I NEED A CURE FOR AGP RIGHT NOW AND DON'T YOU SAY TIT SKITS!

>>8374946
Have you tried cyanide?

Estrogen or lead tbqh

No cure but transitioning bub. Sorry.

>>8374955
>>8375047
>>8375094
Listen, Im crying right now. Ive been crying for the last hour and a half. No matter what I do I cant get rid of these feelings. I just want to be a normal person. You can give a schizophrenic pills to make him less crazy so there should be something that can make me stop feeling this way. I don't want to be like this. Not even a joke anymore. I know that we make fun of repression alot here but this is really really hard for me. Im really not sure how else to say this but im being sincere. Im not memeing for probably the first time in my 6 years of using this site. If there's no way to fix this I honestly don't know what I'll do. But I'll probably kill myself. It's eating me up inside. It has been for years. I just can't do it anymore.

>>8375136
If you're genuinely contemplating suicide then at least give transitioning a try because it might give you a life worth living even if it's not perfect. I started hrt a lot younger than most(17) so it might be more of an uphill battle for you, but after two years on hrt I've gone from the brink of suicide to being pretty content with my life. Do I still beat myself up for being a degenerate tranny who took the easy way out instead of just "manning up"? Yeah. Do I still get myself fucked up over how I'm not really a real girl? Yeah. I still think I look like a man too. But strangers can't tell, they just think I'm a girl. I have a girlfriend who loves me and sees me as a girl. I'm actually able to have regular friendships and relationships now because I'm not a pint up repressed fuck trying to hide myself away from the world.

Like I'm not saying it'll work or be perfect, but it's got a higher chance of making you happy than suicide.

>>8375136
Yeah schizophrenics can take pills that have like 8 gorrilion side effects and sometimes turn you into a zombie lol

>>8375136
M8 I'm not memeing either. I spent like 17 years fighting against it (not talking 0-17)
You seriously need to either transition or die. Don't start when you're as old as I was, don't pretend to be a man because of retarded spooks

>>8374946
worked for me desu

>>8374946
tell me your address, wait a couple of hours. boom, wont be agp ever again.

>>8374946
If the idea of becoming a woman makes you want to kill yourself, it seems unlikely to me that you're trans. So you get aroused by thinking of yourself as a woman, what is the issue? People have all sorts of strange things that get them aroused, the effect doesn't necessitate the cause. Sure, there are some who have AGP that are trans, but there are some who aren't. There's people who get aroused by imagining themselves as furries, are they truly furry deep down or do they have a fetish? Since you are obsessed over the idea, have you considered OCD? https://www.drjordanlevy.com/single-post/2016/07/25/Transgender-OCD
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/2qt80e/transgender_ocd/
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Obsessive-Compulsive-Disorder-OCD-/Fear-Im-transgendered/show/2065269

I would recommend seeing a therapist and talking it out.

>>8375136
Just transition. Tranny brains aren't meant to run on T, you'll see what I mean.

OP, transitioning may or may not be right for you. Could you give more info on your form of agp?

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>>8374946
Did you try Ibugane, Psychodynamic Psychotherapy, Radical Feminism and Estriol?

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>>8375310
Awww, come on fuckhead, T is like, .45 super ammunition, in a UMP!

>>8375343
Idk what that means but your silly gun analogy just makes testosterone sound 100% more gross.

>>8375366
.45 is a hell of a lot like a normal handgun, except it uses a BIG bullet.

then you have submachine guns, you know, those things that use plain old handgun rounds, but they go ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-tat! Like the kind of thing one of them guys in a black suit ... like, say, an enron executive, but not one of the high up execs that are like billionaires, but no more than just a low level executive that actually gets things done. So, say, a guy like that in a black suit was going in to a small company where they've developed solar cells that are 6 years or so ahead. So you see, these solar fucks need to disappear! Hence, for that, he has a small machine gun in a smallish briefcase.

