>UK so terrified of socialism they've just voted in a

>>8409959
I wish it was the DUP with three hundred seats and the cuckservatives with 10.

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Does she pass?

Also, FUCK IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!

Anno this is going to sound retarded but what's going to happen to the NHS are we fucked ?

>>8411166
The DUP only got 10 seats, they have no real power. Things are basically the same, in fact, they're a little better for us given that 49% of parliament are liberals now

>>8411193
So does that mean I don't need to kill myself iam waiting for my first appointment for hormones in like 5 months and have like 0 income will I still get mones for free? I don't follow politics lol as you can tell

>>8411205
What's with the one about trusting muslims to go down to the shops for him?

>>8411212
Well really, who trusts muslims with anything?

>>8410962
Ahem, Northern Ireland. We have nothing to do with those crazies.

>>8410367
Same.

So what if they don't support gay marriage? Not every gay person does... it doesn't make the DUP "homophobic". Stop pathologising differing political opinions. Though I wish the Christians had focused more on adoption than marriage... I'm gay and I don't particularly care for gay marriage either way, but gay adoption? I'm very much against that.

>>8411252
>So what if they don't support gay marriage? Not every gay person does... it doesn't make the DUP "homophobic"
hahahahahaha

>I'm gay and I don't particularly care for gay marriage either way
How can you be so thoroughly cucked that you want the state to deny you the same benefits the heterosexuals receive when (if) you settle down with someone? Heteros don't all have kids you know. You deserve the same rights.

>gay adoption? I'm very much against that.
Any particular reason?

>>8411268
>hahahahahaha
Again, stop pathologising differing political opinions. You can be against gay marriage and not be homophobic.

>How can you be so thoroughly cucked that you want the state to deny you the same benefits the heterosexuals receive when (if) you settle down with someone? Heteros don't all have kids you know. You deserve the same rights.

I said I don't care for it much either way. In the UK we had civil partnerships... so we didn't really need gay marriage. Why does it have to be called "marriage", anyway? They could have just enhanced civil partnerships.

>Any particular reason?
Because it's not good for the child. Neither is single parenting... my mum was a single parent, and she did her best, but even she'd have agreed things would have been easier, and we'd have turned out better if she had had a man. The best environment for a child to be raised in is under a mother and father, ideally married. How can you support gay adoption? You probably support trannies, don't you? Ah, yes... let's ban reparative therapy for gay men who want to try it, but give hormone blockers to children and hormones to teenagers, that'll work out great! Kids know best! The nuclear family has already been weakened enough. Gay couples raising children is just wrong, and damaging. Though do feel free to cite some biased, post-modern "studies" for me. I'm sure scientific activism will convince me!

>>8411289
>You can be against gay marriage and not be homophobic.
I don't know how you define 'homophobic' but wanting to deny marriage contracts to gay people seems to be rooted in the idea that gay relationships are not legitimate.

>we had civil partnerships... so we didn't really need gay marriage
Don't be an idiot, dude. Those are not equal to marriage contracts.

>Why does it have to be called "marriage"
Because that is what it is. You don't ask someone to "civil partner" you. And if it triggers Christians that's frankly too bad. Marriage contracts are not the business of the Church. Gay people could already have marriage *ceremonies* regardless, if they really wanted to and had a willing priest or rabbi.

>Because it's not good for the child
You're making broad assumptions about other people and playing God.

>Neither is single parenting...
We don't outlaw that either. My parents were split up, both remained in my life, it did shake up my childhood, but I adjusted.

>The best environment for a child to be raised in is under a mother and father, ideally married.
It's fine you think so but you can't force that life on people m8

>How can you support gay adoption?
Gay people need to be treated equally under the law. Besides, gay people tend to be high earners and will give the kids good education.

>You probably support trannies, don't you?
Matter of fact, yes. My brother is FtM.

>>8411306
>I don't know how you define 'homophobic' but wanting to deny marriage contracts to gay people seems to be rooted in the idea that gay relationships are not legitimate.
They're not "illegitimate", but they are different.

>Because that is what it is.
It's not tho.

