AGP deniers

...that's not how science works

>>8457043
Ok, then you tell me how it works.

>>8456743
your
>I cured AGP with non-fap
is even more of 'post-modernism' subjective nonsense and has nothing to do with uncle Blanchy

but good for you if you can repress and function normally

>>8457094
Your post-modernist fetish science is ruining young men.
>but good for you if you can repress and function normally
Repress what? I am a man and have always been one. Just because of paraphilic/fetishistic tendencies I'm supposed to call myself a woman and "embrace my true nature"?

This is bait. Just ignore this thread.

>inb4 you responded
I also saged.

>>8457225
It's not bait. I posted this pic for fun, I'm serious otherwise. Just because you're too dogmatic to consider it, doesn't mean it's bait.

>>8457153
m-me too

>>8456743
So you're a hon for life by now and you'll probably crack like all the hons in midlife

>>8457153
what the hell is wrong with you, buddy? Trying to spread the truth? Trying to help people out? No, your trying to get some reassurance you made the right decision. The very fact that you made this thread is proof that you have some doubt about your choices.

And lets just pretend for a second that you did make the right choice, that your desires are cured, and that your life is better for it. What are you doing with all your free time now? What does a cured man do with his time? Found a pretty girl, had some kids?

>>8457446
/lgbt/ or /tttt/ should be called "the cult of skittles".
I feel happy as a man. Nurturing your fetishes that skyrocketed with porn use is almost inhumane.
I'm in my early 20s and I'm starting to look like a manly beast. I like how I am and it makes me more confident.

>>8457466
>The very fact that you made this thread is proof that you have some doubt about your choices.
Nah, I'm at home and kinda bored since I no longer fap or play video games.
This thread is for my amusement.
>Found a pretty girl, had some kids?
Yeah, that's my plan.

>>8457489
so in other words, nothings changed. Have you ever been with a woman before?

>>8457517
>so in other words, nothings changed
I'm not the most perfect guy ever. Things have changed, but I haven't fully risen out of my former neckbeardness.
>Have you ever been with a woman before?
Yeah, I've only been with 2 women. The first one was when I was 20.

>>8457603
so, you enjoyed it then? Sex was good? No trouble, performing?

>>8457617
Yeah, it was pretty good. AGPs are heterosexual afterall.
AGP rarely kills the the desire to have sex with women. It lowers it significantly if you're lonely and spend time busting nuts to weird porn.

>>8457634
i think the truth is, you were never trans to begin with. I thought the trans stuff was a meme too, so i picked up a girl. I've barely busted twice after fucking 30+ times usually taking more than thirty minutes. I've gotten a "blowjob" from 3 different people, and i go soft everytime, the moment they touch my dick.

Im pretty sure you were just memed into thinking you were trans.

>>8457634
>AGPs are heterosexual afterall.
Reminder that dating girls is degenerate and revolting if you're AGP.

>>8457649
>Im pretty sure you were just memed into thinking you were trans.
This is the problem. A lot of young AGP neets get memed into it.
People should only transition if they hated their male parts their whole lives.
>>8457652
I doubt you're an AGP yourself, your ideas about it are just not accurate

>>8457721
I'm a true AGP not a transbian wannagp.

>>8457721
Stop projecting your manly AGP ideas onto others.

>>8457738
All AGP has the same roots, but it's power is different. If you went to therapy since childhood, things would be much different.
>>8457752
Yeah, I'm sure you're a feminine little AGP princess, sorry about that.

>>8457766
>All AGP has the same roots, but it's power is different. If you went to therapy since childhood, things would be much different.
expatiate

This Blanchard stuff is cancer

Hopefully /lgbt/ will find a new meme soon

>>8457774
It's pretty sinple stuff. AGP is the same fetish/disorder and it can occur in different intensities.

>>8457766
Keep trying to tell yourself that. 'AGP' trannies are very different from perverted men like yourself.

>>8457784
>The truth is cancer to my feelings

>>8457792
>I'm perverted
>Trannies take hormones that ruin their bodies and chop off their genitals

>>8457788
How would therapy change it?

>>8457794
>truth
Let me guess, trannyism is illuminati conspiracy?

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>>8457809
It could help you accept your natural masculinity and prevent AGP from becoming stronger.
>>8457811
Um... no?

>>8457843
Why should I want to be masculine or have weak AGP?

>>8457803
Yeah? Don't see a problem there.
>>8457843
Just proves you're a disgusting male fetishist.

>>8457861
To save your body from being destroyed and mutilated.
>>8457876
You just called yourself disgusting. Don't be so hard on yourself.

First they tell me I'm a repressed hon and then that I'm a "disgusting" fetishist. These labels can not hinder the truth.

>>8457792
>'AGP' trannies are very different from perverted men
how can I tell what am I?

>>8457909
Don't belive these cultists. This is some whacky stuff here, we've gotten desensitized to crazy shit over the years.
Just look at this place from an outsider's perspective.

>>8457896
>To save your body from being destroyed and mutilated.
Not worth it. AGP is too good.

>>8457843
[citation that any fetish has been able to be viably managed long term with talk therapy]

Just ask the pedophiles and the furfags how well that's gone for them, lel!

mfw antipsychers always pick and choose the tenants of psychology they want to believe in and embarrass themselves in the process

>>8457922
Yeah yeah erryone's wrong you're right follow you if i want to be in le light.

Heard it all before buddy, you're a joke like the rest of the culture warriors of this generation. Enjoy never breeding despite functioning testes!

>>8457927
You're literally ruining your body and becoming biologically useless. Your body and brain are male and pumping yourself full of estrogen will only harm you.
You do all of this to fulfill your fetish.
>>8457933
>and embarrass themselves in the process
You think that it's a good idea for fetishists to cut off their genitals and ruin their body. This is laughable.

>>8457946
Nice no citation or counter argument. Thread hidden.

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>>8456743
I am AGP-MustardRace though

>>8457938
>Enjoy never breeding despite functioning testes!
Keep comforting yourself, hon. It's not easy being a broken human being.

>>8457946
>becoming biologically useless
Sophistry.

>your fetish.
NOT A FETISH!!!

>it's another /polgbt/ tries to convince the trannies to stop being tranny episode

>>8457951
Hide it all. This is your safe-space

>>8457956
>he thinks im tranner

Lol enjoy being omega and not even getting tits out of it bitch booooooooooi

>>8457957
>NOT A FETISH!!!
Ok, paraphilia.

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>>8457922
Too bad Im an 'insider' and I know that AGP is to some extent real, but different people assume different things and you could def be trans with AGP or just a fetishist

>>8457964
You like to make these assumptions because you and all of your friends are like that, if you have them that is.

>>8457969
I looked up the dsm mommy, i know ancient grek words!!!!! X-D

>>8457977
>no u

Best you got beta? Lmao permas always have sperg levels of innovativeness

>>8457976
>and you could def be trans with AGP or just a fetishist
It could happen, but AGP and "trans" are different things.
AGP is a paraphilia and "trans" is an illness where you want to chop off your genitals

>>8457987
Keep telling yourself wanting to be a girl every single night when you fap is normal and indicative of a healthy personality

inb4 you dont

You clearly do and it's obvious to all. Why not talk about it with us, anon? You can trust us. :)

>>8457983
>Best you got beta?
I'm not trying anything. I really think you're like that. It's either that or you are some sort of "trans" freak or something.

>>8457987
you are not even trying anymore

>>8457995
>wanting to be a girl every single night when you fap
fug

>>8457998
Omega blubbering, more no u

Lel this is sad i get better insults hitting up the short bus, all u can do is say tranz or parrot me LOL

Enjoy permavirgin status for life LOL

>>8457995
>Keep telling yourself wanting to be a girl every single night
Not really.
>Why not talk about it with us, anon? You can trust us. :)
I've talked about it a lot with all kinds of people. All you say here is:
Transition asap, you're so repressed, I know how it is. Order skittles now, hon chan.

>>8458008
so what did the other people tell toy, how are you dealing with it instead of accepting?

>>8458004
Good trolling is subtle. This just doesn't work.

>>8458008
inafter i don't, i-it's just a troll throd honest! Please get trolled! Please don't look at my insecurities too hard

You can always talk about it anon. Professionals are oft overrated in how much they can - especially if they don't understand the problem.

It's clear you're suffering, and I want to help you. Let us help you, anon.