Except you replace that ordinary slow plain .45 round with a hot fast .45 super round that makes a big flash, makes you really feel it in your grip when you shoot it, and just makes a big bang.

>>8374946
Just see a fucking psychologist and say you have gender dysphoria but DONT want to transition.

If you find one that is opposed to transition and HRT (and you will), he will be more than happy to help you out

>>8375136
>normal person
There's nothing abnormal about being trans. Most of the population is trans, they just don't know it yet.

>>8374946
Try using weed to cope with AGP, thats what I do.

>>8374946
>stop watching anime
>improve health and fitness to raise T levels
>stop jerking off to porn with females in it entirely. Try and reprogram your brain by only romanticizing/consuming masculinity oriented media and porn.
>Get therapy

>>8375533
no, weed is a disassociative and fucks with your hormones.

Is it ok? Is it pretty fun and you can live with it? Just fap and chill.

Do you want to die? Yeah that's probably dysphoria of some sort. Get on estrogen desu

>>8375551
That disassociation is a better exsistence than AGP ocd traits/dysphoria.

>>8374946
Don't forget, you're here forever.
Non-transitioning AGP here.

There is no cure, but there is something you can do to dodge transition. Extreme repression, the worst thing you can do is think about being AGP. You'll still be a female when you fap, but apart from that it's time to do something. Read a book (not about transshit), play video games, do something.

>>8375570
If you choose the long road of repression until death, be aware your life will have no meaning, you'll be depressed and not even know why until you bring back up the good ol' agp memories, you'll sit and do nothing.

But at the same time, better /r9k/ than being a guy pretending to be a girl.

>>8374946
See a therapist.

Transition may be right for you, or it may not. Regardless of which destiny you have, therapy will help you to figure out which much better than bitching on 4chan.

>>8375674
Other interests besides AGP is important.
Distractions are good.

>>8375682
I dont think I can ever forget that i'm AGP now. I tried to do it when I was younger, and it worked sometimes. But one day I snapped and it came back hard. Which is why I got into weed. I guess I do crossdream sometime, perhaps I could try being a crossdresser down the road. I have strong transvestic AGP.

>>8375929
It's quite normal for the AGP to come back when you snap, repression is a neverending battle, like all things in life.

It's perfectly fine to have AGP as a fetish, as long as it STAYS a fetish. If you're having dysphoria, you need to distract yourself. Start a project, self improvement works well for this, as does video games and general long-term distractions.

If you wish to indulge as a cross-dreamer, be aware it only gets worse over time. Full repression should be the goal, but if not possible, living out your fantasies online, being a girl online can help at times.

Keep up the good fight. Weed helps a lot, as well.

You do not have to transition if you do not want to, but be completely aware of the facts. It never goes away, it will always be there and painful, ready to get you whenever you're down and you'll always feel empty inside.

If you're choosing the non-transition rode, be absolutely sure you're ready for it. Otherwise, transition now as being a hon is the worst fate of all.

>>8374946
Do the world a favor and do it Cara. Cure your AGP with lead.

>>8375989
In case you aren't Cara, I'd recommend against bullying her. Not because of some sort of "being a better person" thing, but rather because last time I did that, I got temp banned under /lgbt/'s "rule 1". Even though we're talking about Cara of all people.

>>8374946
https://discord.gg/F2wu7hx
Lets find a cure for AGP together. You are not alone.

>>8375950
If I belive that it will never go away, I wouldn't go back to repression mode after hrt.
I belive that I can fix this AGP. AGP has to do with my low male self esteem.
But I change my mind so many times and I keep going back and forth between transitioning and repressing.

>>8376899
>AGP has to do with my low male self esteem.
The two often seem connected and specific parts of it like masochism may be, but AGP itself is as primary as being gay or straight.

>>8375301
tfw I have a few signs of this, but at the same time I've wanted to be a girl for like 16 or so years.

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>all of these guys fetishizing women as sexual objects

Gross.

