If I find trans girls attractive I'm a chaser yet they want

>>8451885

Wow, that girl's face reminds me of Jazz.

Anyway, it's because most of you chasers are just faggots. Between you all, most of you are repressed trannies yourselves and/or want to take dick and/or love things we hate about ourselves (dick, developed jaw, wide shoulders, etc.) and wouldn't date us without them essentially saying you only want us for the things in our lives that went wrong and that you wouldn't be interested if things had gone right. Then there are some of you who are actually straight, but they take trannies ONLY because they think they can't or actually can't get a cis girlfriend. After filtering them out, there's a very small percentage of you who are suitable partners. That's why trannies don't want chasers despite wanting boyfriends, most of you are vultures.

>>8451885
Is that really a tranny? I'd kill to look like her.

>>8451885
You are only a chaser if you lust after tranny cock and want to get fucked in the ass. If you obsess over transwomen like they are sex objects, rather than an actual person you'd marry and take to meet your family, you're a chaser.

>>8452351

What makes you think she's trans?

Look, they are men who wanna be women. And women are fuckin nuts. So they are just playing the part.

>>8452428
The context and like >>8452327 said she does have a bit of a Jazz look to her face, although less trans/more attractive.

>>8452457

The facial similarity is probably because they're both Jews rather than both trans.

>>8452469
I actually thought that but decided there was no way yo tell if OP's girl is Jewish. But now I see the necklace.

I guess this means Jazz may yet look hot?

>tfw not a cute Jewish girl

I'm MtF and I think the concept of chasers is a meme.

There are some men who just want to fuck MtFs as a fetish and have nothing else to do with them. These could legitimately be called chasers. There's nothing wrong with them either because some MtFs want the same thing and casual fucking between these two kinds of people would be mutually beneficial.

Any person that legitimately wants to date a trans person and include them in their life, friend circle, family etc. is never a chaser. They just have a preference in their partner like everyone else on the planet. There's nothing wrong with having an ideal in mind when looking for a relationship and you should never have to justify it.

>>8451885
Because men, gay or straight, see penees everyday and are jaded to them plus they're ok with banging a girl in the booty. Straight guys are constantly being pranked by their friends into seeing their dicks so often it loses shock value and only give out a slight chuckle after a few years. Lesbians like to act like they're allergic to even seeing a drawing of a penis and avoid being near one like their life depends on it. Even if a mtf gets bottom surgery the lesbian knows that vagina is made out of a penis and she gets too grossed out to go near it.

>>8451885
only date Asian and Latin american trans girls who are not Americanized they seem to be more open to guys who like trans women

>>8452490
agreed

>>8452486

>But now I see the necklace.

How could you not? It's just above what you were probably looking at. :P

>>8452493
What country is the best for latina trans?

>>8451885
>make sense
>trans
there is your answer.

>>8453456
depends on what you like phenotypically and personality wise
Personally I like Peruvians, Colombians, Brazilians, and Argentinians

Brazil is best if you like Black/Mullata girls

Argentina for "whites" or Castiza

Peruvians for Natives who are actually sexy and not ugly midgets like the cis women from Peru. Seriously regular girls in Peru are 6 at best the trannies are top tier

Colombia for Mestizas

Biggest downside is it's harder to find ones who are not sex workers in Latin america

Mexico is ok but kind of too close to the us same issue with Caribbean tgirls thus they get more influenced by the ideology of the westernized memes

>>8451885
If you're looking for a transgirl to fuck you in the ass with their big dick and so you can suck their cock, then you are a clueless chaser.

Guess what, she doesn't like having a penis, and she's not going to like you being obsessed with hers and drawing attention to it. Also if she's on hrt, she's not going to have a big hard shlong for you to gag out on.

>>8454384
>le let me tell you how you think and want meme
this tired shit again
also there are trans women who like to use their original genitalia people are individuals after all mate

I wish I had titties like that. Looks nice.

>>8452360
I'd take a tranny to meet my family and I ddon't want to take cock.

>>8455106

I wish I had nice, large breasts like that too.

>>8453470
>make sense
>women
there is your real answer

>>8452493
do you have experience with asian and latin trannies besides watching porn?

>>8456103
I'll probably go for implants if I don't end up with big ones after 2 years on hormones. 8 months in and I'm only a B cup.

>>8451885
Because like others said you're either closet trannys, losers who can't get better or creeps like this >>8454366 who treat us like Pokemon cards to be collected and traded amongst themselves.

All are horrible choices, so the best thing to do is just pass and find someone who'll be enamoured or in love enough to bypass transness and stay.

But that's largely a myth most dudes know and play dumb.

Anyways I'm basically Jaye Davidson androgynous now and trying to find a gay guy into femmes. Basically an early Andre Pejic interested kind of guy.

>>8451885
No youre a chaser if you run around in tranny forums, meetups, etc for the purpose of meeting trannies. Understand even though you feel like youre just a guy who likes dickgirls, to us in a group youre that one guy everyone is getting eyed up by. So youre a chaser. Nothin wrong with just liking/fucking trannies tho!

>>8454384
I don't like teans girls for the penis.

>>8456289
Trans i meant

if your attracted to tranz and u dont know what is tranz becoz ur innocenct virgin, then its legit match made in heaven.

once ur woke ur just chaser scum. convert or die.

>>8451885
There is nothing wrong with having a fetish. That's what they are anyway. Don't normalize mental illness please.

>>8456785
Are they a fetish or a mental illness? Make up your mind.

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>>8451885
wait a second

>>8452360
>You are only a chaser if you lust after tranny cock and want to get fucked in the ass.

but if I didn't I'd just want women

>>8456843
No, you could just be a guy with taste who wants a companion, not just a cumdump.

>>8456784
This doesn't make sense.

>>8451885
>you want a person that will respect you in stead of a person that fetishizes and objectifies you???

The problem with chasers isn't the attraction, dumbass

>>8457112
I'm not going to objectify you.

It's like if you wanted to date a crippled girl, so you sought one out and said "I only want to be with you cuz you're missing a leg and not for any other reason". It's off-putting, and kindof insulting.

>>8457202
I can see similiarities but I'm unsure if it's really the same thing.

>>8457202
The thing is I like the idea of helping an mtf feel secure.

>>8452490

>tfw brought my MtF girlfriend to my family multiple times for their approval
>they were all supportive and happy that we had each other in our lives, and wish us happiness

>we broke up, she moved out and now has a new boyfriend in only a couple of weeks.
>family crushed that it happened
>was depressed to see her go, but doing better now

I seriously wanted her in my life but all she thinks about is where she can be free and not stuck with the same partner.