>>8458023
omega pretends his BTFOing was a troll a along

Do you pretend life is trolling you when you get cucked like every day? L M A O

>>8458015
>so what did the other people tell toy
Nothing special, really. The only thing is that they all think that trabsitioning for this is a horrible idea.
>how are you dealing with it instead of accepting?
I do accept it, I just choose to not ibdulge in it. I am open about it with my friends and family. Even my ex gf knew about it.
I just don't fap and think about agp stuff. When I see a hot girl I gdt aroused and want to fuck her. AGP desires come up sometimes, but I just don't think about it.

>>8458042
>choose not to indulge in it

>goes to 4chan /lgbt/ "j-just here to laugh at you, honest!" to talk about how he has to bite down his sissy fetish all the time

LOL! The closet cases on this board!

>>8458024
>It's clear you're suffering, and I want to help you. Let us help you, anon.
What a joke. This is exactly what is wrong with this board.

>>8458053
>w-what a joke! Nobody ever wants to help me unless i pay them ;____;

Awe, it's okay anon. Need a hug? You can talk all about how much you hate being a sissy all along.

>>8458052
>to talk about how he has to bite down his sissy fetish all the time
>fetish
>The closet cases on this board!
>fetish

>>8458056
Will you also feed me skittles and tell me I'm a girl?

>>8458060
>so desperate to deliniate trans from being a sissy faggot he shits out a desperate reposte

This is how we know you're closet. Real men with a fetish shrug and laugh, not go "b-b-bluh im not a dirty tranny i just like to imagine myself as one! Please stop shining a light onto me!!!"

>>8458067
You're taking this way too seriously, are you ok?

>>8458077
>two sentences is 'taking it seriously'


Oooh, you're in grade school? You shud take skittles nao then. :^)

>>8458155
Trolling is always the best response, eh?

stop it, silly girls

>>8458179
Hey, at least it means you get to bump your shitpost thread with no content.

Isn't that your ideal of heaven, girl?

Most people who post about AGP on here don't seem to know anything about it. You should at least have read Lawrence's book before talking all this dumb shit.

>>8458188
>Hey, at least it means you get to bump your shitpost thread with no content.
A lot of threads bere don't have much content.
>Isn't that your ideal of heaven, girl?
Why?

>>8458212
>the ocean of piss is deep
>might as well drop my trousers and add to the piss pool

Errrytime anyone suggests other people's shitposting is responsible for their own in any way.

>>8458207
Considering MTFs make up majority of this board and it's a male-oriented website, many people here should fall under AGP umbrella.
So... why should anybody read a book that undoubtedly focuses on older transitioners, who people here have little in common with?

>>8458207
I've actually read Lawrence's book, but it was a couple of years ago.
He obviously fell for it and Blanchard is the top dude when it comes to AGP.

>>8458215
Wtf are you talking about?

>>8457987
there is no concrete proof other than symptoms that makes bipolar different from schizophrenia

i can make a diagnostic for different taste palates of onions, but it doesnt mean like or disliking onions are more or less valid opinions

your whole view of psychology is based in some kind of normative judgment that isn't a part of studying mentality and behavior. agp and trans are one problem, together; agp was a paraphilic interpretation of gender identity disorder, so saying they are "different" is denying that blanchard did not see a difference between GID and agp. he only had two interpretations: hsts and agp. he could never explain unique cases of agp or lack of agp in non-hsts transgenders

its a waste of time to advance agp as anything more than a facet of transgenderism. you are basically ignoring that agps do get SRS and chop their genitals off. that some agps are bisexual or have the inverted sexual responses of your assumptions, etc.

anyone who falls for blanchard's idiocy and cannot reinterpret it in a way that fits actual research done today is just someone trying to avoid their gay/agp/trans obsessions, trying to prove they are manly... not courageous enough to accept that they are not a dominant personality and want to be a woman

>>8458493
>he could never explain unique cases of agp or lack of agp in non-hsts transgenders
Post these unique cases?

>>8458493
So, basically, repressed gender identity somehow manifests itself as a sexual arousal?
People always say that there's no connection between gender and sexuality, how do you explain this.

Blanchard said that long-term AGP fantasies and sexual pleasure from it can create a strong cross-gender idenity. It's like a self-hypnosis.

What is your explaination? Gender repression magically converts itself into sexual desires?

The topic is done to death and boring. Whoever is going to transition is going to transition, whoever is going to repress is going to repress. There shouldn't be this culture of trying to coerce one way or the other.

>>8459556
>People always say that there's no connection between gender and sexuality, how do you explain this.

not him, but my guess is that - gender is one way you view yourself. So, it would only be natural for your self-perception to effect your sexuality in some way. I actually don't know a single person who's sexuality isn't influenced by there personal perception - be it from themselves believing they're too ugly, fat, tall, or anything else.

I know girls don't get off to looking at themselves, but everyone i ask loves fucking in-front of mirrors. They all said it's super hot.

But at the end of the day, you could say people like me are agp. And its not something you can just push away and hide. No amount of sex or drugs or partying is ever going to make me as happy as transitioning.

>>8459618
>I know girls don't get off to looking at themselves,

Do AGPs actually get off to looking at themselves? How would they get off on that when they don't look like real women?

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>>8456743
>reveal the truth

It is a theory at best
And a travesty at worst

>>8459618
>everyone i ask loves fucking in-front of mirrors. They all said it's super hot.
They've probably been watching a lot of porn. That's why they love that much of visual stimulus.
>No amount of sex or drugs or partying is ever going to make me as happy
How could these things make anyone happy? Seriously, this is such a bad thing to bring up.

>>8459618
girls love looking at themselves tho

AGP is permanent anon.

Transition while there's still time.

I'm AGP and 21yo and about to begin my transition.

>>8459728
this

you can repress AGP for as long as you like senpai but it'll always come back and it always comes back stronger

just don't transition after 24yo or you'll become a

H O N
O N H
N H O

>>8459735
>Starting to officially transition in a month
>turning 24 in december
>therapist say's ill definitely pass, saw a picture of her other clients - all terrible blue/pink haired troggies.
>still going to do it
#twinkhonlife

>>8459735
I won't repress or transition. I'll accept being male and do as much AGP as I can anyway.

>>8459765
good luck then. Didn't work for me. Every single time i think im ok with myself, it hits me back down.

>>8459873
I don't really feel dysphoric except posting here and when >tfw no bf

>>8456743
so basically you're saying AGP is fake.

>>8456743
FtM here

I do not exist according to blanchard. Ladies also do not have fetishes according to blanchard.

Stating that "observable phenomena X does not exist because it runs contrary to my pet theroy" is an absolute affront to science

I dont actually care about his opinions on trans people otherwise, i want my fucking scientists to follow the scientific method.

Because you can't just tells lies and pretend it's science. Only the most naive will believe you.

>>8460884
>i want my fucking scientists to follow the scientific method.
That's rich coming from someone who dismisses the typology out of hand.

>when you don't know what post-modernism is but decide to blame the evil scary things on it anyways
lel it's hilarious how the same people who are ignorant enough about science to believe this bullshit are ignorant enough about everything else too.

>>8460903
It's just like if they were to dismiss occultism. We don't have to take every little bit of mythology people come up with to justify their own failures seriously.

>>8456743
Didn't Blanchard say that people with AGP actually SHOULD transition though?

But how did you get rid of it? Or at least how do you deal with it? Self-inserting as a girl in my fantasies is a total mindfuck for me and is ruining my life.

>>8460918
I have no clue what occultism and mythology to justify failure you're talking about, but serious Blanchardians nowadays do believe in MtFs, as you'd know if you knew anything at all about the topic...

>>8460941
Most anything blanchardians believe can be called mythology.

>>8460919
iirc he said AGPs with severe dysphoria should transition and otherwise they should live as men. He thought it could be removed, presumably through therapy, only as a child/teen, not once it was locked in as a sexuality.

How is it ruining your life?

>>8460944
Yeah this is where you make yourself a hypocrite again after that bitching over the scientific method.

>>8460958
>How is it ruining your life?
Because I get depressed as fuck every time I fap and crossdressing makes me really sad even though I kind of still want to do it.
Like I basically just have sad faps. Also there's the whole relationship issues associated with it. Can't get with girls cause I love dildos and fucking my butt, and gay dudes want masc guys.

>>8460965
>equating what is essentially religion with the scientific method

>>8461034
Sorry, after claiming to be on the side of science and then saying nothing but ad hom attacks on the scientific viewpoint you're dogmatically opposed to and demonstrably know nothing about you don't get to call anyone else's views essentially religion.

