What is /lgbt/'s stance on guns? I know it's stereotypical

>>8352239
very for. i'm not getting raped again motherfucker. any man goes near me in a violent male way is a drop in domestic violence statistics. thank me later straight women

Gun issues are one of the only issues I'm very very right wing on.
I also grew up in texas which is probably why.

>>8352239
MtF here, I'm all for gun control.

I intend to hit my target from as far away as possible, as precisely as possible, and all I know is that takes plenty of control.

There's a lot of people here that are pro-gun, including myself. I don't trust cops and if someone broke into my house I couldn't rely on them to arrive fast enouh to protect me. Shit, I remember when I called the cops because of the drunk cunt next door trying to body slam my door down. It took them 30 minutes to get there and by that time the dude had gone back up stairs. They didn't arrest him and were ambivilent about filing a report at first. i was pretty disappointed since I wanted him to get him in trouble with management. Dude is annoying as fuck.

Guns are necessary to overthrow and execute the capitalist pigs, so very for.

>>8352239
I think everyone has a right to self defense and should have the tools they need to feel safe. The bad guys might have guns so it's a necessary evil to have them yourself.

I think American gun laws are way too laisefaire in a lot of states but I wouldn't want to see them completely disappear.

For the record I don't own a gun and don't plan on purchasing one in the immediate future.

Democratic socialist.

Believe in complete legalization but with better mental health testing, also minimum 100 IQ required for ownership.

>>8352337
That's reasonable, I'm also a dem soc.

I think trannies should have access to firearms regardless though, since the E makes them physically weaker than women, there's no way they'd be able to stop a rapist. Either that or give them a Saudi Arabia style male guardian at all times.

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Britbong here, laughing in ~50 gun deaths per year

>>8352337
>also minimum 100 IQ required for ownership.
Make that 101. That way AGPs can be armed and HSTSes can't.

>>8352239
I just wish the guns laws we did have in the US were actually enforced. Especially cross state trafficking bullshit and illegal buyers. We need to put some more teeth into the laws we have.

>>8352363
Yeah, better for civilians to get attacked by knife with zero chance of of being able to defend themselves than have gun-toting criminals know civilians are armed too.

I'm mtf trans and I have an ar-15 and a glock

I'm actually a really passive and gentle person, I only got interested in having weapons when I got into a serious relationship. If someone wants to break in and kill me I'd welcome the sweet release of death but if my partner is in danger I'm going to kill everything

>>8352389
You're more likely to survive a stabbing than a bullet to the head.

Only issue i agree with right on
Gotta have my pewpews

>>8352239
I'm fine with guns, we just need universal background checks to keep guns away from people that shouldn't have them. For something designed to take away human life, there needs to be protocol in place to keep them away from potential murderers and terrorists, and the rules right now are not strict enough.

I'm for the complete confiscation of all firearms, from whites, but pocs should be able to defend themselves from subhumyns

>>8352239
We should be allowed to have tactical nukes in case someone violates the NAP.

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>>8352409
>we just need universal background checks to keep guns away from people that shouldn't have them.
Those already exist you clueless cuck.

>>8352432
Move to Somalia for your ancap paradise

>>8352281
lol why are lesbians so psycho?

>>8352363
Enjoy your muzzie bombings every 9 days.

>>8352435
Mental people can get guns in the US.
I knew burgers were retarded, I didn't know they were this retarded.

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>>8352427

>>8352442
It's almost as if they can just steal them or purchase them illegally.

>>8352441
Better than https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/ desu, muzzie bombings kill virtually nothing in comparison

>>8352442
Only if they cheat the system or the gun shop owner isn't following the law.

>>8352441
Nothing you can do about geography.

For the record the Netherlands has yet to be a target of ISIS.

>>8352454
You have to also realize that America has a strong correlation between crime and certain demographics that are much less prominent in other western countries. When adjusted for certain population groups, us gun crime is comparable to that of the UK.