>You're making broad assumptions about other people and playing God.
There's studies to back it up, though. How can you not find it wrong? It just feels wrong. Don't be a fucking degenerate.

>We don't outlaw that either.
But when you're the state deciding what to do with children, you have choices. They'd obviously prefer a child to be with a mother and father over a single parent... there's a reason for that.

>Don't be an idiot, dude. Those are not equal to marriage contracts.
Why does it need to be equal tho? Homosexuality isn't natural. You'd seem to have a problem if it was the same as marriage, except in name.

>It's fine you think so but you can't force that life on people m8
Yes. Yes we can. It was that way naturally before it had to be changed.

>Gay people need to be treated equally under the law. Besides, gay people tend to be high earners and will give the kids good education.
Gay people are 3% of the population but are 30% of the paedophile population. They also tend to be less monogamous. Hardly a stable environment for a child, eh? Also gay people are more likely to be mentally ill. Not all of that is due to societal "repression".

>Matter of fact, yes. My brother is FtM.
Sister. You mean your sister. Stop it. You're pandering to mental illness.

>>8411343
>They're not "illegitimate", but they are different.
Different word for the same effect: fewer legal rights, fewer benefits, and so on. As I pointed out already, gay people need to be treated equally under the law, including with marriage contracts. There are heteros who don't reproduce and the law does not punish them for it.

>It's not tho.
Then what is it?

>There's studies to back it up, though
I'm sure "Christian Science" has studies to prove they can cure homosexuality with electric shocks too

>How can you not find it wrong? It just feels wrong. Don't be a fucking degenerate.
You sad self-loathing cuckold. I pity you.

>Homosexuality isn't natural.
kek

Yuo cant tell me you believe your own erections are unnatural, you're clearly straight... gtfo

>>8411306
>>8411343

Hey completely butting into this riveting convo.

But I'd like to ad my two cents.

Marriage is religious institution between a man and a woman. Even Ancient Rome which were the most liberal society in history when it came to homosexuality didn't have gay marriage. I don't have a problem with this.

Societies rules and traditions are put in place over time to protect the people and the culture every society on earth has a form of male female marriage, non have gay marriage.

Homosexuality is in fact an outlier and not of the norm, does this mean it's wrong... no. As an outlier though it should not be used as a standard to shift societal norms.

Studies have also proven a child is best raised with both a masculine and feminine parental influence, this cannot be denied. Once again this is/was ingrained into our society until it was torn down by rampant feminism in the 20th century.

t. Raging queen

>>8411361
Just curious what fewer benefits and legal rights?
Please cite examples.

>>8411361
>Different word for the same effect: fewer legal rights, fewer benefits, and so on. As I pointed out already, gay people need to be treated equally under the law, including with marriage contracts. There are heteros who don't reproduce and the law does not punish them for it.
Homosexuality isn't the same as heterosexuality, though. Why the fuck should gays raise kids together? That's degenerate. Stop it.

>Then what is it?
A civil union. Marriage is special, and it's something specific.

>I'm sure "Christian Science" has studies to prove they can cure homosexuality with electric shocks too
I disagree with ECT for homosexuality, actually. Though most reparative therapy doesn't involve that. I'm sure post-modernist "studies" completely validate everything you think. Congratulations, you have the neo-marxist cultural saboteurs on your side.

>You sad self-loathing cuckold. I pity you.
I actually value monogamy, unlike most other faggots. I pity you... just because I don't think homosexuality should be promoted (especially by the state), doesn't mean I'm a self-loathing homosexual.

>kek
Yuo cant tell me you believe your own erections are unnatural, you're clearly straight... gtfo

Homosexuality isn't natural, though? "Born this way" is a bullshit activist lies from the '80s, and a "gay gene" has never and will never be found. I think homosexuality is a deep-rooted phenomena with a lot of causes... but to say it's natural? What a joke. It's closer to a paraphilia than a gene. I myself am gay, actually. I'm out, too.

>>8411389
Thank you. Glad this board has some sensible people on it. By the way. for anyone reading this... when I say homosexuality isn't natural, I'm not attaching a moral judgement. I assume most of you think I am, when I'm not. I'm agnostic, not a Christian. Just because I'm certain homosexuality isn't natural in the sense that heterosexuality is, doesn't mean I think it's a "sin" (I don't).