Should've known better. And fuck you for making me feel again.

>>8456135
Yes unlike you all I travel and am friends with people from colombia and Brazil.
And there's also this video for Asians

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUiSvrLdyc

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>>8456191
>creeps like this >>8454366 (You) who treat us like Pokemon cards to be collected and traded amongst themselves.

What? What implies trading you are a dolt, i'm talking about those girls being better girlfriends in the first place?
How is saying that girls or people in general trend to be a certain way based on culture creepy? Culture heavily effects the dating game, and trans people are no different.

Then just describing what the primary ethnic make up of the girls. There is no difference to regular girls except in Peru with attractiveness as I said.

You might not be used to how men talk about women though so i'll give you a pass on that.

>>8457202
>and not for any other reason
Putting words into my mouth-san
Just becuase someone likes a handicap girl or trans girl doesn't mean we are incapable of distinguishing them from others with the same condition nor does it mean we don't care about their personality and other traits
the trans part is only a physical attraction for me the rest is the same standards I have for cis girls.

I'm shallow but personality is so important to me i wouldn't date the vast majority of trans women on this site they are no friend having introverts.

I like the extroverted girl that can compliment my own reluctance to adventure and go outside on a regular basis outside of work.

>>8452651
Well yes.

>>8457120

I know nothing about you buddy. All I am saying is why chasers get a bad rap.

>>8452490
>Any person that legitimately wants to date a trans person and include them in their life, friend circle, family etc. is never a chaser. They just have a preference in their partner like everyone else on the planet. There's nothing wrong with having an ideal in mind when looking for a relationship and you should never have to justify it.

Tfw no chaser like that interested in me ;~;

>>8457925
Want to talk about it, friend?

>>8458058
Nah I am not ready for a relationship anyway. Have to wait until my voice is better and until I get my srs.

>>8458069
Most chasers aren't interested in SRS girls. It really is about the dick for them.

>>8458137
>Most chasers aren't interested in SRS
And I am not interested in most chasers so thats ok

>>8456191
>But that's largely a myth most dudes know and play dumb.

The times when a guy touches my dick and freaks out with "what do you mean you have a dick?!?!?" and ends the encounter give me life. (Same with lesbians).

>>8459860
Hot, especially for lesbians.

Describe some such encounters and how you feel afterwards.

>>8457238

that's not loving them for who they are

don't use your partner as a mirror to see yourself in, larger than life

>>8457925
What cou try do you live in?

>>8456817
so it doesn't fit the conspiracy narrative? what does this mean

>>8456817

OH NO, SOMEBODY POKED A TRIGGER

Time to get excited about it!!!

>>8458137

Personally, I'd feel pretty creeped out if somebody sincerely and non-ironically expressed that they'd rather fuck my wound than my genitals... but instead, people who DON'T like fucking people's wounds are the stereotypically creepy ones. Trannos are ridiculous

>>8461390
Gee, thanks for telling me how to feel. If only I had realized it was me being creepy all along, and not the chasers.

>this comment right here is why nobody likes chasers

>>8458137
As a straight guy, I'd rather fuck a girl who has a dick than a girl with one of those weird mutilated things.

>>8461390
>>8462330
Lol fuck off

This is why we don't tell people we're trans before having them fuck our holes.

>>8462330
As a trans girl, I don't give a fuck what you prefer.

>>8461390
It's not a wound but I know you like this meme too much to stop calling it that.

>>8452327
That's a pretty terrible condition for me. I personally love transgender but because I find vaginas to be very gross. My ideal partner is a woman with a penis. Calling me a vulture seems pretty harsh though, I don't believe I've done anything to deserve that.

srs surgery is absolutely horrifying. there's no possible way that can feel like a vagina. you guys are going to be so fucked up.

>>8462403
Futafags will say anything to get shemale dick in their ass.

It's the only thing they want so all of their arguments are slaving toward that. Soooo easy to spot their intentions.

Why not just let me fuck you in the ass, GAMPs? I can put on a dress if it makes you think I'm tranny.

>>8462479
To us or to guys' dicks? Nobody actually knows what a cis vagina feels like except cis women, neo-vaginas could feel the same or different and we wouldn't know.

>>8462489
to you, just call it intuition. guys will fuck a lubed up hole in a plaster wall idc what they think.

>>8462497
>just call it intuition
>silly guys

Tranny detected

>>8462489
The bf of my friend says her neovag feels like a normal one to him so I don't see why guys should care

To me it doesn't really matter if it feels like a real vagina. I doubt it does but I don't care so whatever

>>8452360
So I'm a CIS female chaser because I lust after CIS females?

>>8452360
Well I want tranny cock but I don't want to get fucked by it. I want to fuck the tranny. Then cuddle her and nuzzle her and make her feel loved forever and be partners for life. So I guess I'm not a chaser. Sweet.

>>8462605
Would you still want to be partners for life if she got SRS?

>>8462664
Yes.

>>8462664
Very likely. I have a strong romantic and sexual attraction to trans women, I imagine it'd be no different than a woman with a vagina. Which is still disappointing to me, mind you.

>>8462751
What is the romantic and sexual attraction, if it doesn't depend on the penis?

>>8462712
congrats, you're not a chaser. Probably.
Stop using slurs either way :/

>>8462664
>Would you still want to be partners for life if she got SRS?

What the fuck kind of question is that? Wouldn't SRS just make everything even better in the eyes of the chaser?

>>8462712
>Yes.
A nice, unequivocal answer.
>>8462796
>Very likely.
A little wobbly.

What worries me is if a tgirl is in a relationship with a bf who pressures her into not getting SRS, or dumps her if she gets it, instead of being supportive at a time when she really needs all the love and support she can get. Not all of us get SRS, but many of us do, and being a girl with a dick is just a temporary phase. Having guys fixate on an unwanted body part is uncomfortable.

>>8462851
>Wouldn't SRS just make everything even better in the eyes of the chaser?
Apparently not. It seems to be a deal breaker for many of them.

>>8462796
Probably the fact that I feel more of a bond with them or some crap like that. The thing is, I'm not attracted to masculine features in the slightest but I'm also not attracted to vaginas. My preference obviously leaning toward women. The best way to put it for me, is that I'm attracted to feminine energy. I'm not submissive sexually or emotionally very much at all if any bit whatsoever, mind you.

>>8462868
Evil in the context of society and humanity, in my opinion, is to force your will on someone without their consent. I couldn't force someone to do something I know they will be unhappy with. Fuck that. I also believe that relationships are give and take so you have to weigh what is truly important to you and the other person. Being dysphoric, there's no way I could ask my partner to give up being truly comfortable with her body for a simple preference of mine. It's just not fair. In the context of having an emotional bond with someone, SRS makes no difference for companionship and sex as a result. For just a fling, however, someone I kind of know.. maybe. It can he. Unlikely, but it really depends on what I think of their character. It might seem wobbly but I feel I have a firm ground in my stance.

