>hey can someone suggest a way to figure out if I should take

>>8299658

In some cases, I think they may be blatantly delusional about the effect mentioning that says and just trying to help out, but I think in the majority of cases it's meant to make people feel bad.

>>8299871
That makes sense. Not OP, but I think there should be a twinkhon board separate from the early transition board.

>>8299658
Unfettered narcissism

>>8299658
>5'1''

I wonder if I should be thankful that I grew to 5'7'', I don't know about being a womanlet tbqh

>>8300249
>>8299658
>Unfettered narcissism
Why are passing trannies like this?

>>8300265

Since you started at 15, I don't know what height you would have been if you started as a prepubescent. I'm 5'10" and I would have been somewhere around 5'4" if I had started at 12 or 13.

>>8300477
They just like to gloat over the one group they can

>>8300265
Lol you said you were 5'8 or 5'9 a while back.

>>8303374
Why? Don't they realize the only difference between them and non passers is luck?

>>8303398
No, they unironically think they're inherently better or more legitimately trans for it.

>>8303719
Well, if they were brave enough to transition early, they deserve it imo

>>8299658
>I started hrt at 15, now I'm 19 and pass flawlessly and am stealth. I'm 5'1 with 14" shoulders and 17" hips. My bf loves me and accepts me!
>Why do people do this tbqh
You poor hun OP! Starting at 15, really, you didn't know any better?

Let me give you some advice.

I came out at 9 or 10 and my accepting parents put me straight on blockers. I'm basically a cute cis girl now, even my hands and height look cis! Can't wait for my bf to take me to the beach. None of his friends' girlfriends know I'm not cis like them and we're all such good friends!

Anyway I don't really consider myself trans any more but I still visit here to help out huns like you!

>>8299658
I totally understand how that would make you feel very sad and annoy you a lot.
Personally, I think if you are thinking about taking hormones or not, try to live your life as a woman for a week (or if you go out a lot, 3 days etc.), this will probably give you either a good feeling or a bad feeling. If it causes you to want to present yourself as a woman for longer, then maybe you are trans and in that case, you probably should talk hormones.

Also, don't feel discouraged by the early transitioners, I promise you no one is perfect and only a few measurements don't prove they're the most cis looking trans girl ever. And they may be lying to you too.
>>8300265
Tss, being a womanlet is cool.
We get.. ice cream and stuff..

>>8299658
I absolutely detest these people.

>>8306410
Uh, why?

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>yeah I self-med back when I was 15 but went into the informed consent clinic and they started me on scripts : )

It hurts. It all hurts and it shouldnt but it won't stop hurting me.

>>8306456
That kind of trannies are the worst

>>8306261
Retarded namefag of the day award goes to you, congrats!

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>>8306464

I mean I'm happy for them. I really am. I'm also proud of the hons and later transitioners that came before us for paving the path to visibility for trans people so at least we all know it is a thing which can exist.

But goddamnit people can self-med in highschool now? We didn't even have /lgbt/ until I was partway through University and the new DSM-V until that same year. It's fucking bullshit I'm born in time to watch people juuuust after me be a google search away from learning how to self-med when all I fucking got was Susan's, DSM-IV, fetish shit, and warnings not to do it.

Yet the worst part isn't that it's easier now, oh no, it's that if I had done my searches juuuuust right at the tender age of 17 in 2012 I could have discovered self-medding as well and saved myself 5 years of suffering telling myself there's nothing I can do. The ease with which self-medding is now both achieved and the ease with which people learn about it these days is astounding and makes me jealous I was guided away from those opportunities at their age.

Sure some people have it harder when they transition since they might have wives or children or be 50 and practically condemned not to pass but a small list of people born after me have it so much fucking better. While that long list of older transitioners is shortening the list of young transitioners is just gonna keep growing and we're all going to be stuck, if we dont pass, watching other people live the happy lives we were all denied.

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>>8306419
Because it's completely uncalled for and blatant narcissism. When somebody is discontent about not passing or seeking advice about how to deal with especially masculine features, it's an incredibly shitty thing to do to start bragging about how tiny your body is, how well you pass, and how wonderful your life is.

Also, doing that just shows that you have no useful advice to provide and the topic has zero relevance to you. You just came to brag.