>>8411208
Yeah you're okay.

Although you should get a job anyway friend, it's not safe to be a NEET in a Conservative government. Even if online pharmacies get shut down and the GICs get removed, there is still the dark net.

>>8411413
Yeah I know and let's hope we don't need to go that route in the first place

>>8411393
Marriage contracts (and the legal rights and benefits coming with them) vary depending on the country you're in.

>>8411411
No I get it, it's hard to convey your views to the LGBT community because they shut everything down you say and your slandered a close minded bigot.

As you could imagine my views aren't popular among them either, and even my bf wanted to get married and I just flat out told him no. I don't use other social media because my opinions only bring in hate.... HOW DARE I NOT CONFORM TO THE HIVE MIND. The simple fact is I'm gay I don't know why and I don't care why, but I also realise that my "demographic" is a small portion of the population, as long as they're content to let me do my thing I don't care what societal pillars exist to protect it.

>>8411389
>Marriage is religious institution

>>8411402
>Marriage is special

No, idiots, it's really just a legal contract that is the issue here

Like I said before, gay people could already have the religious marriage *ceremony* for themselves regardless of the law on marriage *contracts*, that's freedom of religion

>>8411437
>cite examples

>>8411450
Well, here in Canada for example, marriage equality guaranteed you the right to visit your spouse in hospital or prison, to secure your inheritance if your spouse passes away, and of course the tax benefits of marriage.

>>8411449
Marriage is a religious institution, marriage is also a civil contract between a man and a woman.

Key words man and woman, what do you want to be married anyway, it changes literally nothing. Doesn't change your relationship with your partner nor anything else.

>>8411466
>Marriage is a religious institution
No it's not. You don't need the involvement of any religious organization for your marriage contract.

>it changes literally nothing
Yes it does, moron. I just outlined some of the rights and benefits related.

>>8411458
>visit your spouse in hospital or prison,
You can usually visit anybody you like in prison anyway nothing really changed, just make sure to arrive on visitation days
>to secure your inheritance if your spouse passes away,
Write a fucking will, if you haven't already you should
>Tax benefits of marriage.
Are usually negligible, but this is a somewhat valid point

>>8411486
What about the hospital visits?

What about the people who die unexpectedly and die young? Getting shot for example? You know they haven't got wills 99% of the time.

>>8411212
he's saying we should keep them as slaves

>>8411490
Hospital visits.. i have never seen or heard of somebody being told they can't visit somebody in hospital.

Young people, should get a fucking will. It's not that hard. Even married couples should have a fucking will. Everybody should have a fucking will.
As soon as I became an adult and no longer a dependant of my parents, I registered to vote and wrote a will. It's not that hard. And whenever something in my life changes I update it.

>>8411252
the DUP believe being gay is worse than being a pedo for fuck's sake
why are both sides of this arguement so anally obsessed with gay marriage? this is a much broader problem than that

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>>8411502
>Hospital visits.. i have never seen or heard of somebody being told they can't visit somebody in hospital.
for shits sakes... do your homework then. yes visiting is an issue. not to mention the spouse can make important medical decisions if the patient is unconscious.

>>8411247
No, you just elect actual terrorists. But God forbid someone should believe in Biblical marriage!

>>8411523
That said any and all of your points can be resolved with legal contracts; the only contract necessary with the state is over tax benefits, which are negligible.
I don't see the need for gay "marriage" it's something straight people do, I'm happy living my bohemian lifestyle without the unnecessary shit.
If a civil contract can solve your minor issues away so be it, just don't call it marriage because it's not.

>>8411509
I don't think it's that... I just think they recognise that 3% of the general population is gay, yet 30% of paedophiles are homosexual. It is concerning, desu. Honestly if I pretend I'm 15 I'll get so much more attention than if I be honest like I almost always am with my age (I'm 18; lied out of curiosity). They're sceptical, and I can understand why. A very small percentage of the population is transgendered... I don't think we can allow the intersectionalists to deconstruct gender like they're trying to do.

