or something. To be crude, I value penises about equally with vaginas. I will not pretend that I wouldn't be a little disappointed if, in a hypothetical scenario, my trans GF decided to go through with SRS.

But so long as the end result actually looked and felt enough like a natural human vagina, I don't think I'd be too devastated for too long.

What I'd be most scared of, really, is the risk that something would go wrong or the risk that the end result might end up looking unnatural.

Maybe you could argue that that's a little shallow, but before anyone accuses me of anything: would it really be transphobic/shallow of me to think that way? I can almost guarantee that the overwhelming majority of transwomen who go for SRS *those who may be participating in this thread included) would want an SRS result to look and feel like as absolutely natural of a human vagina as possible.

>Yup, that's the idea. I don't know if you're OP or not, but you certainly don't strike me as a chaser with those responses.

Thanks. Yeah, that's genuinely how I feel about it, for whatever it's worth.

>>8544286

likewise

>>8527384
Chaser doesn't have a meaning, stop worrying about it. It's one of those vague meaningless words girls throw around like 'creeper'. It basically just means 'guys I don't like'.

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>>8544516
>But so long as the end result actually looked and felt enough like a natural human vagina, I don't think I'd be too devastated for too long.
>What I'd be most scared of, really, is the risk that something would go wrong or the risk that the end result might end up looking unnatural.
Eh, I'd say that's fair enough. The fact that you're bi may be concerning to certain trans girls, since it's the kind of thing that may make one worry about whether you really saw them as a girl. It's not necessarily a disqualifier, but something to keep in mind, ya know? Hell, you can find trans women that don't mind using their boy bits in certain situations (yo), but they're usually confident in themselves enough to not want to be with someone who might see them as a guy (also yo). It's kind of a thin, tedious line to tread, really.

>>8544541

>The fact that you're bi may be concerning to certain trans girls, since it's the kind of thing that may make one worry about whether you really saw them as a girl.

There's a reason I specifically said "I'm probably bisexual or something". I don't actually have any sexual interest in traditionally 'masculine' men. But I do have sexual interest in women, and by some strange twist of fate, I also have a sexual interest in penis.

As for the men I like: the more believably feminine, the better. At the ideal end, passing crossdressers and 'traps'.

As for the women I like, at the ideal end: attractive cis women, and passing transwomen. In this context, I feel like the words "passing" and "attractive" mean approximately the same thing, and -everyone- ideally wants an attractive partner.

To be crude, again, it's not that I would see a fully passing transgirl as a 'dude with tits'. Ideally, I -would- really see them as a girl... who may or may not happen to have a penis. And as a guy who happens to value both penis and vagina sexually, but has no serious sexual interest in masculinity: that would be great for me either way!

Of course, I would desire all of the other elements that make a relationship a true relationship, too. Like, not just sexual intimacy, but emotional and conversational mental intimacy too.

Now the question is,

>you can find trans women that don't mind using their boy bits in certain situations (yo)

>they're usually confident in themselves enough to not want to be with someone who might see them as a guy (also yo).

That sounds cool.

But where in God's name do I actually find you people?

>>8544516
>But so long as the end result actually looked and felt enough like a natural human vagina, I don't think I'd be too devastated for too long.
>What I'd be most scared of, really, is the risk that something would go wrong or the risk that the end result might end up looking unnatural.
>Maybe you could argue that that's a little shallow, but before anyone accuses me of anything: would it really be transphobic/shallow of me to think that way? I can almost guarantee that the overwhelming majority of transwomen who go for SRS *those who may be participating in this thread included) would want an SRS result to look and feel like as absolutely natural of a human vagina as possible.


Tha'ts very, very bad. I can understand you might think in this 'shallow' way about some imaginary girl you don't know or particularly care about, but this can't be your approach in an actual relationship. What we do, we do in an attempt to fend off all of our ugly feelings that bring us down and depress us. A partner is supposed to comfort you, not add more your own dysphoria. I am not saying you can make yourself like a 'failed srs' or anything else, but your love and affection for your partner are supposed to trump all of those feelings.


