>Same-Sex marriage legalized in Germany + Anti hate-speech

>>8518647
Because fuck germany.

>>8518647
Schwule müssen vergast werden

i honestly can't believe it was illegal before. are there any euro countries left where same sex marriage is illegal still?

>>8518660
Poland. There are no civic unions either.

Because Erdogan cried about it

>>8518647
>Anti hate-speech laws enforced today

And 'hate speech' includes criticizing the government policy on certain matters.
Germany is de-facto totalitarian state.

Sure same sex-marriag will help big time from millions of gay-hating people Merkel in importing in and letting them run wild.

>>8518647
Everyone is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LhfKKgncg
rip krauts.

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>>8518647
A happy and sad day at the same time.

>>8518650
Fick dich selber du Homofürst

>>8518653
Verpiss dich du kantiges Kind

>>8518660
It was not *illegal*, we alternatively had civil unions, which were basically the same (marriage light), and it only differed in its name, adoption rights and the right of changing your last name to the one of your partner, and I think some other minor tax based stuff.
That's why it never really was a hot topic in the past 12+ years, especially while having Merkel and her CDU/CSU party.

And now Merkel used it to fuck with the SPD and Schulz with their election campaign. And probably because of coalitions with other parties (all other parties had homo marriage in their coalition contracts), making it impossible for the CDU to find a coalition partner other than the AFD.

>>8518688
Friendly reminder to all /pol/tards: Poland is anti-homo and anti-refugee, because it's a shit country and of no interest.

>>8518695
That's a sweet bonus

Why can't you guys just leave Christians alone? Why Christians?

>>8518714
Why not leave muslims alone? # not my muslims

>>8518716
What gay people are marrying in their churches? Muslims are the ones killings gays not Christians you cuck.

>>8518647
>Why is no one talking about this?
Why would we talk about blatant opportunism?

You sound like you think Germany actually cared about homosexuals.
Didn't they teach you about the Holocaust in school?

>>8518723
LGBT people can be religious including Christian too you moron.

>>8518647
>anti hate-speech
is that code for "if you disagree with me in any way you're a homophobe" just like muslims have "if you disagree with me in any way you're islamophobe", jews have "if you disagree with me in any way you're antisemite" and so on?

>>8518771
No. It's law restricting people from discriminating against certain people in certain aspects such as employment. Free speech is free speech no matter what and has always been so not sure where you're getting at with your comment

>>8518766
Ok so why do we need to change the rules for u? Go find a church that does it voluntarily then I don't have a problem with it. But stop forcing people to do this shit.

>>8518777
Legalizing just means forcing churches to do this.

>>8518771
It's code for "If you disagree with government policies, they'll lock you up."
Basically Canada and Sweden. And soon the UK as well.

>>8518688
Maybe one day :( but it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.

>>8518647
What a wonderful day, the abolition of free speech in Western Europe!

It's the 1930's all over again.

>>8518798
Yeah but we call it diversity now.

>>8518798
>same sex people were not allowed to get married
>they get freedom to do so
>assblasted /poo/lacks angry about their freedom of speech threatened

TOPPEST KEK BTFO

>>8518777
>>8518778
>Go find a church that does it voluntarily
Christ you're thick.
Churches couldn't even do it voluntarily until now BECAUSE IT WASN'T LEGAL.
Do you not understand what legalisation means?
Before today no churches could marry gays.
Now churches that want to are allowed to.
No church is forced to marry gay couples, this change literally means that those that want to can now.
Nobody is forced to marry gays you illiterate brain-dead imbecile.

>>8518827
I'm LGBT myself retard.

>>8518833
Yes it means churches don't need to do shit cause now they'll probably be fined for hatespeech if they don't.
Leave churches the fuck out of your gay shit.

>>8518846
>they'll probably be fined for hatespeech if they don't
name one instance when this has ever happened anywhere in the world
protip: it hasn't
nobody have ever been forced to marry gays, ever.
go back to your delusional echo chamber containment board unless you actually want to argue using facts, /pol/tard. no point me trying to debate somebody who is literally ignoring reality and facts.

