>Your letter? >How feminist are you?

>>8419639
Any tranny who is a feminist doesn't deserve to transition or pass.

T
rad fem

T, I believe in equality of opportunity not the outcome, so I guess not much feminist at all.

T
Honestly I could do without interacting with guys ever again.

Sadly impractical.

L
I would willingly have a 50% shorter life if I never had to see a man again

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>>8419639
G
very feminist
women deserve to feel safe and have profitable careers if they so choose.

withdrawing consent upon ejaculation seems harsh and i'm sure the situation is more nuanced than your graphic would imply.
i stopped reading there since i don't think that rehashing the failures of judicial law are going to improve the situation of women.
but thanks for playing.

>>8419643
Any person who deals in absolutes lacks sensitivity to context

>>8419639
T
I don't know. I think I believe in gender equality.

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>>8421399

>>8419639
T
I think men and women are shit

T
Dunno if I give a shit

>>8421429
you have no idea how right you are

B
sort of centrish i guess

>>8421423
What context do you think would change their mind?

>>8421455
On behalf of all men I would like to apologize to you.
I'm sincerely sorry that happened to you and I hope that some day you can find it in your heart to forgive us or at least to find peace with what must have been a horrifying experience.

B
class struggle is real and bourgeois women are not oppressed

>>8419639
L. Very feminist. Those who bash it are usually the sort who think women should've never had the right to vote.

>>8419639
aap fakeboi

moving from virgin neckbeard tier mra to actually caring about equality mra

T

I'm a hippie dippie lassiez faire left winger so feminist but not militantly so?

>>8419721

Trans can't do real radfem

B (muh AGP may may means I'm le trans without knowing it though lel

Not a hint of feminism in these bones and regularly fantasizes about masculine dominated worlds.

>>8419639
T.

Both men and women have their own advantages and disadvantages, and we should all work together to help remedy it.

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G
I think that people, regardless of gender, should be able to live without discrimination but I think the government should stop with their social engineering projects (including lgbt diversity quotas). That being said, I'm in no way a social conservative, I just think that social progress should take place in a natural way rather than being driven by the masses voting for stupid ideas that punish all of us or (((intellectuals))) deciding that one group has too much, not to say I'm against society having a more reasonable curve to income inequality (I'm sympathetic to syndicalist thinking), I just think that doing so because of reasons like race, gender, orientation, ect is morally unjustifiable and wrong.

>inb4 homo sellout, traitor, milo wannabe, gay uncle tom, blinded by privilege, ect.

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B
>woman don't seek as many promotions or take dangerous jobs
>they have children
>why are they paid less??????

>>8423081
>LE WAGEGUPPPP XDDDDDDD

T(mtf)
-30%

I believe in equality and that everyone should be equal before the law. I also believe in liberalism and individual freedom and responsibilitiy. So I dont get on too well with most feminists.

>>8421533
should they tho?

>>8423101
>So I dont get on too well with most feminists.
Based.

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>>8423108
>should they tho?

>>8423140
So thats a no then.

>>8419639
B
not sure,centrist in that part i guess

>>8419639
This is why biowomen are not worth the effort. Learn to like sex with men and transwomen only. And if you can't? VR Ultraporno and Sexbots are coming...

G
Not a feminist at all.
While I have some sympathies for the ideology, and I believe it contributed greatly to human civil rights in the past, feminism today is unfortunately a toxic cesspool of hypocrisy and narcissism. And the great thing about being gay is that I literally don't have to put up with women's bullshit.

G
I'm not political at all and the first thing that comes to mind is that it seems problematic for a supposedly egalitarian movement to be called "FEMINism"....... so not feminist at all, I guess. At the same time though, equality in opportunity is something I would totally support

>>8421414
>women deserve to feel safe and have profitable careers if they so choose.
Do men also deserve those things just for existing with no effort on their part? If they don't, but women do, that's not equality.

>>8419639
T
Feminism in Saudi Arabia: needed
Feminism in USA: a fucking meme
Feminism is fucking stupid in first world countries.

T
I'm all for gender equality, but modern feminism as it is is fucked up, and I think it sweeps over a lot of men's issues. If anything, it has just divided men and women more, rather than equalizing the playing field

>>8419639
B
Feminists are scum, and if they really wanted to stop the misandrists in their movement they could, just like they did with TERFs. Men still haven't been liberated from gender roles and need to be.

>>8419639
T

I'm mysoginist. I know there are good women in the world but my view of them is pretty bad, and I'm trying to change that.

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>>8425794
First world feminism today = kill all cis-hetero-men

Third world feminism=CULTURAL EXPRESSION

US feminism & Euro feminism believe Latino, Asian, Muslim & African women have the right to be second-class, cus religion, culture & race.

>>8426111
Why is your view so bad?

>>8419639
A
Definitely more than most on this board.