>>8306531
>It's fucking bullshit I'm born in time to watch people juuuust after me be a google search away from learning how to self-med when all I fucking got was Susan's, DSM-IV, fetish shit, and warnings not to do it.
it hurts

>>8306531
I was already out of uni by the time this board came online. It's even worse because I would have had the money to self med when I was young enough.
I think about suicide every day and it's only going to get worse

>>8306531
>>8306581
You had /cd/.

>>8306589
Cd actively discouraged me from transitioning at 18 no idea why desu ironically I could have lurked and realized those bitches secrets on ordering hrt and gotten on hormones I was pretty stupid to post and being bullied actually caused me to repress along with friends a relatives say hey why don't you wait.

>>8306589

Yeah back then we had boards for crossdressers on other derivatives of a image board and in 2012 we had r/asktransgender with 4000 subscribers instead of the 41,000+ it has now.

Learning about self-medding wasn't impossible. It's just learning how to transition by yourself now is as simple as DIYGen or r/asktransgender or r/transDIY and no longer linked to infographics about drinking your own cum out of plastic bottles.

>>8299658
How to determine whether you should take hormones:

Are you a menopausal woman?
Are you a woman looking to avoid getting pregnant?
Are you a man with a testosterone deficiency?

If the answer is no, you should not take hormones.

>>8306589
Dial up and AOL keyword search wasn't exactly conducive to finding obscure chans on the exact right time

>>8306581
Meh, my plan is to fuck my body up with Bourbon every day until my liver is fucked enough that I die. Living 80 years is too much anyway.

>>8306531
And the worst thing is that these few short years make all the difference between a normal life and a lifetime of suffering. Our next 60 years are decided by a 5 year difference in birth years. And they still love to rub salt on the wounds.

>>8306701
Which is why I said they are the worst kind.

>>8306261

Quit this RLE shit. Living as a woman when you're not on HRT is NOT the same as easing into it in month 14 of HRT. Just try crossdressing as a guy at work and see if you're trans after an arbitrary time of ruining your professional and social life before you even transition? Fuck off.

Get a trip so I can block your retarded comments.

>>8306642
This dial up sucked offcourse I was 14 at the time so I doubt self med would even be an option as one I didn't have a credit card and two every time you searched for trans stuff your screen was filled with trans porn seeing that really fucked with my head making me feel like I'm a fetish object and feeling disgusted then more repression. Teens today just have to get a prepaid visa and the sky is the limit. Or better yet they can go legit cause therapist are not pants on head retarded. Then again the next early generation will literally be able to become cis more than likely or get 3D printed organs.

>>8306531
>>8306573

What's Interesting is that Sarina Valentina started self-medding back in 2003 as a 14 year old under her grandmother's nose. Carth could probably tell us about how prostitute trannies from Chicago got their hormones at 15. I did come across a Yahoo group on self-medding after reading an article a year or two ago. It seemed pretty dead. Probably because Yahoo Groups was created in 2001, though I didn't see when the group itself was founded. I don't remember its name either, since the information I got from the bot had clearly not been updated in a while because some of the sites it said were selling hormones don't exist anymore.

I don't know why it is that when I looked up trans related things, besides articles about trannies, I only found things about tucking and fucking pumping parties. Useless shit. Self-medding must have been one of the trans communities' best-kept secrets back then. I did once think to check if you could buy hormones online, but I wasn't in front of a computer when I had the idea. I shot it down pretty quickly too since I was naïve enough to think no one would risk a prison sentence to sell them.

>>8306589

420chan wasn't and isn't as well-known as 4chan though. The fact that Susan's and Laura's are the only things you would see pop up at the top of searches years back is proof of that. You wouldn't necessarily visit any other chan if you found them through a search either. There are probably a few cis oldfags who have never touched another chan in their life.

>>8306619

>Drinking your own cum out of plastic bottles

You meme but I know a trans girl who didnt learn how to self med and just tried herbs + soy + those 2 infographics instead of going for HRT. She didnt know how to self-med and lives in the deep south. Now she's really depressed and reclusive and after all these years just vaguely thinks herbs dont work but HRT is something well beyond her reach.

Knowing she's on a slow decline to suicide or caving in and doing HRT (thus learning she was wrong all along) is painful. Those infographics have probably hurt a lot more people than we realize.

