/HRTGen/ HRT General 036: Estrogen makes my sweat smell nice

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I saw my Endrinocologist today.

She couldn't answer the question I had for her.

>Can I take Raloxifene with Cyproterone?

I see everyone mentioning to take it with Bica, but no one says anything about Raloxifene with Cypro or Spiro.

>>8375602
I couldn't see any reason why not.

>>8375602
Cypro has a progestin effect and kills your dick? why would you take it if you dont want to go full tranny?

>>8375614
Well not that person but you don't really need your dick if you just always bottom lol

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>>8375612
I don't know why not either, but there's probably a reason for "Why for" right? It's only ever mentioned with Bica and I don't know why.

>>8375614
>Progestin effect
Isn't this also good for males?
>Kills your dick
I'm fine with this and very much desire it.

>>8375617
>don't really need your dick if you just always bottom

Accurate.

I'm an aspiring femboy, and you could scream and ree' that I'm Trans if you want, but I want full feminization but I really don't want breasts.
If I wind up with breasts and look like a hon, there's no real going back from that everyday shame.
If I don't have breasts and eventually do go full trans mode, at least I can just switch from Raloxifene to Estrofem and grow breasts, but my feminization would've been a thing at least.

But again I don't know if you can take Raloxifene with Cyproterone.

I'm on Cypro+Estrofem+Dutasteride right now, but I'm developing Tanner Stage 2 and I want off this before it turns into boobs.

>>8375644
>It's only ever mentioned with Bica
Because it's mainly used by femboys who want to maintain dick function..

> at least I can just switch from Raloxifene to Estrofem and grow breasts
Maybe, maybe not, will you be fine if you can never grow your own later though if ralox takes away all your chances?

>>8375644
It shouldn't have any negative reactions with cypro, it should be just fine. Ralox is sometimes also combined with estradiol in many studies, but it should be okay on its own for the most part, but if you notice things like brain fog it's best to add small dosages of estradiol.
But as >>8375652 said I think the main concern is it's not really known whether you'd be able to grow breasts perfectly fine after long usage of ralox.

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>>8375652
>Maybe, maybe not, will you be fine if you can never grow your own later though if ralox takes away all your chances?

Yes. I've never liked breasts, and even when I look inside myself and question if I'm Trans, I still come to not wanting breasts. From the hassle, to the aesthetic, to the very idea. My Endrino doesn't seem capable of understanding this though.

Because of how "it isn't very well documented", she "Doesn't feel comfortable using me as an experiment"

>>8375662
>Combined with Estradiol
This is another major question I have, but it seems she's incapable of answering these (And she's an Endrino...)
Because I am retarded; How much is 60mg of Raloxifene, to the equivalent of in regards to Estradiol doses? (Estrofem or Otherwise)

i.e, 60mg of Raloxifene = 2mg of Estradiol? Or... ... !?

Just so I can get an understanding of what doses I should be on.

Last time I took Estradiol with Raloxifene I had a pretty nasty side effect, but I think it was because of the Progynova itself, not so much the mixing of Ralox+Estrogen because I've heard this numerous times before.

I've asked numerous times in this general but never received an answer, perhaps I was simply wording it wrong, but now I have my answer regarding Raloxifene. (I was unsure if it 'dumped' estrogen or just redirected existing estrogen; The answer is it dumps its own as well if it's safe to take with cypro alone)

And I can't thank youse enough for answering this. My Endrino was my last choice because each time I asked this stuff I was ignored, and now I've been answered where in a "Specialist" could not even give me an answer because of whatever reasons. (Moral?)

>>8375676
Thing with SERMS is their dosage can't be compared to estradiol except at equivalent dosages on a per organ basis.
The reason some studies added estradiol in combination with tamoxifen is to assist in boosting estrogen receptor activity in organs other than the bone, which tamoxifene targets exceptionally well compared to estradiol. Nearly every SERM has amazing activity that's at or beyond estradiols which is why they're used for osteoporosis. At other organs it can be somewhat random.
Tamoxifen has an equal affinity to ER's as estradiol in the breast but over a 300% affinity compared to estradiol at the bone, and it's over 1.5x as active on bones as well.

But this article might help a bit:
https://breast-cancer-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/bcr3233
They were using around 20mg/day in combination with HRT and saw reductions in breast cancer risk. So you could perhaps start there.

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>>8375693
Do you think 50mg of Cyproterone and 60mg of Raloxifene is good?
I mean it's what I was using back when I was taking Bica and I didn't notice anything horrible at all.

I never experienced a 'brain fog' in the slightest, but I really am looking to maximize feminization at this point due to I'm 24, turning 25 now.

>Using 20mg/day in combination with HRT
Thing is that's breast cancer articles right? Feminization is the goal since I don't have breast cancer, also I still have my balls so unsure if that makes a difference.

Also being on 'HRT' makes me question *What were they on*?
Also Tamoxifen is 20mg, but I'm familiar with Raloxifene and unsure if I can get Tamoxifen here anyway.

I was thinking/hoping--
50mg Cypro (May need to split, will find out with next blood tests)
60mg Raloxifene
0.5 Dutasteride
And then if I get problems (Brain fog, apparently? Anything else?), 2mg of Estrofem.

>>8375717
>Taloxifen is 20mg

I mean, when I look around for Tamoxifen the highest I see is 20mg. Yet Raloxifene is 60mg as its natural dose.
Is Raloxifene stronger because of it being a higher dose? Or what

>>8375717
They add estradiol because serms don't target all your organs the same. If it has low activity in certain spots of your brain it can cause issues.
Also currently tamoxifen and raloxifene have been linked to early death in menopausal women so they use hrt in conjunction with serms in order to try and reduce dosages required.
>>8375724
They have different receptor activity thus different dosages.
I'm not sure what the full process is in how they chose dosages. All that info tends to come from early animal testing and such and it's probably not publicly published.

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>>8375750
>Early death in menopausal women so they use hrt in conjunction with serms in order to try and reduce dosages

Oh, shit. OK that makes a lot more sense.

I just really don't know what's wise because if you mix SERM and Estrogen's, you're going to gamble 'which wins' and breast development can occur if Estradiol is 'winning' since the Raloxifene isn't binding strong enough, I'm guessing in such a case you'd need to lower the Estradiol and up the Raloxifene.

With that in mind I'm going to now be guessing 2mg Estrofem and 30mg Raloxifene. I know Estrofem can go as high as 6mg but I'm not looking for boobs so it's probably best Estrofem be kept on the lower end anyway.

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>>8375602
>>8375644

Also I'd like to state that I'm an Anon from last thread regarding hair loss issues. It's always been said around here and Trans-forums about how hair loss is a thing on HRT because you're ejecting bad hairs and fresh ones regrow.

The endocrinologist said this is not a very common thing at all and is unusual so she doesn't think my hair loss is due to HRT because it's a very rare thing.

Is my Endo retarded?

is 100mg spiro and 2mg progy low dose?

>>8375816
Good starter. Move up to 4mg in a month if you want.
If desperate, 6mg another but you should probably check your hormonal levels before moving to 6mg.

Don't move off 100mg spiro until a blood test, and even then you'll just go to 150mg if your T is a little high.

>>8375830
its been a month, not sure if it was best to wait until I can get a blood test to see what to up and by how much

If I'm starting to look younger is that a good sign HRT is working? I get carded all the time now, my skin is softer also

>>8375836
You're certainly welcome to bump it up. 2mg is low, 4mg is average, 6mg is higher.
You wont go over any limits on 4mg unless you have high estrogen count as is (and if you have balls it's unlikely)

>>8375838
Yes.

Is there a problem with only taking small doses of estrogen I'm currently on 2mg per day of progynova was previously on 1mg and last month when I saw endo she increased it to current 2 mg but I won't see her again until october. :/

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>still no update on tracker
does it matter if i send them a PDF or a PNG of the firstorder signing?

27/5'6/140lbs/neet here

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I don't know if this is the right place to ask but is the difference between psychologists, therapists, counselors, etc, large enough that I should be looking for one over the other? Is one more likely to try to "cure" me? Which one is my best bet for getting on hormones? I'm so confused

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>>8376138
The most common route is just going to a General Practicioner (Your common doctor) and ask for a referral to a Psychologist, where you then might further be referred to a specialized gender psychologist if your country has one.
At that point you go through a lengthy process of them basically trying to magnify you and see what issue you have; If it's gender dysphoria or otherwise.

Counsellers usually help with minor stuff, like a therapist.
And a therapist tries to help you in solving your problems (like anxiety)

Where as psychology will address your issue, identify it, label it-- And thus, title you "Gender Dysphoric" and then you can get started on medications.