>>8419639
B

Feminism is really important in some countries, where women are being treated like men's property or getting FGM done to them... feminists working on problems like that are heroes to me. But in Western countries feminism has become a joke, and the "feminists" in the West typically don't work on fixing problems so much as imagining new ones to complain about.

>>8427295
>feminists working on problems like that are heroes to me.
Even when they ignore the same happening to men?

BT
Sieze the means of production. There is only one gender, the peoples gender.
But yeah, anarcho-communist feminism. We need a revolution.

>>8419639
T
an-fem

>>8430169
why?

>>8430177
I believe that trying to work within the system is foolhardy and won't lead to anything resembling women's liberation or gender equality.
One cannot be liberated when under an unjust hierarchy.

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>>8429766

>>8429629
>>8426056
>b b but what about the men?!?!?!
It's called FEMINISM. Women deserve a space to talk about women's perspectives without bending over to accommodate male feefees every two seconds.

The door is this way, please take your feel-good "feemonism is 4 everyone!!! :)" Facebook memes with you when you leave.

>>8430661
Feminism does have a place talking about male issues though.

>>8430661
males don't have feefees tho

>>8430661
If they only care about "women's issues" when the issue isn't really divided by gender (ex: roughly 50% of abuse victims are male but almost all government-funded shelters for abuse victims are exclusively for women), then they should stop quoting the dictionary definition of feminism to claim they care about equality.
http://www.xojane.com/issues/domestic-violence-shelters-for-men
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/29/feminism_didnt_kill_mens_rights_advocate_earl_silverman/
https://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/mary-elizabeth-williams-killed-earl-silverman/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
So what's it gonna be? Do you acknowledge that women's rights and men's rights are two sides of the same coin and both deserve to be taken seriously? Or do you acknowledge that the dictionary definition of feminism is inaccurate because you will gladly advocate for inequality in favor of women?

>>8430661
Daily reminder women have it much better than men and feminists just want even more privileges than men while making men's lives worse.

No letter, maybe Questioning to T (MtF)

I am strongly anti-feminist. Feminism and feminists are toxic and awful people.

I am strongly in favor of equality, and I can recognize that women are oppressed in society. But so are men. killallfeminists

B

I believe that liberal arts degrees are fucking useless especially womens/cultural studies etc. I love history but holy shit I hate tumblr feminists and people who bitch about the non-existent wage gap.

dont get me wrong,i whole heartedly agree for equity but not when its crying wolf

B, thinking about full G coz I hate women so much
so no

>>8425782
>Do men also deserve those things just for existing with no effort on their part?

Yes.

T

Equalist. I don't believe in reparations. The wage gap is a myth. Men and women should be treated the same in every official regard, taking into account biological differences.

>>8419639
B
whether or not i'm a feminist depends entirely on how deeply you look into feminism. according to the definition, sure. according to the actions and political beliefs commonly held by feminists that have been interwoven into feminist theory, no.
people who identify as feminists, in my experience, are either normies that don't spend more than a half hour a week thinking about it or are on the spectrum of batshit crazy tumblrites. people who identify as anti feminists are generally either olympian-tier turboautists who project their insecurities onto the world filtered through their social isolation, or have been so repeatedly bombarded by batshit crazy feminists that their perspectives are skewed by the autism of others.

>>8419639
G.
I believe in gender equality. So not a feminist at all.

MTF

I don't know how it works but I am unironically extremely misogynistic. I absolutely can't stand being around most women and hate 95% of them even before they talk.

>>8419639
L
I'm a TERF

>>8434156
what do you hate them for?

>>8419639
Too long didn't read.

T
I'm on the xenofeminism

L

Equality is great but that's not what modern feminism pushes for, whatever shit-nonsense they chant about it being THE RADICAL NOTION THAT WOMEN ARE PEOPLE. It's a fucking joke and should be treated like one.

Also, as someone who has been falsely accused of sexual harassment twice and nearly faced expulsion/termination over it, I absolutely cannot get on board with the feminist idea that women lodging complaints of sexual assault/etc. should be automatically believed. Of course some of them fucking lie.

>>8434249
>as someone who has been falsely accused of sexual harassment twice and nearly faced expulsion/termination over it,
How did you escape expulsion?

>>8419639
m(T)f.
I don't call myself feminist but I believe in the things feminism talk about.

So yah, objectification, patriarchy, the struggles for rights, it's all real and they're all important concepts for us, but I don't feel like movement feminism actually wants to address these things outside of making more money and gaining more power, not because they're doing it for women. I think there are plenty of quiet feminists who are trying to help clear space for women, though, and I'd like to count myself among their unnamed number.

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>>8434266
My school called in a cop to interview me. Some girls had gotten together and told my gym teacher that I was staring at them and touching them in the locker room when we were all changing for class. The cop and gym teacher both believed me; I was painfully shy back then, so they probably (rightfully) concluded what was going on by that alone. They couldn't receive a complaint like that and just do nothing, though, so I was made to change alone in the empty boy's football locker room for the rest of the year.