>>8518861
>nobody have ever been forced to marry gays, ever.
No but certainly an old couple not baking a cake has destroyed some lives.

Has anyone thought that maybe churches won't outright say that they refuse to marry gay couples?

I mean, churches tend to get very booked up in advance. Maybe the only licenced celebrant at that church requires a stupid amount of wacky hijinks in order to be convinced that a couple should be allowed to wed at that venue.

Point is, as long as the venue doesn't outright say that they refuse to marry the gays, the law can't say shit.

If anything, capitalism will show the way. After all, when there is a surplus of demand, but the previous avenues of supply refuse to service the demand, new avenues will emerge.

I mean, look at Japan. There's a massive demand for Christian-type weddings, yet Christianity doesn't have much of a foothold over there. So, some enterprising Westerners build small, Christian-like chapels, dress like catholic priests and get a celebrants licence. All in pursuit of that filthy lucre.

>>8518908
the gay cake issue is totally separate to the marriage issue
and I believe people shouldn't be forced to make political or religious things they don't want to, including cakes with a pro-lgbt message

>>8518846
you're fucking retarded. Most LGBT people aren't religious either way

>>8518914
Maybe tell that to your comrades in the LGBT community who are demanding it on your behalf, and not the people who are already on what you claim is your side.

>>8518647
Because gay marriage is a joke and understandably boosts homophobia.

>>8518660
Northern Ireland.
Where abortions are also illegal.
And yet our government are throwing money at that backward retarded nation.

>>8518706
Angela Merkel voted against same sex marriage. Why? I thought she was supposed to be cool.

>>8518956
It's not a nation, it's part of one, and in case you haven't realized public services and infrastructure need spending regardless of gay marriage or abortion law.

>>8518962
lol what?? no she isnt hahaha. shes a fucking cunt

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>>8518706
>Fick dich selber du Homofürst

musste lachen

>>8518962
>>8518965
she's literally a conservicuck
part of the christian democratic party a right wing retard who imported Muslims to grow her voter base

>>8519056
this.

>>8519056
Obviously not that cucked going by this vote.

Not that it makes up for the importing the third world.

>>8519061
she's pandering to the left while also growing her conservative religions base it's genius she doesn't care about Germany only retarded traditionalism and power
She is seen as a hero by leftist while still getting to be a dumb religious politician and when the Muslims become citizens they will thanks her and she gets millions of new voters

>>8519087
Or she's giving both sides a reason to hate her.

I'm really quite happy for German gays although I must confess I thought it was already legalized. Much love and support from your western neighbours <3

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>anti hate-speech laws
Not this bullshit in my country.. oh god....

>>8518965
Does it not seem every so slightly convenient to you that the moment the Conservatives needed the Northern Irish DUP to prop up their government, they suddenly decided to make a massive investment into Northern Irish infrastructure, paid to the DUP? Despite Northern Ireland not being on their minds at all for the seven years prior that they've been in power?

>>8518922
Shut the fuck up you failed abortion. Nobody here is gung-ho for people forced to bake cakes for us but neither are we going to appease you and make you feel better. If I had it my way I'd do more than force you to bake a cake, I'd force you in a concentration camp.
Kill yourself, we are not here to apologize to you because you get triggered by homosexuality.

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>>8518660
Germany had civic unions with exact same status and benefits as marriage already. They just started calling it marriage and that's it.

And almost all of Eastern Europe lacks civic unions or marriage.Few exceptions being Slovenia, Croatia, Czechia and Hungary.

>>8519408
Also since no one else will say it I will

>dat Holy Roman Empire in central Europe

>>8518922
>durr I don't understand business laws work

If you serve cakes, you can't tell fags or niggers or chinks to fuck off when they're paying for cake, unless they're demanding some kind of special cake you don't serve.

So when fags want a cake, unless they order it shaped like a cock, just serve them like anyone else.

>>8519408

German person here.
No, it's not exactly the same. There were differences. Go inform yourself again.