>>8544540
moron

>>8544613

>Tha'ts very, very bad. I can understand you might think in this 'shallow' way about some imaginary girl you don't know or particularly care about, but this can't be your approach in an actual relationship. What we do, we do in an attempt to fend off all of our ugly feelings that bring us down and depress us. A partner is supposed to comfort you, not add more your own dysphoria. I am not saying you can make yourself like a 'failed srs' or anything else, but your love and affection for your partner are supposed to trump all of those feelings.

I agree with all of this. It's the source of my fear regarding SRS, but a less-than-perfect result alone wouldn't be sole grounds for me leaving the person.

It's why I've also repeatedly stressed the importance of having a deep emotional connection. It's why I've stressed the importance of perspective.

See:

>>8538514
>>8544595
>>8527384
>>8538424

And so on and so forth.

I would certainly be there for them, so long as the relationship had been deeper and more meaningful than just sex, throughout the entire process.

Hell, I'd even help them to select a surgeon if my input were desired on that front.

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>>8544595
>I don't actually have any sexual interest in traditionally 'masculine' men. But I do have sexual interest in women, and by some strange twist of fate, I also have a sexual interest in penis.
Oh, got it. Maybe I'm too much of a snowflake, but I always thought of sexual attraction in terms of attraction to masculinity versus femininity, rather than by biological sex. Like, bisexual would be attracted to both, straight would be strictly one, and straight+ would be one, but with some wiggle room on the biological part.
I guess it depends on people's definition of the word.
>But where in God's name do I actually find you people?
I unno, man, trannies are a rare breed. And the ones that are like that are a rare breed within that rare breed; all I can say is best of luck.

>>8541067

>No cis nerds allowed.

;(

>They are. But as many have mentioned. They're entirely literate in conservative/TERF/etc bullshit language about trans people (eg. bringing up "AGP" unprompted,) but have essentially no other knowledge.

I applied the term AGP to myself because it seemed appropriate. I have literally never applied it to anyone else, nor do I have any intent to. Again, you're reading much too deeply into my comments.

I have no other knowledge because, like we've established, I have extremely limited perspective.

>They're trying hard to appear that way.

Yes, I am. Because I don't know for myself which arguments are valid or not - so I propose an argument and allow it to either survive or get shut down by those who know better than I do. It's happened several times in this thread already.

I recognize that, of course, not all arguments are always equal at all times. If we were debating climate change, for example, I'd have a much easier time accepting the good arguments and dismissing the bad ones, because climate change is an issue I'm far more familiar with than trans issues.

Once again, this is why I value perspective. It helps to correct my own misconceptions and preconceived notions.

>>8541876
Aiiight faM all the good look. My name is Carth and you will see me from time to time. Sometimes I spit knowledge tryna help teach these young robots, but most the time I am just talkin shit and chasing trannies.

The reality is everybody can smell a prison gay beta cuck sophist that cant get any pussy from a mile away and even autistic trannies are turned off by that shit. So OP can continue to argue and debate and pretend he is on some altruistic learning mission or whatever his current ego defense mechanism is, but everybody knows what the deal is by now.

On that note im gonna peace out (:

>>8543521
>But isn't it possible I'm none of them?
>I have to ask - would you be happy if I came out and said 'yes, you're right, I just realized I've been a repressed transgirl all along'?
>I wonder. Do you see yourself in me, to some extent? Are you worried I might end up making the 'wrong' choice? Do you struggle with your own complex feelings about trans issues?
I'm already trans.

Honestly, to me you couldn't have pasted a bigger "Please tell me I can be a girl" sign on your OP if you'd come in asking for information on the rumours of a "spells 'r' us" wizard you'd heard about on the internet.

>>8544682
>Again, you're reading much too deeply into my comments.
Have you read your comments? They total to a small book, it's impossible not to read more into them.

You're painting yourself into a very specific niche and it's only occupied by repressed transgirls, chasers who won't admit it's a sex thing and evangelists here to share the good news about Jesus/Not masturbating/the SJW conspiracy.

The occasional naive straight guy might wander in there, but they don't spend 10000 words on how they can fuck trannies without being seen as a guy that wants to fuck trannies.

>>8544682
>If we were debating climate change, for example...
Strangely I made this comparison too.

>>8544682
Why do you say you're AGP?

>>8545317

>I'm already trans.

I know. That's why I wish you had answered the preceding questions.