The second time, HR interviewed me, my shift leads, my supervisor, and the couple of girls involved in the complaint. What had happened was I had made passing jokes to coworkers I was friends with (for example, I jokingly referred to one as my work wife, and she laughed along) that some cunt apparently overheard and took it upon themselves to report to HR. Everyone was on my side, so the complaint was dismissed with a warning that I "be careful about how what I say could be taken".

People never really grow up.

>>8434316
>They couldn't receive a complaint like that and just do nothing, though,
That's just rewarding frivolous and untrue complaints...

>>8434361
True, though I understand the difficult position the teachers were put in. It was my word against that of multiple other girls and they had no definitive proof either way.

I've thought a lot about how I probably wouldn't have been let off so easily had I been male in that situation. If this has happened to me twice during my lifetime, and I'm just your normal straight-passing femme female, it fucking boggles my mind to think of how many complaints against men must be either made up or embellished by similar cunty, underhanded women.

>>8434403
>It was my word against that of multiple other girls and they had no definitive proof either way.
That's kind of the problem. A group of bullies will have their word taken over the victim's. That's why real courts have due process and presumption of innocence. And there was a real cop involved in your case, so it was obviously taken seriously in that way, but not when it came to punishment. What if the other locker hadn't been empty? Would you have just had to miss the gym class or change after everybody else or in a restroom?

The teachers could have offered the other girls somewhere else to change instead of ordering you to. That way nobody gets punished for being falsely accused and if it is true the victims are still protected.

>I've thought a lot about how I probably wouldn't have been let off so easily had I been male in that situation.
Yeah, and if that situation been in the boys locker room would the boys making the complaint have been taken as seriously or just told to change in the other end of the room from the boy they were accusing?

>>8419639
G
The only woman who hasn't ever tried to play with me or wrap me around her little finger is the one who raised me. I do think the sexes should be equal but I'm still fucking tired of women crying wolf just because they want the attention.

>>8435083
it's sad

>>8426056
>Men still haven't been liberated from gender roles and need to be.
Feminists absolutely try to do this. The reason men resist it is because women value masculinity in men, and telling them to be as effeminate as they like is just fucking over guys who are idealistic.

This sort of MRA bullshit is retarded, you're denouncing feminists for failing to do something which they actually do.

>>8438730
>Feminists absolutely try to do this.
Since when?

What have you personally done as a feminist?

>>8438749
I'm not even a feminist, but for like forty years. Take any sociology class you want, they will complain both male and female gender norms, and consider both constitutive of the patriarchy. When feminists whinge over "toxic masculinity", they are in fact talking about men trying to act out harmful, unrealistic standards which society places on them.

You're just another liberationist retard, same as them.

>>8438803
>Not one example besides "but they tell men what not to do"

>>8438813
Google "feminism male gender roles".

I want to listen to an album and I don't want to get into a flame war, do your own research.

T
Kill all feminists

>>8434173
They take being the easier sex for granted, and usually have the personality of newspaper oatmeal since they are so valued in society. All the girls in the world could be the same 10 girls for all I know, their pathetically easy lives have homogenized them.

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>>8419639
B
Gas all Marxists

>>8419639

All "punching up" "isms" carry some degree of seething moral depravity with them.

This is done by the bland majority of feminists, etc., desperately encouraging all to not harbor any meaningful resentment for those who do really creepy shit in the name of that socially progressive flair.

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G Liberal conservatism
Never took the socialist kool aid

B

it's complete shit the second it becomes anything other than women raising themselves up to be equals

you can't be a male feminist

>>8438803
I gotta be honest with you, I will not let anyone, and especially anyone who does not identify or has never lived as a male, define what masculinity is for me.

>>8438730
They might give lip service to men's issues but nothing has actually been done about it, men's gender roles are the same as they were 50 years ago when the feminist movement came into existence.

>the reason men resist it is because women value masculinity in men
Just proves my point, the feminist movement forced men to accept an end to female gender roles, however they are obviously not willing to force women to accept an end to male gender roles and want to keep their own privileges.

If anything the feminist movement has greatly benefited from the perception of women as helpless victims that need to be protected by men.

>>8438803
Only the ones that negatively affect women, they're perfectly fine with men remaining disposable providers and protectors.

>>8438803
Um, and if you've taken classes beyond soc101, you'll realize that's literally just one theory with not much substantial evidence backing it.

But of course, no one ever does, they take a basic class and think they understand the world. Similar to philosophy and psych 101ers except with psychs most teachers now start out with warnings because students couldn't stop pulling that shit.

>>8430661
Then stop shutting down the men's rights movement.

>>8441137
absolutely agree

>>8443955
>men's rights movement

men already have rights
they don't need a movement

This whole fucking board is like YouTube comments in 2008, I can't stand it. Do none of you spend time anywhere else on this website?

>>8443936
>with not much substantial evidence backing it.
None of this has "substantial backing". Doesn't change that mainstream feminists want to abolish all gender roles and be Unique Individuals.