>>8459765
>I'll accept being male and do as much AGP as I can anyway.
This might be a bad idea since it conditions you more to get aroused and orgasm to AGP activities and fantasies.
People here don't seem to understand what repression really means.
Repression is a complete denial of these feelings, runing away from them and secretly hating yourself for being this way.
You can fully accept that you're an AGP, but not indulge in agp activities.
You can love yourself for what you are and be open about it with your family and friends.
Accepting fully and choosing not to go with it is not the same as repression.
I think most AGPs can pull this off because they are still attracted to women and don't hate their bodies.
AGP is permanent, but it's strenght and intensity vary because of many different factors. AGP can overshadow your heterosexuality, but it doesn't have to.
Basically, I think that with proper actions and attitudes you can redyce AGP to a bearable level and live your life as a dude you are supposed to be.

>>8462078
>and don't hate their bodies.
Say what? Why do you think trans people transition?

>>8462078
>tfw AGP since age 6
>barely ever had other sexuality
>got dysphoria with puberty
>made it to 24 before breaking down and getting on hrt

>>8462081
Most AGPs have gender euphoria and not dysphoria. They just fantasize and masturbate to AGP stuff and eventually develop a strong cross-gender identity.
It's like becoming your own wife.
Other types of trans hate their male parts pretty much since childhood, AGPs don't hate anything, they just want their body to become their erotic object.

>>8462104
>Most AGPs have gender euphoria and not dysphoria.
>AGPs don't hate anything, they just want their body to become their erotic object.
Phew, guess I'm not AGP despite clearly having experienced it for many years.

>>8462114
AGPs sometimes start to hate their bodies later in life, when they develop a strong cross-sex identity.
I don't know what you are. Could be an AGP still.

>>8462104
>>8462139
I hated my dick when I was younger, now I'm more or less neutral on it. Sorry?

>>8462673
Can you tell us a bit more?

>>8462104
>gender euphoria and not dysphoria
its both really

>AGPs don't hate anything
not true, we hate getting masc, it might be not as acute or come later in life when more changes occur

>>8462716
>be young, pre-puberty, early-puberty
>cry because no vagina
>late-teens, early 20s
>whatever, at least it's a nice dick

>>8462983
I was thinking more like other things you experience and your brief story.
What are the ways in which your dysphoria manifests itself?

>>8462104
AGPs are usually gender dysphoric and gender dysphoria as a symptom does not correlate with blanchard typology. Whether or not you're trans with severe/clinical dysphoria is luck of the draw.

Quit LARPing.

>>8459556
>People always say that there's no connection between gender and sexuality

Those people are brainlets. Of fucking course there's a connection between gender and sexuality, sexuality and kink, kink and personality. You act like your brain shuts off the moment you experience arousal! I can assure you, this is not the case.

People who need clear delineations between regions of their own fucking mind in order to function right are usually hiding more problems than they want to let on, no matter how hard people force the manta that "your dick is detached from your soul nothing your dick likes ever has any impact on who you are looooooooool".

>Yet another shitposting thread
Blanchardposters are worse than Cara posters.

>>8463073
AGP's mind works thanks to his male body. AGP is a testosterone fueled monster.
Sexual desire to be a woman = a woman.
How do you make that leap?
These men are 100% male. How is it a good idea for them to consider themselves women and to medically alter theit bodies?
SRS just creates a bleeding wound that your body desperately tries to close.
Just because something is wrong with the mind, that doesn't mean we should destroy the body that allows it to be in the first place.
To ruin a healthy body just to appease a broken mind.
There are other ways around it. You may have these desires forever, but they can be way less intense and you can live a happy life.

>>8463245
Continue spamming the same posts you made in the beginning of the thread under the delusion anybody will change their minds now that you've tried again. You're making yourself up to be a nice lolcow though!

>>8463299
> You're making yourself up to be a nice lolcow though!
Logic and biology are so funny, right?
I'm sure you're a real woman, girl.

>>8463331
>Logic and biology are so funny, right?
It's funny how you ignore both because they contradict your feels if that's what you meant.

>>8463331
I am a man you deluded sissification fetish coot. Keep telling yourself everyone on this board wants to be your slave degenerate.

>>8463346
Pls be my slave, cutie. I will feed you skittles and buy you cute clothes.

>>8463245
AGP is perfect womanhood.

>>8463345
No, you dogmatic cultist. I am the voice of reason here. I just want to have a good discussion, but you people are not mature enough for it.

>>8463380
it's a weak trol on a slow shitty board

the only reason you have any bites at all is cuz trannies get hair trigger'd

~thread hidden~

>>8463368
Did you ever even have an argument? Or was this all just a demonstration of how sad your life is? It's not like I can't see the fact you're the only poster making these shitposts. It's really, really sad. Get help, my man! More help!

>>8463392
>It's not like I can't see the fact you're the only poster making these shitposts
I haven't posted here in like a month, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

>>8456743
But he advocated for transition as a treatment for both groups?

Sounds like you don't actually know what you're talking about and are just repeating meme bullshit you heard on 4chan, but then this is probably just bait.

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>>8463810
>someone posted an AGP thread
>must be a pedophile
Your autism levels are out of this world.

>>8456743
I don't hate him, it's just that his pseudoscientific theories about human sexuality are utterly worthless. Psychology is not hard science.

>>8463777
>reality
>mattering to the anti-Blanchard posters

>>8463872
>implying psychologists' bullshit has any bearing whatsoever on reality

>>8463876
If you'd read even one post back in the thread you'd have seen the topic was how you people literally and openly lie about what Blanchard directly said.

>>8463927
>you people
I'm posting as Anonymous. You have no idea what I've even said about your precious headshrink.

>>8463823
>oy vey they're catching on, quick deflect and shut it down!
I could never even approach the autism of that one pedophile that keeps ban evading and posting the same threads with the same pictures again and again because they're obsessed with trannies.

>>8464059
Aren't you that autistic guy who accuses literally everyone of being this one mysterious ban evading pedophile? Get a life dude. I've seen you accusing people of being him like five times and now I find you accusing yet another person. jfc.

>>8463936
Again, if you bothered to read you'd see exactly who you people I'm talking about are.

This willful ignorance is just another example of you lot's dishonesty and disregard for fact.

>>8463245
Blanchard supports AGPs transitioning so if you buy into his theory..

>>8463839
>Psychology is not hard science.
So, basically, every typology is pseudo-science. Pretty much, it's all vague.
People who fully dismiss Blanchard, but dogmatically hold onto their "scientific consensus" are delusional beyond return.
>>8464149
I'm pretty sure he supports non-transitioning AGPs who want to fight this "illness" and live normal lives.
He supports transitioning only because some people would rather die than keep on like this. He isn't such a douchebag to stop peoole from making their oen descisions.

>People who fully dismiss Blanchard, but dogmatically hold onto their "scientific consensus" are delusional beyond return.
It's as if the different papers use different methods . . . :thinking:

>>8464406
He doesn't believe the illness can be cured in adults and spoke before congress about how transitioning should be publicly funded. He doesn't believe in people making "their own decision". He's in favor of gatekeeping and *prescribing* transitioning as a solution to people who can't otherwise be helped.

>>8464430
>He's in favor of gatekeeping and *prescribing* transitioning as a solution to people who can't otherwise be helped.
Exactly. But many people can be helped.
I assume it's not too late for many young adults. Only extreme AGP that goes as far as being interpersonal should be "treated".
As far as I've seen and experienced, AGP can come in various intensities, strenghts and even types. There is a whole AGP spectrum and not everyone should transition. I think we should have very strong gatekeeping for AGP cases.
We can agree on that one, right?

Basically, I think we should experiment and try to find various solutions for those with medium AGP, or even for young adults with low-key strong AGP.
I just don't like when people with medium AGP get pushed into transition by this community.
If you're in the middle and not sure, then cis is always your best bet.

>>8464504
I think Blanchard's a hack. You can be trans, AGP, both or neither. I'm just well-versed in his positions because I've spent literally years arguing with Trent, back before he even had a trip.

Normal, cis AGPs just treat the whole thing as yet another fetish. In general if you're obsessing over your gender and you're AGP you're probably trans. I believe there's a minority of confused cis dudes though, who go too far for the same reason some latex fetishists make their fetish a lifestyle.

>>8464080
There's more than one person who can recognise the autist pedo.
You're probably thinking of the one that actually saved the image hashtags and posts pictures of all the previous times the spammer has made the exact same threads.
It's kinda funny-weird how the pedo spends SO much time obsessing about trannies and spamming the same threads again and again yet they can't even manage to use a different op pic every time, definitely seems like autism or some similar issue.

I mean you can look in the archives and find the same threads spammed again and again and the op/main poster deleted/banned but they keep ban evading.
Well, either you just didn't know the whole situation or you're just that same pedo autist trying to cover after being called out again.