>>8376986
Oh my god, I know. Imagine a man being attracted to a woman. That's fucking terrible. Us wimyn would never do something like that.

>>8375674
That only works for a time. I used to play video games in every waking hour to avoid thinking about it. It worked for a few years but now I don't like doing anything and I'm too depressed to care about anything. It's terrible I have to force myself to do something or I'll just think about transitioning all day.

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>>8374946
Come on, son... You know what to do.

>>8376993

There is a difference between attraction and objectification and if you don't know what it is you're probably guilty of it.

>>8377001
Yes, and that difference is apparently that only men objectify. And so it's evil and wrong. Much like I am apparently evil and wrong because I disagree with your batshit insane feminist dogma. Well that sure worked out well for you, didn't it?

>>8376899
>AGP has to do with my low male self esteem.
This is bullshit. I could be smashing pussy if I wanted to! The problem is I don't want to! And there doesn't seem to be a way to fix that!

>>8375136

>Im not memeing for probably the first time in my 6 years of using this site

Imagine if you had been on HRT for those 6 years instead.

>>8377021
Anon please don't say that it makes me sad.

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>>8376619

>>8377151
Why is this man in my thread?

>>8376958
In the end it's your decision. If deep down you want to be a girl, be a girl. If its an obsession though, it's possible that you've internalized the desire of the obsession in order to make the obsession less painful. You have to decide if its your desire to be a girl or your obsession. Weed helped me get in touch with my "inner" self and get through my obsession (after intensifying it and realizing that in the end it doesn't matter too much, we're all human and the obsession with gender was what was making me unhappy, not my body) but you may have better luck with something like therapy.

>>8375489
>this is what trannies tell themselves

>>8377283
I do think I want to be a girl, I have thought about it for years. Over the years it did turn into an obsession though.

>>8377031
Then spend the next 6 years differently.

>>8377304
If you truly want to be a girl, then you should try and fulfill your dreams. But you should also ask yourself why you want to be a girl and why you've obsessed over it rather than acting on it. My guess is either you're afraid of societal repercussions or there is some part of you buried by your obsession that doesn't want to be a girl. Only you can decide which it is. Either way, you have to be brave, face the truth, and decide for yourself who you are.

>>8377031

I say it because 6 years ago, I was a 17 year old junior. Months before then I was 16 and my thoughts had gone back to starting transition. I didn't start because of stupid ideas like, "People would notice." As if I would want them to not notice I changed! Fuck, I was stupid. And 16 isn't even that great a start, but God, how I wish I had done it then. Of the past 6 years, I've spent only a little under 1/3 of it on HRT. Time passes by and you wish you had done it all sooner. Just start, anon. Don't try to be cis and cure yourself anymore. No one has ever succeeded on that. If you've come this far, your own experience trying to suppress the desire is evidence enough.

>>8377031
>>8377394

Looks like my math was wrong. Six years ago, I was a 16 year old sophomore. I hadn't been thinking about transition again at that point, but I was obsessed with the sexual dimorphism displayed by the girls around me. I was always wondering how they were the way they were (extremely curvaceous, you might not have seen girls on their level in your entire life, to be honest). I asked myself "If I had a 'sister' would she look like them? What would she have to do to look like them?"

>>8374946
Please just take the skittles anon.

>>8375950
But thats why I avoid transition, i'm already a hon, i'm wannabkate tier or worse(i'm almost as old as her).

>>8377472

So you're like 55+?

>>8377477
Kek no i'm 32, wannabkate is 33 I believe.

>>8377509

Where did the wannabkate meme come from? Are there others?

>>8377523
Reddit has a few masc hons, wannabkate is just the most famous.

>>8377576

So is it a reference to Jenner?

>>8374946
stop watching porn, retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTuElM6T50w

>>8377632
I don't watch porn! WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING THIS?!

>>8378271
>I don't watch porn!
You read it instead :^)

>>8378288
No. I haven't fapped in over 6 months. Every time I do I feel so terrible afterwards it makes me want to kill myself. Even getting an erection bothers me.