>>8443920
>They might give lip service to men's issues but nothing has actually been done about it, men's gender roles are the same as they were 50 years ago when the feminist movement came into existence.
It's really not for lack of feminist complaining.

>Only the ones that negatively affect women, they're perfectly fine with men remaining disposable providers and protectors.
Most feminists gush over the rise of nursing and economic role reversal. That's AIDS for different reasons, but they don't want to be pampered housewives who can fuck whatever, they want to be as respected as men are.

>>8441137
See Wittgenstein's private language argument you sanctimonious dumbass.

>>8444424
>This whole fucking board is like YouTube comments in 2008, I can't stand it.
Yet here you are perpetuating exactly that.

>>8419639
T

I don't think it's impotent to label things but I try my best to be a fair advocate for equality of both sexes, the being said women have it worse in many ways.

The again this narrative isn't simple black and white and I questioned a lot from the documentary "the red pill"

>>8444424
>It's really not for lack of feminist complaining.
[citation needed]

>>8444424
Most autists pick one board and never leave it. Obsessive, narrow-minded interests, remember? It's just doubly cringe when the subject is "muh sexuality" "muh gender" "muh sociocultural beweefs" as opposed to "muh aquarium" or "muh computer hardware".

>>8444444
>the being said women have it worse in many ways.
Proofs.

>and I questioned a lot from the documentary "the red pill"
Specifically? I think you use "question" to mean "discount because it goes against my narrative (which happens to make me a victim)".

>>8444474
Where do you come from? Tumblr? Facebook? This place is a blast from the past.

It's unfalsifiable as to whether more feminist whining could have turned men into agender mentally androgynous pansies, but there has been plenty of feminist whining about male gender roles nonetheless. You barely have to spend any time with feminists before you hear them talking about how men should be more open, more willing to cry, more willing to seek treatment for depression, less aggressive, etc. Feminists celebrate the advent of the single father, they're all for men becoming more traditionally feminine. The reason a lot of PUAs and such hate them is because they consider all that bad advice which leaves whoever's duped romantically unwanted.

>>8419639

B
One quick Google; "Kiranjit Ahluwalia is an Indian woman who came to international attention after burning her husband to death in 1989 in the UK. She claimed it was in response to ten years of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse."

The picture got blown out of the fucking water. I also studied this case, and it was perceived as retribution. I don't think she deserved an award though but I'm sure it wasn't awarded on the basis of actually killing her husband, especially in a place like the UK.

>>8444444

WITNESSED

>>8444515
There's plenty of examples of what feminism has done to get women special treatment.

Yet somehow they become ineffectual and useless when it comes to helping men?

When they're not too busy making things worse for men and blaming men for all that's wrong in society, something they're far better at and spend far more time on.

>>8444444
>444444
>impotent

checked and laughing

>>8444541
Obviously feminists don't care about men very much.

It's in part because feminists dislike men that they approach masculinity like they do. They do less advocacy and such for men, but they still agree with you when you say we should eliminate male gender roles.

>>8444559
>They do less advocacy and such for men
negative*

>but they still agree with you when you say we should eliminate male gender roles.
How do things like quotas and other gendered treatment do that?

Words and not actions.

>>8421757
consider masculinity studies conducted by gender/feminist studies departments

>>8444584
Nothing you're saying changes the fact that you have feminist beliefs even if you dislike the movement in its current form.

You're a feminist.

>>8444642
>you have feminist beliefs
Equality is nothing whatsoever to do with feminism.

>>8444424
Look, here's my problem with the feminist movement we know of today.
Once upon a time The movement done fantastic work securing the rights and freedoms for women, I'm talking about first and second wave feminism who supplied women with suffrage, the right to work and to earn the same wage as a male counterpart, along with many other freedoms. However, those days have long past now, and we are left with third wave feminism, which has become a toxic cesspool of entitlement and hypocrisy.
They still carry the notion that they are oppressed under some demonic entity they call Patriarchy, despite the fact that women in western nations nowadays have better access to education, employment and even healthcare, compared to men. They continue to spout the lie that feminism means equality for everyone, when clearly, in feminism, women are more equal than men.
Now, I don't have any problems with feminism being a women's rights movement. I think that is what they are good at and should stick to those principles, but for some reason, they feel compelled to hijack the movements of other minority groups, because feminists demand to aways be the centre of attention. Let's take the issues that gay men face every day, feminists look at groups like them, and use supreme mental gymnastics to insert themselves and convince society that women are the "real" victims of homophobia. The "real" victims of poverty etc etc, This is why intersectional feminism is a failure. They don't want to help others, they just want to enhance their own victim complexes.