>>8306828
Knowing I could have been as passable as sarina kills me I wonder how she even found out about self medding and how she even bought them at 14 years old like wtf you couldn't even get a job til 17 where I lived. Serious question tho why did she get into porn at all with her looks she could have easily blended in and didn't need any fucking surgery.

>>8299658
>tfw started at 15, now I'm 23 and stealth pass flawlessly without any fancy makeup/clothes. I'm 5'8" with 14" shoulders and p good hips. My bf loves and accepts me

Why couldn't I have been 5' 7"... also thanks for inspiring me to measure shoulders for the first time in my life :V

>>8306838

So she took herbs and the other things thinking that no one would put false information in them, and that because HRT wasn't mentioned in them, she would be fine without it?

>>8306589
also I >>8306894 wanted to add, you did have /cd/

anyone saying they self med'd between 14-18 was prob on /cd/ lol

>>8306896

Yeah. Muh xenoestrogens.

>inb4 "well she deserves it for being stupid" as if following those infographics instead of going to yahoo groups and 420chan means she deserves dysphoria or a slow approach to being unable to pass.

>>8306924
>following 4chan infographics
>not fully responsible for the fate that results

Google is right there... Nobody is stopping you from getting real information at any time. You have to willingly choose to eat the false information, like a /pol/tard. /pol/tards believe in the same exact shit about xenoestrogenarinos.

>>8306933

You dont have to pick sides, you idiot. It's just a shitty situation all around for everyone involved.

>>8306887

Well, she ended up leaving her grandmother's house once her breasts became noticeable. That's when I think she started sex work. Pornography is probably the natural next step.

Also, Sarina had actually participated in one of those retarded pumping parties when she was young. Showing that early transitioners are might be more bold than they are smart. I'm sure she was probably dysphoric over her body, wishing it were more feminine. Or she wasn't necessarily dysphoric over her body at that point, but just wanted to enhance her assets.

>>8306957

Not for whoever made the infographics.

>yfw whoever made them was probably self-medding since they were 14 and knew they would be screwing some gullible people over for a laugh

>>8306894
Literally kill yourself

>>8307032
Oh hon, why did you wait so long? I transitioned at 10 and I'm only 5'2. You're absolutely gigantic next to me! If only you started sooner.

>>8307039
Fortunately, we can shitpost till the end of this terrible thread. Together!
https://youtu.be/ypJhFJKyVQk

>>8307028
Explain? Why are late transitioners always so bitter and envious?

>>8307050
Explain? Why are early transitioners always so self-absorbed and obnoxious?

>>8307064
Because we took the risk of coming out and potentially ruining our lives and future? Because we dealt with the pain of bullying and mistreatment in school? My life was a living hell during transition. Now that I pass, this is my reward.

Meanwhile, late transitioners grew up safe in cis male privilege. They started without the risk of being kicked out or lose their education. If you ask me, it's the price they pay for their cowardice.

Plus, it just makes me feel better comparing my 5'4 body to a 6' hon :P

>>8299658
>>sure! Happy to help :) I started hrt at 15, now I'm 19 and pass flawlessly and am stealth. I'm 5'1 with 14" shoulders and 17" hips. My bf loves me and accepts me!
>Why do people do this tbqh
Those are "trolls", they're actually obese 30 year olds from /pol/.

>>8307091
3/10

>>8306983
So wait a minute color me ignorant but what is a pumping party it doesn't sound good at all for a 14 year old child. I hope it's not what I think it is cause if so I can tell why she got into sex work and that hurts to even think about :(

>>8307113
t. Hon

>>8307091
>Grew up in a city, knowing about transsexualism
>Not growing up 40 minutes away from the nearest tiny town, with only one bus in/out per day, in a fundamentally christian village.
See, this is why you can't be taken seriously. With so much privilege, you really can't judge others.

>>8307091
Shut up, it was mainly luck and you know it. It is what it is.

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>>8307103

A good amount of them are trolls, but I doubt they're from /pol/. /pol/ wouldn't know to get under a tranny's skin like that.

>>8307135

I'm not sure if she did it when she was 14. She was probably a few years older, but a pumping party is where people get silicone pumped into their bodies to enhance some physical aspect. Trannies and cis people do this. Pic related is one result.