>>8352454
>everytown
lol, retard

>>8352441
Tfw everyday in the US is the equivalent of a terrorist attack in the UK.
93 people dead every day due to gun violence.

>>8352463
>he doesn't check the sources
It's from the CDC you inbred

>>8352466
see >>8352462
Most gun violence is by and against very specific segments of the population and hardly impacts people outside of those communities.

>>8352435
?????
The majority of the US has no mandated universal background checks for firearms purchases. I believe there needs to be a federal law promoting background checks for all firearm purchases in every single state, territory and district. I know background checks already exist in a few states, but it needs to be expanded to every state, territory and Washington DC.

>>8352478
i don't get the mental gymnastics there, how is it ok just cause "certain segments" of the population do it? There shouldn't be any gun violence, fullstop.

>>8352478
Much like a typical terror attack.

>>8352466
>quoting a biased source backed by billionaire democrats that hate the poor
lol, retard

>>8352476
homicide =/= murder
suicide =/= violence

>>8352495
except more people have died in mass shootings in europe last year than in the us, so

>>8352503
Depending on what you are considering a mass shooting it is extremely easy to warp the numbers to support your argument.

Raw data of gun victim deaths in the United States is unparalleled.

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>>8352492
The short explanation is that these people would be violent even without guns existing. The problem is not guns themselves but rather those segments of the population and removing guns or even restricting them won't change that. Many of the guns used in crimes in the US are illegally obtained. Legal controls wouldn't stop or slow that at all. And it's entirely unrealistic to expect to eradicate all crime, especially all crimes of a specific type using a specific weapon. It really makes no practical sense to put further legal restrictions. What would be more effective are community outreach programs, better educational and employment prospects for the affected, a change in those cultures, and easily available abortions for people who'd like to receive them. Banning guns is a very knee-jerk reaction that won't produce the desired results because the problem isn't rooted in firearms but rather the people using them.

>>8352492
Not that person but I guess the answer is because they do it to each other, eg gang violence. 20 bullet-riddled corpses isn't twenty innocent people who got mugged, it''s two gangs each getting ten of the other.

>>8352503
You have 25 time more gun deaths than anyone else you absolute cretin. Are you illiterate too? What's the literacy rate in the US

>>8352519
the eu has had more deaths per capita due to mass shootings than the us

>>8352486
>being this stupid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act

>>8352526
If you want to atleast pretend you can read, don't ignore >>8352515

>>8352517
>The problem is not guns themselves but rather those segments of the population

Then educate those segments of the population, it's been proven over and over again, more education = less violence.

also, you're less likely to die from a knife attack than a gun shot to the head, this is common sense, how have you lot not realised it yet?

>>8352536
I'm using FBI statistics and definitions you dumb cuck.

https://mises.org/blog/theres-no-correlation-between-gun-ownership-mass-shootings-and-murder-rates

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>>8352538
We have been trying but the culture of these people is such that they are resistant to education and self improvement. From a young age many of them are bullied by their peers for attempting to better their lives. Additionally there is some evidence (shaky as it may be) that there are genetic factors involved that may take multiple generations to resolve properly. Rome wasn't built in a day and problems are usually not solved the moment the solution is identified. But we have been making progress. Overall violent crime is down and has been steadily going down for almost 25 years now. In due time the problem will become negligible. But we shouldn't get impatient and ruin our progress or waste time an resources. We should stay the course and complete our task.

>>8352239
I'm for it to an extent, I believe that guns should be heavily restricted based on cartridge size, how much ammunition it holds, as well as things like rate of fire, but I understand why someone might need one for hunting and self-defense purposes. So mark me down for a heavily restrictive yes.

>>8352543
No you aren't because there are no sources listed. You aren't referencing any particular statistic, only the idea of statistics.

And again, no matter what definition you use, the results can be altered to drastically different results depending on when you draw the line. You simply can't argue with the total deaths overall.