The process is lengthy, depending on where you are it can be usually 6 months. Your best bet is to self medicate and try chase down a psychologist and get diagnosed, because every day you aren't taking a hormone pill, that's everyday you're going to hate yourself more and more for not taking steps to becoming what you want.
And when you get to the end of the psychologist review (6 months usually), they can just say you have a different problem, and that can shatter you.

I was told I had Sociophobia when I was 16, and it was left at that, I convinced myself I'll always be male. Now I'm 24 and finally coming to terms I have gender dysphoria, and now I hate myself for not pursuing it when I hit 18 again because at that age is when most countries let you take HRT without a fancy card to wave around saying you're allowed to take them (You're recognized as an adult so you get to do whatever you want)

Don't leave it Anon, get on it ASAP. Self medicate for now, and seek out a Psychologist at the same time-- When you get diagnosed as having gender dysphoria (or whatever issue you have), then the difference just becomes that you're no longer ordering the medications online but getting them locally which is a burden off your mind since you'll have them in your hands there and then.

>>8376029
1mg is worthless, and 2mg is a low dose. It sounds like your endo is memeing you. Can you maybe see a gp and get a script for 4mg?

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>>8376036
well 420days of pills just shipped.
now feeling i only wanted theese for selffish reason and that someone that wanted to truely be a female needed them more. i just wanted big tits.
tldr; i got what i wanted but it does not feel rewarding.

I just received a jar of 500 grams of crunchy peanut butter, but I forgot I was on spiro when I ordered it.

Can I eat PB when on spiro or does it have too much potassium?

So question, my gf has been talking about potentially being interested in taking SARMs but I really want to make sure she has all the information/resources on it possible just so she can really know whether or not they're right for her, as I don't want her to end up making a mistake. Does anyone here have info regarding SARMs? Anytime we tried to google it we just got a bunch of websites for dudebros trying to get swole.

>>8376777
>Ralo
Read the beginning of this thread

>>8376763
I've been gorging myself on bananas and peanut butter and anything high in potassium in the hopes that it would raise my potassium levels high enough that my doc would stop prescribing me spiro and switch me to bica, but after a month of this (and 100mg spiro) it only raised my potassium level 2%, still well within safe range. Time to give up and accept defeat, I guess.

>>8376783
The guide in the OP is only AMAB people trying to be more feminine and doesn't contain any info on SARMs. My gf is AFAB and trying to be a bit more masculine/muscular.

About raloxifene, how are you supposed to take it?

I'm planning on taking spiro+ralo

Will this feminize my body or will I need to take estrogen as well? I don't want to grow boobs before I finish college and get my own house. I'm only 20 and don't want to start transitioning at 24, I want to star as soon as possible


Later on when I drop ralo, is it known if it prevents breast growth permanently?

>>8376786
I'm not talking about the OP, I'm talking about people actually discussing ralo and talo

>>8376785
That sounds like a plan. Thank god I will still be able to eat PB!

Where do you buy yours? I like the prozis brand.

>>8376790
By ralo and talo you mean raloxifene and tamoxifen right? Those are SERMs not SARMs, basically the opposite of what she's considering getting on.

>>8376795
I buy the cheapest peanut butter I can find because thats how I survived when I was homeless. Anything over 11cents/oz is too expensive and I refuse to buy(even though I can very easily afford it now.) Also I have this compulsion where I save all of my empty peanut butter jars, so that if times get tough I can scrape them out with a spatula for the last bit of peanut butter, and then use the emptyjars for some doomsday-scenario storage system. When my roommate found my stash of empty jars last week she made me throw them out and we filled 2 1/2 trash bags full from the last 6 months of peanut butter :[

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If I take biccalcumide, estrogen and progesterone will anything bad happen I want to revive my dead libido progesterone worked for a bit I should say I've been on Cypro for a year would biccalcumide even be worth it I'm scared I'd lose the feminization that I already have and I'm thinking if I learn how to be a better butt slut my orgadms will be fine at the same time I used to produce precum which I loved but hated cum weird I know. So is biccalcumide worth it fora femboi like me.

>>8376848
Try it and tell us. There would be no trails without pioneers.

>>8376787
>Is it known if it prevents breast growth permanently?
Known? No. A gamble? Yes.

You could always buy a binder.

>>8376864

>You could always buy a binder.

Don't binders deform breasts especially when they're growing?

>taking hrt for around a year, lupron, estogen, dutasteride
>testosterone as low as could be, everything is good
>hate getting shots though
>decide to give cypro a try, order some from inhouse pharmacy
>first batch works fine, testosterone stays low
>order another batch
>suddenly more erections, more male feeling sex drive
>get my blood test, estrogen is down,testosterone is up
>second batch of cyproterone was all fake
>go back to taking lupron but now my testosterone is still higher during the first and last week of my monthly shot, probably my body just needs to adjust again but I'm heavily considering asking my endo to up my lupron to keep my testosterone down
>hate myself and want to fucking die for having significant testosterone in my body again after like a year and a half of being free from its evils

Fuck inhouse pharmacy. Be careful when y'all are self-medding.

Is the g in progynova soft or hard?

>>8376921
This is why you dont order from indian storehouses

>>8376886
Yes they certainly can. but with Raloxifene you may not get breast growth at all.

>>8376981
I know, that's why I'm telling my story, to warn people to go legit if at all possible and to always take blood-tests.

>>8376921
>>8377005
How long were you on Cypro for?
If you're on it for a month it wont damage anything or whatever.

>>8377065
Awhile. I'm not complaining about any type of damage, I'm complaining about wasting money on fake pills.

How is male and female facial fat placement different?

Will I have to use minoxidil to regrow my hairline, I have a U shape, Im on HRT+ fin atm I don't really want to use minoxidil but if I have to I will

>>8377264
I regained all my hair back with just hrt and dutasteride, but YMMV.

Do most people save for surgeries or just get loans?

>>8375793
Even at a standard dosage of tamoxifen or ralox it's like sending 15-20mg of E to your bones a day. In studies they use really low dosages of estradiol, like 0.5mg or less. I think they tend to use premarin because it's easier to get lower dosages.
SERMs for sure are going to cause instant bone fusing since it's basically like megadosing E on your bones. I have no idea what it would do at other organs. It tends to have pretty sporadic binding in the brain but pretty high binding on blood vessels compared to E hence the toxicity of it.
But yes it's a gamble at your breasts but the thing with SERMs is they're for cancer. The meds themselves have some toxicity issues but you either die by the meds or die by cancer.

Your doctor would be correct that what you're doing is pretty experimental though. We do know some of the effects of extremely high estrogen on younger people though. It effectively fuses bones and stops any further growth.

>>8377532
>It's like sending 15-50mg of E into your bones a day
This is pretty drastic indeed.

>SERM's for sure are going to cause instant bone fusing--
>In younger people though
>... It effectively fuses bones and stops any further growth

So basically you'd get complications if you took SERM's before age 25? (When your bones stop developing. Or was it 18 that bones stop then?)

>>8377532
You're the first person I've ever seen mention this. That's terrible. So the choice is between stopping breast growth or having hip growth?

HRT is so complicated, there's never a silver bullet...

>>8378549
I believe the final stages of bone fusion happens in late 20's for the most part. The bulk should be done by mid-20's.
Females bones fuse earlier since estrogen causes bone fusion.
Here's kind of an example of drastic estrogen therapy to purposefully fuse bones:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Treatment

You would expect pretty similar from most SERMs. Even phytoestrogens target bones at like 120-150% the binding affinity compared to estradiol and most have transcriptase activities around equivalent to up to 2x as high as estradiol.
Tamoxifen has 350% binding affinity and around 150-200% activity compared to estradiol at bones.
But the thing is you're not gauging dosage based on skeletal activity, you're basing it off breast activity. Typically ralox and tamoxifen have close to the same binding affinity as estradiol, and of course very low transcriptase activity (hence their antiestrogenic activity at the breast level)

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What kind of progesterone is the best medroxyprogesterone or bioequivalent progesterone?

Also should it be taken to mimic periods or continuously?

>>8378566
>disabled people can be involuntarily given an altered puberty
>trans kids are denied it when they're desperate for it if their parents and/or doctors oppose it

>>8378874
ahhh shit, my mom's friend has a mentally disabled daughter and they had that done to her because she was growing fast but also getting violent so now shes like this tiny shrunken rage ball as they fused her bones and stopped her growth so she wouldn't kill them

fucked up

>>8378881
>fucked up
tbf that's mentally disabled people from the start, however they're treated.

didn't know it was done in more than that one case though.

i'm on spyro should i stop eating omelette everyday? that's like 117 mg of potassium

>>8376921
was it Procur that you ordered? I just got mine and I don't want to waste my time if it won't be effective..