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>>8375136
You are a normal person. You just have a sexual kink that /lgbt/ and western media told you that you need to identify yourself as. It's fine that you fap to trannies. Seriously, I'm not gonna judge you. I don't think most people would judge you for that these days. But if you start pretending you're something you're not (a girl) in real life, you will be judged. This is just the way things are.

>>8378310
Fuck you, AGP is very real and nothing to laugh at. OP, we are here for you. We support you and want to honestly help.

>>8378322
>letting her hate herself for having the best orientation
>supporting her

>>8378310
Ok I think you're completely off the mark. Fap to trannies? I don't even fap anymore. That isn't my problem. My problem is that I can't stop thinking about how I'd rather be a girl than a guy. I fill my time with as much busy work as possible to distract myself from it and it's not working anymore. I basically worked myself to the bone last month just trying to get overtime so that I didn't have any free time and it only made it worse. I just started thinking about it at work. I know that I'll be judged if I try to act like a girl. I don't doubt that. That's the problem. I hate being a guy. And I hate wanting to be a girl. I want to shoot myself every day because of it.

>>8378331
Do you have any girl clothes? Mind showing us pics of what you look like? We won't judge. You don't have to show your face if you're scared about people finding out. I'm sure you look great

>>8378337
I do but I'm not going to show you. If anyone found out that would literally break me. I would actually kill myself. It's entirely unsafe to show you anything.

>>8378341
How old are you anon?

>>8378341
No one will find out if you don't post your face. Even if you post your face you'd be fine. People have short term memories online.

>>8378331
What orientation are you?

>>8378345
21
>>8378348
i can't i'm sorry
>>8378352
I don't even know. I thought I liked girls but I'm really not sure. I've had girls be interested in me but I'm really just not attracted to them. I think I've only been attracted to a girl that I've known irl maybe 3 times in my whole life. Then I had a crush on a co-worker (male) for a while. I really just don't know right now.

>>8378364
At the age of 21 you're kinda hanging onto your last hopes when it comes to transitioning rn. Every day you go without hrt you're going to be a bit more masculine, a bit less happy, and eventually you'll have absolutely no hopes of ever passing as a woman. Do you really want that?

>>8378376
I've been on hrt for 3 months... i want to stop but I really can't.

>>8378382
You're on hrt but you haven't come out to anyone?

>>8378392
Only my mom. We didn't really talk about it though. Then I stopped talking to her entirely.

>>8378395
Honest question, do you pass? If not, do you think passing would help?

>>8378407
You know what. I actually don't know. I don't think I can trust myself to say either way. Sometimes I think I do. Other times I just want to die. I have no way of really knowing.

>>8378413
Do other people refer to you as a man or as a woman? That's the easiest way of knowing.

>>8378420
Well obviously I present male so i'm taken as a man more often than not. I've been ma'am'd a few times but they were probably just retarded.

>>8378427
If you've been ma'am'd when wearing men's clothes I imagine people would think you're female when presenting female.

>>8378442
Do you have an email address?

>>8378445
Not that person but I'm >>8378376 >>8375161
And I'd like to possibly talk to you and try to make you feel better, so you can hit me up if you'd like: [email protected]

>>8378445
[email protected]

>>8378475
I sent you an email.

>>8378442
>get ma'am'ed from behind
>turn around to stammering 'uh uh uh' and vague confusion (pretty androgenous but still plainly male imo)
Can't I just like wear one of those old smile/frown drama masks or something? Like Joker's girlfriend in the Michael Keaton Batman?

>>8374946

tit skits baby

>>8378509
responded

>>8375136

just fucking transition already holy shit there's nothing wrong with it

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>>8375301
>tfw none of this fits you and you might actually be a tranny

>>8378300
Sure sounds like a perfectly healthy cis male to me ;^)

is repressing easier on skittles?