>>8352562
I should be allowed to own microwave weapons and thermonuclear bombs.

>>8352551
If you don't own a gun, you can't do a mass shooting.

t.common sense

>>8352437
More to North Korea for your statist paradise

>>8352495
Uh, no? terror attacks hit random unconnected groups of people who happen to be together at one time, like commuters on a particular day. The only connection is working in the same city.

>>8352576
Good idea! We should do the same for hard drugs, too! That way, there'll be no more addicts!

Wait...

>>8352577
I'm a democratic socialist, I'm happy in Europe, living comfy with my free healthcare and education.

>>8352576
>implying you can't buy a gun off the black market
I stole rifles from the LAPD and sold them to MS-13 members to finance SRS lol

>>8352593
>guns
>hard drugs
You aren't addicted to guns you imbecile. You can live without them.

>>8352349
I'm fine with even anti tank rifles being civilian approved but explosives and nuclear anything needs to be restricted.

We don't need a John McAfee being able to cause a nuclear holocaust because they're rich and retarded.

>>8352596
Enjoy your Europe, Martyn.

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>>8352566
I think the problem with your logic that he's(?) trying to point out is that the utilitarian value function of more deaths always being negative and less deaths always being positive, misses the forest for the trees in that it leads you to solutions and assumptions that are counterproductive to your goals. Indeed there are many gun deaths in the united states. But the qualifier of specifically deaths by gun is a bit arbitrary. Additionally there is the issue of who's doing the killing and who's getting killed. To say that the goal should be the eradication of gun violence is a bit mistaken when your goal is to reduce violence in general. It assumes that all lives are equally valuable and that gun violence is evenly distributed throughout the population. Both assumptions are false.

>>8352604
Well then, let's ban all drugs, then! That way, no one will be able to get their hands on them in the first place!

Wait...

>>8352596
Free healthcare and education works until you start running out of other people's money.

>>8352596
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>>8352610
I am enjoying it.

>>8352607
Meant for
>>8352571

>>8352615
>>8352622
Oh w8 my bad, we just don't spend 50% of our money bombing brown people in a desert and we actually get healthcare and education instead. Not a bad idea am I right?

>>8352635
>Not a bad idea am I right?

Ask the Manchester 22 if they'd rather have free healthcare, or no muslim terror attacks every week.

>>8352631
lol I'm mostly just joking. Although nuclear is a problem that mostly solves itself. It's so difficult to produce that it can't be feasibly owned recreationally without alot of people knowing. I actually do believe that civilians should be allowed to own and work with nuclear material but only under certain maximums to prevent danger to the public. You actually can own small amounts of uranium and plutonium in the United states, but it's just enough to be dangerous to your own health if you remove them from their glass casings but not really enough to do any actual science with.

>>8352635
>>8352635
I guess that explains the absurdly high rate of allah snackbars you're dealing with.

>>8352611
>all lives aren't equally valuable

It takes a true psychopath to believe this. If you personally think you are worth more than anyone else you have seriously should think about why you think that.

For the record I am >>8352313 and not against guns themselves. The problem of gun violence isn't the guns themselves but the economic climate and the perception of equality in the eyes of the would be shooters. This mentality that their lives don't matter is what pushes people to violence.

>>8352635
Our military looks out for most of the west's common interests and without it you wouldn't be able to have universal health-care at all because you'd have to defend yourself. But further than that we actually spend more money on entitlements that our military. Social security and welfare are a problem for us because only about half of the country pays any taxes at all an almost 12% of the country actually pays negative taxes if you account for government assistance. But this is the price of freedom etc.

>>8352635
Not an argument.

>>8352667
You're stupid amerifiat.

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>>8352648
Maybe the other 21 would choose the former though.

>>8352674
why did you chose the dumbest response as the only one to respond to?

>>8352648
22 people in about a month, vs your 93 a day.

>>8352680
>>8352674
Same fagging lmao, how pathetic

>>8352674
Still not an argument.