>>8376848
I'm on bica, progesterone, estrogen and fin for over a month now (cypro and bica without progesterone the month before), everything is going well, I also judge by my body odor for when hormones are failing btw, and the last month it's been a weak feminine smell only.
The male odor only returned when I tried to switch cypro to bica instantly, didn't work so I went back on cypro the 3rd day and kept overlapping bica+cypro for a month before cutting cypro completely (and starting progesterone in it's place).
I did it for the same reasons btw, trying to revive the dick, and it seems to be working, I'm not really producing any more semen I think but erections are a lot easier.

>>8376787
Just own the boobs instead, you'll love them, and you'll probably hate yourself if ralox fuck you over..

>>8379638
>trying to revive the dick, and it seems to be working, I'm not really producing any more semen I think but erections are a lot easier.
Thanks for the heads up, sounds like dick revival from cypro to bica is anecdotally possible.

>>8379638
Awesome thanks for the reply anon My biggest fear was losing the hair on my head I've grown back and my hips going back I realized how retarded that is since bones don't revert lol. I'm going to give it a shot do you also take about 50mgs of biccalcumide each day? Also pretty stoked about reviving my duck a bunch of guys I hooked up with were upset they couldn't make me precum like they used too lol. But being on Cypro has been amazing so I hope biccalcumide is the same.

>>8375812
you have to distinguish between shedding and regrowth and increased hair loss
if you have doubts about competence then try to consult another endo

>>8377264
minoxidil is unreliable

From what I hear, it's not unrealistic to perform HRT using nothing but sheer power of will, with the correct mental training.

Anyone here tried anything of the sort or know anything more about it?

>>8380507
do you want the free to play way or pay to win route using pills, anon?

I never heard such things before.

>>8378858
bioidentical
Progesterone suppresses estrogen, take it
day 1: 100mg
day 2-11: 200mg
day 12: 100mg
day 13-28: None

It's generally taken vaginally so take it rectally or sublingually

My doctor wants me off cypro cause I had a seizure but it's the only AA that doesn't make me feel like I'm dying.

Life doesn't want me to transition.

>>8380366
Bicalutamide 50mg a day, Finasteride 1,25mg every other day, Estradiol Valerate 8mg a day and Prometrium 100mg a day is what I'm on, all from qhi..
I think if you're losing hair on any of these drugs it's going to be a bad reaction to one of them rather mpb, or shedding if you're just starting out hrt.

>>8380596
I went with stable dose of 100mg a day rectally instead, I felt like absolute shit when the days of came so fuck that.
I don't want to spend half of every month with boob reduction, bad mood, bad sleep and loss of my awesome vivid dreams lol.

>>8380992
For using Prometrium rectally do just stick it up there and leave it?

>>8381064
Pretty much, can also squeeze the sphincter a few times to make sure it gets deeper, laying on your left is common with suppositories but I don't always do it, and of course don't poop right after.
I usually take them when going to bed anyway.

Tell me about Bicalutamide. What will it do to me?
I turned 23 recently. I'm not trans. I never want to be sterile. I like being strong. Fat redistribution doesn't sound bad.
I just crave girly soft skin with no body hair. If it makes me MUCH more feminine that's a-okay.

>>8381209
Bicalutamide will give you what you want. It will eliminate body hair (After 6 months to 2 years) and give you softer skin.

With no estrogen or raloxifene it'll end there though.

>>8380660
leuprolide acetate

>>8381350
Can't find a lot of info on Raloxifene
>Raloxifene is not recommended for use in men
Does it make mtf sterile?

There was some scary stuff on wikipedia about Bicalutamide but it was on this ridiculous trial of 150mg/day instead of 25mg.

>>8381402
Raloxifene you wont find 'scientific' information outside of breast cancer
Bica is the same, but prostate cancer.

See this thread about bone fusion with raloxifene and stuff so be careful.

I don't remember which, but Bica might only make you temporarily sterile so you just stop it for a month to get semen back. Unless I mistake for a different med.

Considering what you want it's probably best to just stick with 25mg of Bica. Going any higher will eliminate your T and you wont have a good lifespan without many issues if you don't counter that with E as well.

>>8374977
can someone explain how important it is to get your blood tested for self medding

>>8381529
Well considering if you aren't getting enough E, your bones can slowly fade through osteoporosis. And pills can cause liver damage which can easily kill you or majorly fuck you up if it's serious. Even if you can only do tests every 6 months it's better than not at all.

>>8380992
>I don't want to spend half of every month with boob reduction, bad mood, bad sleep and loss of my awesome vivid dreams lol.
Progesterone did that?

>>8380660
if you can afford it >>8381360
medroxyprogesterone-acetate (Depo-Provera) shots once a month at the standard 150mg/shot should kill your T.

>>8381655
Those are the things I noticed when starting it, and lack of when I tried to stop for the last half of the month.
Felt so much better to get back on it so now I'm staying on it..

>>8381658
Just saying, a 2 month leuprolide acetate shot in the US is only 130 bucks.
Not the brand name Lupron.

>>8381766
That's a good price, but my drug insurance only covers 30% of it's price. On the other hand I get 3 months of the generic Depo-Provera shots for my $5 copay. Otherwise the generic Depo-Proveras go or around $50 per shot.

Can I get away with taking a picture for the QHI idemnity form? My scanner is broken i think..

>>8381877
Get the app CamScanner..

>>8381877
It would be surprising if they didn't. I took a pic of my drivers license and birth certificate when getting my passport and they accepted it.

>>8380596
If it supress estrogen should I stop taking it when I take the progesterone?

>>8381360
>>8381658
Will definitely do more research on these two, thank yall

My endo offered me injections instead of pills, what are the advantages?

Why is the Bicalutamide from QHI 1/5th the price of that from inhousepharmacy? Is that where everyone is ordering theirs from?

>>8381882
Omg thank you
You saved my butt

I have a blood test tomorrow to check my levels.

What's the most accurate way to get a proper reading?

I heard you shouldn't eat 8 hours before the blood test. But I have the test at like 10AM, but I always take my medications at 6AM and them being 'fresh' in my system could throw things off.

Should I take my medications at 2AM as well?

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>>8382855
I'd like to know about this, too.

>>8382855
Different brands? Ones generic one is brand-name maybe?

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>>8384978
Is there a difference between the two?

>want to look like girl
>too much of a purist and too cowardly to take HRT
It's actually realistic though that I could control my hormonal balance just by thinking about it.
Wouldn't be the first physical attribute of myself that I've tampered with like that.

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>>8385331
Have fun with that then, no need for this thread. Enjoy your 'feminization'

I'm getting a lot of anxiety around going on HRT (self-med)
Did anyone else get that? Did it fade once you got on it? Are the risks big?

>>8385253
I don't think so, maybe the generic is lower quality.

>>8385253
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/resourcesforyou/consumers/buyingusingmedicinesafely/understandinggenericdrugs/ucm167991.htm

>>8382492
Less health risks and way more effective for most people because your estradiol won't convert into shitty estrone or something like that

>>8381529
So you can see how much E you need and adjust your dosages

>>8385779
>Anxiety around HRT (Self-med)
You can get anxiety from HRT in general even with Doctor backing. It's a big step.
>Did anyone else get that?
Yes, of course. Don't ask rhetoricals.
>Did it fade once on it?
Depends on the person. Some wind up living happy lives because the very essence of popping a pill is a cure to their dysphoria. For people like me, until I can pass (Never), it will never be fixed.
>Are the risks big?
In most countries only if you order 3+ Months supply worth, it can be considered drug smuggling.
So keep under 3 months.

>>8384978
So, Asset Chemist also has generic and brand name (Casodex) Bicalutamide available. I don't want to deal with QHI's weird paperwork requirements.

Has anyone ordered from Asset Chemist before? It's in the OP, but requires a prescription and doesn't list any HRT meds on their strange online-doctor service.

will hrt help diminish my prominent brow and giant nose at all?

>>8385872
Surgery will

>>8385895
but i don't have $40k, anon

>>8385915
Nose and brow alone won't run you $40k. Maybe 20k or so at most, you don't need full FFS to have those done. You can get a regular nose job from a professional surgeon on its own and look into someone to do a brow shave also.

>>8385935
well, i guess that's good to know. thanks.