>Honestly, to me you couldn't have pasted a bigger "Please tell me I can be a girl" sign on your OP

Have you taken a close look at the OP image? It's an anime girl with an obvious bulge. I've arguably made a mockery of you.

>if you'd come in asking for information on the rumours of a "spells 'r' us" wizard you'd heard about on the internet.

wut

>You're painting yourself into a very specific niche and it's only occupied by repressed transgirls, chasers who won't admit it's a sex thing and evangelists here to share the good news about Jesus/Not masturbating/the SJW conspiracy.

I'm no dogmatist, so those last few options don't apply.

I've already admitted that it is, at least in part, a sex thing. The sex would ideally be complementary and not the core foundation of the entire relationship, otherwise it's a hookup/extended hookup.

So that, in your mind, leaves repressed transgirl as the only remaining option.

Okay.

I will admit to having done a cost-benefit analysis on continuing to live my life as a cis male vs. living my life as a transwoman.

I concluded that the net effect of living as a transwoman on my happiness would be negative.

Does that make me a repressed transgirl? Is it not possible that I'm just empathetic?

>Have you read your comments?

I have gone through and reread them. I have arguably projected in every single one. Each is a description of a desire I would have as a transgirl, or a fear I would have in the transitioning process.

But I read it as empathy.

>Strangely I made this comparison too.

It's a popular topic nowadays, with many arguments but one obvious set of answers. It makes a good analogy, I think.

I am beginning to think we may be more similar than we realize. Or, at least, more than either of us would like to admit to ourselves.

>>8547642
>I will admit to having done a cost-benefit analysis on continuing to live my life as a cis male vs. living my life as a transwoman.
>I concluded that the net effect of living as a transwoman on my happiness would be negative.
What were the costs and benefits on each side?

>>8545337

>You're a cuckold.

And a redpiller, and a chaser, and an MRA, and an ignorant hateful conservative, and a nofapper, and a TERF, and a repressed transgirl.

I suppose anything, or any combination of things, is possible.

>>8538201
>>8541654
>>8544877

I have actually read each of you comments and I generally agree with you. You've said nothing that's factually incorrect, only harsh truths.

>So OP can continue to argue and debate and pretend he is on some altruistic learning mission or whatever his current ego defense mechanism is, but everybody knows what the deal is by now.

But please don't doubt my desire to be altruistic. I believe it is genuine.

And if you would like me to substantiate this claim, I accidentally left my OP tripcode on in another topic.

>>8544018

You can probably verify that it's me by the writing style alone.

Feel free to follow the entire conversation. I was not chasing an abuse victim, I genuinely had a desire to help him. Because I recognize the importance of human contentedness.

>>8547642
>Does that make me a repressed transgirl?
Yes.

>>8547742

Substantiate your claim.

>>8545361

Welp what?

>>8545948

Because the fantasy of having an ideal female body is, to be crude, arousing. It's strictly fetishistic, and in my case, does not actually make me transgendered.

>>8547650

Costs:

-I would lose all of the many privileges of living as a male
-I would not necessarily gain any female privileges unless I completely passed
-Hormones would induce impotence, which would be devastating as I do like my penis
-Masculine traits like a height of 6'1" and certain facial features make passing extremely unlikely
-Social marginalization and all its many awful consequences
-The costs of medicine/surgery/etc. is extremely prohibitive, plus I have deep surgical anxiety and surgeries can go wrong or have counterproductive results
-Parental disownership
-Hormone-induced mood changes

I mean I could go on for ages.

Benefits:

-Playing with my new tits might make me slightly more erect, except for the fact that the hormones would make erection and ejaculation quite difficult, and I'd actually absolutely hate looking in the mirror or touching or acknowledging any part of my transwoman self unless I passed 100% (and I'd not only have to pass, but be attractive).

The net effect on my happiness would be negative.

>>8547744
You want to be a girl but act like if you don't acknowledge it it'll go away.

>this thread
>all these dudes feeling like they are entitled to women's bodies

jesus christ am I glad I'm not straight

>>8547867
>>all these dudes feeling like they are entitled to women's bodies
what does that phrase even mean?

>>8547867
OP needs to learn that he's not entitled to women's bodies.
But is entitled to a woman's body.
His own.
Via hormone replacement therapy.