>>8446530
>>8444424

Now we take men's rights movements, who often are perpetrators of the same bullshit I accuse feminism of doing, but to a lesser extent. Their existence proves feminism is not about equality for everyone, if it was, then MRA's and Feminists would get on splendidly, since they fight for the same rights for everyone. No, while feminism isn't the cause of many issues men face last & present, they are certainly keen on making sure that men's issues are never solved. Feminists in India blocked a movement that would make the rape laws in the country gender neutral, because they want to silence the male victims of rape, and also female victims when their rapist's are also female. Feminists protest the establishments of mens spaces everywhere, domestic abuse shelters in particular because again, victim complexes. They have become the oppressors, ironically.

Here's the kicker though, women in western nations have more rights then men. In move western countries, women can terminate parenthood if the so wish, yet men have no say in the matter if they want to become fathers or not, even if the father is a minor, or a rape victim in this case. Tue genital integrity of girls is protected while boy's rights are constantly violated and circumcision is preformed without the patient's consent. In america, men must register for selective services in order to obtain any rights, whereas women get these rights without any comitment needed. Yet feminists in this country still say they "fight" for equal rights. If that were true, then these issues would be highcin their priorities, since they are actual, literal rights that half the country benefit from, while the other half suffer. And what about the rights of women and girls in countries like Saudi arabia? Pakkstan and others? You know, where women are legally considered property, can't drive, movement and dress is extremely limited, etc? They pay lip service to those girls, and nothing more.

Im afraid for my husbands saftey because of this 4th wave feminist childish bullshit..

This whole movement makes me sick to my stomache. "Equality" my ass..

>>8446620
There's nothing childish about female supremacism any more than there is about racial supremacism.

man hating L here
radfem cus duh

>>8419639
The most fucked up one that pisses the most people off.
Thats the one i want to be.

>>8446672
Why man-hating?

>>8446803
Because penis envy

G
I don't think about women.

Bisexual
All one needs to do to immediately realise that feminism is (and always has been to some extent) a cult is to look at how feminists act in the real world. It's almost alien.

L. Feminist insofar as I believe in equality between sexes. Both men and women are disadvantaged in different ways and both of these need addressing equally. A lot of anti-feminist examples are very extreme cases and are ridiculous, but the moderate stuff is much more reasonable. Same for MRA.

People are generally cunts regardless of gender, however. I don't hate men but they can wind me the fuck up sometimes. So can women, though.

>>8447282
Wow, a reasonable cisbian!

>>8421502
>On behalf of all men
I'm not a man but pretty sure you don't have that authority.
Shouldn't the rapist apologize?

>>8447320
Not only does he not have that authority, but he's presuming all men have something to apologize for and that they need forgiveness.

That's very insulting and bigoted itself.

>>8430661
>It's called FEMINISM. Women deserve a space to talk about women's perspectives without bending over to accommodate male feefees every two seconds.
>feminists congregate in groups of tejs of thousands with no intervention
>any ten mras gatherig together will spark a raid and harassment
Yes, womens spaces are sorely needed!!
Stupid premise in the first place, no one has a right to segregation

>>8447341
Not to mention false terror threats and actual violence.

>>8447327
I've been sexually assaulted by a woman, and I've no inclination of considering the entire female population even a little bit responsible for what one person did to me.
An apology from anyone else except the perpetrator is meaningless.

>>8447612
>I've been sexually assaulted by a woman,
What kind of sexual assault?

>>8447637
She used to fondle me, put her fingers in me and make me go down on her. She was an older cousin, I was probably 9 or 10 at the time.

B, I'm not very feminist at all but I'm not anti-feminist either really its all a bunch of useless bs.

>>8447674
I'm painfully aroused now.

>>8447700
It wasn't fun. It was humiliating. And I like men anyways.

mTf

Pink on the OP scale. I also feel that both males and females have different kinds of privileges and restrictions. Males tend to have agency and independence of action in exchange for "carrying their own weight"; whereas females have an easier time overall and lots of help, but are stripped layers of their agency and are expected to comform more.
Both are kinda harmfuI for some people and right for others, I feel. Wish it wasn't gender-based.

Lot of the OP pic is stupid. Its wrong to rape someone just because you are "nearing ejaculation". Raping someone and then having consensual sex later doesn't undo a rape. Wtf. Ughhh not even touching the self-defense stuff either or the cancer grants (you realize people have to WORK to get those grants, right?).

I'm not even feminist its just whiny weird anecdotes about "oh this guy raped a girl and got in trouble". If that's feminist I guess every normal person must be feminist.

>>8447748
Ever heard of the "point of no return?"

>>8447771

Sounds like a stupid excuse to rape somebody. Also afaict PONR means "ejaculation will occur" not "you need to keep having sex".

Can any guy just rape women and say "oh durrr I was so close to ejaculating"?

>>8447781
Read it again. It said they were having consensual sex, and at the last moment she withdrew that consent.

>>8447817

I read it. You know withdraw consent means that YOU NEED TO STOP right? He might ejaculate, he might not, but if he keeps fucking her then its RAPE. And its not okay, not even if you are "so close".