>>8376787
it wont. i know guys whose gyno progressed even on ralox/tamox

>>8385872
Only if you are pre- or early puberty. If you are under 22, it might stop it from getting slightly worse.

My boobs are shrinking D:

I'm 6 months in, I was taking 100 mg Spiro and 2mg estradiol once a day for the first 3 months, then double those doses for the past three months.

Three weeks ago I was starting to get nice hand-fulls, now my chest is practically flat >:(

I know that this is probably normal and things fluctuate. But I also know I should probably get on a different kind of estrogen that makes boob growth better, but I'm not seeing my doctor for a while (I have a legit prescription). Is there anything I can do in the meantime to help them out?

I might be overreactong here but im a little worried about breast buds. how large are they supposed to be? mine a quite a bit bigger than I expected and that'd made me think there was something wrong but theyre still pretty much even so does that mean theyre normal? i.e. no unwanted growths

basically can someone tell me about their breast buds so I know not to be worried

>>8387196
Mine have gotten to clementine size before, if you're concerned though you might need to go to a doctor to find out

If I take cypro to reduce my T, if i have to switch to spiro will it still stay at low levels

For how long is it safe to take AA's without taking estrogen? I wanna be able to stop my testosterone before I finally make up my mind about transitioning all the way.

>>8387168
Have you been losing weight? Try eating more, especially carbs, oils, and proteins.

>>8389081
Maybe a year or two, for bone health. Lacking hormones entirely can also cause depression over much shorter time, but nothing permanent.

>>8388921
Spiro acts in a different manner, and switching may elevate levels while spiro kicks in. Also if you take too little spiro your levels won't be as low.

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*****ESTROFEM PROBLEMS PLS HALP****
(ASSUMING YOU ALL TAKE YOUR DOSES 12 HOURS APART...)

DO YOU GET YOUR LEVELS CHECKED RIGHT AFTER TAKING YOUR DOSE? OR DO YOU WAIT TO TAKE YOUR SECOND 12 HOUR DOSE AFTER YOU GET YOUR BLOOD DRAWN?

for example if i take my estrofem tonight at midnight and i plan on having my blood tested at around noon the next day would i take my noon dosage that day for the blood test....or would i wait until after the test since taking my dosage right before the draw could spike the levels super hard and give inaccurate results.

>TLDR:

When i wake up in the morning to get my blood taken, do i delay my morning dose until after the blood test?

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>>8389127
Here we go:
My doc (not an endocrinologist) told me to just take it normally
One anon here said to take it orally (swallow) the morning of the blood test.
I personally found data on serum estradiol after subligual administration and extrapolated.

Pic related is blood concentrations vs time after sublingual administration. Blue line is a 6 mg dose all at once, red line is three 2 mg doses spread at 8 hours apart. Note that the 3 dose line has 3 spikes, so a 2 dose routine would give two spikes 12 hours apart. The average blood serum level will be approximately equal to the level 3 hours after administration. Therefore you should aim to take it 3 hours before your blood is drawn. Since I get mine taken at the end of ~1 hour long appointments, I take it 2 hours before my appointment.

Does this make sense? Any comments, criticisms, or questions?

>>8389176
hmm...so three hours before getting tested. I can't really argue with this. What does your doctor and or endo say when they see your levels?

Do they ask anything about your dosage regimen? Also do you take 6mg or 4? I feel like 6 is too much but the again i'm still on the 2mg dose and need the bump up

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I've heard of the memery of Spiro making you crave salts, and thus the pickle juice meme.

Is this a specific effect from Spiro in itself? Or simply a blocking of AA or Estrogenic?

Salt was okay but I used to only eat a handful of salted crisps, now I buy some every other day because I have more enjoyment out of them, but don't crave them.

I'm on Cypro and Estrofem though.

Do antidepressants interfere or have interactions with anything? I'm on cypro and progy and about to start an antidepressant

>>8389361
I think it just has to do with the diarrhetic affects of spiro. You lose electrolytes in urine, and thus can crave salt. I've not noticed a huge increasing in salt cravings personally.

im a black Canadian Muslim man anyone want to be my gf(male).

>>8389300
>What does your doctor and or endo say when they see your levels?
Don't have an endo, my doc says I'm good (high end of female E range)
>Do they ask anything about your dosage regimen? Also do you take 6mg or 4? I take 4mg, except occasionally I supplement with 2mg estradiol valerate oral once in a while and never within a week before my blood test (I don't tell them about this)
>I feel like 6 is too much but the again i'm still on the 2mg dose and need the bump up
Yeah 4 mg is better for most, but as long as you are on only 2 I recommend taking it before bed because most fat growth happens during sleep.

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Why is it so much? Brit tranny life is hard.

hey /lgbt/ I'm on hrt for 1.5 months, and I feel my nipples getting stiffer i also feel a lump in them. One you can definitely feel the other just slightly. They also became very sensitive. There are no signs on the outside, and I don't feel any pain at all.
Is there a chance I'm developing breast cancer, or is this normal and part of hrt? Should I see a doc?
Please help I'm worried.

>>8390530
Normal, I h ave the same. Called breast buds. Do your research, also learn how to check for breast cancer.

>>8390530
I got that aftr like a week of pueraria mirifica 500mg 1-2x a day,
I'm going to stop now because I realized I really don't want gyno. I already ordered tamoxifen.
I don't know if the estrogen alleviated my dysphoria, or if I simply realzied I'm not trans after all, or if I'm actually schizophrenic cuz I read estrogen helps schizophrenia. Regardless I'm a lot more comfortable being a man since I started taking the PM so it's hard to stop but I don't want gyno so I will force myself to stop taking it and see how I feel on the tamoxifen and maybe see if I can combine both.
The OP image says it can be combined but it's unclear to me how a SERM + exogenous estrogen interact,
I read some things about SERMs being bad for skin and hair, for example women getting MPB and acne on SERMs for breast cancer,
But it's recommended for femboys to take SERMs? Won't they cancel each other out?

>>8390590
how do you differentiate cancer lumps from buds?

>>8391369
If you're young it's not cancer anon, it's normal breast growth from HRT.
Mine is also more sensitive and developed on one side than the other, which is also normal for them to grow asymmetrically.

>>8391378
Oh no, Im a different anon (still young though if that matters) I was just wondering what the actual difference is

>>8391396
I think the lump could be anywhere in the breast with cancer instead of behind the nipple. But you'd really have to be like 40-50+ to worry about it

Has anyone tried sugaring/waxing body hair at home? I can handle the pain of waxing because it's quick, but I really can't do epilating, and I'd rather not have to go to a place to get waxed every time I want to do it.

So im starting my HRT journey today. Got a bunch of prio and progynova to begin with. Monies abit tight atm so my plan is to take 100mg of spiro a day for three months and 2mg of progy for 2 months then move onto 4mg.

Im going to be moving onto bica after three months when I cana fford it.

Now my question is about the spiro. I understand that it has quite the short half life and is better being split over a day. Will I be fine to begin with just taking the whole 100mg after dinner or will it effectively be useless unless I split it down to two 50's over the day?

>>8390441
Get spiro off QHI £12 for 28 pills, or get Cypro which is £50 for 56, split the cypro into 1/4 for 224 doses

Should I wait a year on HRT + fin to see if my hairline improves then decide on a transplant?

>>8391475
Split the dosage, 50mg morning 50 around 12 hours after first dosage.Your levels won't be consistent with 100mg in the morning/dinner.
Don't take the second dosage too near nighttime or you'll wake up needing a wee and being hugely dehydrated

>>8391605
whens the best time for the 2mg of progy? Morning or night?

>>8391451
This probably isn't the best thread for that, you could make a new thread or post in mtfgen maybe.
But yes I have used sugar wax and epilators at home all the time. I prefer the sugar wax but it's a hassle to make and is messy so I usually epilate. Epilators are easier to use for stuff like butt hair cause it's tough to spread wax there on your own. For legs though sugar wax is better but I use my epilator for maintenance

>>8391591
yes it can take a year for it to work because of the hair follicle growth cycles.

>>8391616
morning progy, it has a very long half life and takes a while to kick in, best to take both after some form of breakfast (fatty is the best). To engage the intestines in absorbption

So what evidence is there to suggest that Estrofem is better than Progynova? I see this quoted frequently (it's even in the OP) but nobody knows why.

What kind of capital do you need to get HRT going?
Doctor's appointment, psychologist, medicine, regular bloodwork must add up. I have good health insurance. I don't want my parents to know that I'm on an "androgen receptor antagonist" if things go well.
Not trans just femme.
I'm in the US in a nice city. I don't want to throw my1k of bullshit investment slush fund into a fire.