>>8547964
meh i was talking less about op, more about the other PUA/MRA types that seem to have infested this place

>>8547974
They'd probably be better off that way too.

>>8547859

>You want to be a girl

I am intrigued by the fantastical idea of being an -ideal- girl.

>but act like if you don't acknowledge it it'll go away.

I don't realistically expect any elements of my persona to just suddenly "go away". Refusal to acknowledge my thoughts and feelings is not necessarily going to make them disappear. I don't like to delude myself.

But what do you propose I do about it, within reason?

>>8547964

>OP needs to learn that he's not entitled to women's bodies.

I am no more entitled to another person's body than you or anyone else is to their own romantic partner's body, that's true.

Unless you mean to argue that nobody is entitled to a romantic partner under any conditions.

>>8548049
>I am intrigued by the fantastical idea of being an -ideal- girl.
You want to be attractive? Clearly I'm mistaken then, because that trait never occurs in women.

>But what do you propose I do about it, within reason?
Be a girl

>>8527384
transition and you wont ever have a problem sucking girl dick again bro

>>8548212

>You want to be attractive? Clearly I'm mistaken then, because that trait never occurs in women.

Men can be attractive too, although I wouldn't claim to be an example of an attractive male.

If the trait occurs in women, however, then hypothetically I could very well just go get myself an attractive girlfriend. Not that I'm suggesting that would be easy.

Everybody wants to be attractive. Everybody wants to be surrounded by beauty.

>Be a girl

You missed a part of my comment. I said "within reason".

>>8548214

I'm not quite so shallow as to want to transition myself for the sole purpose of sucking a cute girl off.

>>8527384
"Chaser" carries connotations of creepiness, so no, you can't be a chaser and not be creepy.

>>8550730
I could accept this if I had to. I'm broken enough to consider that a decent life and be thankful for it.

>>8549363
>You missed a part of my comment. I said "within reason".
Whats unreasonable about it? you can just start being a girl now if you want. Anything further is up to you.

>>8549379

So now the question is: am I a chaser?

>>8551146

>I called you a cuckold because you literally want to submit to tranny's demands

...Within reason, I suppose. All genuinely romantic partnerships require reciprocal submission to some extent, if you want to put it that way.

Go to any wedding in which each partner equally values the other, and you'll hear that the vows are the same.

>like a good goy

lol

>just so she wouldn't consider you a "creep".

But why would I want to be considered a creep?

I mean, I wouldn't go absolutely out of my way to submissive upon meeting her for the first time. That in itself would be creepy.

>her opinion does not matter.

And why do you say this?

>>8550766

How and why did you become so broken that those terms seem reasonable to you?

I seriously doubt that's really what you want. You're probably just lonely and confused and almost certainly have undeservedly low self-worth as a consequence of the hardships of your life.

I think you can do better than being a literal slave.

>>8551757

>Whats unreasonable about it? you can just start being a girl now if you want.

See this list:

>>8547764

I would be sacrificing a lot to live as a transwoman does.

>>8552041
>Am I a chaser
From what I'm gathering in the thread being a chaser is to do with being creepy
I also have the idea that what is 'being creepy' varies between individuals. So I'm going to say that to some you are a chaser and to others you arent.

Im sure some people will take my flirty nature as being creepy and others will just see that as my friendliness. Or how I'm kind of tactile can be taken well or not.
Overall I don't think it's a good question to ask because there actually is no straight answer I think the thing to take from this is stop giving a hoot OP!
I really don't think there is a formula to it. S:
Just the odd person with a stronger opinion than others
I've been in and out of the thread over a while so I may have missed it but where did the question come from the original one. did something happen to bring it to mind? If you answered already can you link me to the post (hard browsing on mobile)

>>8552104

I think what you say is reasonable. It's almost certainly case-dependent; some will find me creepy or chaser-ish no matter what, and hopefully some won't.

>I've been in and out of the thread over a while so I may have missed it but where did the question come from the original one. did something happen to bring it to mind? If you answered already can you link me to the post (hard browsing on mobile)

It's just my own general anxiety over the chaser label and trying to figure out how to avoid it. Certainly there must be particular characteristics and behaviors that make a chaser a chaser, or make a person more likely to be regarded as a chaser. If I know what those are, I can hopefully identify and squash that behavior if ever I see it in myself.