>>8464406
Homosexual transsexuals and agp are equally legitimate in their identity and need to transition according to blanchard, the categories are just about the supposed causes that led to the transsexual condition.
Neither group is "real womyn" or "tru trans", that's entirely 4chan meme bullshit that you were stupid enough to buy without looking into at all.

>>8464430
Actually a lot of the thread isn't fully dismissing blanchard but pointing out that the "faketrans/trutrans" shitposters are idiots repeating 4chan memes that have absolutely no idea about the actual research by blanchard.

>>8464582
>There's more than one person who can recognise the autist pedo.
No, it's always you, with this exact same accusation.

>or you're just that same pedo
What a surprise, now I'm a suspect too!

You should kill yourself.

>>8464601
>Actually a lot of the thread isn't fully dismissing blanchard but pointing out that the "faketrans/trutrans" shitposters are idiots repeating 4chan memes that have absolutely no idea about the actual research by blanchard.
I support the mainstream view but yeah people who speak of AGP usually have no idea what the papers actually said.

>>8464605
>I'm toooootally not that one pedo who keeps spamming the exact same threads down to the op images again and again, everyone who mentions anything about the archives or me- I mean him, is just one evil tranny rapist, don't listen or look at the archives or they'll rape you!

>>8464504
>implying there is any metric on earth to measure a fetish
>muh spectrums

Keep dreaming LARPer.

>>8464626
I keep seeing you throwing this accusation at people over and over again. I recognize you by your syntax and your lack of intelligence.

I've never seen this mysterious pedo you're on the lookout for. I'm guessing he does not even exist. I'm not going to bother looking in the archives to check though, because I don't give a fuck even if he does exist. You're my problem now, not the ghost of shitposts past, you.

>>8464605
>it's always you, with this exact same accusation
That one anon you're talking about always uses the same format posts telling everyone not to respond to the thread and just report it for ban evasion and they post the op image hashtag information that proves the thread is repeat spam.
They're so recognisable you'd have to be retarded to not be able to tell them apart from others but I guess you are.

Interestingly enough the threads always get deleted not too long after that anon shows up and reports it but that couldn't possibly be for ban evasion, right :^)

>>8464581
>You can be trans, AGP, both or neither.
>In general if you're obsessing over your gender and you're AGP you're probably trans.
You're talking about it as if it is a concrete, separate, definable thing.
There is a spectrum of AGP and other "trans" tendencies and feelings.
Drawing a line and saying "ok, this is trans" is vague and silly.
"Trans" doesn't exist as such. It is merely a term for people who do choose to transition and for those who don't, but have extreme dysphoria and consider themselves trans.
There is middle ground in all of this. Trannies always want to push others into transition. At least on this board, I guess.

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>>8464660
>You're my problem now, not the ghost of shitposts past, you.

Ed-gy

Why is everyone on this board so fucking autistic like seriously lmao?

>>8464675
Provide clinical evidence for the AGP spectrum or leave thread. PROTIP: If you can't offer anything but speculation, leave thread.

>>8464641
If you are too dumb to understand what I was saying, you probably shouldn't be using online forums and image boards.
Even /b/ is too intelectual for you. Go play hide and seek or something.

>>8464675
>"Trans" doesn't exist as such
See, this is where you're wrong. Trans people have different brains from cis people.

>>8464685
Some experience it sometimes and soft, while others can't live with it.
Everything trans related is just observation and speculation. If you don't understand that, then I have bad news for you...

>>8464692
>Even /b/ is too intelectual (sp) for you

That's why I'm on here, dummy!

>>8464660
>I keep seeing you throwing this accusation at people over and over again
Like you accusing me of being that other anon.
Yeah they have a very specific posting style that's always the same and calls for reporting and ignoring instead of engaging in conversation like I'm doing. When we're both in the same thread he usually tells me to stop responding.

>I recognize you by your syntax and your lack of intelligence.
Now you're just adapting the shitty /pol/ "I can tell from the spacing you're from x so I can ignore all your facts I don't like".

I mean even if you assume there is no pedo there's still someone who keeps spamming literally the same threads even with the same op image hashtags again and again, anyone can image search the op pics in the archives and see it themselves.
That you're absolutely sure and dedicated to the idea that it's impossible that there could be a spammer on a board that /pol/ has spammed since it was created just reeks of ulterior motives.

>>8464696
I've read those studies, it all seems vague and questionable.
How different does your brain really have to be to make you trans? Where is the line?

>>8464703
>I have nothing

Okay, thread hidden

PS: If I wanted to believe in mindless speculation on a tibetan alpaca shearing forum I would believe that vitamins are toxic, all grains and dairy in the diet are evil, that I should shove pinworms up my ass to feel sexual pleasure and that all Africans and Jews on this planet should be exterminated.

I think I'll choose disregarding your lot instead. Enjoy "le red pill", cringe LARPer.

>>8464716
>literal physical differences observed in brains is too vague and questionable but armchair hypothesises about agp backed by literally no research is fine

>>8464722
>Okay, thread hidden
This is all you do. Remove other opinions from your safe space.
>If I wanted to believe in mindless speculation
Nice, everything is stupid, except your opinions. You don't want to consider anything.
You ask me to bring up some studies with rock-hard evidence when this doesn't exist in any form on this topic.
You know it doesn't exist and you just want to "roast" me or something.
Just to be clear, it doesn't exist even for your perspective.

>>8464728
Yeah, yeah, those studies can cherry pick and choose which data to publish. If it's not perfectly clear and makes a lot of sense, it's not enough evidence.
They just want to publish something cool and gain respect or whatever.
Sadly, these things are common nowadays.
And don't bring up crazy conspiracy theories and accuse me of beliving in them. I've had this way too many times, it's a cheap trick.

>>8464716
First response best response
>>8464728

We don't know exactly how things work but that the differences are there and that they're mostly in gender-related areas kinda has to make you think that those facts are related.

>How different does your brain really have to be to make you trans? Where is the line?
Now this.. this is a good question. I genuinely do believe that, given the nature of other intersex conditions, one can be trans to varying degrees. At low degrees of conflict between mind and body I speculate that you can do fine without transitioning (mostly because you're probably not even aware that you're not cis). I also speculate that there's a threshold that, when crossed, will typically result in dysphoria.

>>8464768
Why do you think people are faking results in one direction but not in the other?

>>8464769
>I also speculate that there's a threshold that, when crossed, will typically result in dysphoria.
It could be.

My whole point was that people who are in the middle shouldn't be pushed into it.
As an AGP myself, I don't experience dysphoria, only euphoria.
As far as I can tell, it grows from my sexuality. I never hated my body or felt uncomfortable as a man.
I only have erotic fantasies about being a woman. Sometimes they seem less erotic then usual, but the root is erotic.
When I'm out and about, masculinity is fine, but when I'm alone I often fantasize about having a feminine body, enjoying it and pleasing myself.
Blanchard or Lawrence (I forgot who) said that AGP transitioning is like becoming your own wife.
I know this might sound stupid to a lot of people, but this really hit home for me.

>>8464786
In what other?
Most of it all is just speculation, these are the only brain studies, therefore the only ones to be questioned.

>>8464752
>replying to someone who hid the thread with more butthurt

lol how salty are you, like someone stole your dragon dildo collection through a shitpost lmao

lolcows + LGBT shit is the funniest crap ever continue providing my afternoon entertainment freak

>>8464843
I replied for others to see.

>>8464836
Not brain studies (wonder why..) but there are lot of anti-trans psych papers.

>>8464728
>>8464769
>>8464696
>Trans people have different brains from cis people.
What is the difference EXACTLY.

That is, what is the exact difference where you can point at a brain and say "this brain is 100% guaranteed to be trans" or "there is no way this brain is trans, guaranteed."

Until you can do that or diagnose people based on brain scan or even just with a slight bit of accuracy predict whether someone is trans from their brain, >>8464675 is a fact.

>>8464894
>Not brain studies (wonder why..)
Maybe there were some, but they are not well known BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DISCOVER ANYTHING ECXITING.

>>8464824
>As an AGP myself, I don't experience dysphoria, only euphoria.
You seem to think that's somehow universal. Yet browsing this board I can safely say vast majority of posters with 'AGP' absolutely do experience dysphoria.
Since your thread is essentially based on this misunderstanding, it's rather pointless in the context of this board.

>>8464904
>Yet browsing this board I can safely say vast majority of posters with 'AGP' absolutely do experience dysphoria.
This is where you're wrong.
I used to talk to people about my experiences and most of them were trying to talk me into transitioning. Most of them assumed I have dysphoria.
This is why AGP is so tricky. AGP stories can really sound like "legit trans". I've had this happen to me.
I've even had people call me "true trans".