>>8379732
Arguable whether you can call that "repressing" but for some people hormones are enough without needing to socially transition.

>>8378310
If it was just fapping to traps life would be so simple.

>>8379742
I'd love to experience how estrogen feels. If it makes me function significantly better, I may be cool with being a boymode tranny or an ugly masc tranny. Also killing the AGP might be worth it, even if it comes back in a more feminine fashion.

I'd actually be ok with being an unpassable masc tranny and just owning it, if people treat me ok. I live in Canada and its quite pro trans these days, so i'm considering it.

I'm a transbian with a pseudo bi side, so staying a straight male is the most optimal choice. Problem is, I have to keep that AGP suppresed while on T if I want a long term relationship. It may be better to be out as a freak and alone, than to be a fake cishet man and betray my partner in the future.

>>8377417
I mean, isn't it perfectly normal for a 16 year old boy to be obsessed with the sexual dimorphism displayed by women? I think it may be possible that you thought these thoughts strange and internalized them. Since those thoughts are strange, you can't act on them so you imagine yourself as the woman in order to act out your sexuality.

>>8379732
It's harder to act like a normal guy because the hormones feminize the brain.

>>8379496
If that's the case and you want to be a woman, it seems likely that you are trans. But if part of you still doesn't want to be a woman, you have to think why and reason out your possibilities. >>8379732
A therapist or drugs may help you.

>>8379942
True but its worth it because you become closer to the girl you were meant to be

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>>8378310

>>8374946
if you curb your libido AGP should go too

>>8378331
sounds like you are trans by the medical definition

>>8374946
Why *not* transition, OP? AGP is just a repression mechanism.
https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/869920651083120641

>>8380439
>MagsVisaggs
>AGP is just a repression mechanism.
See:
>>8373415
>>8373421
>>8373429

>>8374946
>>8380449
Follow the replies.
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8214864/#q8220887

Moser's study IS shit though. Less shit than Blanchard's studies, mind, since the one where he "proved" people who claim to not experience autogynephilia are misreporting is based on a sample size of 9 "crossdressing men" (sic).

>>8374946
cognitive behavioral therapy

>>8374946
Become the girl you are inside.

>>8375136
have you tried antidepressants or testosterone gels?

>>8375136

ask your doctor to try pimozid which has been used to treat all sorts of unwanted thoughts in psychiatry and has worked successfully on trans patients

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

>>8381208
>>8381216
Cara might be kind of awful but doing this to her is just cruel desu.

>>8380439
no, there is no cure for AGP

t. AGP transwoman

>>8381231
A lot of people stop being AGP after living as women for a long time mein nee-chan

>>8381223
>Antipsychotics also known as neuroleptics or major tranquilizers,[1] are a class of medication primarily used to manage psychosis (including delusions, hallucinations, paranoia or disordered thought), principally in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
He would benefit from it, trans or not.

>>8381239
Not unless their transition succeeds. As long as they still have hang-ups about their body, they'll still fantasize about having a better one.

>>8381239>>8381245


while still getting off to their own femininity, and their feminine role in society

>>8375161
>But strangers can't tell

Yes, they can.

>>8381245
Isn't fantasizing about having a better body normal though? Obviously the success of the process matters a great deal to how likely you are to be able to normalize being a woman in your own mind but even twinkhons seem to pretty consistently say they get past these feelings eventually. At the very least transitioning alleviates dysphoria.

>>8381253
Not in a way normal women don't.

>>8381261
transwoman will never be a normal woman, even if she passes

>hey look at me im totally cured of agp *posts picture with green hair, ghotic lolita outfit and a bald hairy bf who is a head taller*

There was a tripfag here called "dollface" who was a prime example that AGP is never "cured", it's a sexuality and character trait in its own

>>8381223
I'm not cara. Not everyone who uses a LWA image is cara. In fact she's only using KlK images now.

>>8381266
>transwoman will never be a normal woman, even if she passes
So? AGP factually goes away for most people after they go on HRT and live as women publicly for a number of years.