>>8552148
What's the nature of your attraction to trans people?

Do you have cross-sex fantasies yourself?

>>8552041
>See this list:
>>>8547764
>I would be sacrificing a lot to live as a transwoman does.
You can just decide to be a girl and then you are a girl. It's pretty easy.

If you want to start HRT, etc. thats up to you.

>>8552148
My advice? Don't think on it too hard. In the case of MtF: Treat them like a cis women. Don't touch their penis. Don't worship the ground they walk on. Be the more masculine of the two of you, she only wants one pussy, she doesn't need two.

If one calls you a chaser, oh well, your life isn't over. There's plenty more who aren't retarded that you can date. When it comes to compromises in the relationship, be sure they're fair and never be afraid to put your foot down when you know something isn't right, or else they'll think they can run over top of you. Most won't try to test your boundaries too much in fear of losing you, especially if you prove the be an emotionally supportive partner.

And like with any good relationship, try being their friend first. Don't just jump into dating them. If the two of you can be friends on the basis of compatible interests and mutual fondess of one another, a romantic relationship has a sturdier base to stand on.

>>8552198
>Treat them like a cis women.
>Don't touch their penis.

>>8552200
Was more of a emphasis, cause it tends to be a reoccurring issue with MtF dating, but yes, it's chuckle worthy.

>>8552200
funny when its isolated like that

>>8552198
But this anon has it spot on I feel especially that last paragraph as general advice (i wish someone told me that in the past ;p)

>>8552148
Well really and truly until you experience cases IRL where you deal with that label I wouldn't even think about trying to change who I/you am/are
Got a bit grammatically confused there...

Just take it easy friendo, chicks dig that ;)

>>8527425

I used to look for bf's on Craigslist cause I wanted to be someone's cute trap. I'm 19 not disgusting, kids refer to me as female. (I didn't consider myself passable until kids called me a girl, cause kids are brutally honest about shit like that.)
All I got from Craigslist was guys looking for one night stands. I wanted nothing more than a boyfriend so I had to move to different places other than Craigslist.

>>8528268
If she's completely passable you can't tell that she was actually a man at one point. So just date "girls" until you stumble across your perfectly passable teams girl.
Problem solved

>>8552164

>What's the nature of your attraction to trans people?

>Do you have cross-sex fantasies yourself?

I have recently taken interest in crossdressing, and I admitted as much in this thread.

The nature of my attraction to transgirls is, I think, that some part of me would like to live vicariously through one.

>>8552175

>You can just decide to be a girl and then you are a girl. It's pretty easy.

But how would changing my pronouns and doing absolutely nothing else help me at all? In a best case scenario it would do nothing for me. In a realistic case scenario it would actively harm me if I still looked and behaved like a male.

>>8552198

Agreed with just about everything, although I question the extent to which it's necessary to be "masculine".

And of course, natural friendship would probably be a good place to start.

Maybe it's just a matter of training away that chaser anxiety.

>>8552200

lol

I mean, to be fair, you quite literally couldn't touch a cis woman's penis either.

>>8552388

>Just take it easy friendo, chicks dig that ;)

I'll try.

>>8555109
Just be a girl. You don't even have to tell anyone

There is literally no possible harm that could come from it.

>>8552789

This is so sweet and naive and innocent. You went to Craigslist of all places looking for a genuine long-term boyfriend?

Why did you choose Craigslist?

The whole reason I would never use Craigslist to seek a long-term relationship (or any kind of relationship) is because it has a reputation for being a platform for the trashiest hookups ever. That's precisely why you got the responses you did - nobody has any real expectations for Craigslist. It's a hovel of depravity and disease and ten-minute hookups.

Did you ever end up finding a platform a little more suitable for you?

I hope you did eventually find the boyfriend you were looking for.

>>8553871

I try to limit myself to one line break per argument, but yeah, I guess it does end up looking a little like Reddit spacing.

Oh well.

>>8552806

It's exceedingly unlikely that I would ever just randomly end up dating a nice transgirl purely by happenstance, though. They make up a tiny percent of the population, and on top of that, many of them go out of their way to hide their status (for logical reasons, to be fair).