>>8464900
>What is the difference EXACTLY.
There are a ton of differences. You said you've read the stuff so you know this.

>Diagnose people based on brain scan
I'm gonna bet that this is possible given recent findings. The thing is that you'd need quite a few expensive machines, scans and scientists. It'll be years before this becomes mainstream and I bet it'll cost a lot. The BSTc studies were mostly post-mortems so checking some things in living people is also a problem.

>>8464927
M8 /agpg/ is full of people who experience dysphoria

>>8464929
>There are a ton of differences
Those studes merely found trends. No definite "Trans Brain Pattern" has ever been identified.

>>8464768
>Yeah, yeah, those studies can cherry pick and choose which data to publish.
Yeah but one side has at least SOME research and evidence on their side and neurological at that while the other side just has opinion and innuendo and rejecting everything that doesn't match their feels as a conspiracy.

You literally have NO research or evidence for your argument.
You're not even attacking anything specific about the research or methodology or data you're just rejecting the very idea that it could possibly be at all accurate because it doesn't agree with what you want.

>And don't bring up crazy conspiracy theories and accuse me of beliving in them
You are literally suggesting without evidence that any research that disagrees with you is invalid and must have had data left out and manipulated to produce false results.
Do you understand what the word conspiracy means? It's not just a buzzword insult. Conspiracies do actually occur in the real world but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence while you have none.

>>8464929
Looks like you haven't read the stuff >>8464935

As >>8464675 said:
>There is a spectrum of AGP and other "trans" tendencies and feelings.
>Drawing a line and saying "ok, this is trans" is vague and silly.
>"Trans" doesn't exist as such.

>>8464769
>I genuinely do believe that, given the nature of other intersex conditions, one can be trans to varying degrees
Gay people actually have similar but much less extensive neurological differences. In a way, gay people may actually be tranny-lite.

>>8464937
If you have a lot of areas that are like A in men and like B in women and trans people have intermediate A-B patterns how is that not definite? Fuck, one area (the previously mentioned BSTc) seems to depend solely on gender identity, not biological sex.

>>8464935
They just might be exaggerating to get more support and people to encourage their transition. I used to do that, it helped my fantasies.

>>8464947
>Yeah but one side has at least SOME research and evidence
Research is not the same as evidence.
You need to prove that you can accurately and consistently diagnose dysphoria with brain scans. Right now it means absolutely nothing.

>>8464824
>AGP transitioning is like becoming your own wife.
>this really hit home for me.
hot
moar

>>8464900
>That is, what is the exact difference where you can point at a brain and say "this brain is 100% guaranteed to be trans" or "there is no way this brain is trans, guaranteed."
Well the thing is that there IS a specific structure that is in a region that's non-plastic shortly after leaving the womb and thus could be a pretty good indicator that someone is, in fact, a tranny and not a victim of the sjw brainwashing to destroy white men.

The problem(inb4 very convenient for (((you)))) is that the structures are so small that modern scanning technology can't detect them without first dissecting the brain into thin sheets. So it's obviously not really a viable test to decide who would be allowed to transition.
There are other much more easily detectable differences but they're not definitive enough for the critics because of their clinging to the conspiracy theory that liberals/feminists/jews are transforming normal people into trannies.

>>8464953
I think the same. What's interesting is that both androphilic and gynephilic MTFs exhibit some signs of feminization that gay men don't, but gay men exhibit some signs of feminization that gynephilic MTFs don't. It's possible that being gay is a result of just some regions being feminized while the others virilize properly. Likewise, in gynephilic MTFs, the hypothetical orientation network isn't feminized while the rest is.

>>8464953
Not all trannies are akin to gay people neurologically.

>>8464927
>This is why AGP is so tricky.
Or it could be because people like you completely ignore the only actual research that has been done on the topic and just define it to mean whatever you want based on anecdote and opinion to fit your armchair hypothesis.

>>8464972
It certainly means something, if not everything.

>>8464992
>critics because of their clinging to the conspiracy theory that liberals/feminists/jews are transforming normal people into trannies
You act like this explanation is the only alternative to the neurobiological theory...

>>8464948
>"Trans" doesn't exist as such.
It does. People being both AGP and trans is not evidence to the contrary.

>>8464957
What would you pretend? How did it help?

>>8464980
I would rather get a real wife than become one myself.
>>8465005
They did research and they found SOMETHING?
Wow, I guess it's settled then.

>>8465011
>It does.
Refer to >>>8464675 >>8464900

>>8465013
I used to be alone in my room and craving for this type of attention and support.
I never lied really. It was just that certain choices of words convince people you're trans. Especially on this board.

>>8464972
>Research is not the same as evidence.
Yet you have neither.
You're just caiming, without evidence, that there's some massive yet vague conspiracy that's manipulating data and research so that you can disregard with any data that disagrees with you as "fake manipulated lies".

>You need to prove that you can accurately and consistently diagnose dysphoria with brain scans.
Why do I need to prove that?
Whether or not we have a perfect diagnosis process, allowing transition is still the most effective treatment availible and you have no alternative to offer just conspiracy theories and fear mongering.
I'm in no way compelled to meet your arbitrary goals just so you can move the posts.

>>8465024
I'd believe the physical evidence rather than some pie-in-the-sky psychobabble.

>>8464927
> Most of them assumed I have dysphoria.
I mean, it's not an outrageous assumption, you need dysphoria to be trans, and it's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender board.

>>8465029
Already read those posts. They don't answer a thing. The tech is there. The money to employ it isn't.

>>8465046
>They don't answer a thing.
No, they ask the questions you need to answer for >>8465011 to be anything more than what you wish was true.

>>8465033
>allowing transition is still the most effective treatment availible and you have no alternative to offer just conspiracy theories and fear mongering
It seems like you haven't read my posts.
I do support the choice to transition.
All I'm really saying that people in the middle shouldn't be pushed into transition.
>>8465037
Results are not always evidence, just like in this case.

>>8465010
No I'm describing what critics, especially in troll threads like this primarily argue.

They're the ones who always go on about trannies just being delusional and brainwashed into being trannies.
The neurological evidence hurt that argument by showing a consistent observable physical difference so they moved the goal posts. Now they heard the term brain plasticity someplace and think it means that everything about a brain can change if feminists just call you a fucking white male and tell you that you can be whatever gender you want. That's why the difference in the non-plastic region is significant because it directly contradicts their excuses that neurological evidence doesn't count because of brain plasticity.

Of course as you can get a hint of just from this thread it doesn't matter. They don't actually care about the evidence or science, they'll just make more excuses and move the goalposts.

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>>8465024
Something beats nothing.

>>8465032
Can you give an example of how you'd word something, and then how it wasn't really as dysphoric as you'd made it sound?

The idea of wanting that kind of attention/support is kind of cute.

>>8465072
>All I'm really saying that people in the middle shouldn't be pushed into transition.
And I'm saying that's a false premise.There's no massive movement to push people to transition except as the prescribed necessary treatment for dysphoria.

>>8465024
>I would rather get a real wife than become one myself.
why

>>8465069
That a thing hasn't been done yet doesn't mean all data doesn't point to it being possible. Such a brain scan is doable, but good luck getting the funding and professionals to conduct it for you outside of a research setting.

>>8464957
>the people who don't fit my armchair hypothesis must just be lying for attention

>>8465072
>Results are not always evidence, just like in this case.
Anon..

>>8465103
I'm not really sure. Most of the times I would just ask about hrt. I would also talk about agp. People used to just jump into conclusions, I guess.
>Can you give an example of how you'd word something
Not really, I can't remember properly and I don't want to cringe this hard :P
>>8465113
Is that really so hard to guess?

>>8465129
>>8465138
Every research has certain results, that doesn't mean the results are evidence.
We need these brain differences to be well documented and we need multiple people to be succesfully diagnosed using brain scans.

>>8468976
Anon, you're the one making threads about being AGP and how to repress, right?

>>8468976
Exactly this. Until this happens, you have zero argument.

Gonna be laughing when blanchard was proven right, and I chose not to transition, and they find a cure.

Sucks to suck, hons

>>8468988
>repress
Read this >>8462078 and get educated.

>>8468992
>Gonna be laughing when blanchard was proven right, and I chose not to transition, and they find a cure.
I really hope this post is a joke.

>>8469011
Because that worked out so well for other transsexuals..
Either way, are you that person or not?

>>8469046
>Because that worked out so well for other transsexuals..
They didn't do it this way, you can be sure of that.
Also,
>transsexuals
Kek
>>8469046
Probably not, I rarely make threads here. I made this kind of threads before, but that was some time ago, also, not consistently.