>>8411523
>not to mention the spouse can make important medical decisions if the patient is unconscious.
What is civil partnership.

>>8411546
It is marriage. There is no logical reason not to allow two men or two women to be married, and so today, in civilized countries, they are allowed.

>>8411576
>What is civil partnership
It is separate and not equal. It is also fairly ridiculous. It's literally just "marriage but we're not calling it marriage or letting gay people have the same basic rights like deciding whether to put a spouse on life support, because gay is icky and god says so lol"

>>8411586
Marriage is between a man and a woman... it's not fucking hard to comprehend. I honestly don't know what else to say. Faggots trying to redefine an institution that is at least 2000 years old, for their minuscule gripes is stupid.

>>8411586
>or letting gay people have the same basic rights like deciding whether to put a spouse on life support,
Literally the point of civil partnerships.

>>8411613
>Marriage is between a man and a woman...
Marriage is a contract entered into between two consenting adults (normlly ones who are sexually involved and monogamous).

There is no need to restrict the contrac to heterosexual couples and encourage homosexuals to pursue promiscuous lifestyles.

>an institution that is at least 2000 years old
The "institution" you speak of never really existed at all but the concept of marriage (socially, legally and yes religiously) is far older than that

>>8411616
Wrong. Civil partnerships in almost all countries that implemented them lacked the same legal rights and benefits marriage carries.

The main reason gay marriage is an issue is that religious people tend not to be very intelligent, and cannot understand the distinction between their religious traditions relating to marriage and the legal marriage contract.

>>8411631
I see, you're not a Brit and want to spout your irrelevant and ignorant opinion without any knowledge of British politics.

>>8411767
Why do brits always have this weird aura of self-importance?

>>8411767
We were talking about gay marriage. It's very relevant outside the UK. Also, I am Canadian and a loyal subject of Her Majesty.

>>8411784
It's not self-importance to say STFU when you are entirely ignorant of British politics but still think you know it better than the people who live there.

>>8411809
Same to you.

>>8411836
We weren't talking about anything specific to British politics though. It's 4chan, the thread evolved.

>>8411679
Pro-tip: Google "Americanism", what your describing is a heresy.

>>8411848
I made the mistake of thinking a thread about UK politics was about UK politics.

>>8411888
Yes you did. Never forget where you are.

>>8411631
>implying most homosexuals that get married will be monogamous. Who needs open relationships when you can have open marriages?! Yay, so progressive! :D

>>8411993
>muh stereotypes!
By this logic, we shouldn't let straight people have marriage contracts either, they all just get divorced anyway, fuck it

Why there are so many uncle toms here? Or is it just falseflagging?

>>8411343
>Gay people are 3% of the population but are 30% of the paedophile population
Lol you just outed yourself as a retard who reads stuff without thinking critically or entertaining other views.

Let me tell you why. 30% of pedophiles have assaulted male children, yes, sure.

The retarded brain you have jumps to the conclusion that these pedophiles are "gay" the same way a faggot who sucks a man's dick at a bathhouse is "gay", or the same way a faggot who gets married is "gay".

In a study of 175 pedophiles, 13% were found to be attracted to both adult men and adult women, bisexuals. NONE of them were found to be exclusively gay for adult men.

Soooo you're pretty much wrong and just overall stupid. The fact that you post this 20 year old myth should chime you in that all of your opinions are wrong and stupid, to be honest.

>>8411466
What does it to you if gay people can legally get married and be defined as such under the law? It has no tangible effect on you so you're literally just getting buttmad over a word and it's definition.

If you believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman then good for you, but don't shove your beliefs down other people's throats and try to limit their rights because of it.

>>8412207
>you're literally just getting buttmad over a word and it's definition.
So are you or you'd be okay without calling it marriage.

>>8412207
You're the ones who changed things from how it was.

I would rather not be able to get married than live in airstrip one

>>8412046
>In a study of 175 pedophiles, 13% were found to be attracted to both adult men and adult women, bisexuals. NONE of them were found to be exclusively gay for adult men.
Of course none of them were found to be exclusively gay for ADULT MEN. Paedophiles are attracted to CHILDREN.