>>8462796
The idea that the person has given up masculinity to be a female.

>>8462929
What is the bond you feel for trans women but not cis women?

>>8462934
What's romantically appealing about that?

>>8463006
Im unsure why it just is.

>>8463006
The person is most likely insecure of their own masculinity; they feel the need to dominate another 'man'. See, toxic masculinity in its extremes.

>>8451885
Good luck getting a porn star tier mtf gf.

>>8463010
I find it hot from the side of the person becoming female.

>>8462944
That's a good question. I find myself being much more easily enamored by trans women, but I've yet to actually be in a relationship with one myself. My emotional experience is mostly with cis, though I've had a crush on several trans. Still have a crush on one and she knows I do but there's nothing I can do about it because distance. She too scared to start transition and I've been gently pushing her to start. Seen her full body on camera including face; kind of a fem guy, known as a guy to everyone she knows yet I'm still attracted. My belief is that it's a mix of spiritual and physical reasons (obviously the womanly form), to put it shortly but I don't really want to go in depth on the former due to the place we're in right now. Haven't seen a professional about it so I couldn't tell you for certain.

>>8463037
>but I don't really want to go in depth on the former due to the place we're in right now.
Why not? It's the spiritual side that's most interesting.

>>8452490
yup this.

>>8463024
TERFs manage to be more insane than fetishists every single time.

Compare and contrast

>freudian armchair theories

>>8463010
"idk I just like it lol"

Which one is more representative of a sane mind, you tell me?

>>8463024
I don't see how that's insecure or toxic. It's essentially the same as men being dominant in general and women being submissive, just a specific variant of dominance/submission.

>>8463081
Your other examples are also insecure and toxic.

>>8463053
>she uses feminist rhetoric, she must be a terf.
You're right at least about the radical part

>>8463165
>don't call me (derisive label) call me (special snowflake terminology that only vindicates my fee fees in the end)

TERF. Continue abusing the toxic meme toward everything you don't like in life instead of dealing with feelings like a mature adult, I'm sure it'll work out for you in that mid-life crisis of yours.

>>8463165
>Your other examples are also insecure and toxic.
How?!

>>8463173
as a trick, i dont reply to "who what when where why how" and "i". all jinns use those to waste our time. theyre not asking for education. theyre always terfs or abusive men.

toodles (=

oh and when they start name calling, remind them of their intellignce)

>>8463042
Do you know where we are right now?

I suppose being a man, as a child I went through a phase of wondering if I was supposed to be a girl myself(it was most intense then) and it persisted off and on throughout my teen years until I was 17 when I guess I "found" myself and embraced my masculinity but kept the feminine aspects of my personality. I'm a terribly stoic motherfucker and I'm often told it's a terrible thing (someone mentioned at some point emotional stoicism being some hypermasculine trait) but my interests go beyond the masculine side of the spectrum. I'm comfortable with who I am, or at least so I believe. Having someone on the other side of that; embracing their femininity first but having that masculine side I feel makes for a nice balanced energy. I know most trans want to be as least masculine as possible but it is terribly evident in their behavior and personality that it's part of them. The ones who are truly "feminine" (if that's what you want to call it, I don't think it's the right word personally), being so passive and accepting of all things.. being 'absorptive' so to speak, I am not attracted to these trans whatsoever. I know one who I liked for a while but as I spoke to her more, the more annoyed I became with her personality. Now I get annoyed with almost everything she says to me. The one I have a crush on now, I only want to be more part of her life and be that driving force that pushes her over the edge despite being a "guy" because she so badly wants to be a woman and despite suffering dysphoria at the sight of a hot chick and being afraid to transition around family I see her strength and even confidence in her conviction, with a similar mindset and logical train of thought I do. Has a few of the negative traits that tend to get tacked on to too much testosterone including zealotry and fucking hard-headedness, but not to nearly the degree of some of the stuck up bitches of /lgbt/.

>>8463179
Because of the place where those feelings and desires come from, and it is important to realize, and recognize that. I am not faulting you for your desires, I am being critical of the culture. Any relationship with such a power dynamic is obviously going to be abusive.


>>8463173
I am 'trans exclusionary', that's my only pickle. Otherwise call me whatever you want.

>>8463276
>Any relationship with such a power dynamic is obviously going to be abusive.
That's not a logical conclusion at all.

>call me whatever you want
You're kind of stupid. t b h.

>>8463276
Where do they come from? It needn't be insecure, toxic or abusive.

>>8463290
That's fine. Most people are too ego-driven to understand where I am coming from. They feel the pressure is all on them, when it isn't.

>>8463276
TERF. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't want to be called a tranny. I'll call your whore mom a tranny too!

>>8463250
That's pleasant. How strong is your feminine side and how do you show it? And same questions for what their masculine side would ideally be?

>>8463364
It is nigh impossible for them not to be culturally inspired, and we still live in a particularly vehement, hateful culture. Dig down deep enough in your own desires and you will find where they come from and why they are bad. I've a lot of toxic and abusive traits in me too, and i try to find the balance between living with yourself and making a positive change.

>>8463376

I don't find any of these words insulting.

>>8463401
>I don't care, I'm just going to keep on replying! I CAN READ UR MIND I KNOW UR DESIRES

TERF. Severely autistic too, this lack of ToM can only come from neurological disorders in infancy!

>>8463401
I'm submissive and I guess it does come from a lack of self-confidence and self-esteem and maybe self-hate too.

I want someone dominant in a positive way.

>>8463407

I can relate to those feelings, I am myself. Thats what I mean by trying to balance it, it's no good beating yourself up over it, but neither is it good to promote it. You should feel happy if you achieve what you're looking for.

>>8463404

What is ToM? And I don't mind talking to you either, even if you are foaming at the mouth.

>>8463437
>You should feel happy if you achieve what you're looking for.
But what I'm looking for is getting to indulge my submissiveness and letting it become how I life, instead of ever getting over the issues behind it.

>>8463027
Doesn't even have to pass yet alone be porn star tier.

>>8462598

No, because "chaser" carries the implication of mental illness or undesirability. A man who seeks out cis women is normal, so he cannot be a chaser.

>>8463437

Not that anon, but ToM is Theory of Mind.

>>8463487
>Trans people want everyone to accept their condition as an illness

>Ewww gross chassers have an illness


I guess trans women really mustt have female brains if this logic makes sense to them.