>>8352665
that's why you are stupid. you are so stupid.

>>8352694
see >>8352611
Also proportionality. What percentage of the population etc.

>>8352635
>how to trigger Americans
The post.

>>8352694
93 people do not die in mass shootings each day

>>8352707
Do the math my friend 70m in the UK, 300m US.

22/month vs 93/day .

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>>8352703
Don't be dumb.

>>8352706
We're not actually. We're just doing what has to be done in very segmented ways because of factionalism. We're really no dumber than the UK or Germany. In fact we have many of the same kinds of problems.

Why did everyone have to fuck up the thread by replying to the uk faggot?

just get a bodyguard if you want protection.

>>8352724
ella mayo! Like just pay for full time human protection to staff your person. Like why would you need to be able to protect yourself.

This is actually one of the least intelligent comments I've ever seen on this website, and my home boards are /pol/ /v/ an /biz/.

>>8352723
Burgers are so cute, watching them try to argue is like a dog on rollerskates

>>8352733
But you haven't addressed any real arguments such as

>>8352517
>>8352557
>>8352611

You're really not even arguing at all when i think of it. Stroking one's ego is one thing but you're just not making any sense with that post, my friend.

>>8352723
>tfw uk too and people like him give us a bad name and make everybody think we're 100% cucks

>>8352658
>It takes a true psychopath to believe this. If you personally think you are worth more than anyone else you have seriously should think about why you think that

Should the life of a young child be sacrificed to save 2 killers? Not all lives are equally valuable. This isn't even a radical idea. It's the basis of many systems of punishment within the justice systems of the world. If that wasn't the case you'd be unable to punish people properly for certain crimes.

>>8352738
That was the point. He doesn't actually have an argument, he just baited so he could fuck up the thread and laugh about it.
He's pathetic, and you guys are even more so for being so easily manipulated.
This shit is obvious from 100 miles away and you fucks always fall for it over and over like you just got on the internet yesterday.

>>8352716
Yes now address the other part of that post.

>>8352732
if ur actually threatened by someone then u can easily afford one...

>>8352778
You don't have time to hire a bodyguard each time someone seems like they might assault you. Are you actually retarded?

>>8352801
that's why u pay them to stick around, idiot

>>8352812
Man comes up to you and pulls a gun out saying "take your clothes off" or "give me your money". Where was the time to hire a body guard?

I'm not using hyperbole when I say that you are actually stupid and that you need to stay out of serious discussions being held by adults so as not to waste their time.

>>8352819
u hire them beforehand, incase someone does that
my parents hired a personal guard for me when i turned 18 so u can easily afford one

>>8352747
It's exceptionally clear that punishment as a means of rehabilitation isn't effective. "Proper punishment" is totally arbitrary in the justice system and a lot of people have a different idea of a fair punishment.

Humans have an obsession of vengeance and punishing people who in most cases really just need help. A normal person doesn't want to hurt another person. It's very evident in any military in the world. One of the leading problems of military training is training someone to take someone else's life.

Just because a person killed someone and the law says that the person should spend however many years in prison (which is really just an arbitrary number since you can't quantify the wrongness of killing), it doesn't mean that when their time is up they are all of a sudden "cured" and can now function in society. In most cases they are actually worse off and will likely re-offend.

This doesn't excuse the offender, but they need help more than punishment if the goal of prison is rehabilitation. Which it is.

>>8352838
You're missing the point. The life of a habitual murderer is worth less than that of a normal person as evidenced by the general attitude of society towards them. All lives are not equally valuable in almost any social system conceived. And it's entirely nonsensical to act like all lives are equally valuable because it reduces societal action to the fulfillment of utilitarian value functions that make no sense and can be gamed due to their naive, action agnostic approach to past and future claims to fulfillment and happiness.