>>8462078
>AGP can overshadow your heterosexuality, but it doesn't have to.
i don't like my heterosexuality

>>8469046
It's not a joke. It's simply the truth.

>worked out so well for other transsexuals
Why not be the first?

>>8462078
>Basically, I think that with proper actions and attitudes you can reduce AGP to a bearable level and live your life as a dude you are supposed to be.
I just read about what Schopenhauer said, "You can control what you do, but you can't control what you want to do." What's wrong with wanting to be feminine and indulging in feminine things if that's what people want to do?

>>8471922
Nothing wrong with it, in all honesty.
However, when it causes extreme stress, and does not increase healthy outcomes, it's a terrible idea.

>>8471922
>What's wrong with wanting to be feminine and indulging in feminine things if that's what people want to do?
>>8471942
>However, when it causes extreme stress, and does not increase healthy outcomes, it's a terrible idea.

I have nothing against people's choice to do it. However, the reality is that male body evolved to work perfectly the way it was born, with all the male parts and testosterone.
Taking estrogen and having surgeries is just not good for the body. As a matter of fact, it's terrible.
This ruins the natural function of the body, lowers your practical capabilities and also, pretty much destroys all of your chances of survival in nature (I know you're rolling your eyes on this one, but it's worth mentioning, you never know).

A lot of AGPs have potential to be good men and I'm not talking about extreme cases here.
Real AGPs are naturally masculine and have always liked regular man stuff.

In conclusion, people can do whatever they want, but I don't think anyone should be influenced into thinking transition is a good idea. It should be implied that those that want to die because they are male should transition. It should be a "cure" for severe mental illness. Afterall, very powerful medication is used and even surgeries.

Masturbating to feminine fantasies every day is not a severe mental illness.
Probably not even an illness, a disorder at best.

>>8472046
>Ruins the natural function.
We do lots of things that aren't natural. Piercings, surgeries, breast augmentations, breast reductions, ect. So why is all that okay, but not transitioning?
>Lowers practical capabilities.
So, should women take testosterone? Because estrogen lowers their capabilities too.
>chances of survival in nature
I think the foremost thing necessary to survive in nature is, experience. Lets compare a woman in 100 bce to a man today, who has a better chance surviving in a wilderness situation?
>A lot of AGPs have potential to be good men
Well, humans have a near infinite potential to do anything. But, why shouldn't they do what they want, or what brings them happiness?
>Real AGPs are naturally masculine
A lot of women are naturally masculine too, but they still identify and women.
>I don't think anyone should be influenced into thinking transition is a good idea.
I don't think you need to worry. The message constantly sent out by society is that being different is bad.
> It should be implied that those that want to die because they are male should transition. It should be a "cure" for severe mental illness. Afterall, very powerful medication is used and even surgeries.
What if people want to transition before it gets so bad that they want to die?
>Masturbating to feminine fatasies every day is not a severe mental illness.
But, again, why do only the severe cases need to be treated? What about preventative care?
>Probably not even an illness, a disorder at best.
I think that being transgender is just one of the many expressions of human gender identity. There is nothing wrong with being born a boy and later wanting to be feminine.
imo, of course.

Also, as a brief last point, I count you had nine reasons why people with mild agp shouldn't transition. I don't know if you've heard the expression, "the lady doth protest too much" methinks. But umm... think about it 'winkyface'

>>8472214
That's when I decided to fully socially transition, actually. When I realized that I'd rather kill myself than spend one more day having to pretend I was a dude.

In before "YOU SHOULD JOIN THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF REPRESSION LIKE ME~"

>>8472214
>So why is all that okay, but not transitioning?
They are all pretty bad, but transitioning takes the cake.
>So, should women take testosterone? Because estrogen lowers their capabilities too.
Kek, what a joke. Women are perfect in their way and for their roles. They are perfect for reproduction and raising children. We need that for the survival of our species, duh. Also, women do excel at some other things too. Men are universally nore practical on average when it comes to doing various activities. Pumping a woman full of testlsterone would only raise her physical strenght, which we have enough in civilisation, while lowering her mental capabilities and stability. Women are best off staying women, unless they want to become bodybuilders or something.
>Lets compare a woman in 100 bce to a man today, who has a better chance surviving in a wilderness situation?
Obviously a woman from 100 bce. I'm not talking down on women here. To survive longer periods of time in nature, you need a tribe of sorts. Tribes just want useful people. Who would accept a mentally unstable tranny that is losing "her" shit because she's out of hormones? I'm talking about post-apocalyptic scenarios here. This will happen sooner or later, humanity will not be able to prosper like this forever.
>But, why shouldn't they do what they want, or what brings them happiness?
It might bring it to some, but most are best off not transitioning.
>The message constantly sent out by society is that being different is bad.
This was the case for a very long time, but we are moving in a very strange direction where being trans is celebrated.
>What if people want to transition before it gets so bad that they want to die?
Therapy and self-help are the key, the mind is everything.
>What about preventative care?
Only if they are extremely desperate. Otherwise this is a horrible idea.
>, "the lady doth protest too much" methink
I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>8472283
> "YOU SHOULD JOIN THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF REPRESSION LIKE ME~"
Here you go: >>8462078
Get educated about what repression really means.

>>8456743
OP, any tips for no fap?

this is my kriptonite, I had my mother shame me about masculinity and I fapped to vent masculinity when younger..now its such a habit

Advice?

>>8472314
Wait, how is it hating yourself if your "self" ends up changing?

>>8472046
>A lot of AGPs have potential to be good men
who cares

i give that up

>>8472330
You don't have to give it up, and choosing to do so is choosing to be a freak.

>>8472324
>I fapped to vent masculinity
I'm not sure what this means.

Anyway, I think that the most important thing in nofap os the attitude.
Your mind will play tricks on you and ask all kinds of questions. Think about that before, but once you start nofap it's over. Don't question it for a single moment.
Before relapses I used to think:
>is it really bad if I fap once a week?
>is it really bad to see something erotic on the internet?
>what exactly is a relapse?
>is this worth it?
>etc.
Just delete all of your porn and porn bookmarks. Decide that it's over. If you get any doubts, eliminate them asap or you will fail eventually.

>>8472334
im too failed

>>8472214
>>Lowers practical capabilities.
>So, should women take testosterone? Because estrogen lowers their capabilities too.

not everyone needs to be ultra capable, we should celebrate exceptional individuals but recognize that they are by definition not many. I dont think it really matters if someone who is a mother and has a part time retail job is maximizing their abilities.
astronauts at NASA or something might consider it
...if there really is a strong effect from test, which I dont know to be the case, im not familiar with the scientific literature, but i hear it repeated and sometimes where theres smoke theres fire... other times its retards on the internet slapping keyboards...

>>8472365
I mean my mom literally made me feel ASHAMED of being masculine, and I fapped because I felt like shit being attracted to women in public.

yeah, deleting porn is hard

harder is that I use RP/cyber a LOT, and leaving people with that would be kinda rough.

>>8472402
>I mean my mom literally made me feel ASHAMED of being masculine,
What did she do?

The "nofap cures AGP" thing would be hilarious if it wasn't sad. This is exactly the sort of thing gay guys tried in the past.

>>8471870
>I'll be the first person who cured cancer via force of will!

>>8472046
>It should be a "cure" for severe mental illness
Being intersex is hardly an illness. More like a deformity that needs corrective surgery.

>>8472416
If you're gay, and never fap or have sex with anyone, technically you did cure yourself.

[citation needed] with better proofs than the others to prove it's an "intersex condition".

>>8472310
Yeah? well if,
>pumping a woman full of testosterone would only raise her physical strengh, which we have enough in civilisation,
is true, then we don't need all men to be as strong as they can. Some can be more feminine.
> I'm not talking down on women here
Oh, I mistook what you meant.
>It might bring it to some, but most are best off not transitioning.
How do you know????
>This was the case for a very long time, but we are moving in a very strange direction where being trans is celebrated.
That is so not true. It might be more accepted, but it's certainly not celebrated! That's a bald faced lie!

>>, "the lady doth protest too much" methink
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Uh, yeah, I didn't have the right context for the quote for what I was trying to imply, just ignore it...

>>8472433
>is true, then we don't need all men to be as strong as they can. Some can be more feminine.
True, but hrt should be avoided at all costs.
>How do you know????
Oh, come on. An AGP is a normal guy all in all, except that he has this strange sexuality/paraphilia/fetish.
Transition would affect him very badly in the long run, unless his AGP is severe and crippling.
>It might be more accepted, but it's certainly not celebrated!
Ok, I expressed myself badly. What I meant is that it's celebrated by the media and it's a popular form of virtue-signaling, to tell people how progressive and tolerant you are.