>>8463450
RAH! Stop being happy! You don't know what's good for yourself! It's TOXIC!!!! I SAID SO, SO IT MUST BE TRUE!

NOBODY HAS EVER HAD A HAPPY D/S RELATIONSHIP IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND IT'S JUST ABUSE!!!! RAH!!!!!

>>8463400
The most consistent way I show my femininity is through story. I very much adore folktale and child-like story. Romance story in song, stories of innocent fairies and happy-go-lucky kids, harp/flute/etc. instruments.. things of that nature. My role model is actually a FtM musical storyteller. I also enjoy color schemes and applying them to aesthetic things like decor and fashion. I like to give input on that sort of thing, like color/tone of makeup and how it looks with complexion or how different colors of clothes look with dyed hair. That stuff.

In the more recent time (but since stopped after like two years) is roleplaying a woman on a game called Space Station 13. Made some very good stories on that. Even got to be an adoptive mother. ;_;

As for my masculine side, I do that plenty with the normal guy stuff. I like being competitive and being more adept than others. I poke fun at friends and most everything in the world. I exercise, and T H E V I D Y A.

>>8463541
Oh I misread the masculine side of the question. Actually that's probably best how I'd like their masculine side to be as well. Knowing when to be distant and logical. Someone I can just kind of fuck around with as I fuck around with any friend I'm comfortable with, tell them whatever and have them analyze it like an asshole. And play the vidya together.

>>8463450
Are you looking to be dissuaded? I am only trying to impart knowledge, not tell you what to do.

>>8463539
Good and bad are fickle things. Don't try to make things too black and white, it erodes what they are really all about.

>>8463487
Thank you for clarifying.

Wtf is even going on in here?

>>8463580
>RAH! It's all shades of GREY just like my bdsm erotica! no one is le GOOD or EVIL looooool such a revelation ps i know better for you than you know yourself

Did you ever have a point? Or was it just more ivory tower nonsense from a pseud?

>>8451885
it's like dating a non-white person because of the fact that they're not white, as opposed to dating them because you genuinely like them

>>8463627
I am not trying to give you some sort of conclusion, nor am I trying to be judgemental. I care about the shape of the world, not how we end up dealing with it. I've been a part of power-dynamic relationship and it has been my best experience up to date. It's not as simple as claiming something is toxic and therefore bad.

>>8463637
Can I not genuinely like a non white person or trans girl?

>>8463652
Stop posting weird ranting tl;dr shit in my thread.

>>8452327
>it's because most of you chasers are just faggots

man trannies really are the most insufferable people ever. you are literally hating on the only people who like you instead of just getting revolted by the looks of you. no wonder even gay people hate you.

>>8463693
I always found it ironic that trans seemed to be the odd one out of a community that professed accepting other peoples choices. Seemed very hypocritical. But if I had to only deal with self righteous, complacent douchebags on their high horse I'd think twice about wanting them in my community too.

>>8463652
too scared to defend an opinion but too arrogant to admit defeat, it's a very delicate dance you weave around the issue.

Run off and tell yourself you were playing devil's advocate again.

>>8463662
This thread is not just for you. Either way, I like thinking out loud.

>>8463709
What the hell are you even talking about?

>>8463541
>>8463565
I see, that's cool. And what would you like their feminine side to be like? Much like yours?

What about romantically, in what way would you like them and yourself to be masculine/feminine?

>>8463539
It's not about being happy, it's about whether it's right to do it to myself.

>>8463580
>Are you looking to be dissuaded?
I'm looking for whatever knowledge helps me solve the contradiction of knowing I would be promoting something bad in myself and at the same time desiring that in a way nothing else can fill. Whether solving it means no longer wanting it or knowing how to do it without it being bed for me.

>>8463855

I think the biggest pitfall people might fall into is not being aware they are in one. You're very conscious of your desires, and if you keep your guards up, you will be able to allay most if not all of the negativity. As with all relationships, it will mostly come down to the person you are with, as well. I am sorry if that's not much of an answer but it's not easy.

As for not having these desires, a big part is cultivating your confidence, and being able to rely on yourself. If you can achieve that, even a 'toxic' relationship will do little to no harm. But then you probably won't want one to begin with.

>>8463801
I would love someone who was into my particular vein of spirituality but I feel that community is spread rather thin and I think pretty farfetched, let alone nabbing a tranny to call my special someone in the first place. The latter feels like a pipe dream.. the two together just feels delusional. That culture involves quite a bit of feminine stuff (and masculine but I have limited interest in that) including those fairytales I love so much. Though ironically, I love trans women just acting blatantly girly. Wanting to dress pretty, doing their nails, wanting to sound, walk, and talk like a stereotypical girl.

Romantically I always saw relationships as a mutual thing, you know? It makes you companions; a team. As far as dominance/submission goes, that's kind of not a thing for me unless I feel the other party just simply doesn't want to do that. Then I start to take charge. Ideally for me the power in the relationship sways from one to the other depending on circumstance. What's very unfortunate for me is that over the past year and a half, since I've had almost nobody to talk to until about 3 months ago, I've learned to be very needy. At the same time I feel very reserved about telling them about me and my problems. It's a god awful condition and I'm certain it pushes people away. However in my experience, I almost always end up being the exclusive masculine force. Which is unfortunate, I wish more of my partners were stronger. Don't be confused though; in bed, I'm a top. I'll sway for exploration and fun, but I don't crave it.

I just realized, why are you asking me these questions?

>>8463945
I'm asking because I'm coming to terms with the fact that I don't want to be a girl in every way and don't feel dysphoric about some of the ways I'm unfeminine. This is finding out different roles I could have with a partner where I'm partly the girl and partly not but without that being a problem for the relationship or a clash with my partner.

Some of what you said really fitted what I'd like, like being distant and logical some times while still being girly others.

>>8464010
What don't you feel dysphoric about yourself? And does that mean you're perfectly okay with being masculine in those aspects?

>>8464116
Broadly, the way I think. Things you mentioned like being emotionally cool and logical, being competitive, having very male interests. Relating to people in a male way, intellectually more than emotionally maybe, although I don't really know how to describe it. I don't mind dressing in male styles some of the time either, but that might be different and dressing girly some of the time is nice too. But not girly to the point of spending all day trying clothes or sitting at the dresser. I'd rather play vidya.

Sexually/romantically I'm a mix of masculine and feminine too and I'm mostly happy with that.

I'm perfectly ok being masculine in those aspects in as much as my un-feminineness is masculine. My interests are very male in that most people into them are male, but they're obscure interests for males, not cars and sports, for example.