I don't want to leave it up to mere minuscule chance.

people hate on chasers because it's a meme and a lot of them are real abominations.
If a guy isn't a turbocreep I don't think most reasonable people would care. I'd date a chaser if he wasn't a freak, if they turned out to be closeted trans I guess that'd be fine too

>>8556701

So try to avoid being an abomination or a freak or a creep.

Are all males who express an interest in crossdressing necessarily "closeted trans"?

>>8555950

I suppose this is true.

Could I identify as a girl when it's within reason to do so, and then identify as a male the rest of the time? Is it fair to want to have it both ways?

>>8558160
>Could I identify as a girl when it's within reason to do so, and then identify as a male the rest of the time? Is it fair to want to have it both ways?
It's up to you.

>>8560671

I suppose this is also true.

Thanks for your patience in getting me to understand this.

Now it's a matter of if, and to what degree, I can make myself passable without ever touching hormones or electing surgical methods or otherwise making irreversible changes.

>>8544641

>Oh, got it. Maybe I'm too much of a snowflake, but I always thought of sexual attraction in terms of attraction to masculinity versus femininity, rather than by biological sex. Like, bisexual would be attracted to both, straight would be strictly one, and straight+ would be one, but with some wiggle room on the biological part.

That's basically how I see it too. By your definition I guess I'm straight+. I'm not generally attracted to traditionally "masculine" features, it's just that I happen to be -so- straight that I'd suck a cute transgirl or trap off or let her ram my prostate.

I'm so straight that I want a girl(male) or a girl(female) to treat me like a girl, perhaps even while I'm dressed as a girl.

How hilariously ironic.

>>8527384
Here's how to get a qt trans gf.

1. Make yourself the kind of guy that women want.
2. Go to where the trans women are.
3. Show the trans woman that catches your eye why you are right for her. Treat her like any other woman.

It's that easy.

If you're having problems then you haven't done #1 properly.

>>8561468
>Now it's a matter of if, and to what degree, I can make myself passable without ever touching hormones or electing surgical methods or otherwise making irreversible changes.
look I'll be blunt. questions like this...
>Could I identify as a girl when it's within reason to do so, and then identify as a male the rest of the time? Is it fair to want to have it both ways?
...followed by statements like this...
>Now it's a matter of if, and to what degree, I can make myself passable without ever touching hormones or electing surgical methods or otherwise making irreversible changes.
Make you seem totally divorced from reality.

You sound like you're starting your first day working a retail job, but also worrying about whether they'll make you CEO or not.

My advice:
1) get some cheap girl clothes that fit. Simple stuff, top, skirt, panties, etc.

shave body hair

See if you like it (you will)

2) For actual advice. Find somewhere inhabited by trans girls and preferably one that doesn't use terms like...
>trap
>AGP
>girl(male)
...except to dismiss them as nonsense.

( http://genderanalysis.net/ is a good start )

>>8562750

I realize just how delusional that comment must have sounded, but I'm quite serious about this. In fact,

>1) get some cheap girl clothes that fit. Simple stuff, top, skirt, panties, etc.

>shave body hair

I'm already two steps ahead of you. I've probably bought >$250 worth of cheap clothing to experiment with in the past few months.

I bought an epilator an Nair, too. I've used them. I do like the result. But I have always preferred minimal body hair - I had been using razors to shave myself near clean for years before that (wasn't easy). I don't have much body hair to begin with.

I even bought makeup. Eyeliner, lipstick, etc. The YouTube tutorials are massively helpful.

I submitted pics here to another thread, and astoundingly I wasn't met with repulsion.

I realize if I'm going to do this without ever taking the FtM hormone regimen, I have a huge uphill battle. But I genuinely understand the practical importance of passing, and if despite my best efforts I still end up not passing, I will simply quit.

But I already have a slim frame, decently sized hips, I can build glutes/thighs/etc. via exercise (which I have indeed been doing)...

My greatest challenge here may be my height. I also won't have significant breast tissue, but I can probably use clothing to strategically distract from that fact.

>2) For actual advice. Find somewhere inhabited by trans girls and preferably one that doesn't use terms like...