>>8307146
Why didn't you run away and go to the city? Or tried to get emancipated as soon as you could? I'm sure it still had internet and you could self med.
>>8307168
I agree that luck is a factor, but it's tiring how so many here use birth year as an excuse. There's no excuse for repressing into your 20s if you grew up with the internet, or even your late teens.

>>8307233
What do you think "fundamentally christian" means?
It means very limited amount of allowed music. Internet and TV is either disallowed completely, or it's very limited.

There's absolutely no logic in running away if you don't know anything else exists.

Somebody as privileged as you could probably not understand that, though.

>>8307233
There is NOTHING you can do if you don't even know what the fuck HRT or self-medding is. At that point you are practically completely ignorant of what transsexualism is and that there are procedures and treatments to help you. You are also ignorant of how imperative it is that you get things sorted out asap. If you're not even aware of these things you can't help yourself. Just growing up with the internet is not enough.

Compare to today where detailed info on gender dysphoria, HRT, and self-medding is incredibly abundant and easy to stumble into. Birth year is pretty much EVERYTHING.

So shove your "Why didn't you just run away from home as a broke ass child and self med" shit up your ass.

>>8307269
Are you in your 20s? So am I. This information was online in the 2000s and perhaps even earlier. There were even guides on how to set up a PO box and self med as a minor. You just had to keep looking.

>>8307281
>You just had to keep looking.
That just proves my point. Again, there is nothing you can do if you don't even know what to look for or that transitioning and not looking like a man in a dress is even a feasible thing. Throw in transphobic Christian parents and living in a rural area and you're shit out of luck.

There are people that got lucky, but most of us weren't'.

>>8307301
Don't bother trying, they'll never get it.

This board has an unhealthy obsession with looking like teenage girls. A lot of cis women have masculine features, moreso even than most of the twinkhons we get over here. You don't have to look like a supermodel to ''pass''. If you're on HRT and put as much effort into your appearance as cis girls often do, it's fairly unlikely you'll get clocked by someone who's oblivious to transgenderism. I think the main problem of MtFs on this board is they understand absolutely fuckall about fashion. 80% of being feminine is in your mannerisms and dress.
And dressing like a little girl isn't gonna work, we're grown ass women.

>>8307506
Not like I expected as much from somebody that unironically asks why eggs didn't run away from home to self-med in the 90s-early 00s, believes "male privilege" is a thing for trannies, and thinks early transition is hard mode.

Try transitioning past 20. Then you'll know real hell.

>>8307697
>A lot of cis women have masculine features, moreso even than most of the twinkhons we get over here.
That's enough to tell me you never go outside.

>>8307755
Point is, there were many ways to find out how to transition before the mid 2010s. When people say passers are arrogant or narcissistic, I say it's just knowing we earned our happy ending.

>>8307979
>there were many ways to find out how to transition before the mid 2010s

You mean, like, libraries?
Or pamphlets?
Oh, you're probably talking about that 800 number: 1-800-Tru-Trans
It gave all the deets.
Back in the '90s.

>>8307979
I didn't learn about HRT until I was nearly 19. When I finally learned, I sure as hell jumped at the opportunity and started by 20. By then the damage was already done.

Now assholes like you are coming along and telling me I "deserve it" for my "cowardice". Cowering from fucking what? Something I didn't even know existed? Fuck off. You didn't earn SHIT. You got dealt a better hand.

And then you have the audacity to say I have privilege. Honestly, what a joke.

Early transition still isn't even the norm today. I know plenty of teenage trans girls that are still shit out of luck until they turn 18 for various reasons.The world isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

>>8307767
that's a thought i had in the metro today but nice assumption

>>8299658
Passing shouldn't even factor into someone's decision to transition. The dysphoria isn't going to go away just because social embarrassment rustles your feefees.

>>8308221
Alleviates more dysphoria than not passing.

>>8308249
If you haven't transitioned, you already don't pass. There's no difference.

>>8308027
Trans sites have existed for years.
>>8308094
Again, you had the chance to learn about HRT long before 19. I've been on HRT since the late 2000s. I learned about it by googling for info. Didn't take long.

>>8308221
>>8308297
That's pretty closed minded. Some people judge their 'cis' life to be worth not becoming a hon for.

>>8308358
Do you believe yourself superior to non passers?