>>8447826
But if he's gonna ejaculate Whether or not he stops fucking her he's gonna cum in her even just a little. That's why it's wrong to consider it rape. I've been raped before, I cannot stand it when people take abuse these laws that were put in place to protect the actual victims, which it does a rather shit job of it anyways.

>>8447842
>But if he's gonna ejaculate Whether or not he stops fucking her he's gonna cum in her even just a little.
Uhhh but we aren't talking about "he stopped fucking her but still ejaculated". We are talking about "she said to stop and he didn't stop pooor him!!!"
Its fucking WRONG to rape someone even if they consented earlier, and no means no even if you are "so close". You piece of garbage, and being "raped before" doesn't give you an excuse to justify rape either.

>>8447748
>I'm not even feminist I just think men should be second-class citizens I guess that makes all misandrists feminists.

>>8447889

"Not raping people" = "Second class".

Wtf....ugh.

>>8447862
The OP did not mention Whether or not he stopped, you're just jumping to conclusions, and trying to justify criminalising innocent people, which only makes it harder for the real victims of rape, you disgusting worthless piece of shit.

>>8447994
>The OP did not mention Whether or not he stopped

No, he jumps right from the part where it says "she asked him to stop" to "booo hoooo he got in trouble for being a rapist!".
Saying "he actually really did stop" would be the important information there. Instead, it says "oh no he was sooo close" which would be fucking IRRELEVANT if he ACTUALLY STOPPED.

>trying to justify criminalising innocent people,
If you rape someone you are not innocent.

> only makes it harder for the real victims of rape,
Like the woman who got raped in the OP, who you say doesn't count because....why? Because you made up a story where the man really did stop but went to jail anyway?

Fuck off.

>>8448025
No, fuck you. People like you are the reason why nobody takes rape seriously. People like you are the reason that bitch got away with raping me. You make the crime all wishy washy, criminalising people who are innocent, and causing others to question the legitimacy of actual. Fucking. Rapes.
It's all a fucking joke to you isn't it? Oh just throw him in jail, throw her in jail whatever.
Absolute cancer is what you are.

>>8448067

No fuck off. People like YOU who pretend there is only one specific type of "REAL RAPE" and every other rape victim deserves it ARE THE PEOPLE NOT TAKING RAPE SERIOUSLY YOU FUCKING HORRIBLE EVIL HUMAN BEING.

>You make the crime all wishy washy
Rape is not "wishy washy" nor is saying "STOP IT" and having a guy not stop wishy washy.

>criminalising people who are innocent,
Rapists are not innocent.

> causing others to question the legitimacy of actual. Fucking. Rapes.
"actual. Fucking. Rapes." like the one you are brushing off as not being real. Because YOU are not taking rape seriously. And you have the fucking nerve to bitch about people who DO take rape seriously? Because people who take ALL rapes seriously, not just ~yours and yours alone~ are the problem here, and not evil people like yourself?

UGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>8448100
You're either the most fucking dense person in the universe, or just a plain monster. Think about it, for 10csecond, okay? When do people normally withdraw consent to sex? Either before penetration, or when penetration has begun, maybe 20-30 seconds after, hell even in the middle. Nobody has sex for 5-10 minutes and withdraws consent right at the end. The only kind of person who does that, is someone who is trying to abuse the system to set another person up. She planned it out, and screwed him over. People like her are the reason why so many people are skeptical about the law, and you are fucking justifying what she did. You make the world and even harder place for rape victims. False claims and abuse of the law makes all cases of rape look bad, but you don't even care, do you? You're not even human, just a cancer on this society.

>>8448168

I looked up the case and apparently its famous because she admitted to lying about it. So she is garbage, just like you are and I will no longer defend her as a rape victim, but I will say that the scenario in OP does not do anything to mention the fact that she lied? She went to jail on top of it. Hell sources on it are hard to find in general, it happened 30 some years ago.

>When do people normally withdraw consent to sex? Either before penetration, or when penetration has begun, maybe 20-30 seconds after, hell even in the middle. Nobody has sex for 5-10 minutes and withdraws consent right at the end.
> The only kind of person who does that, is someone who is trying to abuse the system to set another person up
Bullshit. When I think of stopping sex its because I am in some pain, either internal or external. People can withdraw consent at any time. And if you do not stop, you are a rapist. An "actual. fucking. rapist."

Also you fucking pathetic weenie, as if it needed to be said, just because a guy is "close to ejaculation": does not mean sex is at the end. Sex doesn't revolve around a guys' dick. Or at least it shouldn't.

> You make the world and even harder place for rape victims.
No you do, because apparently you think consent is fucking OPTIONAL and anyone who withdraws consent "at the end" (as determined by the man's penis) is actually lying. Wow what an awesome bullshit loophole you made up.

I care about all rapes, including ones where the victim withdrew consent during, and including ones where the victim had consensual sex before or after. Its WRONG TO RAPE PEOPLE.

