Why don't trans suicide rates ever stay down after initial

Because being trans sucks

That doesn't mean the treatment isn't the best option that exists

>>8455152
But it only fixes issues for like 2/10 years tops (the honeymoon period was one of those) and everything goes back to step 1 of misery.

>>8455158
Still the best treatment available besides a bullet in the head

Because they're treated like shit by their peers and society.

>>8455176
So are inner city blacks and they don't have suicide rates like trans people

>>8455158
That's not true at all.

Hormones makes things better forever
Passing makes things dramatically better forever

The suicide rate still remains high because even if those improve the quality of life highly for a lot of people they aren't enough

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>>8455149
>transitioned 12 years ago
>still haven't killed myself
Me is a terrible thing to waste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVW8_lvs_vs

>>8455185
>The suicide rate still remains high because even if those improve the quality of life highly for a lot of people they aren't enough
So they accomplish nothing?

Either something works or doesn't. You can't claim something is a massive success if it still fails incredibly often

>>8455199
That's not how the medical industry works. If you can't cure something, you focus on improving quality of life.

For a lot of trans people transition absolutely saves their life and makes life bearable. The suicide rate isn't 100%

>>8455194
Eventually it will catch up to you, infertility, realizations that no matter what you still are just cosplaying at heart, and the realization that gnostic ideas of identity never truly satify

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>>8455206
I'm not so pessimistic.

>>8455201
But it still has a drastic, nearly unchanged suicide rate regardless.

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>>8455213

>>8455183
Trans people can't join gangs that treat them like a family and make normies afraid of making fun of them

>>8455225
What is Tumblr and Campus Alliance groups?

>>8455215
>nearly unchanged suicide rate
Source? That's the exact opposite of common knowledge.

Either way, treatment for multiple types of cancer rarely work. Would you also argue for just giving up for them as well? And that's considering cancer treatments are considerably more stressful on the person and can ruin whatever's left of their lives, while transitioning can't really fuck things up worse than they already are.

>>8455233
Will they kill people for making fun of me like Treyshawn would for Tyrone?

>>8455217
Unlike a lot of the women who post here, I'm not afraid of growing old. I have a few greys already.
>y-you're a LARPer!
Everyone wears a mask.
>infertility!
Teachers have infinite children.

>>8455183
Trans people don't have trans parents or siblings or even extended family members, as a rule. They're alone for a long time. That does irreversible damage, even if they find community later.

>>8455233
Lel, you log off of tumblr and go outside, and some bigot can kill you. Doesn't matter if you have SJW internet friends.

The closest analog I can think of is a gayborhood, but even then people aren't safe. Your gay neighbors won't avenge your death.

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>>8455225
That's what gays did historically. The mafia tended to own quite a few gay clubs and was involved in gay prostitution.
Check out the movie Legend if you want to see a movie about gay gangsters.

>>8455256
>Not just hiring actual twin actors

>>8455274
But then you'd have to pay two people plus Tom Hardy is a known actor.

>>8455149
What if suicidal people are more likely to trans rather than the other way around?

>>8455149
>Why don't trans suicide rates ever stay down after initial treatments
One might conclude that it's not an effective treatment

>>8455185
>Hormones makes things better forever
>Passing makes things dramatically better forever
That's not what the data says. The data says those have no effect on suicide rates.

>In b4 muh personal experience

>>8455201
>The suicide rate isn't 100%
It's not 100% for people that don't transition either. It's exactly the same for both groups, implying that the "treatment" isn't effective.

>>8455391
Yes I'm sure you have accurate data on every single trans person. Just like how Tumblr and Campus Alliance groups are like gangs for trans people.

>>8455236
>Source? That's the exact opposite of common knowledge.
You both need sources. And suicide rates are not "common knowledge"

>>8455402
lel implying you can count all the people that kill themselves without telling anyone they were trans

>>8455405
Do you genuinely not know what a statistically significant sample population is?

>>8455405
>>8455410
Wtf? Do trannies not know statistics?