>>8519408
No one in India, Pakistan or Afghanistan ever get tried for homosexuality.

>>8519450
Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code makes sex with persons of the same gender punishable by law.

You can get two years in Pakistan.

Afghanistan is going to be run by the fucking Taliban when the Americans withdraw (soon)

>>8519459
It's illegal but people don't get arrested for it.
Also Pakistan and Afghanistan are full of bacha bazi. It's actually a good thing if they put a stop to it.

>>8519450
That's because they're dead.

>>8518647
>Anti hate-speech laws
those laws contradict with the Grundgesetz and are illegal.
Hate speech is already forbidden unlike in the US.
All this law does is ensure that everything that MIGHT be VAGUELY unfriendly will be deleted within 24 hours. The law in it's current form is bullshit and dangerous. Habby about gay marriage though

>>8519087
>leftists

Found the American.

Pro-tip: Liberals are closer to the right wing than they are to the left.

>>8519357
You say that like your national socialist party never makes decisions our of political expediency.

Honest question: The muslim immigrants that have been flooding the country come from some of the most homophobic places on the planet. Will Germany actually enforce these laws against muslims who claim its their religious right?

>>8519515
>Will Germany actually enforce these laws against muslims who claim its their religious right?
Obviously not.

>>8519473
>those laws contradict with the Grundgesetz and are illegal.
>Hate speech is already forbidden
Which one is it, illegal or already the law?

>gay marriage in Germany happens
>/pol/yps immediately try to use it to get mad about Muslims

You guys literally cannot help yourselves, huh? Paranoid little bastards.

>>8519590
LGBT people get stoned in Germany. You don't think this matters?

>>8519408
>COMMUNISM IS PROGRESSIVE GUYS
>all the ex-communist states are the most regressive in Europe when it comes to LGBT rights
>all the capitalist states are the least

CLEARLY, I AM LOVE TO BE A FAG SUPPORTING LEFTISM!

>>8519614
lul where did you read this shit?

>>8519623
Much like how the US Democratic and Republican Parties of the 1800s are very different from their current incarnations, so too are modern communist parties different to those of the past.

Also, keep in mind that Lenin was quite progressive and furthered women's rights and made homosexuality legal, while Stalin (who basically reshaped the USR in his own image) was very regressive and rolled back these policies.

>>8519639
>Much like how the US Democratic and Republican Parties of the 1800s are very different from their current incarnations

they're far closer to their roots then modern popular media or the parties themselves want you to believe. There are still many Southern democrats and Northern republicans in this world. They may claim one loyalty or another from time to time, but the core beliefs remain the same. The tendency for republicans to gravitate toward self-sufficiency and for democrats to focus on community issues has always been the case since Lincoln took office.

>Lenin and Stalin

shame the latter was the one who shaped communism in Europe, huh!

>>8519628
How did you become so delusionally indoctrinated that you think it's impossible?

>>8519654
Yeah, it was a shame that Stalin influenced things, he was a monster. But, at the same time, you're being far too easy on capitalist societies who really only started to be pro-LGBT after the new Left in the 60s forced them to move forward.

Also lmfao at that dumb shit about the US parties.

>>8519664
because I live here you retard

>>8519664
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof

>>8519668
Just wondering how you can be so blindly ignorant that you think whatever you don't see on tv must not happen.

>>8519664
Listen, pal, just because a Muslim right-winger does a hate crime doesn't mean I'm gonna come running to a European right winger because you are both worthless pieces of trash who will ruin my life because of muh tradition.

>>8519682
>a Muslim right-winger

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>>8519664
>lgbt people get stoned in germany
>where's your proof?
>silly fool, how can you be so delusional?
What?

>>8519667
>m-muh FDR inverted le parties hypothesis

even your idol chomsky admits the democrats are hardly a bastion of leftist virtues anymore. I only push the envelope further and argue aside from the aberration from 1933-1968 it never has been.

>>8519470
He's too stupid to understand that.

>>8519707
Ok, and? I don't give a fuck about the Democrats, they're neoliberal trash and were never really leftist. You're not telling me anything I disagree with.