>>8412009
But gay marriage wasn't a thing until you made it a thing... and come on, we both know gays are a LOT more promiscuous! I agree, heterosexual divorce rates are too high. It's a problem.

>>8411389
>Ancient Rome
>most liberal society in history
what
>it was torn down by rampant feminism
this post is yet more proof that feminists should drop homosexuals and start attacking them like the traditionalists cunts they really are

>>8411499
Source?

>>8411389
Where does /pol/ get any of it's ideas of Ancient Rome from? I'm always completely befuddled, because they definitely aren't from first-hand counts or actual historians.

>>8412472
Trannies should fucking form their own movement. It's an alphabet soup now... LGBTQAP+ etc.

like, ew, no.

>>8412472
Traditionalism > Neo-Marxist Post-Modernism

>>8412785
Faggots should be grateful we let them have containment threads here.

>>8412785
Trannies, drag queens et consortes are the reason you're not jailed for having bumsex.

>>8409959
Anything is better than socialism, though.
inb4 being against gay-marriage is the end of the world

>>8412908
It's not just about marriage you dumbass

>>8412900
We should have stopped at the decriminalisation of sodomy.

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>get overrun by mussies, be under sharia, and watch more people die
>vote conservative who probably won't have enough time to deal with faggots because of the reds and mussies currently in the country
this is a hard decision lads

>>8411471
>wanting to form an explicitly Christian/Abrahamic spiritual contract with God despite not meeting eligibility criteria or even believing in the religion
>not just entering into an equivalent civil contract

Are you the same guys who demand Synagogues organise non-Jewish Bar Mitzvahs? Just wrap the presents yourself you antisemites.

>>8409959
Because socialism literally never works, but people keep trying anyway.

(inb4 muh scandivanian utopia, they're not socialist)

>>8415248
>If you don't vote like me it's because you hate yourself

Huffpo-tier logic there m8

if you are gay, now is the time to plan for the future and focus on finding a firearm for protection. nazi surge is coming as natural reaction to the islamism. it will get rough

>>8412900
Oh? I didn't realize that trannies we're behind Lawrence v Texas.

>>8409959
So they have the same stance as the GoP. How scary!

>>8415856
>DUP
>nazis
How are leftists this stupid?

>>8415839
If you vote for people who call you worse than a paedophile you're mentally retarded.
>>8415666
Civil marriage is a thing for at least century you absolute moron.
>>8415862
Read about stonewall riots.

>>8415836
They also don't work.

>>8411539
have you forgotten what board you're on retard?

>>>/pol/

>>8418975
>go back to /pol/ so you can get shat on by right-wing retards for being lgbt
>go back to /lgbt/ so you get can shat on by left-wing retards for being conservative
repeat

>>8418983
stop being a walking contradiction then you inbred.

get a load of this clown seriously.

>>8418995
>people from my pet minority are walking contradictions if they don't agree with my views on 100%
You're worse than the feminists who harass anti-feminist women.

>>8419006
>>people from my pet minority are walking contradictions if they don't agree with my views on 100%

You agree with an ideology that wants you dead, you're no better than the gay "Muslims" you retard, useful idiot.

if you were principled and not self loathing, perhaps you could be forgiven.

>>8419025
>You agree with an ideology that wants you dead,
You're thinking of left-wing LGBTs.

You know, the ones who want to import radical Islam.

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>>8411252
why are you being an apologist for them?
they hate you to the very bone based on rumor and stereotypes, they are not worth placating.

>>8419071
>they hate you to the very bone based on rumor and stereotypes, they are not worth placating.
That's the Muslims and the leftists defend them. Fair to side with their enemies and punish them in turn.

>>8419032
>You're thinking of left-wing LGBTs.

Oh so Nazi LGBTS are fine? /pol/ literally wants you gassed. shut up you idiot. how can you be this clueless?

the only reasonable position is slightly to the left, or the right, or centrist.

>>8419107
In case you haven't noticed, /pol/ doesn't run countries (unless you count said Muslims). The leftists who want those Muslims coming here and killing us though? Very real indeed.