>>8392200
If you're over 18 your parents have no way of seeing the exact healthcare you're receiving

Might not be the best place to ask, but is it okay to mix herbal hormonal pills? I was planning on buying the following:

1. 550 mg Pueraria Mirifica:
https://www.amazon.com/Pueraria-Mirifica-VegiCaps-Stearate-SHIPPING/dp/B00OKY07XM/ref=pd_sim_121_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00OKY07XM&pd_rd_r=R5VWEB066VMWJG57TJGE&pd_rd_w=F9FuN&pd_rd_wg=k1rG0&psc=1&refRID=R5VWEB066VMWJG57TJGE

2. 250 mg Raw Ovarian Glandular:
https://www.amazon.com/Swanson-Premium-Ovarian-Grandular-Capsules/dp/B004FDXLX6/ref=pd_bxgy_121_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00RU141VQ&pd_rd_r=S32SRY9RK2RHK58F4E4N&pd_rd_w=hLM1t&pd_rd_wg=pjcH4&refRID=S32SRY9RK2RHK58F4E4N&th=1

3. And this fe hormone mix, which I am skeptical about since it doesn't provide amounts of ingredients that I could see:
https://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Female-Hormone-Blend-Capsules/dp/B005FYLXR0/ref=pd_sim_121_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B005FYLXR0&pd_rd_r=8PZ0JVGRRMJR92WASH42&pd_rd_w=BM5CJ&pd_rd_wg=d8NO0&refRID=8PZ0JVGRRMJR92WASH42&th=1


I've looked in other places and there doesn't seem to be any answers regarding bio males; only answer I get is that it provides too much estrogen to females. I don't want to go buy all three if I should only be taking one or two at a time. Thank you for any help.

>>8392304
What steps would you need to take to ensure they don't when you are still riding on their insurance?

>>8389421
No, not ssris at least

>>8392304
I'm on their insurance. They'll know I'm using the system. I've had psychologist meetings/medication before, so it wouldn't be out of nowhere.
>>8392320
There's always forms and stuff at the doctor's office for release of information. When I make an appointment I'll take my time talking to them.

>>8392114
Estro has a stronger spike in levels but has a short half-life. Progy is a 'slow-burn' type of estrogen, so it keeps levels consistent.

>>8392410
Yes but how is the strong spike better than consistent levels? Reading that would make me think Progynova is better.

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>>8392336
What about SNRI's?

>>8389421
They should have different neural pathways and not strain your liver also.
You should be safe taking them. I started my old SNRI yesterday actually (From before I was on HRT) and everything seemed in place in terms of usual side effects.

Sadly I can't tell if it's the Cypro or just my life, but my SNRI Anti Depressant was very quickly crushed and I wound up incredibly depressed and cried for 2~3 hours last night.

>>8392430
It ain't i never said Estro was better, it just costs more.

>>8392312
It's most likely just fine but generally speaking buying prepackaged stuff like that won't be very effective. Phytoestrogens from herbs do have biological effects. They use them in cancer studies and menopause studies all the time. Typically they're extractions or are synthesized from scratch.

It's possible to get phytoestrogens up to levels high enough to easily cap out ERb and ERa receptor response (which would be equivalent to a high dosage of estradiol), it's been done in numerous studies on prostate cancer and a few for breast cancer, BUT I wouldn't recommend you do it if you don't know what you're doing.
If you've taken a fair bit of chemistry and biochemistry it's nothing ludicrously difficult to do, mostly just scouring journal articles and you obviously need to know the exact chemicals you want and how to look up that info, but it's way too much information to type up here.

You're most likely going to be disappointed in the results if you're just stumbling through the dark here. I would suggest sticking to normal self-medding techniques and order estradiol and an AA.

>>8393183
Neither of your meds interact in any way with serotonin or norepinephrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol#Biological_activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone

>>8393183
>I wound up incredibly depressed and cried for 2~3 hours last night

I would probably attribute that to the estrogen

>>8392320
>>8392340
They'll know that you're getting healthcare at a particular location, I don't think they will be allowed to see any information in more detail than that. And if they ever do find out through your insurance or the provider, you can sue.

>>8394568
Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it and will stick to your suggestion. Thanks again and have a nice day.

>>8374977
anyone know if it would be safe to take bica on its own for like 2 months? Would it render me infertile?

>>8395113
For 2 months probably not.
Bica can keep fertility for quite a long time assuming you don't take estrogen as well.
Not sure of the 'quality' of sperm after though. Sometimes stuff like sperm mobility takes a hit. But I wouldn't worry too much if it's only a few months.

If I've got cheek fat (apples) at 1 month is that a good sign things are working?

I'm paranoid that cypro will raise my t levels instead of lowering them. Is there any way to know if it's going up or down without having to wait a month for bloods?

>>8395649
lolwat how would it even raise T? That would be unheard of.

>>8395653
Really? When I was researching it a couple of hons on agp'splace said that it had happened to them...

Is there not even a temporary flare for the first week or something?

>>8395664
Well, theoretically there is a chance I suppose but it's irrelevant.
Cypro, just like bica, competitively binds to androgen receptors but has low activity. So just like bica it can bump up T, maybe, but ultimately due to the way cypro works it's irrelevant anyway.
But cypro also directly inhibits enzymes within your leydig cells themselves interrupting sperm production and testosterone production so if there's an increase it won't last long.

Is starting out on 50 mg cypro and 4 mg estrofem (2mg in the morning 2 mg at night sublingually) and then moving down to 25 mg cypro after a week a good idea?

>>8395672
A week probably isn't enough time to cause enough atrophy to warrant a decrease. But maybe it's possible if you get blood tested and try it.

>>8395670
Hmm, alright thanks.
Is there any way to know if cypro is doing its job or not apart from morning elections or lack thereof?

>>8395673
It's impossible to get blood tests done until around this time next month unfortunately. How long would you say I should be on 50 mg?

>>8395675
*erections, damn auto correct

>>8395675
A lot of the effects will be long term things like your semen turning clear, runny, etc. You'll stop having full erections most likely and at best get half hard. Really depends on the person though. If you're on E you shouldn't have much to worry about with your T levels.
>>8395679
In my opinion you should base the dosage length off the turnover rate of testicular cells since cypro causes atrophy and apoptosis of those specific cells.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2589905
>Taking into account the 95% confidence interval, the turnover time of Leydig cells ranged from 142 to 2823 days. The calculated turnover time for the peritubular cells was 85 to 257 days.
I probably wouldn't do 2823 days lol, but I'd say aim for around 150-200ish days.

>>8395692
Once again thanks for the reply.
If I shouldn't be worrying about t levels, why would I want atrophy?


Also I only ordered 56 pills off qhi ;- ;

>>8395700
Atrophy will lower your test levels. Cypro is the only AA that actually has inhibitory action within your testicles.
Spiro is entirely adrenal glands based with zero effect on testes, and bica just occupies receptors. Cypro is predominantly a 3B-HSD and 17B-HSD inhibitor so it's main source of actions are in the testes.

Cypro actually has inhibitory action on specific enzymes within your leydig cells and seminiferous tubules as well. It should actually speed up the cell turnover I mentioned in >>8395692. But you'd need blood tests to be sure you could change dosages.
It's not a meme that cypro nukes your testes. It's the only AA that inhibits a ton of enzymes there, technically it's the only AA that does.

>>8395715
Alright.
Is switching dose without blood tests dangerous? What if I started on 25mg?
I'm 18 and started puberty late if that's relevant, perhaps I wouldn't need 50mg?

>>8395726
Without tests cypro is very dangerous at higher levels, start with 12.5 mgor 25mg imo, You can always take spiro to help it along

>>8395726
Worst case scenario your T levels will be higher than female range for a little bit of time. If you didn't order enough cypro go with the lower dosage. Your dosage of E will help lower T a bit as well. It's not an ideal situation but should your T levels be slightly too high it's not the end of the world.
You shouldn't even take 50mg to start with if you're only doing a week of it, it's completely pointless. Do 25mg and you should be fine. You'll inevitably end up lowering your T so it's hardly a big deal.

I'm at 3 months now. Just started again.
I did 1 year before but stopped.
Is my boob growth fucked? Did it fuse/harden/registered as completely grown/whatever after I stopped my old HRT?

>>8395755
There's no such thing as breast fusion that's just 4chan memes.

>>8395760
So my boobs will still grow until the potential maximum size?

>>8395735
>>8395744
Not the person you replied to, but I'm going to switch to Cypro soon too. Is it a bad idea to start at 50mg, then lower it to 25mg after? Should I just do 25mg from the start?