>>8455421
let me tell you if i killed myself tomorrow it's because i'm trans but no one knows so it can't be put into statistics retard

>>8455185
The truth is if trans people were real they wouldn't need hormones

>>8455149
Yikes! Another bait thread filled with bait posters.

>>8455474
I'm going to need to see a source on that.

>>8455149
I'm pretty sure there are studies showing that trans suicide atttempt (which is not the same as suicide rate, stop confusing them) decrease to normal people level after transition.

I don't have the links, can someone post them pls I'd like to have them for future reference

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>>8455149

Because trannies are mentally ill, as are faggots.

>Thinks you can be a "woman" with Y chromosomes in every cell of your body as well as lack of womb
>Think that, mutilated dick = female reproductive system

>>8455787
>tfw "straight" men from /pol/ come to post on /lgbt/

>>8455215
>nearly unchanged suicide
Wrong. High but much lower

>>8455808
It's mostly TERFs and cis dykes. Hence why faggots are targeted and not les, why MtFs are hated (note: Y CHROMOSOME) but not FtMs.

Feminists hate anything encroaching on their narrative that all femininity is just a freudian male cultural meme. This includes men fucking men, men pretending to be women, or men doing anything at all that isn't injecting cyanide into their veins.

>>8455738
>normal people level
Yeah, I can believe them decreasing considerably, but "normal people level"? What, did they suddenly become impervious to the fact that what they have is a hole that's eternally trying to close itself? Or is it the man shoulders which will never leave? What is making them so happy all of a sudden?

Surely they're happIER after transitioning, but there's no way in hell they're at "normal people level".

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[CITATION NEEDED]

This whole cock-up of a thread.

>>8455873
There's so little in the way of hard evidence when it comes to emotionality and suicide rates in a tiny subset of the population that speculation + big fat loads of confirmation bias is pretty much all you're going to get.

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>>8455856
>It's mostly TERFs and cis dykes. Hence why faggots are targeted and not les
no, even the most extremist groups don't consider lesbianism as bad as male homosexuality and transsexuality

pic related

>Holocaust
>implying

>>8455935
>giving a fuck what muslims think

Masculine groups give les a pass because they put pussy on a pedestal too.

Enjoy your decaying society.

>>8455391
Oh, please post your data, I'm suuuure it'll support what you're saying and not that you're misinterpreting it.

>>8455751
Didn't Mayo stop doing reassignment surgeries because the results of "lowered suicide rates" wasn't satisfactory?

>>8457495
I thought that was Johns Hopkins, not Mayo

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>>8455149
cause only small % ever pass?

how do I even deal with it if I know I wont ever pass???? I regret ever digging this deep, living in denial was better even if I wanst happy either

>>8457518
It was and they were hateful bigots because of it.

>>8457557
>how do I even deal with it if I know I wont ever pass???? I regret ever digging this deep, living in denial was better even if I wanst happy either
So why don't you detransition?

>>8458116
>>8457557
the implication is they never transitioned, but by learning more and acquiring the foresight of older trannies - she has realized that she will never be happy.

It starts simple, daydreaming here and there. But when you start dressing up, you'll start seeing you don't pass 100%. You'll see, maybe the ribcage is too big, or your shoulders are too wide, ect.

The more you accept yourself for who you are, as a female, the more ugly and disgusting your masculine features become.

>>8458152
So dysphoria never truly gets treated and transitions are bandaids?

>>8458175
duh. Just like anything in life, if it sounds to good to be true - it is. The only successful trans people are one of two things

1. 100% pass. And even with no more dysphoria, they will never be happy being born a male. They will always find themselves second class women, who are already viewed as second class humans.

2. Those who have mentally prepared themselves for failure in every aspect, and things turned out better than expected.

even so, without passing at-least a little - you'll probably kill yourself.

>>8458201
So why do lobbyists prevent alternative treatment theories that could, with proper research, crack the code and discover a way to get your mind to sync with your body instead of the other way around?

>>8458251
our entire society is based around giving people what they want. Acne and obesity wouldn't exist if people had been told to eat properly and exercise instead of pills and creams.

Regardless, i think transitioning is still the best solution. Its just that, technology hasn't yet gotten to the point to make sure everyone passes.