>There was a tripfag here called "dollface" who was a prime example that AGP is never "cured", it's a sexuality and character trait in its own
And all of the people who stopped being AGP are a prime example of the opposite. There is zero proof for AGP being a sexuality. Sexualities can't be altered while AGP can. It is just a fetish.

>>8381267
Why aren't you transitioning?

>>8381283
sexuality is a fetish, or rather a collection of fetishes, as well. warped in a nice package of social expectations.

>>8381304
Sexual orientation is not a fetish or a collection of fetishes by definition since it is immutable and the default while fetishes are the opposite. You can't make someone straight gay, but you can make a straight man develop a fetish. You can't make a gay man stop being gay but you can make that man stop having a fetish.

>>8381304
A transbian's sexuality is "lesbian/gynephilic", AGP is only their fetish, and probably not their only one.

>>8381314
sorry, but there is no scientific evidence that sexual orientation is something you are born with

>>8381340
>sorry, but there is no scientific evidence that sexual orientation is something you are born with
Fucking lol. Gynephiles and androphiles have visibly different brain structures.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

This ain't your Christian echo chamber mate. Orientation is factually known to be fixed.

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Just do what this dude does

https://clips dot twitch dot tv/OptimisticComfortableBisonDoritosChip

Dress like a girl but still talk with a man voice, it works great.

>>8381289
I really don't want to be trans. I've been on hrt for a while and it does make me feel better but I wish there was another way.

>>8381441
>I really don't want to be trans.
I don't think anyone wants to be like this. It's an unfortunate condition. It is not something we choose. Whether you transition or not, though.. you're trans either way.

>I've been on hrt for a while and it does make me feel better but I wish there was another way.
If it made you feel better isn't that a sign that you should go for it?

>>8381441
Then what do you want

>>8381466
To be normal obviously.

>>8381423
Wait.
Chris-chan is allowed to drive?
Jesus christ.

>>8382060
You can't always get what you want.
But if you try real hard
You just might get what you need.

>>8375301
Yikes maybe I'm just obsessed with this.How would i get over an almost life long obsession though?

>>8374946
>I NEED A CURE FOR AGP RIGHT NOW
Just crossdress, and make sure you look mirror shattering ugly.

No better cure thanl shattered hopes and crushed dreams.

>>8382490
I'm considering just being a masc hon crossdresser on the weekend.

>>8384210
From experience it makes it way worse

In fact it may very well be the sole reason why I'm strongly considering transitioning

Indulging the AGP in any forms, or even remembering it is generally a bad idea.

Full repression (or transition) may be your only option.

>>8384962
Disagree >>8385082

>>8385085
Indulging AGP is better for me, acting excessively manly causes me dysphoria.

>>8385120
>>8384962
You can be a feminine guy.. you can act like a woman as a guy.. it's the identifying with it that is the problem.

What the fuck is wrong with being a gay person
Do you actually want to be a woman, or are you ashamed of being gay?

>>8385127
Identifying as a woman isn't the same as getting dysphoria.

>>8374946
Neutrois.
Get your body hair and eyebrows lasered, you navel removed, you penis chopped off and maybe your fingernails removed if that's not enough.
It's transition but no complexity about passing since all you want to do is stop looking human.
And weirdly enough you'll still find people who want to date you.

>>8381216
>sample size: one schizophreniac

delete yoursefl

>>8375469
Fuarrrk, you're the most faggy of glitterboys I've seen on the wired but you're pretty schway.
I love you phreak.

>>8375542
>stop watching anime
I was going to call you out because I thought that this only applied to moeshit but I just remembered the vampire twins in black lagoon so carry on.

>>8385127
But if your AGP being a woman or being like a woman feels nice. So there is strong incentive to identify as one.

>>8381423
Prison-trans: the prototype

>>8385127
If you're going to do all that shit you might as well just transition desu

>>8381216
> sample size of 1