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>>8519681
http://www.focus.de/regional/dortmund/angriff-auf-frauen-in-dortmund-jugendliche-wollten-transsexuellen-paar-steinigen-bin-noch-immer-komplett-fertig_id_5218233.html
I've heard of that dumb story. You are pretending like it was a official stoning on the streets. What really happened was a bunch of refugees threw rocks they found on the sidewalk at a hon and her hon friend who were 37 and 50+. It were hons dude. Half the board here would throw stones at them aswell. It was one incident, where really nobody cared it happened.

But you read that shit on /pol/ or huffingtonpost or I don't even know and pretended like Germany is already so corrupted that we let stonings happen on the street. I think we have bigger problems than a bunch of teenager throwing stones at people. Like trucks crashing into masses of people or people doing allahu akbar on concerts. But you pick out the dumbest, lowest impact thing that happened ever since that refugee wave. But you are a /pol/tard so it's not a surprise you cherrypick the dumbest stuff as long as it fits your narrative.

Notice how I'm assuming you knew all that? Because you are so smart and were using a hyperbole on purpose, not to deceive people for you agenda or anything.

>>8519737
This stupid hurts

>>8519757
duh
don't you have that sticky on /pol/ with those logical fallacies? Why don't you read it

>>8518647
>Anti hate-speech laws enforced today
byebye free speech

>>8519515
"Refugees" are to be sent back once Syria gets peaceful. Whether it happens or not, these people are not going to get citizenships or voting rights.

>>8518723
Because the discussion is centered on the Western world, where killing gays is already illegal, so the problem of Muslims killing gays is addressed through law enforcement and the criminal justice system, and there really isn't much to say about it. Christians for the most part don't actually want to kill gays, but they do have considerable political power and can pass anti-gay laws. Even though the effect of these laws on each gay person isn't as bad as being murdered, the fact is that they apply to ALL gays, so overall the effect can be just as great if not greater.

>>8518908
That's because they were operating as a commercial business, not as a place of religious worship. It's the whole idea of church and state - commerce is regulated by the secular government, so it must abide by secular law, even if the people involved in commerce are religious. Religious marriage, on the other hand, has precisely zero weight as far as secular law is concerned, so there's no need for it to be regulated and subject to laws regarding business.

Furthermore, religion is also a protected class, so if your interpretation was true, it would be illegal for Christian churches to refuse to marry non-Christians to other non-Christians. And I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

>>8519485
Isn't stuff like LGBT rights and anti-racism considered socially left though?

>>8519623
A lot of formerly Communist states ended up completely reactionary and rejecting anything to do with Communism, which is why a lot of them have a resurgence of traditional values. And on top of that there really wasn't much continuing progressivism after the USSR stagnated in the late 20th century.

>>8519693
Most of the regressive stuff associated with Muslims is essentially motivated by traditionalism, which is a socially right-wing movement. Muslims may be economically leftist, or support leftist parties in Europe, but the whole religious conservative thing is right-wing, whether it's Christian fundamentalism or Islamic fundamentalism.

>>8519773
Germany isn't America.
They haven't had free speech in a very long time.

>>8519773
Protip: No country outside of America has legitimate free speech at this point.

Anyone else who nominally has free speech laws also has hatespeech distinctions, so all they do is protect speech that would never be silenced anyway.

America is the only one enforcing free speech as allowing unpopular speech, looking at the recent supreme court decisions.

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>>8518706
lol Your country will adopt Sharia within a generation at this rate. Celebrate your marxism if you so wish; your way of life is dying at a rapid rate.

>>8518827
>tfw these totalitarian retards now represent the average European
Can't wait until the leftist morons get to fully enjoy all the diversity.

>>8520416
>Sharia
>Marxism
Choose one.

>>8519056
>>8519057
>open borders, no guns or free speech, extreme political correctness, massive state, diversity makes us stronger dogma
>literally the opposite of the Republican party except for their position on gay marriage
>right-wing
Uh-huh.