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Are there actually Trans people who live out full natural life spans without killing themselves?

I'm trans and I've always thought suicide a matter of >if<, but >when< I can't imagine living a full life up til my 70, 80, 90s

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>>8455149
HRT doesn't actually do anything. It's like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.

>>8458279
Before i decided to transition, I was very close to getting into drugs, using and selling. Transitioning is the only reason i still have any hope for the future.

>>8455233
Mostly hets pretending that their sexual quirks make them queer and therefore included in LGBT groups and spaces, while also still shitting on actually LGBT people because they're shitty ignorant hets with persecution complexes.

>>8458283
Orchi solved the bulk of my dysphoria, estrogen is whatever--a cherry on top. Social stuff I could live without if I had to, but it's really nice to be seen and treated as a woman, even if it's only most of the time. I'm just not hung up on it, maybe because I live in my head so much. The expectations people have on this board are kind of ridiculous.

>>8458279
The only high profile granny tranny I know is Wendy Carlos, and she seems to be doing fine. But, you know, she has a bunch of hobbies. I'm 32, myself. Suicide isn't even on the table. Too much to do.

>>8458279
Lynn Conway is 79

>>8458349
>>8458449
>only 2

>>8458349
>Orchi solved the bulk of my dysphoria
>destroying yourself helps

Doesn't raise any alarm bells?

>>8458482
Nope.

>>8455149
It's almost like the trauma that comes from a dysphoric childhood and the subsequent trauma of always having to second guess yourself and doubt yourself (even if you DO pass) kind of fucks with a person's brain.

I pass, have a boyfriend, live a pretty normal life, but I'm constantly second-guessing myself for not being enough of a "real" woman. I haven't been "Sir'd" in 3 years, but I still get nervous and anxious about being clocked all the fucking time. Every time I go shopping, I have to worry about whether or not the article of clothing will show my giant shoulders or my giant feet.

That sort of shit fucks with a person's brain.

>>8458482
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/testosterone-linked-to-shorter-male-lifespan/news-story/539c29145e7b98692c176e182ee4f777

>>8458488
It's literally destroying healthy tissue to "treat" something mental though.

>>8458504
>The hormone responsible for maleness and masculinity in men is bad for men

That just raises further alarm bells about the motives and whoever did that "study"

>>8458526
>That just raises further alarm bells about the motives and whoever did that "study"
Why would it? It's a fact women live longer. so it's not outrageous to think testosterone could not be that good for you.

>>8458553
Because sterilization is contrary to natural law and destroys the essence of self.

>>8458526
Sorry, but puberty made me disgusted with myself. I hated the effect testosterone had on my mind and body. The 15 extra years I gained is a nice consolation prize for giving up my fertility. Not like I ever wanted to be a father; I have motherly instincts, obviously, and I have outlets for that. Animals are slaves to their genes, but we can propagate via memes.

>>8458555
You know what's contrary to natural law? The current human lifestyle. Maybe you should go live in the wild.

>>8458564
That's not what natural law is, ass

>>8458492
What meds are you on post-op?

>>8458581
What power do you believe endows you with unseen rights? That's an old fashioned position for someone posting on /lgbt/.

>>8458556
>but puberty made me disgusted with myself
Just like everyone

>I hated the effect testosterone had on my mind and body
Bullshit you did. You needed more Testosterone if anything.
>The 15 extra years I gained is a nice consolation prize for giving up my fertility
There is no consolation prize for losing fertility, fertility is everything
>Not like I ever wanted to be a father; I have motherly instincts
Wrong. You do not have motherly instincts, because you do not have a uterus and never will. You still have fatherly instincts because you are a man. Fatherliness is wholly dependent on being male. You can "act" more like a stereotypical mother, but you are still explicitly showing fatherly instincts

>>8458581
Current human lifestyle destroys your mind much much more than sterilization destroys your body. And I think you can agree that mind matters more than balls.

>>8458611
Natural law is not naturalism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

>>8458608
I have utter confidence. Zero regrets. And unlike many people these days, no depression. You couldn't get under my skin if you tried. Don't dare tell me what I've felt, and what I am.