But apparently you want that. Why are you so unprincipled and self-loathing?

>>8419132
>The leftists who want those Muslims coming here and killing us though?

who said i was a leftist?

i'm saying you're equally retarded, as is evident from your troll posting.

>>8419137
>Not leftist
> Actually thinks pol wants you gassed
Pick one

>>8419137
>who said i was a leftist?
Your posting quality.

>>8415900
>Civil marriage is a thing for at least century you absolute moron.
What?

>>8419178
It's not exclusively religious thing for over a century. Religion doesn't matter

>>8411289
>raised under a mother and father, ideally married

Fucking KEK

Regardless of if you think children need a father and mother for a functional upbringing, the idea that the mother and father being married makes any difference is absolutely fucking hilarious. You have been well and truly indoctrinated, haven't you citizen?

btw, pick up that can

>>8411289
>Why does it have to be called "marriage", anyway? They could have just enhanced civil partnerships.

Why shouldn't it be?

>Ah, yes... let's ban reparative therapy for gay men who want to try it, but give hormone blockers to children and hormones to teenagers, that'll work out great! Kids know best!

"Reparative therapy" for sexuality and gender identity has been proven time and time again to not only be ineffective, but to also be incredibly psychologically damaging. I don't have a problem if a gay man wants to do it himself, but it should definitely be illegal to force anyone into it, and that includes bible thumper parents.

Early transition has been proven to massively improve the quality of life for trans people to cis levels.

http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

>>8415666
>abrahamic religions are the only ones with marriage

Even if that were true, why should it be impossible for new versions of marriage to be created?

>>8419107
>/pol/ literally wants you gassed.

Haha holy shit someone actually believes this

>>8411247
Ahem, Unionists. I voted Sinn Fein

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>>8409959
You know that the Russians hacked this election too, right?

>>8409959
Wow, this will suck for all 6 gays that get married

>>8419818
>the idea that the mother and father being married makes any difference is absolutely fucking hilarious. You have been well and truly indoctrinated, haven't you citizen?
There's a reason the nigger community is so fucking awful in the US and it is directly tied to the fact that 72% of US niggers are born out of wedlock. When you have a kid with someone that you're not hitched to then it's much easier to leave when things go South, meaning the rate of fatherlessness for children increases tenfold for unmarried couples who conceive compared to children born to married people.

Marriage is important for child-rearing and you're lying to yourself if you don't see that.

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>>8411252
related

>>8415836
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Scandinavia exists.

>>8412908
this

>>8415839
Huffpo is a lot better than the garbage logic on this site. Anyone with half a brain can see that. And that's not saying much,

>>8415856
>nazi surge
literally antifa

>>8420517
Anon mentioned Scandinavia, turd.

>>8419006
>don't agree with my views on 100%
It's not about agreeing 100% you fucking retard. It's one issue that's pretty important to gay people that you happen to disagree with. Not every issue has the same importance to most people. A party comparing gays to pedophiles and trying to remove the right to marry would obviously matter to most gays with some sense.

And wow poor anti-feminists women. Who will defend them? ;(

>>8420497

You can't even formulate a coherent fucking argument. You say marriage is important because it prevents fathers from leaving (and therefore ensures children are brought up with a mother and father), but for the purpose of this discussion we've already assumed that the mother and father are both present:

>The best environment for a child to be raised in is under a mother and father, ideally married

So, you actually can't give any reason why, assuming that mother and father are both present, it's better for them to be married. Good to know. Christ, it must be utter confusion and turmoil inside your fucking head.

>>8419032
The left standing up for Muslims doesn't mean they stand up for everything they believe in. That would be like saying equality for the left means treating criminals the same as an innocent person. It clearly doesn't mean this and you would intuitively know this if you weren't retarded.

>>8419918
No sorry /pol/ would love gay people to be gassed. Don't be this fucking deluded.

>>8415856
You know Nazis (the real ones, not the normal people you disagree with) were pro-Islam, right? You should probably get a firearm to use on yourself desu.

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>>8420509
bless that image.

>>8420517
are you unironically retarded?

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>>8420569
>he doesn't know /pol/ is satire