>>8464192
>interests are very male
>obscure

I'm legitimately interested, do tell.

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>>8451885
would i make a nice trap lgbt? you gettin hard over this?

>>8464215
Nothing too unusual for 4chan, things like science and politics and autistic needs to know everything about whatever game or work of fiction I get into.

Not the average guy's interests but very much not female interests.

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>>8456784
>if you like ice cream and you don't know you like ice cream because you never had ice cream before, then its a legit match made in heaven
>once you know about dairy you are just lactose chaser scum
>convert or die

>>8464263
stereotypes much?

>>8464343
Just because it's a stereotype doesn't mean it isn't true.

>>8464343
Sometimes you have to look at the trends, say, "Well, shit," and move on.

>>8464263
You want to be masculine and feminine in a relationship and as a person but what about sexually? And what's the balance for masculinity/femininity for you? As you've probably guessed, I lean more toward masculine.

>>8464444
Sexually I want to be feminine. I want to be the pretty one and the submissive one. I don't really want to be masculine in any way sexually.

I don't think I can say which way I lean overall. It depends too much on what's involved. Like, I'd say I lean masculine in personality (or at least not feminine) and thinking, and feminine sexually (very) and in relationships.

But relationship is the tricky one where I want to be a mix the most. I think I want to relate to my partner intellectually in a male way and emotionally in a female way. And that sexual femininity comes into it too. And the male side of my personality as well. Like, I can imagine playing vidya against a bf and being competitive but also being kind of more casual about it than him, somewhere between a guy who wants to win and a girlfriend just watching her bf play or picking up a controller because it's co-op.

Working out just what mix of feminine and masculine I want to be in a relationship is my biggest reason to want to hear other people's perceptions of masculinity and femininity and roles in relationships.

trannies love tranny chasers. they pretend to hate them, because they are angry with life

>>8464373
yeah, because women hate science, amirite guise?
they like cooking and cleaning and sucking dick.

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>>8452327
>the blackest pot calling a silver kettle black

jej

>>8464740
Now you're getting it!

>>8451885 (OP)
Who is she? I'm in love

>>8452327
This

>>8463898
That is helpful actually. It would be hard for it to be too harmful because I'm aware of the harm. Although I could still miss a lot.

I don't know where to start becoming able to rely on myself.

>>8466004

It's about self-confidence and self-assurance.

It is a bit sad to think about, but even the people closest to you often just scratch the surface of who you really are. It takes time, energy and effort to really get to know someone, and only you've had had as much with yourself. It comes from self - knowledge, knowing your dreams, ambitions, strengths and weaknesses.
Being able to rely on yourself is nothing more than being aware of yourself. It gets easier after.

>>8466927
>It is a bit sad to think about, but even the people closest to you often just scratch the surface of who you really are.
I've been noticing this recently. It makes me feel kind of mentally alone.

I really do feel like I shouldn't trust myself. That I'm incapable. How can self-awareness change that?

>>8470746

You'll be able to answer where those feelings come from, and subsequently decide if they are worth keeping around, and they most likely aren't. It's hard to be abusive towards anything if you understand it fully, at least that's been my experience learning about practically anything, and anyone.

Furthermore, can you really *not* trust yourself? You already do, that is necessary to make any sort of choice. You're trusting yourself to speak about yourself. Even if you try to rely on someone else, it will still be you making the choice. It's hard to forfeit your own responsibility.

>>8457396
They are cock hungry sluts simple anon they claim they want love and to be respected but end up pulling this shit. They're more promiscuous than cis girls.

>>8462460
You find vaginas gross, niggah you gay

trans girl= boy with a mental disorder

>>8472917
Trans girl = me busting nuts

>>8457202
What if you wanted to date a crippled girl and said to her "I want to be with you, not because your missing a leg, but because you are single"

>>8472849
Rule of thumb, if they send you nudes before your nudes or if they have sent out nudes in the past to others. Avoid them at all costs.

Do axe wounds self heal?

>>8472873
I fucking wish I could just be completely gay. It'd grow my dating pool vastly and I'd be happy with it. Unfortunately I'm just not attracted to masculine features besides dick and balls.

>>8473024
Now I'd say that to anyone who wants to date a trans girl cause the ones that send nudes first are the ones I'm balls deep in that other guys like >>8457396 are crying over.

>>8473078
What do you mean?

>>8473070
Then find a qt femboys with pale skin niggah and go balls deep in that boipussy

>>8473158
That trans girls are promiscuous sluts and if they send you nudes before you fuck them DON'T date them.

>dating trans girls in the first place

>>8473070
Be careful what you wish for.

>>8473158
He means he has STDs.

>>8473197

:^)

>>8473172
Why didn't I think of that before?

>>8473267
They're so much more common and easier to find. Good luck hunting, go bust some nuts.

>>8473275
Really? I haven't particularly spotted them myself. I've met 1 (one) online but he's the biggest self righteous douchebag I've ever met so I very much disliked him. Other gays I've seen in real life are either masculine or at the most, twinky/drag queen tier.

>>8473299
They are normally annoying SJWs.

>>8473299
Of course they're self righteous douchebags they're fucking fags. You don't have to hear them talk just go balls deep man. I suppose its all about location.

>>8473317
But you're a fag too.

>>8473078
pretty much yeah, only if you want to date them.

same for cis girls desu, but thats kind of more accepted. since at the end of the day you can still make babies with them so they have sexual value.

a tranny though? what other purpose do they have apart from that. if theyre a slut, chances are they have std's or they'll cheat on you.

fuck em, with a condom, use them and dump them with the rest of the trash.

>>8456191
>tfw chaser
>tfw closet tranny but too masc
>tfw masc looking but too shy/autistic to have cis gf

>>8473317
The fuck is the point then, I want a longterm partner.

>>8473361
I always say no homo so that cancels it out

>>8473405
>pump em dump em

You said it man

>>8473459
Then sort your fucking faggy ass "ew vaginies are gross and icky' problem and start dating a cis girl instead of chasing a unicorn anon.

>>8473589
Look here, guy. I do date cis girls. I know I'm not gonna get my ideal because my ideal doesnt really exist, at least not willingly. Don't go putting words into my mouth.

>>8452490
Thanks, agreed.

I'm straight but more attracted to passing MtFs than I am to cis girls, but I don't think "fetish" is a benevolent or applicaple term. I'm just attracted to the idea of it, and would be happy to date one and introduce her to my family and friends.

I'd also be more than happy to pick one up at a club and fuck her, but again, this is obviously something mutually beneficial. I'm not preying on anyone.