>>8458605
>That's an old fashioned position for someone posting on /lgbt/
>implying you can't be gay and traditionalist

>>8458640
I couldn't. But time will. Eventually this happy little fantasy you were living will come crashing down, your body will reject everything you have done and you will slowly begin to hate yourself even more than you used to.

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>>8458656
Don't quit your day job. You're a terrible oracle.

>>8458665
John Hopkins knew this. And you too soon will.

You have destroyed yourself in a vain attempt to save yourself

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>>8455152
>being trans sucks

The winner's solution would be to not be trans.

>>8458637
I don't see what that has to do with removing your balls, but even if it somehow did, the same applies to destroying your mind (which the modern technology like internet definitely does).

>>8458605
>i don't know what natural law is
>i still don't know what natural law is

>>8458687
It flies in the face of what is good for human nature: fertility and producing offspring. All willing sterilization is an affront to natural law

Because its not natural.
To force your self through means of surgery to become something you weren't born with creates and unimaginable amount of stress on the body and mind.

>>8458708
And someone might believe you, if not for the fact that farmers realized thousands of years ago that castrated males lead calmer, longer lives.

>>8458714
Animals live shorter lives and aren't capable of reason though.

>>8458714
Comparing farm animals to humans makes no sense what so ever.

>>8458449
There is no God.

>>8458701
Bringing another human into this world is cruelty.
And by your logic any way of life that doesn't lead to creating offspring is evil, that includes using contraception, abortion, homosexuality, abstinence and so on.

>>8458708
I guess we shouldn't fix any birth defects either.

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>>8458756
>Gnosticism
>Catharism

>>8458725
Also casturating cows is just that.
They aren't injected with estrogen or had surgery to be given a vagina.

>>8458725
Reading comprehension: castrated male mammals lead longer lives relative to intact members of their kind.
>>8458729
See above.

>>8458756
Fixing a deformation that totally hampers ones ability to live a healthy life is reasonable
Wanting a vagina because you want to is not.

>>8458774
Read:
>>8458772

>>8458714
should i transition just to live longer?

>>8458772
>>8458774
>>8458774
>t. gnostic

>>8458772
>>8458783
Why do you assume I have an interest in plastic surgery? I don't.

>>8455149
Because they're always so ugly I mean look at them. Plus drag queens are basically the same thing and they're somehow even worse than trannies.

>>8458791
I'm not. You're comparing transitioning to simply cutting balls off from a cow as if it were that simple.
Its not that simple.
Transitioning involves a level of plastic surgery and injections of hormones.
Castrating cows does not involve such measures.

>>8458784
No.

>>8455149
>believes in the holohoax
Ahahahahahahahahhaha

>>8458799
>Transitioning involves a level of plastic surgery and injections of hormones.
SRS, FFS, breast implants and the like were never even on my radar. I'm uninterested in the inauthentic. I actually lived for years without estrogen, and I mentioned earlier that I don't consider it essential. The cessation of testosterone produces most of the beneficial effects people like us are looking for. Posters here tell baseless horror stories of ill health, but you don't see people supplementing their neutered pets with HRT. Nothing about being a eunuch is life-threatening, as history shows.

>>8458822
You are a filthy fetishist and one day you will regret it

>>8458829
Except for the part where none of it was sexually motivated.

>>8458802
why not?

>>8458836
You keep telling yourself that, but regret will sink in soon enough.

>>8458829
Stop being butthurt. There is literally nothing wrong with turning yourself into a woman out of AGP.

>>8458857
You're really insistent upon the prospect of regret. Care to share anything?

>>8455149
because the only treatment for being trans is like putting a bucket under a leak

>>8455149
because its a very fragile belief that gets shattered everytime someone doesnt go along or when you remember biological differences nothing can change.
and that its irreversible which makes it very hard to admit you made a terrible mistake that cant be fixed.

thats why tranny acceptance is being pushed so hard.
most just cant handle life outside a safespace.

>>8458251
case we barely have idea how brain works and what parts make you trans, let alone how to change it without hurting, this is rather distant future
not to mention science got too political

>>8458874
My cousin tried it to fix his dysphoria. Offer himself 4 years later

>>8458987
Why didn't it work?