>>8395675
Your body odor can be a first sign based on personal experience, when I switched cypro to bica and tried to do so without overlapping I got distinctive male body odor after a few days, starting back up cypro cleared it after 2 days again so I guess it didn't raise that much before the odor changed..
That may not be a good indicator until you've had female body odor for a while though, as it's much more noticeable going back to male.

>>8395795
Generally speaking yes your boobs should continue to grow.
If you're switching to cypro and you're getting liver and hormone tests then you could start at 50mg. The other anon raised a pretty good point about the liver issues with cypro so I would agree you should get tested if you're doing higher dosages. I've heard of people having bad reactions to it. Otherwise start at lower dosages.
It's better to be low T with high E than to kill your liver.

>>8395811
Anon you replied to firstly here

I had blood tests done by my GP a couple of weeks ago and my liver, cholesterol etc is as healthy as can be. I should've asked for specifics on hormones but as the NHS and GP appointments are a bit cancerous I was rushed through the whole thing and didn't get the chance to.

>>8395836
You should still try to get tested shortly after starting to make sure it didn't harm your liver.

>>8374977
Are injections better than pills? What are the pro/cons of injections? I don't mind getting shots and could easily switch if they are better.

can HRT cause hair loss?

>>8395982
If your T levels are below female range it's sometimes a symptom.
Also I've heard for people that have mpb they sometimes go through a shedding period before regrowth

>>8395649
I think what you read was that taking cypro for a bit and then stopping can lead to higher t levels in the long run.
So don't stop cypro

>>8395982
>>8396004
My Endo said hair loss/shedding (to regrow) isn't a thing that happens on HRT.

>>8396016
what if i wanted to switch to spiro in the future?

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>>8396004
Don't forget potential side effects/reaction to chemicals in medication that can also trigger hair loss (not mpb though).

And also pic related apparently..

>>8396073
>Too high of estrogen
Considering the posts here >>8377532

Does this mean the very intake of Raloxifene (60mg) would cause hair loss? 15~20mg is a fair amount.

I'm thinking of switching to Raloxifene because I'm growing boobs and I really don't want boobs. I don't have the money for such surgeries either.
If I begin taking Raloxifene and it just dumps 15~20mg of estrogen into you though, that sounds like it could just cause hair loss again.

Will I completely lose my erections and ability to orgasm on cypro?

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Anyone else taking estrofem? i posted earlier in this thread >>8389127

this person helped>>8389176

However i think taking it 3 hours before getting tested fucked up my results a bit...

My testosterone was literally only 6ng/gls and my estrogen levels were 181 pg/mls after only 28 days on estrofem on just a 2mg dose and cypro on a 50 mg dose. Is this normal???

Based on these results i shouldn't even move up to the normal dosage of 4mgestrofem....which is weird considering the 2mg i am on is a half dosage....

What the fuck do i do? according to the test my levels are normal on a half dosage but i feel like it's skewed considering i took the advice of an anon and took my meds 3 hours before the test. I don't feel incredibly different from when i started hrt desu...although my tits are noticeably bigger.

Somebody on estrofem please help. PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>8396098
SERMs don't have the same activity throughout your body, hence the name "selective"

>>8397731
What exactly are you expecting to "feel different"
If your breasts are growing then you are obviously getting some effect, and if your T is so low it surely isn't still fucking you up, so relax, you have time to figure this out. You're taking 1mg twice a day or what?

>>8397832
2mg pill split in half twice a day yes...but the problem is this is a half dosage but according to my level results (i took hrt three hours before getting levels checked) my e and t levels are in the female range...

>>8397836
Why are you convinced your results are wrong? According to my doc 4mg is the maximum estrofem they prescribe for hrt, making it sound like 2 mg is also a normal dose.
What are you expecting, and why?

>>8397851
well because your levels spike when you take hormones...i'm thinking perhaps i should have waited to take my dosage until AFTER my blood was drawn for a more steady result.

>>8397731
>estrogen levels were 181 pg/ml
This is closer to the low end of desired results. Maybe increase to 3mg/day?
Sounds like cypro is doing very well. 50mg is hard on the liver though, so consider moving to 25. Has your semen turned clear or are your balls shrinking?

>>8397897
i didn't really notice but they sorta have. i can still get erections fairly easily although it's somewhat harder than before

Does starting on a low dose of estrogen really benefit breast growth in the long run or should I just start off at 4 mg, 2mg in the morning 2 mg at night?

>>8397851
sounds like a shitty doc that doesn't prescribe the dosage of the medication that the patient needs

>>8398274
It's mostly anecdotal evidence about the breast growth thing.
But people say you should start at a lower dosage just so your body adjusts to it properly anyways.

2 questions

What are the pros/cons of injections?

Which AA is least likely to fuck with your kidney/liver?

I have weak kidneys and I don't know about my liver but liver diseases run in my family so it's possible. I know injections are easier on your liver so that's why I was thinking about injections over pills but I don't know. I plan on getting an orchi as soon as I can but I still will have to be on AA's for at least some time.

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Ok so this stuff finally arrived but now I'm too afraid to take it... Will it make my hair fall out? I've read about it on this general before and this is a huge issue for me.

>>8398621
scuffed picture, but its bicalutamide

>>8398613
It's a myth that pills are harsher on your liver if you're referring to Estradiol valerate. Estradiol valerate is metabolized basically as soon as it hits your blood stream. Your liver could metabolize it of course, but it doesn't need to since the enzyme is located throughout your body. Even when it's injected it's metabolized in your blood stream not your liver.

>>8398613
Patches, sprays, gels, and creams will be kindest to the liver. All can use 17b-estradiol which is exactly what the ovaries make.

>>8398403
so what do you think? should i move up to the 4mg dosage or stay at 2? am i a rare case of somebody who can get away with only taking 2mg estrofem? rofl

>>8389091
I haven't, but I'm quite skinny to begin with.

>>8398910
if blood testing shows you levels are fine, why would you need to take any more? personally i need 8mg of progynova to get those levels you have
>inb4 hon

>>8398875
How well do patches work? Compared to estrofem.

>>8399016
Do you take your dosage before your blood test? See i did this and i think it's skewing the results? idk....i took it 3 hours before the test so i'm thinking my results are skewed and my levels aren't as ideal ya know?

>>8399031
no i blood tested right before the next scheduled dose, that's what my endo told me
>>8399028
patches work just fine, might need a lot of them to get the right levels though, 2-3x 100mcg simultaneously
i'm prescribed patches but compliment with progynova (self-med) bc my endo is an idiot and said my levels are low but didn't prescribe any more

So going to be switching from bica to cypro in a week or two when my pills come in. How do I go about doing that?

>>8399187
Lurk more, I'm sure that was asked before in the last 2-3 Gens

i started estradiol and espiro 1 year ago.
now my doc told me to take progendo to grow my boobs, but i heard its from trans people that it doesnt work and it gets you in very bad moods and fucks everything up

anybody had a good experience with progendo?

>>8399261
Fuck you too bitch. Im sure everything asked here has been asked a million times.

>>8399344
Hey, fuck you. How hard to use an archive site?

>>8399444
About as hard as you answering my question. What does overlapping entail? Take them both each day and slowly wean bica out? Or take one one day and the other the next and slowly wean one out? Saying to overlap them doesn't help me. And you realize having everybody look in the archives for their questions would kill this already dead board even more than it is? How fucking dumb are you? How big of a loser are you to come to a help thread and shitpost? Kys me boi.

>>8399479
You just answered your own question, congratulations!

>>8399508
I gave two options...

>>8399522
anon, if you want to be spoonfed that much, this discussion is for you: https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8200364/#q8212217

Have a nice day, anon.

>>8399528
How dense are you? Holy shit... nvm anon. You clearly didn't understand my question.

>>8399558
don't think too much of it, anon
taking internet pills tends to make people moody and aggressive when they're not depressed and lethargic

>>8399674
>depressed
=( Sorry anon I was just fucking with you...

>>8399681
no, i'm a different anon

Guess I gotta you all said pueraria mirifica wouldnt make my boobies bigger, but here am a couple months later with bigger boobies that started feeling *awfully* sore after I got pm. Big coincidence I guess.

>>8399947
Did you take it alongside or hrt or on its own?
I know on its own it gets people to grow boobs, but with hrt it's supposed to mostly just interfere with estrogen

>>8399976
I took it with hrt! I'll measurements tomorrow morning but they really came around like 2 weeks after i took pm. Hrt 2 years.