>>8473810
>don't go putting words in my mouth

You said it here >>8462460 now own up to it you fag

>>8474114
I'm inclined to believe you don't realize what words you're putting in my mouth.

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>>8461379
>implying this isn't the first thing I noticed on this picture

>>8451885

Other than transbians hating chasers because their lesbians.


Most chasers tend to be ugly.

If most chasers looked like handsome guys then we wouldnt be complaningbut they dont.

>>8471650
>and they most likely aren't.
You don't know me anon...

>can you really *not* trust yourself? You already do, that is necessary to make any sort of choice.
I second guess myself and I make lots of mistakes, and the same mistakes again and again. So yes.

>Even if you try to rely on someone else, it will still be you making the choice. It's hard to forfeit your own responsibility.
Yes and this pains me. The trust I want to put in someone else is unrealistic, but placing it in myself is a mistake too.

>>8474923
If you're going to debate like a woman I'm going to treat you like one

>>8475277
>Make self look like a woman
>Annoyed that men find them attractive

Transbian logic

Or having a sexual attraction exclusively to trans girls is having a fetish, but if you're exclusively attracted to genetic women it's "a preference".

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>>8476832
that's not what fetish means

fet·ish
ˈfediSH
noun
1.
a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.
"Victorian men developed fetishes focusing on feet, shoes, and boots"
synonyms: fixation, obsession, compulsion, mania;
2.
an inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit.
synonyms: juju, talisman, charm, amulet;

>>8476718


Transbians are born men who become women but only like women so of course they would be annoyed if their lesbians.

>>8476951
Don't become a female if you hate the idea of straight men being attracted to you.

It doesn't make sense.

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No trans girl wants to admit it, but....


It's because they're so pigeonheld to this fairytail ideal of meeting a "normal" guy who doesn't know and having him stay anyway once he finds out

Yeah this happens all the time, but why limit yourself to just that kind of guy?

>>8476961
>your gender expression is about how straight men feel about you

>>8475286
I can only assume where you're coming from. I am not saying you're confident, I am only saying that in an abstract fashion, you're in control, you're making the choices, and it will never be another case, not truly. You can relent, but it will still be your continued choice to do so.

A mistake in what sense? Is this your lack of confidence speaking. You're talking as if you could choose not to make a choice, when you cannot. Responsibility is yours by birthright and you can't really get rid of that.

>>8452360
What if I want to suck tranny dick, but getting fucked in the ass does nothing for me? Asking for a friend haha.

Trans girls are delusional and think that men only deserve them if they are tricked into believing they are biological women first then being ok with them when they find out they aren't. They have much higher standards and are pickier than biological women


That's why I am gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_T8QSIUIeU

Man I just want to bust my nuts deep inside a qt 3.14 transgirl fuck her good make her a woman.

>>8476718
>transbians
>looking like (attractive) women

>>8479393

They are already girls, asshat

>his magic dick will make you a """real""" woman

Fuck off

>>8477048
>some stuff that isn't true
interesting interesting

>>8476997
>No trans girl wants to admit it, but....
..... but that's not true, we don't like chasers because fundamentally they'd make bad partners and every real life chaser turns out to be totally gross with a fetish that's in direct conflict with how we're trying to live our lives...

face it buddy there's no secret reason you're not getting tranny poon and feeling like you should be getting it because you're willing to stoop down to get it oh so graciously is just insulting

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>>8479427
Hahaha fuck fuck tight cis girls too and make them women as well, don't be a litte bitch cause no one wants to fuck you.

>>8479393
same
they all say they hate chasers, but they change their tune when they are getting dicked

>>8480160
Exactly and when you dick em good they get addicted to you. All guys just have to remember is not to get weird about them having a wang and for fucks sake don't ask them to bum you. Pay escorts for that shit.

>>8480404
>when you dick em good they get addicted to you
same as ciswomen
makes you think

>>8480420
Got a chip on your shoulder? Want to talk honey?

>>8480431
transgirls being tamed by dick the same as ciswomen is the ultimate proof that they are in fact women

>>8480451
No doubt never doubted that once now can we move on?

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>>8480451
gay guys get addicted to dick when you dick them good.
i guess that means they are women.

>>8480476
notice how there are less gay men these days now that trans shit is more accepted socially

>>8480548
>there are less gay men these days

you're delusional

>>8480616
nope, gay men have revealed themselves to be trannys that only didn't transition before because it was not possible for social or financial reasons

>>8480641
when?

>>8480451
and lesbians aren't real women.

>>8479457
I love absolutism.

That's how I know all black people steal bikes and all trans girls have a poo fetish.

>>8479427
Fuck off transbian.

Transbians are fucked in the head.

>>8477048
But they should actually be less picky because most people would avoid dating a trany like the plague.

>>8476951
Transbians are neets that and losers or autistic people that work with computers.

They are sexual frustrated betas who transition so they can live out their fantasies that they have seen in lesbian porn and hentai.

They are not real trans girls.

I have a question, if I love their cock and want to get fucked in the ass/suck them off, but also love them as a person and want to have a real relationship with them, am I a chaser then?

>>8481513
lesbians aren't real humans.

>>8481615
Because the previous poster is wrong.

>>8481527

I am straight, fuckface.

This is why chasers are disgusting and nobody wants you.

>>8481568
That depends on the trans girl you're with. If she doesn't want to, and you force her, you are.

>>8482363
>ugly tranny spotted

See why you're so passionate about this now anon

>>8482710

>the only reason she might not be into my disgusting ways is because she is ugly!

passionate lol

>>8482748 not >>8481568

let me dick you good I won't suck you off we can cuddle after it'll be beautiful

>>8482769


Maybe if you weren't a chaser

>>8482789
>chaser

Babe I'm just a strict top I'd fuck anything that was cute, small, feminine, petite I'm just not about the dick. I'm just all about getting off, I treat cis girls, trans and femboys all the same.

>>8482851
Sure then. Location?

>>8482860
This is when I hate myself, cause now it can't happen. I live in Ireland.

>>8482870
I am obviously fucking with you, two sentences aren't reason enough. For me at least.

But you have the right attitude, so maybe other people can learn from you.

>>8482889
Right attitude the fuck you on about?

>>8482910
oh how to want transgirls but not be a chaser

>>8479457
>>8481519
Only a sith deals in absolutes

>>8451885
She isn't a trans you lyer. More pics?

Does anyone have the polgbt discord link

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>>8451885
Same fucking boat OP. Passable trans girls are super rare so you basically have to go out of your way to find them. But then if you actually look for them you're a chaser who's just interested in sex. But if you proceed to date biological women in the meantime you're a lukewarm fetishist and a liar because if you were telling the truth you'd be dating a trans woman and not a cis girl. It's utterly fucking retarded and this sort of crap has driven me up the wall over the past year.