>>8458989
No clue. He seemed happy, killed himself, and the only explanation was in his suicide note that he felt butchered. Literally just that

>>8458855
cause you will die sooner if you transition
if you just cut you balls off thats another thing, but you wont like it either, testosterone is like high octane fuel - live fast, die young

>>8459040
What age did she transition? How long was she on HRT before SRS?

>>8459051
why cant i just get an orchi/take aas and maybe take e

>>8455856
>It's mostly TERFs and cis dykes
BULLshit, I totally believe that terfs contribute to it but /pol/ is blatant about shitposting here all day everyday even sometimes just straight up copying bait threads from there to here.
It's hilariously ironic how they always play the whole act of "we's good boys, /pol/ didndu nuffin, /pol/ never shitposts outside their board, I'm not /pol/ you're just a paranoid reddit tumblr sjw invader, we're only shitposting to fight off the cultural marxists by turning all boards into /pol/!"
From day one of /lgbt/ they've been raiding and were even stupid enough to think they could get the board deleted at first if they just autistically screeched and whined and spammed enough.

>>8459103
aas will nuke your liver, if you take e with it you wont pass for a man and have shitty social life
no family/kids lower life expectancy too

>>8459133
>aas will nuke your liver
then orchi
natures aa

>no family/kids lower life expectancy too
never getting that as a man anyway

>>8459116
pol is not one guy you know

>>8459146
what are you going to do after 40, suicide?

>>8459151
>what are you going to do after 40
live longer that cis people >>8458714

>>8455149
>>8455158
>trans suicide rates ever stay down after initial treatments
>suicide rates only ever being comperable to Holocaust survivors
>it only fixes issues for like 2/10 years tops
That's some very specific claims to make, do you have any source besides your feels?

>>8455391
>That's not what the data says. The data says those have no effect on suicide rates.
>the data
WHAT data?
Point to what data specifically you're talking about.

>inb4 muh feels but science is all just an sjw conspiracy anyway so any data that disagrees with me doesn't count

>>8459158
but what are you going to DO?
you will have no family or career or energy for anything with your lack of balls, you are guaranteed to be depressed and wanting out

>>8458553
>>The hormone responsible for maleness and masculinity in men is bad for men
>That just raises further alarm bells about the motives and whoever did that "study"
>Why would it? It's a fact women live longer.
Obviously, when they don't like facts it must mean it's biased fake science that was pushed as part of a massive conspiracy to feminise and destroy men, probably orchestrated by the jews.

>>8459183
live as an ascetic (read: eternal manchild)

or get a bf

>>8459151
>pol is not one guy you know
Oh, I totally didn't realise that!
Good thing that's irrelevant to my point :^)

>>8455149
I will literally never be able to get pregnant and carry a child. My vagina will always be fake if I get srs, my voice always trained, i will never be a girl no matter how well i pass. That makes me suicidal.

>>8459247
It's your fault for deluding yourself into thinking you could ever measure up to a real woman. Go back to being normal.

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>>8459068
He never got SRS. Just orchi and hormones starting at 22

>>8455149
>holocaust survivors

Stopped reading right about there.

>>8459545
>>>/pol/

>>8457914
>everyone who disagrees with me is a hateful bigot
>expert medical professionals making informed medical decisions is hate and bigotry

>>8463646
It opposed transition though. And spread LIES

>>8455149
>suicide
We all know they're killed by later transitioners who are bitter for not being given the oportunity to transition at [age of their transition -1]

>>8459545
So, you stopped reading at the end of the post? Isn't that a little obvious?

I wish I had a home

>>8463646
Transgenderism is losing ground. They can't win.

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>>8455176
>>it's other people's fault that I'm: not who I want to be/not accepted by normal society.

Grow up.

>>8455149
They do though.
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8195278/#q8195366

>>8455335
mind blowing

>>8455225
god i wish i had my own tranny gang in my city

it'd be the coolest shit ever

>ywn raid a chamical factory with your commie transbian sisters for those high quality estradiol injections

>>8463689
This.