>>8448250
No it certainly doesn't revolve around the guy's dick, neither does it revolve around someone's pussy either, men and women can refuse sex, just because a man ejaculates doesn't mean he consented to sex either, it doesn't justify it.
Yep, shes a piece of shit, just like you.
You care about false claims, which makes it harder for the victims. You're garbage.

>>8448168
Whether something is rape or not is not dependent on whether the person who withdrew consent had a "legitimate" reason for doing so or not. That's the whole point, it's like saying robbery should be legal unless you can prove in court how important the stolen goods were to you. "Abusing the system" would be verbally withdrawing consent and calling your partner a rapist because it took them all of five seconds to hear and understand you, or never announcing your withdrawal of consent at all, but later turning around and saying your partner raped you because you didn't consent. What matters is whether you give your partner a sufficient opportunity to stop having sex before you decide they're a rapist, one's REASONS for withdrawing consent should have nothing to do with it.

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>>8448385
>You're garbage
>ad hominem

I think the reason ejaculation is being codified into law is because it increases the likelihood of pregnancy as a result of the rape, and all that that entails.
Of course pre-ejaculate contains sperm and so women can become pregnant even if the man pulls out before ejaculating.
But I think this sort of thinking (if a child results from the rape then the rape is "worse" because of possible miscegenation or problems raising the child by a father who doesn't accept it or abortion) is why we are seeing laws like this being made.

>>8444372
women already have rights
they don't need a movement :^)

>>8448497
but women don't already have rights.
you're not being honest.

>>8448100
>saying "STOP IT" and having a guy not stop
Where does the OP image say the man did not stop?

>>8448527
Please name a written legal right that men in the United States (feel free to answer for a different country, but keep in mind modern Feminism does fuck-all to denounce countries without white majority) have and women don't. I'll wait.

>>8448527
Men don't already have roghts you're not being honest

>>8448550
you really don't have anything better to do with your time?

>>8448546
The right to go topless in public

Are you even thinking?

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>>8448616
That's it? When a modern Feminist says "women don't have some legal rights that men have", they mean going topless in public? Really?
I've never heard a Feminist bring that point up in my entire life, and I live in a very liberal city. I thought for sure you'd go on about the wage gap that doesn't exist, or impossible rights that would criminalize hurting a woman's feelings. This is, in all honesty, the first time.
I could've sworn it had been technically legal for years but hardly anyone did it, because women generally do not WANT the right to go topless in public. A recent poll on the subject showed that more men than women wanted this particular inequality removed. Obviously the men have an ulterior motive for their opinion, but why so few women? Even if they personally would never use that freedom, why do they acknowledge that they don't want other women to have it? Sounds like pure jealousy to me.

>>8448753
source: https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/05/13/toplessness/

>>8448753
Any data on what both genders think about male toplessness?

>>8448616
>conscription
>circumcision
>not being arrested when reporting domestic violence
>being hired or admitted for your sex
>being believed when you cry rape

>>8448606
I 100% believe that men are disadvantaged as much or more than women

>>8448845
Why?

>>8452214
Cause women have very few disadvantages while men have relatively less. Women are judged less hardly in court, their side is always taken in disputes, divorces, etc.
There are no domestic violence organizations in usa that protect men despite them making up almost half the victims. Male rape victims are not treated as female rape victims, false rape accusations which are very common are rarely penalized and very often are accepted by court.
Women don't really have many objective disadvantages.
I'd recommend a documentary called The Red Pill, please forgive the cringy name

>>8421533
>those who support it are usually the sort who want men to be treated like they are subhuman
FTFY

>>8423140
Based men and white women.

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>>8439390
G
This.

>>8452289
When do false rape accusations get accepted by courts?

>>8454550
MRA lies.

>>8452312
pointed

>>8421414
>let me just shut my eyes to the proof that feminism has nothing to do with equality, that will show how smart I am.

G/T (ftm)
I'm egalitarian. Everyone should be treated fairly, I don't give a fuck what your gender/sexuality/color is, everyone deserves equal treatment. The wage gap is a myth and double standards are stupid.

B
Equal rights and nothing else. Fuck allowing women to get whatever they want out of the courts.

>>8419639

B

Feminism is cancer, and the biggest obstacle on the road to actual equality.

Thankfully, your average run-of-the-mill person who says they're a feminist isn't a complete cunt.

>>8419639
B
Egalitarian, therefore Anti-Feminist
Feminism is female supremacy

>>8421502
you don't have the right to apologize for all men
because most men are innocent of this.

by all means, it's a tragedy that anyone has to go through that, but men as a whole aren't responsible, and I for one refuse to apologize or be blamed for something someone else did.

>>8444642
feminism does not get a monopoly on the idea of equality

>>8444642
Feminism has never been about equality. If it were they'd be screaming for equal treatment not equal representation, there'd be no need for MRAs, it would recognize (as it does for other gendered language) how its own movement is gendered in a way that implies masculinity is negative and thus sexist, the movement wouldn't be ENTIRELY COMPATIBLE with openly man-hating dykes who believe all heterosexual sex is rape, and so on.