I'm smart, I'm good looking, I'm articulate, and I'm completely bored out of my mind with tinder dates and tedious, boring, repetitive conversations with biological women. I want a trans girl, specifically one with a background either on here or in gaming because I want someone I can actually fucking relate to. BUT IF I LOOK FOR THAT I'M A CHASER APPARENTLY!

>tfw I'm probably destined for a loop of frustration and confusion stemming from this until I eventually just give up and start popping pills to kill my sex drive entirely

>>8487986
How do you think this feels for transgirls?

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>>8488118
I don't know, why don't you tell me anon? Because clearly I'm missing something here. As I said, it's getting to the point where I'm considering just giving up on dating anyone period. It's just incredibly frustrating and confusing.

>>8488138

I just wanted to see if you're capable of emphasizing and seeing the perspective from the other side. I don't want to diminish your pain, I know perfectly well how frustrating it can be to be misunderstood and misbelieved, but I do think this is very unsympathetic compared to the shit I have to go through on the other side.

>>8488212
I'm sure it's frustrating for you as well. Why don't you tell me some of your less than desirable experiences so I can get a better understanding of the other side? Because from what I've experienced it feels pretty contradictory and self defeating.

>>8488253

People don't respect me. People spread lies about me. I am mentally ill, I am a freak, I am a pervert, a degenerate, a failed male. I am submissive, I live to serve, I am not a person, I am just a fuckhole, I am not a real woman but the 'next best thing'.

People treat me as if settling for me is them doing me a favour. People speak to me as if their magic dick can 'cure' me. People don't treat me with common courtesy and kindness they would extend to other people. Me being trans does not mean you can ask about my genitalia. It does not mean you can judge me or condemn me to hell. It doesnt mean you can lecture me. I don't need to be saved.

All I need to do is flip a coin to figure out if I will be raped in my lifetime or not. Even people that love me speak out against me and my interests. The right hates me yet still wants to fuck me. The left remains ever ignorant and patient and oblivious and always asks me to wait.

How many times have I been wonderful, or one of a kind, or have things been perfect only to break upon people learning I am trans. How many times has a person not heard a single thing I've said only because it was said by an object? It hurts.

Being trans is an ever-present, inseparable part of me, with all its implications, and yet it's still about the least important thing about me, right there with my bubble gum preferences. All's I am asking is for you to acknowledge that.

>>8488404
I understand, and I know it's a trying experience. The political climate certainly doesn't help things but there's little we can do to directly impact it.

That being said, the handful of trans friends that I do have, have told me about how utterly toxic and treacherous the trans "community" can be. Which is why most of them go out of their way to avoid it entirely. In fact, I'm sure they'd chastise me for even posting on /lgbt/ in the first place.

I understand your grievances and it adds to my frustration actually. Because it feels like I have this information and nothing to do with it. Decent trans girls get their already fragile egos shattered by guys they get involved with who either don't accept the situation, or are purely in it to fulfill their fetish. But it's bound to happen when so many insist on not making their life choices known in advance. I wish more would be open to being with someone who knew about their unique dilemmas in advance and was already comfortable with them.

It's just kind of depressing all around. I'm sure you have many fantastic qualities and it's unfortunate you've had such a string of unpleasant interactions with people.

>>8488447
It's not the trans community that is shit, it's the 4chan community that is.

And no, you don't understand. It's not an unfortunate string of interactions with people, this is reality. It doesn't shut off when you meet 'the right people'. The world perpetually sucks, and that's that.

If you're actually trying to take away something from this, take my last sentence. And stop making blame-y statements like 'trans girls should be more open about it'. I will openly tell everyone I am trans the day I stop worrying if this is the guy that beats me senseless because I 'made him homosexual'. I will always value my safety over your knowledge if you're going to get your dick wet or not.

>>8488540
Alright well I attempted to empathize but apparently it didn't quite meet expectations. Best of luck to you anon.

>>8488540
>its the 4chan community that is.

/lgbt/ is plebbit tier garbage the trans community is as shit as the lgbt community is.

>>8488552
you'll never please hormonal queens because IRL never be enough, just dick em dude dick em hard and good.

>>8488557
It'll*

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>>8488554
It really is, but I leave for 5-6 months and forget.

>>8488557
Depressing but you're probably right. Why does my sexual preference have to be for a tiny minority of mentally unstable people? Fuck man, this sucks.

>>8488404
>I am mentally ill, I am a freak, I am a pervert, a degenerate, a failed male. I am submissive, I live to serve, I am not a person, I am just a fuckhole, I am not a real woman but the 'next best thing'.
is this a line from a doujin?

>>8488570
>It really is, but I leave for 5-6 months and forget.

Man you got to get out, though in all fairness I don't know why I'm here. I mostly lurk.

>Depressing but you're probably right. Why does my sexual preference have to be for a tiny minority of mentally unstable people?

Haha you're talking to a guy that even has a smaller chance of finding a passable trans than you. I live in Ireland and finding a passable trans is like finding a unicorn. You'll be ok dude just remember I have it worse. I sometimes go to escorts to get my dick wet. If I do ever stumble across a passable trans though I will take care of her. Until that day I'm just going to keep fucking cis girls and maybe the odd femboy.

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>>8488598
We're kindred spirits anon. I guess I'll just keep grinding away on tinder then, although I'm getting seriously burnt out. In any case, best of luck to you inhabitant of the Emerald Isle. Feels good to know I'm not the only anon experiencing this crap.

If you're in need of some good Irish fap material, I'd recommend looking up Chloe Salpa.

>>8488617
Huh, that is not the image I selected to go with that post at all, what the fuck? Oh well whatever.

>>8488557
>>8488570

See what I mean about people not respecting us and calling us mentally ill. But good job on the effort of empathizing.

>>8488632
I don't respect bitchy people so get the fuck out of my face with that shit bitch. Why the fuck should I respect you as a person when I don't even know you. Go fuck yourself!

>>8488617

Haha man we are kindred souls man no homo.. Your a cool dude be good to have someone in a similar position to myself. Or not that's cool too. I'm doing nofap at the moment so I won't be wanking to that now. Add me on Kik dude FannyHammer

>also b& for porn

If you're a tranny with SRS, you become nothing more than an ugly woman.

if you're a tranny with a feminine dick, and happen to be somewhat cute and girly, it's much more fun bullying you, calling you a slut, making you wear cute dresses while you play wife for me with a plug in your boipucci. All the fun stuff

>>8489675
Why does any of that require a fem dick?