I only use those terms -here- because I know you all know what I'm talking about when I use them, and in that sense they're convenient. I would -never- actually use them in real life, or in reference to another person, because obviously they'd make me look like a complete lunatic creep.

4chan is a community of lunatics, so I feel I can get away with it here. There is also a self-deprecation element in referring to oneself as, say, a trap or a girl(male). I self-deprecate a lot. I opened the thread by calling myself a chaser.

>>8527384
The problem is the dick thirst, and wanted to get "pounded".

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I'm not OP but fuggit, seems kinda relevant. I'm one of those poor unfortunate souls that was raised out in the middle of nowhere and thus did most of their growing up on the internet. Which PROBABLY fucked up my sexuality, but uhhh...

Yeah nah, I'd like a trans gf. Or cute bf. Or whatever.

But I wouldn't just date one because I want it in theory. A lot of transfags and /cb/ types tend to compensate for having really shit self-esteem by being raging whores or just kind of fucky, and do a lot of drugs, etc. I just want someone I can identify enough with to feel comfortable with, find comfort in. Honestly I want someone to take care of a little, too. And someone cute, of course, but half of that is personality.

My first relationship was with a trap I met as a boy living in the south, who was a weak, willowy little thing who had been abused a lot. I loved them like nothing else, but they were too broken to really trust anyone long, and it fucked me hard. Still not over that, because I cared about them and still do care about them deeply. So I just really want someone stable and loving and affectionate, and I want to be that in return.

I'm not creepy, I can talk to people IRL as well as if not better than most because my method of coping was forcing myself to, and I've worked out a bunch. I'm not insecure. I guess I just have fear because honestly my preferences mostly seem to lead me to people that will be emotional parasites at best.

I dunno. Thoughts?

>>8565483

The fact that I may -want- something doesn't mean I'm going to unreasonably -demand- it.

Everyone has wants and needs that they can't always have satisfied. If, in a hypothetical scenario, I had a trans GF who were uncomfortable with the idea of topping me, it's not like I would force her to do anything against her will. I'd simply drop the subject. There are other ways to relieve sexual tension.

Similarly, I wouldn't and couldn't force a strapon upon a cis girl and forcefully make her top me either. That would be absurd.

It's possible that I nay have a bit of a dick thirst, but again, I can control it. Dildos and things exist for good reason.

>>8565542
Dildoing yourself lessens your manlyness quite a lot, making you a lot less attractive... So, it's still a problem, even if you aren't forcing anyone.

>>8565604
You should literally never speak out again.

>>8567558
he's right tho'
giving yourself over to plastic is a sin and divides you from god :^)

>>8565523

>I just want someone I can identify enough with to feel comfortable with, find comfort in. Honestly I want someone to take care of a little, too. And someone cute, of course, but half of that is personality.

>So I just really want someone stable and loving and affectionate, and I want to be that in return.

This is basically what I want too. I want to love and help a vulnerable qt through what I know is a difficult situation.

>My first relationship was with a trap I met as a boy living in the south, who was a weak, willowy little thing who had been abused a lot. I loved them like nothing else, but they were too broken to really trust anyone long, and it fucked me hard. Still not over that, because I cared about them and still do care about them deeply. So I just really want someone stable and loving and affectionate, and I want to be that in return.

I'm quite envious, but yeah, the potential for deep self esteem issues worries me too.

But it's obvious where the insecurity of being trans comes from, so long as one has the empathy to understand. And it's not like those sorts of issues are impossible to repair - there are specialists for that.

tfw you will never accompany a your cute trans gf to her first therapy session, calming her fears all the while, her hand subtly tremoring in yours due to anxiety

It hurts.

>>8561737

#s 1 and 3 are entirely on me and I'm working on them, but

>2. Go to where the trans women are.

Which is...?

>>8571108
Major metropolitan areas.

Depending upon what your "type" is, look for clubs that advertise in the local queer papers/websites, or look for the queer-friendly chapters of whatever hobby/activity you like.

>>8572723

I do live within driving distance of NYC, but I've never been the club type (I've literally never been to one) and I feel like most cute transgirls would be too shy for that sort of thing.

I'm also worried that by seeking queer-friendly group activities, I'd be publicly outing myself as queer or a chaser or both (I am indeed both).

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