Personally, I don't even believe feminism was ever necessary. There was a huge push to emancipate everyone at the time; women would've gotten the vote without it, along with every other right they got. All women would've - and did - have to do was ask for it. Unlike every other demographic, which had to earn it. Feminism just happened to ride that wave and claim unearned credit for it.

It's an insane movement of activists that serves no purpose whatsoever but to perpetuate itself. That's why it spends its time doing little more than make gender relations worse for everyone involved, in order to justify its own existence. I'd even go so far as to say that it is evil.

>>8463759
What do you mean women would have got the right to vote anyway? How can we tell?

How did other demographics have to earn it in a way women didn't?

>>8463697
They seem to.

>>8466067
unfortunately, yeah

>>8421414
T
agree with this person, ridiculous meme you've posted OP

staunch feminist

>>8421414
>>8468343
Because improving the situation of males doesn't matter.

>>8468376

I acknowledge there are plenty of both male-specific issues, and sexist issues that also end up harming men as well. What now?

>>8419639

Demons. Soulless inhuman monsters.

>>8469058
>What now?
You're exposed as a liar:

>i stopped reading there since i don't think that rehashing the failures of judicial law are going to improve the situation of women.

>>8471660

Pro tip: the reactionaries making those memes aren't the ones that give a crap about men's issues. The content of that image has no actual worth.

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B

Women are disgusting by nature and must conceal themselves or not bitch every waking moment of their lives about muh rape. Receiving is literally the only useful thing they're capable of and should be encouraged rather than criminalized in society.
>>8419721
>>8419752
>>8421399
>>8421533
>>8422516
Here we see the prime example.

>>8471783
Cop out. Your misandry is evident.

>>8471895
Not hating men is pretty tough to begin with, don't diminish my efforts now.

>>8471909
>Not hating men is pretty tough
t. very/staunch feminist

>>8471931
>falling for the feminists hate men meme

pol is mental poison

>>8419639
Breast cancer has the most grants and funding because tits are life, if I was a woman I'd want medical science to go above and beyond to save my titties. I wouldn't want cancer to steal my nice rack away.

>>8471945
I'm sorry but direct quotes don't count as falling for memes.

>>8421502
>on behalf of all men

Fuck off Skylar

>>8421513
>/thread

Bi, anarchist (with all the feminism that at least should come with that).

>>8472989
Sorry, this is something I haven't seen before. Can you please expand how anarchy and feminism intervene / beget each other?

>>8419639

G

I'm not sure how much of OP's articles are true, but I'm too lazy to fact check, so I guess I have no strong feelings one way or the other

>>8473383
Anarchism is the abolition of all hierarchy, including the domination of women by men.

>>8419639
T
I am a feminist.
I believe in an equal playing field for everyone.
I dont mention Im a feminist in mixed company because I got tired of arguing with retards that dont actually know what feminism is. They only like to argue against a strawman version of it and that gets fucking tiring.

>>8474310
Should you ever succeed, enjoy having children of both genders rediscover its sweet allure at birth every generation and hate you with the power of 1000 suns for trying to suppress it, eventually to the point of cultural revolution

>>8474342
>I am a feminist.
>I believe in an equal playing field for everyone.
>I got tired of arguing with retards that dont actually know what feminism is
Epic irony.

>>8474386
All that talking out of your ass and jack shit came out.
How informative.

Repressed T.
Very. Feminism is generally good, but has its share of bad apples.

>>8474396
Look in a mirror >>8474342

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>>8474342
>NOT REAL FEMINISM!!
https://youtu.be/mpPebV2ZqwQ
>only watching 10 seconds of the video because too lazy to skip ahead or leave it on as background noise
>insulting the youtuber's voice or avatar instead of addressing the direct quotes from Feminists in the video
>unironically dismissing every single person directly quoted as MRA sockpuppets
>muh cherry-picking, muh vocal minority, muh dictionary definition of Feminism (the video addresses this)

>>8474310

Hmm, I see. Thank you for clarifying, it is not something I've given much consideration.

>>8474356

What an idiot worldview.

Additional "not real" Feminist arguments with citations:
https://youtu.be/fD1pMWduO2o
https://youtu.be/ap2Xe-xzYGo

>>8474464
Go home guys, feminism is over.

Sorry, wrong link:
https://youtu.be/C8JQoM8mIZ4

https://www.thelocal.se/20161112/stockholm-transport-heads-defends-gender-equal-snow-clearing
>TRUE Feminism has never been tried!

It took a while but glad to see somebody who knows the facts about feminism has turned up.

>>8426111
Assuming you're an mtf, why do you want to be a woman if you dislike them?

>>8434156
>>8439380
>hates all girls
>wants to be a girl

I don't get this meme.

>>8482089
>women have pathetically easy lives
>I'm pathetic
>so I should be _____
fill in the blank