>>8398621
>>8398628
It's different for everyone. Only one way to find out.

>>8398628
do you watch ice_poseidon by any chance?

>>8397584
Erections become more difficult, orgasms depends if you like anal or not or if you can keep getting erections.
Orgasms for me got harder to have, it's a lot more work, but it's way more intense

>>8400224
yes

>>8400043
That just means that your regular HRT wasn't using all of your E receptors.

how long does QHI take to respond to the idemnity form email?
It's been 3 days desu

when do I take my meds?
25mg cypro 4 mg estrofem 2 mg in the morning and at night
Do i take them at a specific hour? after or before food?

>>8400880
That's most likely the case but maybe not.
I've been trying to find more info on miroestrol in PM but lots of it is in Thai, and most studies don't go into the pharmacokinetics of it unfortunately.
It's closely related to estriol but it may be a SERM so theoretically it can maybe have more activity at the breast.
But nobody has tested It, and probably for good reason. In one study that did a 1mg and 5mg/day test like way back in 1950ish they had to cancel the experiment because the women had uncontrollable diarrhea and vomiting. But otherwise they were okay.

>>8400871
ayy Cx

>>8402900
Cypro with dinner
Estrofem before bed, dissolved under the tongue, and then 12 hours after.

How long can you be on blockera/hormones before not going to be able to go back? Is it dangerous to stop hrt? Also how long could you realistically hide it from the people you live with?

>>8404100
You can detrans anytime you want (though SRS/FFS is pretty irreversible). Nothing's stopping you from reverting back to baseline hormonal level. If you're on HRT for years you stand a good chance of permanently losing either dick or testicular functioning though, that's irreversible.

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Just want to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong with my research, so these are my levels, I'm about to start tomorrow on 2mg of progynova and 50mg of bicalutamide, I plan to take the progynova everyday and bicalutamide every other day, is this a good dosage for my levels or do I need to tweak my dosages? I think this is a good starting dose anyway, just curious what others have found work.

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>>8403193
I hear everyone say to do Estrofem under the tongue but it doesn't say to do that anywhere on its information sheet or anything.

Also why split dose Estrofem anyway?
I take 2mg but I just pop 25mg Cypro + 2mg Estrofem in the one go.

I understand there's the whole 'consistency' reasoning, but at what point why bother?

Does HRT help with a receding hairline, should I take finasteride?

Also is minox a good idea to jump on or should I give HRT+fin a year first?

>>8404750
It will all be beneficial. If you have the money to do all three go for it.

>>8404738
Original anon who asked the question
my guess would be moodswings

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>>8404756
>be a male
>have really long hair
>don't want to take estrogens but realize AAs are kind of the thing in preventing hairloss
>balding or a girl, balding or a girl, balding or a girl...

>>8404840
Just be a girl, it's way better.

>>8404738
>I hear everyone say to do Estrofem under the tongue but it doesn't say to do that anywhere on its information sheet or anything.
It doesn't say it on the package, but medical websites and even my doctor recommend sublingual administration.
>Also why split dose Estrofem anyway?
If you don't then you will spend half the day with low estrogen levels.

>>8374977

So, I know cypro is bad for liver, but how much? How bad is cypro on your body? I can't go on spiro because it had negative effect on me

Is bical genererally better or what? People seem to find it more desirable

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Has anyone else had this problem?

I go to check out, but then there are no payment options. I've used this website dozens of times in the past, what gives?

>>8405141
Try turning off adblock

>>8405147
I tried this. I also tried using four different browsers (Firefox, Opera, Internet Explorer, Safari) which makes me think the issue is the website itself?

>>8405048
Bica and cypro are the most effective AA. cypro will probably kill your genitals and make you sterile, and bica has only a slight chance of sterility. I prefer bica because I can still have sex with my penis, but most trannies prefer cypro.

>>8405332
Horray for thrusting!

I knew bicalutamide could cause breast growth, but I'm surprised how quickly it occurred. I've been on 25mg for 1 month and I'm already developing breast buds. No estradiol beyond what my body produces on its own.

Anyone else experience this? I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

>>8404207
>hormone mini check male
>male
Those sound like fairly typical doses based on what I've read here and elsewhere.

Consider starting bicalutamide first, waiting a week or two, then starting estradiol. That way if you have any negative reactions you can determine what the cause is.

I wanna prevent masculinization as much as possible for atleast a year (maybe 2) until I can move out and get HRT. I don't wanna deal with the adverse health effects of it though. Would lowering T to say 280ng (bare minimum for males) or a bit lower (150-220) be enough? Would it fuck me up anyways? Also I can't get noticeable effects or I'll get caught.

I have a weak liver too, what's the least damaging aa for it? And also do docs actually prescribe bica as AA? I'm planning on going to an informed consent clinic in a month or so.

>>8405880
>do docs actually prescribe bica as AA?
They will likely default to spiro unless you specifically ask for bica. Note that bica will result in increased estradiol levels due to aromatase converting the excess testosterone. Case in point, me: >>8405833

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>Cypro and Estrofem for 4 months
>Beginning to grow tits
>Tiny buds, tanner stage 2 entering stage 3 now
>Still hairy male as all fuck especially on chest

Please tell me my body hair is going to start dying off soon or turning into velus hairs. My body hair still grows fast as ever and as thick and black as ever.

>>8406091
Start epilating already, it'll thin out your hairs over time, hormones may or may not do anything for your body hair, I've seen cis females with thicker and darker arm hair than me before I started hrt..

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Why finasteride is no longer being recommended?
Is bicalutamide and cypro that much better?

>>8406232
All Finasteride does is stop T from turning into DHT, it won't feminise you in any way, if that's what you are after.

>>8406234
So virilization continue when taking fina?

>>8406232
Finasteride is not an anti-androgen strong enough for reducing your levels, its an optional med for your head hair hair.

>>8404955
It barely does anything to the liver at all on tranny dosages

I only smoke every other day, at most once a day. Is there any increased risk of blood clots in my case?

>>8374977
Can someone clarify for me as to what the OP Image means by

"If you are a femboy or want to reduce tit growth, at the third month start taking either...

a) Raloxifene [60mg]
b) Tamoxifen [20mg]"

Does that mean as well as the AA and Estrogen or replacing, and if replacing, which is it replacing, the AA or Estrogen?

It's been 4 days since I sent QHI the idemnity email
How long does it usually take for them to reply?

>>8407171
It means in addition to the AA and E.

>>8406121
Have a recommendation? Like $80-100.

My doc wants me to put on an injectable blocker called goselerin and 2 weeks cypro with it to stop the testosterone flare. That with estrogen patches.
Should I do that or keep self medicating pills?

>>8407303
To be clear, they don't want me to put it on those because what I'm doing now is causing harm, it's just what they use there in that private clinic.

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Spiro act as anti-androgen, how's it different from bica?

>>8407303
Goselerin is great, and patches are more effective than pills. Stick with your doctor for now, but always be ready to self-med again if your levels start to suck and he refuses to up dosages

>>8407328
how are patches more effective than pills?

>>8407291
Epilator? I got silk epil 7 and 9 (attachments are interchangeable), they both work well for me and can be used in water/shower which makes it less painful, especially useful in the beginning at least.

>>8407377
Pills increase conversion of estradiol to estrone, which is pretty much a 10 times weaker version of estradiol that will steal and take up the same receptors.

2 weeks on cypro 50mg today, still have really bad dysphoria, still desperately want to be a girl, still terrified of growing into a man, still cant picture myself even reaching 20 if I don't transition. Is it safe to say that I am definitely trans now and it's not a fetish.

>>8407179
They didn't reply to me, just shipped like normal after a week or two (bit more delay than following orders), guess that's if nothing is wrong of course and that you placed a first order along with the disclaimer.
Otherwise I'd assume about a week for a reply maybe..

>>8407291
Get the emjoi emagine 72-tweezer one if you have a lot of hair.
Otherwise braun silk epil is supposed to be the best all-rounder. Phillips satin-el (I think that's what it is) is also supposed to be good.
For pubes and whatnot you'll need a smaller epilator otherwise you can use the normal ones it'll just hurt a lot.
Personally i use the emjoi one but I'm planning on switching to the braun ones cause I don't really need the huge "bulk removal" that the emjoi one is good at.
Your hair will look like crap for like the first yearish of doing it but after that it grows back really thin and light and you'll have that smooth look all the time. For the first while cause of hairs growing cycles you'll still the roots beneath the skin until you can pluck every hair on your body (hair growing cycles can take about 1.5-2 years to catch them all). Unless you're lucky and have bright coloured hair then you won't see the roots. Either way epilating eventually turns your hair blonde-ish.

how legit are the pharmacies listed for DIY?