>>8519977
>"Refugees" are to be sent back once Syria gets peaceful
lol Does anyone really believe this?

>>8520458
Does anyone actually believe that Syria will become peaceful?

>>8520582
It was

>>8520582
Eventually, it will. The forces of the legitimate government of Syria, along with their Russian and Iranian allies, are really just finishing up now. The major battles are over with. The big question going forward with the peace will be negotiations between the Bear and the Eagle.

>>8519515
No, of course not. It's not actually for hate speech of any variety. It's a means of imprisoning people for speaking out against the government on non-government-approved talking points. Just wait until Germany tries to create some fucking fascist internet bill under the guise of 'protecting the children' or whatever and people get silenced in droves. The future does not look positive.

>>8519737

I don't see how you can write this off because it proves pol are partially right, I live in an area of the UK which has some third or fourth generation Middle Eastern immigrants, and the areas they 'rule' are the areas I won't hold my bf's hand in, homophobic attacks are perpetuated but the police can't do anything bc the 'locals' clam up and don't co-operate

Just bc pol says it, doesn't automatically make it retarded, a stopped clock and all that

>>8519737
>You are pretending like it was a official stoning on the streets.
The lengths leftards go to in order to delude themselves.

>>8519485
t. /pol/

>>8520446
She wants to ban the niqab so she's on your side, faggot.

>>8518660
Still no same-sex marriage in most of central and eastern Europe: Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, most Balkan states.

And you can add Italy to it, and they won't have it for a least 10 years, thanks to the powerful Vatican.

>>8518775
In Germany, you can literally be arrested for posting opinions they don't like on the internet, and people have been arrested for just that.

>>8518962
She has been against same-sex marriage all her life and will be against it until she dies. She and her Christian-Democratic party are responsible for preventing same-sex marriage to happen these last twelve years (three terms). Nothing new here.

>>8520458
The same was said about Yugoslavia.
Thousands of refugees were sent back.

>>8518841
I wish there was a gay equivalent to 'Uncle Tom'. Because that's what your dumb ass is.

>>8521207
Germany, where opposing homophobia makes you an Uncle Tom!

Thanks for the update Goebbels.

>>8521223
Did you just imply that gay marriage is homophobic?

>>8521398
Read the thread retard.

>>8521398
It is, if you reflect enough about it.

>>8518647
Anti-hate speech laws...???
Muslims spouting hatred of everyone and nothing is done against them.
Good luck, Germany.

>>8521487
>If I reflect enough, I can make it anti-homosexual to give homosexual couples equal treatment under the law.

Brilliant. You should work in political campaigns.

>>8522602
I'd probably do better than you.

>>8518647
So does this cover all of western europe legalising gay marriage?

>>8523904
Based Ulster is holding out.

>>8523904
Austria and Italy still only have "civil partnerships" and I don't think those have at all the same legal rights as marriage. And of course, there's Vatican City.

>>8519737

>It doesn't count because it was an impromptu stoning, not an organized one! Those hons deserved it anyway for not being sensible and repressing themselves.

Please fellate a gun.

>>8519773
I like how we've come to the point where anti-free speech used to be getting arrested over speaking out againts class divide, corruption, poverty, gender and minority rights and now it's just edgy teens whining about not being able to say nigger without being called a racist.

>>8523949
>impromptu stoning
:^)

>>8523975
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>/lgbt/ is /pol/
Just shoot me in the head famlam. You people are fucking retarded beyond any saving. I hope Islam takes over Europe and wipes you out and you'd be probably satisfied than.

Welp, lasted longer than the Weimer Republic at least.

>>8518647
Because it would necessitate giving a shit about things that could fuck everyone and in Germany that is rare.

>>8524016
What's so bad about anything in this thread?

>>8524016
>You people are fucking retarded beyond any saving.
t. gay muslim

>>8530522
>muslim
I'm not even a muslim you fucking autist
Too bad you lost before you started
go screech some more about your freedom of speech being threatened by gay rights lmao

>>8530654
You're not talking any sense. Are you stoned?

>Not yet.