>>8308367
Then their dysphoria isn't worthy of consideration. Cut your balls off or stop crying.

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>>8308358
>Again, you had the chance to learn about HRT long before 19.
Are you for real? Yes, shame on me for not willing information about HRT into my head out of no where. Whatever was I thinking?

Like I said, early transition was possible, albeit way more unlikely to achieve than now. You act as if detailed trans info was readily available for kids (many without internet) to stumble upon. If that was the case, there wouldn't be so many people my age regretting that they never knew about HRT sooner.

>I've been on HRT since the late 2000s.
So you were fortunate enough to have access to info about trans people, the funds to go through with it, and to be in an environment where pursuing early transition was feasible all at a young age. Do you think this makes you superior to anybody? Again, you're just a lucky little shit.

But by all means, get off to feeling superior to those less fortunate than you in narcissistic pleasure. I'm sure it takes a lot less energy than actually working hard to accomplish something in life.

>>8308094
Do you pass now? How's your transition going?

>>8308454
>That's pretty closed minded.

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>>8308497
>willing information about HRT into my head out of no where
Except it was on the Internet and a google search away.
>So you were fortunate enough to have access to info about trans people, the funds to go through with it, and to be in an environment where pursuing early transition was feasible all at a young age
Nope. My parents were (and still are) unsupportive, I had to work my ass off for the mones, and I was bullied nonstop at school. While others spent their money on video games and weed, I spent it on HRT.
>Do you think this makes you superior to anybody?
I do look down on them for not having the initative or courage to transition sooner, and for growing up socialized as a male while enjoying "cis" benefits. But yes, seeing older transitioners does boost my self esteem honestly.

>>8308943

Sounds like cis women drop your self-esteem.

>>8309070
Why would they aside from the same effects on cis girls? I'm treated as cis and I look cis. I don't worry about my chromosomes. Passing is what matters. I have girl problems, not trans problems.

>>8309083

Yes, and cis girls feel like shit when they see better looking cis girls. What's your point?

>>8309106
Exactly. That was my point. That's why I see myself as better than non passing trans women.

>>8309109

So you don't think it's sad that you have to nurse your self-esteem from the looks and bad situations of people who are worse off than you are instead of from achievements? Even if you don't think there's anything wrong with feeling good over other's suffering, don't you think the fact that the fact they're so low on the totem pole shows you don't rank high enough to even be in the middle?

As >>8308497, said. It sounds like you haven't done much with your life.

>>8309147
My point is that trannies below 30 have no right to whine and complain about their unpassability.

>>8309163

So why do you have any right to brag about how you started early if it's such low-hanging fruit? If it's so easy, it's like bragging you passed 6th grade to kids who didn't.

>>8309179
I didn't, though. This was my first post in this thread: >>8307050

>>8309201

>But yes, seeing older transitioners does boost my self esteem honestly.

So that was just my imagination?

>>8309216
That was a side comment and a secondary effect of being on this board, not the reason I posted here. It's the truth, though. Who wouldn't feel better seeing miserable hons? Nice try, though :)

>>8309223

Go ahead and read this thread then tell me what you think.

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8146588/

>>8308607
No, not good, need FFS.

>>8308943
>Nope. My parents were (and still are) unsupportive, I had to work my ass off for the mones, and I was bullied nonstop at school. While others spent their money on video games and weed, I spent it on HRT.
So again, you had the info, the money, and your parents, while unsupportive, apparently didn't kick you out or disown you or anything.

Nobody is denying that self med was possible in the late 90's- early 00's, just that its drastically easier, by orders of magnitude, now than it was then.
Even with the wealth of knowledge there are still factors that prevent someone who knows from a young age from transitioning. Religious or non-accepting famlies, a very real fear of being ostrisized, lack of funds etc.

In my case I had it shoved down my throat that I was the man of the house from age 11-ish and onwards after my parents divorced. At 15 I tried to tell my mom that I was trans and she threatened to disown me.
I had a very real fear of ending up as some homeless black prostituting tranny. Plus it was easier to push off transition to 18 when the world's youngest trans girl was 16.