>>8472402
>yeah, deleting porn is hard
If you masturbate too much, after stopping for 2-3 days you might enter the "flat line" (google it if you don't know what it is). It happened to me, my sexual urges dropped to 0 basically. It's easier to delete all porn then.
If not, just do it before. It's nkt nearly as hard as you'd think.
Just don't think about it and do it. No "what ifs" allowed.

>>8472427
>If you're gay, and never fap or have sex with anyone, technically you did cure yourself.
Fucking lol.

>[citation needed] with better proofs than the others to prove it's an "intersex condition".
First you must explain why the proofs provided so far aren't adequate, given how numerous and well-cited they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Genetics
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2006-atypical-gender-development.html
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html

>>8472453
Well avoiding hrt at all costs is just your opinion. Other people aren't so scared of being seen as feminine.
>Oh, come on. An AGP is a normal guy all in all, except that he has this strange sexuality/paraphilia/fetish.
"Autogynephilia" is like a horoscope: so vague and generalized that anyone can see themselves or others in it if they want to.
> it's celebrated by the media and it's a popular form of virtue-signaling, to tell people how progressive and tolerant you are.
You know what I found when I googled that?
This,
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/whats-really-behind-americas-transgender-mania/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

That's who you sound like. Congratulations...

>>8472477
For one, they are low quality. You cannot explain this away by "hurr all physc studies are low evidence" - Well you're claiming intersex condition, not just physc shit. So put up the evidence.

Secondly, the root cause of transgender feelings is not known. Until this is known, all your citations are totally unprovable, and could be related to other conditions.

>>8472477
I just speak the truth, if you are homosexual, and you no longer masturbate, or have sex with anyone, you essentially are not homosexual. You can't argue with that.

Unfortunately for trans people, there is no such method, which is why we need a cure.

Being gay doesn't give you dysphoria.

>>8472491
>For one, they are low quality.
They're not! You're mixing up several threads. These studies offer direct, physical evidence and so are high quality.

>So put up the evidence.
I did! Read the links.

>physc
what

>Secondly, the root cause of transgender feelings is not known. Until this is known, all your citations are totally unprovable, and could be related to other conditions.
Okay, so every transsexual person just *happens* to have a brain that is between that of a male and a female, pre-hormones, *by coincidence*?

I'd take you more seriously if you had shown, even once, that you've actually read anything in those studies. You don't actually want citations. You want me to say "I don't have any" so you can say "aha, I win!". I'm sorry that's not the case but I seriously suggest that you take your ADHD pills and sit down to actually read what the opposition is saying. Even if you end up unconvinced you'll at least be able to effectively argue against the opposition in future debates.

>>8472495
>I just speak the truth, if you are homosexual, and you no longer masturbate, or have sex with anyone, you essentially are not homosexual. You can't argue with that.
If you're a psychopath, and get urges to kill people but don't, you're still a psychopath. The underlying desires are still there. The nature is still there. You're just repressing it. You're no longer homosexual only if you no longer have any homosexual urges.

>>8472529
You're no longer homosexual only if you no longer have any homosexual urges.
[citation needed]
There's guys who get homosexual urges over porn that aren't homosexual.

Opinion discarded.

>>8472488
>Other people aren't so scared of being seen as feminine.
Neither am I, but what I am afraid of is ruining my body and brain.
>That's who you sound like. Congratulations...
What a nice meme.
I'm not familiar with this organisation.
As far as I see, you are saying that I act like people who you disagree with and therefore I'm just a big ol' dummy. How convenient.

>>8456743
I admit I'm AGP although I became an honest to god blank slate after I stopped heavily investing my time in gender related actions. (I avoided porn at all costs and went practical puritan for half a year.)

During the experience I was devoid of some emotions that left me with resentment towards our species and existence.

In the end I surmised it was best to progress our species even if it was non-existant perspectively for everything doable.

In short, were supposed to learn from our mistakes and try to limit the worry so we don't idle, in part. At the same time I started trying to look deeper besides wanting to be female for sex and found my feminine side while stumbling on my masculine side.

And I have to say personally, neither side seems greener. People are right when they say it's a mess or a cluster fuck of notions that lead people to be who they are due to how they were created.

Maybe I'm crazy or high though this is somewhat a resounding truth to some degree for me personally.

I still sometimes wish and get slack for not being female despite who I am now, I've learned to deal with it but for me it will be something to remember and ponder why.

(my brother, co-workers, family have all whined that between me and my brothers there should've been a girl instead for one of us. Not a single day or week, even passing months that makes me think I stole the spot of my sister that could have been or that I should've been that sister.

So you tell me, what AGP truly is?

I've conformed to being a unstable weight changing schlob at the moment who loves woman and sometimes men.

>>8472529
These papers are not conclusive. There is no objective evidence that says "This part of the brain being wrong causes transsexuality."

Until you have that citation, you only have indicators of male to female transpeople that are ALREADY TAKING HORMONES for the most part, meaning that the brain changes based on HRT have already taken effect.

>>8468992
weeeeew kid

Yeah any day now even though literally all the research supports the brain sex shit and absolutely nothing has contradicted it.
Seriously there has been ZERO evidence to contradict it or support any alternative theory, all people like you have is desperately clinging to the hope that as long as they haven't scanned every single tranny then maybe some new research could some day appear that would somehow disprove everything. It's like clinging to the hope that someday they'll disprove germ theory and bring back humorism.

>>8472539
That's the very definition of homosexuality - attraction to members of your own sex. If it is not exclusive then it is a form of bisexuality.

>>8472547
>These papers are not conclusive. There is no objective evidence that says "This part of the brain being wrong causes transsexuality."
They show that a group of people who feel like they're the other sex have brains that look like a mix between those of men and women before HRT. What harder physical evidence do you expect to find?

>Until you have that citation, you only have indicators of male to female transpeople that are ALREADY TAKING HORMONES for the most part, meaning that the brain changes based on HRT have already taken effect.
Now I know for a fact that you haven't read anything. This has been accounted for. The differences are present *pre-HRT*.

>>8472555
Also check'em

>>8472545
>So you tell me, what AGP truly is?
AGP is what Blanchard and most people think it is.
I see that you often dive into your emotions and let yourself feel. This is actually good.
However, to make good conclusions, we must step back and analyse it all.

Sexual attraction and desires can create emotions, obviously.
AGP is often described as "erotic target location error". This means that AGPs are basically heterosexuals with this error.
We can develop feelings from our AGP self-attraction. In the same way we would develop feelings for a woman we're dating, or fantasizing about, we develop feelings asociated with our own image as a woman.
Honestly, my non-sexual AGP fantasies and cravings made me feel exactly like falling for a girl that doesn't want me.

To put it differently:
AGP is a one sided love for the image of yourself as a woman.
It doesn't love you back, unless you modify your body enough.
Saying this triggers a lot of people. I don't want to hurt anyones feelings, I'm an AGP myself.
My personal experience has been very consistent with Blanchard's and Lawrence's findings.

>>8472586
>AGP is what Blanchard and most people think it is.
Most people don't think AGP is what Blanchard think it is..

>>8472547
>says "This part of the brain being wrong causes transsexuality."
How do you think neurology works, do you expect a little post-it scribbled with "tranny cause here"?
You think it's just some random coincidence that they've found similar physical neurological differences in every tranny and no cis people that they've tested for it?
>that are ALREADY TAKING HORMONES for the most part
>for the most part
So you're not actually denying the research with the pre-hrt subjects, you're just trying to ignore it by going back to the old "they just haven't tested ENOUGH people".
So just another amazing unexplainable coincidence that trannies have physical neurological difference in the sexually dimorphic brain patterns?

What WOULD be adequate evidence for you?

>>8472588
In that post I pretty much described why it is.
Transsexualism is largely based on feelings and this triggers people.
It would also be socially unacceptable to tell everyone you're an AGP and transition.
It just goes badly with the whole "I'm a woman, respect me" meme.
I fully understand why would AGP transitioners lie or be triggered by it.

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>>8472539
>There's guys who get homosexual urges over porn that aren't homosexual

>>8472611
The point is that you said that most people think AGP is what Blanchard said it was when that's not the case.

>>8472613
I know, right?
"I'm not gay if I want to fuck dudes I'm only gay if I actually fuck them tbqh"

>>8472552
Bad evidence is worse than zero evidence.