>>8489675
That does sound fun.

>>8489678
Well, he doesn't like SRS girls so it is about the dick. Maybe he's a beta male and bullying a transgirl makes him feel like an alpha dominating someone he sees as a sub-omega male.

>>8479427
Straight mtf here

I actually like it when guys talk to me like this

>>8489862
Nice projecting there, dude. Let me explain it to you: Without the dick, trannies are out of the dating game for good and will end up living a sad life as genetic trash. who would fuck a fake vadge when they can have a real, cis vagoo without the emotional baggage and brand of cray cray that trannies come with?

By becoming dickgirls (and staying dickgirls), trannies create a third gender for themselves (chicks with dicks) and thus provide new dating and relationship opportunities for perverts like me. I've had relationships both with masculine men and ciswomen, and enjoyed both of them. Having a relationship with a dickgirl would be the perfect spot for me: All the advantages of a girl, without any of the drawbacks like menstruation, lack of video game knowledge, dislike for anime etc.

Also the drawbacks of men (no tits for example) are minimized. It'd be just perfect! In theory. In reality, I'm aware that trannies come with a load of emotional baggage and idiocy implanted in them from reading tumblr and other brainwashing shit 24/7, so I'm better off having an open relationship with my cis girlfriend.

>>8489910
>trannies create a third gender for themselves (chicks with dicks)
That will go over well. Transgirls aren't women, just chicks with dicks.
> I'm better off having an open relationship with my cis girlfriend
OK, your trans gf isn't really your gf, just a little dessert on the side. Got it.

>>8489910
Not every trans person reads tumblr

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>>8489910

>>8456103
agp police contacted

I just want a tgirl gf because they're different than cis girls and used to be boys so we have a lot in common already and they're usually nice not because of how they look.

>>8490081
We're here ma'am, how does she require our help?!

>>8490149
>and used to be boys so we have a lot in common already
mfw most trannies would consider this an insult and claim it's not true but i actually like it

This thread is the prime example of why trannies avoid anyone who labels themselves as a chaser. As a rule, chasers seem to think that they are God's given gift, and will announce at any time that they are just "good guys" who want to save us from a life of loneliness. In reality, however, they don't give much shit about us at all. For the only reason we could replace a cis girl is by having a dick or acting in a demure, submissive, or otherwise conforming to an expectation the average woman (see: tinder dates) apparently cannot fufill. If you do not wish to fufill this expectation you are nothing more than an ungrateful whore, and that it's no wonder nobody wants to fuck you. This is coming from the people who complain endlessly about le roastie women having too many standards, despite the ideal 4chan gf being a 9/10 <5'7 gamer gril who acts like an anime girl and ages like one.

>>8490231
I don't mean it as an insult at all.

the reason I would avoid SRS mtfs is less because of the loss of the dick, and more because of the gain of a disgusting never healing wound, plus suicide rate goes up after surgery

>>8490254
i know but they'd still consider it one. but i don't <3

>>8490290
Well you're welcome then :)

>>8490259
Not this again. It's not a wound it heals. It's not like it's a perpetually oozing, bleeding wound. That's silly. It's cleaner than the boipucci too.
You need to give a source for the suicide rate increase. You made the claim, the burden is on you to prove it.

>>8490312
>It's cleaner than the boipucci too.
But worse than real dick or vag.

>>8490312
it's the mental idea of putting your dick in a carved out cavity that disgusts me, if it's an ass then at least that is something natural

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

>>8490320
Better than a dick if you don't want to have one. It's true though that it'll never be as good as a cisvag, but that's the problem of being trans, you'll never be cis. You can only do the best with what you have.

>>8490290
Do you want to be my girlfriend

>>8490355
>Better than a dick if you don't want to have one.
ehhh

>>8490370
idk anon ;_;

>>8490397
Do you want to be my friend and see if something happens naturally

>>8490353
>http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
You fail at reading comprehension. This report only talks about lifetime attempts. It does not say anything about the timing of the attempts. Those who did not want treatments had lower attempt rates than those who wanted or have had treatments. That's probably because people who don't even want treatment have less severe dysphoria and I question whether they should even be considered trans, but this is my speculation.
You're going to have to try again. Your source did not prove your claim.

>>8490406
ok!

>>8490433
here's another
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

>>8490443
How do I contact you

>>8490259
Its higher than the general population, not higher than pre op mtf's...

>>8490477
[email protected]

>>8490474
Yes, the Swedish study. You fail again. It only compares those who have had SRS with the general population. There's nothing there that compares those who had SRS with those who haven't.
Try again. There's nothing wrong with these two studies, but misinterpretations of them have been used as anti-trans memes by people who don't understand what they're citing.

>>8490433
>>8490538
>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
>the general population hasn't had SRS
the denial is strong

>>8490508
Sent

>>8490549
Yes, denial:
>It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.[39], [40] This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit.

>>8490569
ok you're right, but still ain't putting my dick in there

>>8490585
nobody's forcing you to
and even if you like someone post op, there's still a second place you can use

>>8490551
got it

>>8490592
and how many mtfs would actually want that?
from what I see, they all want their partners to fuck them in their SRS holes once they get the surgery

>>8490647
everyone's different, i watched this video of this one girl once who said she doesn't like/want to use her vag for sex but yes, most would probably want a partner who's fine with srs

>>8490624
Are you gonna reply

>>8490624
My address has i9 in it
Be sure to email that if you do at all

>>8490676
I prefer vaginal sex. It would be pretty hard to have a relationship with someone who was bothered by srs. If a guy didn't like srs but wanted to have non-vag sex with me anyway I'd be willing to give it a try, but if he couldn't change his mind about srs I'd want to move on.

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>>8452327
>be trans
>have tiny dating pool because no one wants you
>have the gall to automatically dismiss people because "chasers"

???

>>8490683
yes i need to make a permanent account first

>>8490806
Everybody has standards.

>>8490842
Well message me whenever you make one then I guess

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>>8488632
No, you in particular clearly have a screw loose. I was polite and asked you to explain your situation. Your were snappy and rude, I've got no sympathy for such an insufferable cunt.

Also don't say "us" when my issue is with you dipshit.

>>8489875
I'm that anon and I fucking know you's are into that shit

>>8491421
>this one trans girl is crazy
perfectly fine

>all of them are mentally unstable
not as much

Which one did you say? Now go cry about how someone was mean to you on the internet

>>8489910
You just described Thailand

I'd rather date a pre op trans because I'm not gonna fuck an inverted penis. I'm okay with a healthy genitalia you can tuck into your panties so I don't have to see it

>>8481513
exactly.

>>8493703
gay bottom detected