And good lord, there were very few passing trans women, they were almost literally all hons.it is and was super discouraging

>>8309083
Except when a guy or girl you like finds out you have a dick or faux vagina. At that point passable or not it doesn't matter you can't hide that you were born amab. Someone will find out so at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you pass someone will find out and ruin your life. Your in the same boat you do have dysphoria and don't lie and say it goes away it doesn't even after hrt all it takes is seeing a mother hold her baby. So shut the fuck up about being so much better your in this hell too unless early transtioners can suddenly have babies.

>>8308943
>I do look down on them for not having the initative or courage to transition sooner
Meanwhile we look down on you for being a genuinely terrible person.

>>8303384
My doctor told me that I'm 5'7'' which honestly seemed kinda sus to me, 5'8'' or 5'9'' way my estimate. The doctor is probably hugboxing.

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>>8299658

Read up on the progression of Gender Identity Disorder (GID). Depending on your age, you will most likely just end up gay rather than wanting to be another gender. GID is a serious disorder than needs serious medical attention. Young kids are being mis-diagnosed as GID when they're pre-pubescent, and ultra-liberal idiot parents are trying to put them on hormone therapy. This is basically chemical castration. You will regret it later in life.

If you genuinely do have GID (which you need to wait till your late teens to really medically identify and deal with), then you will need proper medical care.

I forget which big hospital it is in NYC, but they have now officially stopped all gender transformation surgeries. GID is a disorder, and chemically castrating yourself with hormone therapy or going under the knife will not solve the problem. It will, in fact, make it worse. Depression and GID go hand in hand. That is why suicide rates are sky-high for GID people.

TL;DR - DON'T GET HORMONE THERAPY OR SURGERY TO TREAT GID!

>>8309575
Yes, no matter how stealthy or passable you are, or how long it's been since transitioning, you never stop being trans and it's always going to be in issue in some way or another. Life can be good but you'll always wish you could have been cis. It's also not healthy when people try to build themselves up by putting other people down. Everyone should be grateful for the good things in their own life and compassionate towards those less well off.

>>8309719
>You will regret it later in life.
Those who wait regret not starting earlier.

>suicide rates
That's suicide *attempt* rates.

>>8309742

>Those who wait regret not starting earlier.

Except changing your physical appearance as a certain sex doesn't solve GID. GID is a disorder that needs professional medical treatment (be is neuropsychological therapy or medication). It doesn't minimize the risk for suicide and depression either.

>That's suicide *attempt* rates.

It's both, tard. Attempts and successes are both significantly statistically higher in people with GID.

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>>8309719
>tfw orchi fixed my dysphoria
>life got better after i transitioned
>never once tried to kill myself

>>8309764
>professional medical treatment (be is neuropsychological therapy or medication)

HRT is medical treatment/medication.

>>8309719
No one is giving hormone treatments to 8 year olds, /pol/. They give you completely reversible blockers until you hit 14-18 and then re-examine you as a candidate for hormone therapy.

> GID is a disorder, and chemically castrating yourself with hormone therapy or going under the knife will not solve the problem. It will, in fact, make it worse.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958
http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26237928
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26486135
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02564.x/abstract

>That is why suicide rates are sky-high for GID people.

There isn't a single study that shows transitioned trans people as being just as likely to commit suicide or have depression as non or pre-transitioning trans people. But there are many that show the opposite, as I posted above.

There are some that show the suicide rate for transitioned trans people is higher than the general population (although not as extreme a difference as it was pre-transition), but there are studies showing that this is mostly the result of discrimination rather than an innate psychological issue.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27235282
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27117528

>>8309764
>Except changing your physical appearance as a certain sex doesn't solve GID

No but it sure does help. Do you even know what palliative medicine is?

>>8309887

LITERALLY
MUTILATING
LITTLE
KIDDIES
DICKS

HRT doesnt work cant we just pin these delusional faggots down and inject them with testosterone?!! :^ )

>>8307091
>implying your a young transitioner
>implying there are any truly young transitioners on this cancer infected site
There are no young transitioners here besides that one girl, if there were you hear about them more cuz they would be trips and wouldn't be able to resist talking about themselves and posting pic's to brag. Pretty much everyone here is around 19-30 years of age and doesn't pass very well. The rest that claim they're are just trolls.

>>8307091
Is this what they meant by "unfettered narcissism"? Why does it seem like every passer acts this way? Like jfc

>>8312237
I can't tell if they're trolls or just that obnoxious