>>8472555
There is no evidence showing this is caused by a birth defect, or permanent in the brain.
[citation needed]

>>8472556
>checkem Now I know you're a troll.

>>8472586
This. It's not "just a fetish".

>>8472592
No, I expect hard science, with linked causes. It's not simply coincidence, it is "markers" in the brain, just like when someone has temporary, curable conditions there are markers in the brain. This is not evidence.

Evidence is objective proof of transsexuality being caused by a birth defect - this can only really be accurately discovered by finding the root cause of gender dysphoria in the brain, and then a cure being developed in order to fix said part of the brain, effectively fixing AGP.

>>8472613
It's actually very, very common for even normal people to get gay urges. Bicurious, anyone?

>>8472692
What is this AGP smoking? I really need to get some of that good shit.

>>8472692
>There is no evidence showing this is caused by a birth defect
But there is, right here.
>>8472477
Either read the evidence you're asking for or stop pretending that you care about science.

>Permanent in the brain
Why do men stay men after their brains are virilized in the womb and vice versa? This is well-established.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
Or the second link in that post.

>[citation needed]
Citation provided, repeatedly. Your pretense of caring about evidence is kind of pathetic at this point. You won't even look at it, as you have proved, repeatedly, by making claims that are addressed in the citations.

>>8472732
This is not objective. This is speculative. This evidence does not prove that transgenderism is a birth defect. It proves that these particular brain markers are associated with transgender people, not that they CAUSE said transgender feelings.

They don't stay men, see /r9k/ trannies, people becoming depressed and trapping themselves.

>>8472692
>It's not simply coincidence, it is "markers" in the brain, just like when someone has temporary, curable conditions there are markers in the brain. This is not evidence.
I don't understand. Do you believe in souls or something? The brain is what a person is. A person feels that they're female/male but their body is male/female. We scan their brains. The scans show their brains are both male and female. These differences exist before hormones. We know many of those differences are set during initial brain development (which is why men continue being men and women continue being women throughout life). How is this not evidence?

>Evidence is objective proof of transsexuality being caused by a birth defect
Some of the brain differences are set at birth, and those differences are found in transsexuals. What you're essentially arguing is that men with half-female brains can go through their lives without feeling anything is off.

>this can only really be accurately discovered by finding the root cause of gender dysphoria in the brain
A physical marker has been found in transsexuals. What more do you want? Scans of individual thoughts?

>and then a cure being developed in order to fix said part of the brain
You're assuming every condition has a cure.

>effectively fixing AGP
Hold there soldier. There's nothing here about AGP being neurological. We're talking about transsexuality. There are no AGP markers.

>>8472756
So, what, are you arguing that men born with half-female brains can just live as men, no problem, and that something else is causing dysphoria for them?

>They don't stay men, see /r9k/ trannies, people becoming depressed and trapping themselves.
You're assuming they're not innately trans.

>>8472760
That's exactly what I'm saying. The half-female brain itself is not proven to cause transgender issues. Please provide the citation needed of this. There are most likely many, many cis people with said brain issue, that have not been studied yet because of lack of sample sizes / studies. Not much is understood about the brain as a whole, anon.

>>8472760
Indeed I am, but when half a board suddenly traps themselves because they're depressed and want to become the girlfriend because they can't get a girlfriend, something is up.

>>8472759
No, I don't believe in souls. These scans do not objectively prove why people feel gender dysphoria. These brain scans could simply be natural variance in one's brain, or something not as "hard-set" as first thought.

Every condition does have a cure, whether it has been discovered yet or not. Otherwise it would not be a condition. Obviously, as we know, going by your logic, intersex conditions are, indeed a condition, and they are fixed by curing the problem, possibly along the lines of creating some form of pill that simply fixes the mental issue, along the lines of antipsychotics, but permanent, and for AGPs, Trans, and other assorted people.

Apologies about the last, I meant the "trans spectrum" of AGP, Transgender, HSTS, and so on in regards to labels.

Anyways, I'm heading to bed bitter hons.

Have fun with your hormones.

>>8472775
>That's exactly what I'm saying. The half-female brain itself is not proven to cause transgender issues. Please provide the citation needed of this. There are most likely many, many cis people with said brain issue, that have not been studied yet because of lack of sample sizes / studies. Not much is understood about the brain as a whole, anon.
I'm speechless.

>Indeed I am, but when half a board suddenly traps themselves because they're depressed and want to become the girlfriend because they can't get a girlfriend, something is up.
Orrrr people of that sort are drawn to /r9k/

>>8472780
You're only speechless after that?

all of you people have rat hands. i am going to be fucking sick

>>8472794
Glad to not be a HON - man4life, blanchard's got swag

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>>8472814
That's right, my nigga. We're woke.

>>8472775
>Indeed I am, but when half a board suddenly traps themselves because they're depressed and want to become the girlfriend because they can't get a girlfriend, something is up.
That's exactly what I wanted.
fetish + autistic neet = better become my own gf
Thankfully, a lot of these people don't transition, but some get so consumed by it and memed into it that they actually do it.
I used to browse /b/ a lot before I started my nofap. There are tons of trap threads there, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Once I made a thread there asking "are you a sissy or a daddy?"
Around 70% of guys answered "sissy".
(My estimation, obviously, could be even higher desu, I really doubt it was lower)

>>8472692
>It's actually very, very common for even normal people to get gay urges. Bicurious, anyone?
So bi.
If you want to fuck dudes as a dude you're either gay and in denial or bi.

>>8475063
>If you want to fuck dudes as a dude you're either gay and in denial or bi.
Or pseudo-bi.

>>8477611
>I'm not half gay! only a quarter gay, m-maybe a third
pls

>>8477683
So what if I like dick? That doesn't make me gay.

>>8456743
>AGP
>yet I don't masturbate
your broscience won't work on me blanchard-shill

>>8478062
I have a PhD in broscience, don't question my methods.

>>8478062
wait how is that possible?

>>8478062
You should do an hero.

>>8478089
what do you mean

>>8480428
how can you not masturbate if you're agp?

>>8480504
assuming the typology is a thing, I'm definitely not HSTS, so that leaves me in AGP

>>8480504
m8 Blanchard literally said everyone who is not exclusively "homosexual" is AGP, including aesexuals.

All I know is that i'm 6'4" and 25 years old, so whatever I am, i'm not going to fuck over my life in an attempt to become a girl that will inevitably only end in abject failure.

>>8480575
Actually, even exclusively homosexual people were considered agp if they didn't fit the typology that he wanted to suit his agenda.
Stuff like not being interested in sex work counted against being a true hsts.

>>8480575
Because they are.
>including aesexuals
That shit ain't real. Stop beliving the SJW NWO lies.

>>8482886
asexual AGPs are generally AGPs that are exclusively AGP, and asexual otherwise.


It's not just a fetish.

BLANCHARD HAS $WAG

>>8456743
You ever realize some people are just better off dead? Yeah that's you.

>>8482886
Oh no then Blanchard is part of the SJW NWO since he spread those lies and specifically listed aesexuals all is lost!

>>8457043
>Anything dealing with trannies in a nutshell

>>8483050
>The triggering has reached dangerous levels. Send backup.
>Elite anti-triggering force is on their way, sir.

>>8483044
>BLANCHARD HAS $WAG
This nigga understands it.

>>8483484
Exactly. All tranny "science" is just about feelings and narratives.

>>8486329
This. Nobody wants to accept the science, and the fact is the traditional narrative is completely and totally bullshit.

AGP is curable.

>>8486339
>AGP is curable.
I'm not sure is it fully curable, especially in adults, however, it can be reduced significantly, to the point it's ignorable.

>>8486339
>the science
???

>>8488359
Not the kind of science that you think.
Fuck your globalist marxist "science" of feelings and white genocide.

>>8489387
Fuck off /pol/.
Still waiting on that citation for evidence of long-term benefit of AGP/Trans/Dysphoria.

Also still waiting on evidence that AGP/Trans/Dysphoria is caused by birth defects.

Don't give up on the fight for a cure.
Let's hold on together.

>>8489453
>Don't give up on the fight for a cure.
Let's hold on together.
The cringe is strong in this one.

>>8489507
Cringe as much as you want.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

>>8489539
You are just saying motivating things to neets on a cringy anime forum.

If you did some useful real-life things, that would be different.

>>8489587
Real life is even more of a joke than this board.
Over half of the world is essentially a /pol/ shitposter in regards to Trans people, letalone AGP and other forms of dysphoria.

I want to get awareness in front of trans people, not your average joe. They don't give a shit.

>>8489600
Fine, keep trying and we'll see what happens. Good luck.

>>8489736
Go trap yourself, anon.