I am very liberal, but I'm also very libertarian so yeah I'm pro-gun. I plan to get one once I'm better off enough financially to be able to afford one

>>8352861
You are missing my point all the same. Just because this is what society has always done doesn't mean that it's the correct course of action. In fact, if we look at history, we are almost certainly incorrect in our actions today and humans of the future will look back at how wrong we were. We are causing much suffering for nothing in return. Many criminals aren't mentally ill or unstable. Most of them are products of their environment and being treated as a subhuman would only enforce their beligerant behavior.

>>8352875
You're arguing something entirely different than what I am and in that have actually admitted to my original point.

>>8352873
"Liberals" are not liberal. Libertarians are liberal.

>>8352476
>CDC
kek

>>8352899
If your original point is that humans aren't equal then no I'm not agreeing with you.

>>8352337
>also minimum 100 IQ
Ableist scum.

>>8352337
>implying IQ scores are meaningful

why not just a basic test of safely handling firearms?

>>8352648
throwing money or indeed bullets at the problem won't fix it
we haven't had any of those attacks in the US lately because we've been hyper-vigilant about it, not because we spend more than anyone else on the military

>>8353100
Because then people like >>8352920
And >>8352899
Would be roaming around with guns.

>>8353100
Min 100 IQ is to reduce white trash/ghetto hoodrat gun owners.

If you score less than 100 on a real IQ test, you're hardly human anyway.

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>>8352239
>tfw every city in USA over 100.000 people has more murders and gun deaths than your entire 8~50 times more populous country
>tfw burgers get triggered at sheer mention of working healthcare
>tfw last school shooting was made by nazis 70 years ago instead of autistic white manlet 7 weeks ago
>tfw no drug cartels near the borders or in the country
>tfw burgers manage to have more dead than terrorist-filled yurop
>tfw toddlers manage to kill ~12 burgers yearly

Feels good to be born in EU and not some overgrown South Africa.

>>8352239
I like guns, pham.

>>8352239
Pro-gun, but live in the UK so I have no-gun.
MtF BTW

>>8353592

there's a very simple reason as to why america has stats like this.

hint: it's not the rural, mainly white areas that could be anywhere in europe, but rest assured ferguson is europe's future

>>8353890

i hate this uk = no gunz meme, get yourself a shotgun or rifle permit, it's not hard. granted you can't get an assault rifle and handguns are very hard to get but it's easier than you'd think

>>8352458
>the Netherlands has yet to be a target of ISIS
The only remotely relevant target to get international attention would be Amsterdam, and nobody outside of Amsterdam cares about Amsterdam.

In fact the moment a suicide bombing does happen in Amsterdam people will only feel slightly upset that their taxes will be wasted on repairing the damage.

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>>8353293

white trash/ghetto hood rats don't legally purchase guns.

>>8353929
Nice try, but even if you only count whites, USA cities still have doubled murder rate.

I'm liberal so obviously I approve of the right to own guns

I've actually been terrified of guns since a wee lad, that being said, I'm very much for and want to overcome this fear to learn how to defend myself. (MtF)

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>>8352635
>we just don't spend 50% of our money bombing brown people in a desert and we actually get healthcare and education instead

are you retarded? murica spends 50% of its money to be able to fight a large scale conventional war in europe or the far east: bombing darkies is cheap in comparison

NATO means mutual defense but realistically the US, Britain and France do all the heavy lifting(and have all the nukes too) while most of western europe are lazy cunts who neglect their national defense because "big daddy america will save us"

basically america spends that much on defense you don't have to and Curtis LeMay died for your sins

>>8352239
I think we should #armqueerpeople

>>8352239
Japan has so little crime that the police have to resort to watching an abandoned car for days because they have nothing else to do. They have very strict gun control in that country, and I think that there should be strict gun control everywhere. There's no reason why citizens should have guns, because when citizens have guns then they are more likely to commit crimes.

>>8354092
At least some do. No, you wouldn't get rid of all the dumb people's guns, but you'd at least reduce the amount.