(Britbong btw)

>>8407483
2 weeks just to start shipping??
And it takes up to 3 weeks to actually ship
... Wew

>>8407555
That is including the disclaimer though, the process for me now tends to be
>Place order
>Few days later money are subtracted
>Shortly after marked shipped (within 1 week)
>In my mailbox about 2 weeks later

>>8407524
What about the pain?
It is as if my hair is deeply embedded in my skin, and have to run the epilator several times on the skin just to remove few hairs.

So, cyproterone, should I take 50mg in total or 50mg two times a day?

What's better, Androcur or Procur?

>>8407649
> 50mg two times a day?
Don't do this. 100mg/day is waaaayyyy too much.

>>8407406
Source please? I'd like to read more.

>>8407406
Source please? I'd like to read more.

>>8407645
For pain you can try pinching your nerves as you epilate. Grab your skin, squeeze It, and epilate on the squeezed part. It should pinch off the nerve and you won't feel anything. Otherwise you just have to live with it. It only hurts the first few times, after that it's easy
My hair has really deep roots and I still epilate just fine. I can see the roots growing back but in areas I've epilated more often the hair is too light to notice.
Sometimes the hair breaks off on the surface cause the roots are top strong but it'll eventually pluck it if you keep going over if. Sometimes cheaper epilators never can though, you get what you pay for! Lol

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My boobs are beginning to grow since on Cypro+Progynova and I don't want boobs, never have. I just took progynova to kind of get things going.

I'm thinking I'll change to Raloxifene soon (Within the month probably; Cypro 50mg+Ralox 60mg) and I was wondering--

If you have breast development, will Raloxifene 'revert' breast development? Or will it simply halt breast development so that it doesn't get any bigger/developed?

>>8407681
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5GqH5rA-mckc1I2Zlh0X2VZX2s/view

>>8407692
>pinching
Nice.
What other tips?
Using talc powder?

>>8407719
I doubt talc would help. It's only used in waxing to stop it from sticking to your skin.
Sometimes epilating after a shower helps open up your pores.
There's not much you can really do to help, you just have to get through it and then keep it off. The more you do it the easier it will get. Don't be surprised if you're epilating like every week or two for the first year, it would hardly surprise me. I believe they say only 15-30% of follicles on your legs grow at any one time so 1 year from now you may be plucking a hair for the very first time ever lol

>>8407728
How long the hair should be before epilating it?

>>8407737
2mm

>>8407756
So if the hair is short the epilator won't get it, And if it's long the hair will break?

>>8407737
If you have really strong roots it sometimes helps to leave it a bit longer, like 5-10mm even. But it sometimes depends on the person.
I always find with my epilator if the hair is too short it simply tugs on it and doesn't pull it out
>>8407763
Basically yeah. But I've never had issues with long hair breaking so I prefer letting it get longer. I've heard people say theirs breaks though. Never had it happen myself though, longer the better lol

>>8407769
So I need to shave first then epilate.
How long do I have to wait?

>>8407126
Yes!!! There's an increased risk of blood clots with just smoking by itself, let alone with hrt. Please stop anon.

>>8407786
Weed is still okay though, right?

>>8407325
Okay, for real, now you people aren't even reading the OP.

Bicalutamide:
More Expensive
Prevents T from binding, but free T levels remain high and thus complicate testing
Preserves sexual function and occasionally fertility

Spironolactone:
Cheap
Shit
Bad side effects
Primarily a diuretic with weak AA properties

>>8407773
Use a trimmer and chop it to #1 or #2

>>8407795
What about infertility?

>>8407805
any AA brings infertility if you pair it with an estrogen

>>8407805
Spironolactone and Cyproterone Acetate both make you infertile.

Bicalutamide also will probably make you infertile. Don't just hope it doesn't.

>>8407820
What if you don't take E with it?
>>8407824
I thought spiro causes reversible infertility?

>>8407824
Spiro has no actions on your testicles (It's 100% adrenals based) so fertility isn't a huge issue with it. When they use it for water retention fertility has never been an issue. I'm sure long term it would sit somewhere between cypro and bica in terms of chances of infertility.
All AAs tend to affect sperm motility though even if you're not sterile.

Is there any benefits in taking HRT after 25 years old?

>>8407855
>All AAs tend to affect sperm motility though even if you're not sterile.
So discounting spiro would improve sperm motility?

>>8407860
Yes. It's probably too late to alter your bone structure, but you'll at least have a fairer and more femmy complexion.

>>8407872
In that case should I stick to AA and fina only?

>>8407864
You're going to affect your sperm no matter what is all I'm saying. Bica will affect it the least, followed by Spiro, followed by cypro.
You'll most likely be able to rebound fertility with bica and spiro if you're only on it for like a year or so. Bica could maybe go longer.
Sometimes recovering sperm motility can take like up to a year if you actually cause damage there though. I've even heard of extreme temperatures causing sperm motility to decrease for up to 5-6 years. Just cause you have sperm doesn't mean it wants to do anything lol

>>8407846
you shouldn't take only an AA for a prolonged amount of time

is it cheaper to buy hormones off the dark net or QHI?
and which is stocked more often?

>>8407999
Whatever is cheapest probably depends on whether the darknet packages get caught in customs or not. If you know they won't, you can easily compare the current prices on your own
From what I've seen QHI is stocked most of the time, but they ran out of estrofem for a long time last year I think

>>8407791
Only if you are eating it, vaping it, or making it into a tea. If you are smoking it you are still inhaling stuff that increases chances of complications with heart, lungs etc. Look at your pipe you smoke with, notice how it turns all black and nasty? Some of that is bound to get into your body. People have to understand when you smoke the plant, it's not just thc, it's leaves, some stems, and whatever possible stuff that attaches to it in all the handling and changing hands. Do drugs smartly, not easily.

>>8407884
If you're fine with osteoporosis, then yes. Otherwise you're gonna need a hormone.

Anywhere to purchase legit cypro? How can i tell if the cypro is fake from inhouse? Is it possible for you to take a pic of the packing of the real and fake cypro pills?

>>8408135
Get it from qhi, pretty sure people haven't got fake pills from there before.

>>8408135
Nobody is faking meds. I've never seen any evidence to suggest that they are. Even in India, the plants where they manufacture this stuff are heavily regulated.

Also if you were faking stuff, you wouldn't fake an extremely niche drug like that. You'd fake viagra or something.

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Why no body recommend Cimetidine?

>>8407695
>'revert' breast development
you can't revert what's already grown

>>8374977

Purple Ranma is a cute! A CUTE!

>>8407670
They're the same. Both are cyproterone acetate.

>>8407695
>on Cypro+Progynova
>don't want boobs, never have
Are you retarded? You're literally taking estradiol. Yes, raloxifene can revert early stage breast growth if it's started very soon after the breast growth appears. It should take a couple months. Consider seeing a doctor.

>>8374977
Ive been taking 100mg spiro and 4mg estradiol for nearly a year now. I want to start progesterone toake my boobies grow, but it has to be available on inhouse.... what should I be taking?

Is it too late for me if I'm twenty seven? ;_;

>>8409873
It's never too late, hon.

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>>8409873
no
I started at 26 on DIY HRT been barely 7 months and this is me
I'm sure you can get even better results with professional advice

>>8409891

Neat! You look gorgeous and great!

I need to find where I can seek/find the help for me though.... I don't live in Los Angeles but it'd be my best bet

Yee it's better with professional supervision
even tho I'm happy with my results I already made an appointment with psychiatrist so i center a legitimate prescription

Does anyone happen to know where I can find resources like blood tests or private blood tests, and an informed consent clinic in Montreal, specifically west island?

>>8409403
>Consider seeing a doctor
For what?

My boobs are beginning to develop, it's early stages. I'll definitely jump on Raloxifene soon.

I was on Bica+Ralox for 3 months and saw absolutely nothing, so I switched off to see progress, and I have (Not just boobs), but boobs are a pretty big thing for me so I'll be back on Ralox soon.

how do i secretly get blockers in canada?

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When its only been 3 weeks on bica and fin, but you can already see the work its doing on improving my hairline.

How long would you recommend going on HRT for a femboy?

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Qhi is scaring me, first time I see it's down.. anyone had previous experience with them being down?

Newfag here, I wanna be a femboy but I dont wanna get boobs. Is it possible to get on hrt and not get boobs?What should I take?

>>8411280

Yea its been down for a while. maybe they got swatted. is it even legal what they're doing?