>>8352596
>free healthcare and education
>free
Money doesn't grow on trees, you moron.

>>8352239
I'm fine with guns. I'm also fine with guns control. I don't really have strong opinions one way or the other.

>>8354558
>liberal, which in the current political climate means collectivist marxist
>supporting liberties of any kind
huh?

>>8352239
/k/ is my home board.
I think peopel who are afraid of guns or think they should be banned have some kind of mental deficiency, and I think gun-free zones do more harm than good.
The only reason I'm still alive is that I refuse to shoot myself and have my death misconstrued to further gun control.

>>8352239
I'm an American veteran, I'm trained on multiple firearms, including ones I've owned in the past. I don't own any now but I will likely purchase a few in the future for my gf and myself. I'll make sure she's properly trained on using and maintaining a handgun and possibly a rifle.

Many Americans are ignorant of the responsibilities of owning a firearm. It's a right to own one but it should be regulated just like anything potentially deadly, such as driving a vehicle. There's too many injuries and deaths from rank carelessness and stupidity. It's not only morons risking themselves and their families, but going out in public and risking passerbys.

Like at a local Walmart I go to, some jackass decided he would be a hero and shoot at some stupid teenagers thieves driving off in the middle of a crowded parking lot. Dumbass didn't think of what could easily happen with stray bullets hitting people (lots of families with kids) or even the damage to cars from ricocheting bullets. All of which is not worth stopping some kids stealing $100 worth of Walmart merchandise.

That's the problem, even if you can restrict mentally ill and criminals from possessing and using firearms, you also need some rules to keep people from being complete retards about it. The problem is aren't responsible in this country with our 2nd amendment rights and I don't see it changing.

All I can do with my gf is practice the equivalent of defensive driving by keeping ourselves responsible and safe and assume everyone else is an idiot with a gun.

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>go to the range
>it's all old dudes, fat dudes, white dudes, and Trump dudes

You have no idea how badly I'd want to take a qt patootie gay guy or MtF to the range and show off their groupings.

>>8354628
>being this obtuse

It's like burgers pride themselves in being stupid. Everyone and their mother know that "free" is just quicker way of saying "paid from taxes so the individual doesn't have to suffer exorbitant costs on his own", but suddenly it has to be explained over and over just because burgerbrains can't comprehend simple concepts.

>>8354641
No, it only means this in Dumbfuckistani language. On the Old Continent, words have meanings.

>>8354853
>white dudes
Maybe because you're in a majority white country.

Idk. Maybe.

>>8355099
On the Old Continent 'liberals' still hate liberties.

>>8352306
This

Don't cry when the government castrates you and harvests you for organs in the future etc

>>8354628
money literally grows on trees, it's made of paper.

>>8352239
Guns are for paranoid nerds.

I'm a liberal berniebro mtf, and I support gun rights. The second amendment is there to protect the people's right to revolution should non violent means prove ineffective.

>>8352239
They're pretty great.

For. I carry so I can kill conservatives if need be.

>>8352239
Very pro-gun lesbian here. I own 3 atm and have concealed carry permit. I have issues with both ends of the political spectrum but fuck the left-wing rape whistle/victim mentality shit.

>>8356263
Be a libertarian!

>>8356287
I'm closest to a constitutionalist. I agree with conservatives til they start injecting religious bullshit into issues

>>8352239

I think that if a fat person enters your home or comes within five feet of you under any circumstances, it should be illegal NOT to shoot them. Other than that I have no particular opinion about gun legality.

>>8352363
If you're not in a gang or suicidal your risk of being killed by a gun is about on par with being struck by lightning

enjoy not being able to defend yourself britcuck

>>8354092
It would make locking them up easier, especially if they're vocal about it and people snitch.

Also some do go through legit channels.

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>>8352363

>>8354616
nigga I've lived in Japan and the police there are corrupt as fuck

bunch of suspicious killings are "suicide", totally not yakuza yep

>>8356256
lol, good luck honey