Did anyone else start HRT late(at least according to this site)

>>8297857
Look on r/transpassing or r/transtimelines. It's very rare for anyone who transitioned after 18 to pass without FFS. I've seen maybe one or two who pass after 22.

Don't give up, though!

It happens. This place has extremely stringent standards that don't quite translate to real life. The real world isn't so autistic and tranny aware.

>>8297857
Even early transitioners need FFS sometimes, just start saving up for it now.

>>8297890
If they need FFS, they weren't early.

I accepted at best I will be probably a twinkhon but to me that's good enough. I just was hoping for some reassurance that I'm not doing something that's impossible.

>>8297878
I hate going there it makes me second guess myself a lot. Like I will see people with worse starting points than myself get shitty results then think I'll be a hon.

>>8297887
Yeah I just want to be passable in real life. I don't need to be 10/10 unclockable according to /tttt/.

>>8297890
Yeah I need to.

>>8297878
Is there any way to get ffs if you're poor? Getting decent jobs while trans is pretty difficult other than prostitution. But i guess maybe that's why so many mtf's go into porn and escorting...
Oh well, it's not like I wasn't planning on suicide anyway lol

>>8297920
Camming + programming

I have recently started HRT and I am 22 soon to be 23. I feel much better now and I enjoy the change my body undergoes however I am fine being a feminine boy who occasionally wears make up for the time being. You shouldn't pressure yourself too much and enjoy a slow and comfy transition

>>8297940
I don't think I can cam looking like an ugly hon
I most likely won't be able to afford FFS and other surgeries until my late 30s. I'm too far in debt due to school and the job market is non-existent.

>>8297857
it's a hit or miss with decent chances if you get ffs

>>8297951
Just accept and make the most out of life. The people that put on arbitrary limits are usually the most miserable and have least passing progress.

>>8298582
>Just accept and make the most out of life.
That's a lot easier said than done.

>>8298631
Caming is a great alternative actually. Even hons make it in the market. You just have to master the art of makeup and you're set.

>>8298631
Yes you're right but it's also the most productive route. The alternative isn't going to be much easier except that you self impose a state of social and developmental paralysis. The result of that alternative even if you reached an optimal conclusion isn't going to be better either. You'll have lose your entire youth.

Choice is yours.

Started at 24+11mo and I'm passing fine after 18 mo HRT. It really depends on genetics, what you look like starting out, effort, and luck.

Voice and hair is like 80% of it. WORK ON YOUR VOICE ALWAYS. Be prepared to be considered ugly like most 3/10 ciswomen.

I started at 18 and I started passing after about 10 months, and have been FT since then.
Still gonna get FFS cause fuck my nose tho

I have a super cute body though, like my chest isn't all cone weird tranny looking, just small. And like all my stuff is cis proportions p much.
My least passable part is my face, but I'm androgynous at worst so whatever, I can just wear a little eye makeup and look like a sorta edgy girl which is my style anyways.

>>8297857
People tell me I pass. I started at 23. 4Chan has a crazy standard for passing. Whether or not you'll be conventionally attractive is another thing. But passing? yeah. Yeah you can.

>>8298912
18 is not late fuck off. That's just memeing.

>>8299150
this board keeps telling me otherwise and it doesn't do much for my self esteem ;-;

>>8299266
Most of this board are trolls. The tranny thread is full of trolls with a trolling trip clique. You should not stay here if you're actually transitioning or want a real life.

>>8297857
I posted in the passgen the other day, I'm not sure if I do pass but I got told by the majority of people there that I pass.

I started (and stuck with it) at 22.5 years and I'm currently around 8-9 months on HRT. However, I have had surgery. My chin was very long and needed a reduction, I had my adam's apple done along with it so you can still see the scar from that in my pic.

Chances are you will need surgery, though you probably aren't masculine enough to need a full 50k FFS procedure. I feel like most MtF people I have seen only need 1 or 2 features about their face changed, rarely do they need as much as they think they do.

>>8297920
>prostitution
>counts as a good job

...

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>>8297857
Not sure when she started but if she started at 18 then you have a chance.
Would depend on current looks and genetics.

>>8297857
Can probably pass if you put the work in. If not get FFS and you will pass.

Meh, started at 22 and 6 months in I'm half-passable, but I had an inexplicably feminine face to start with. Dunno if I'll ever be completely passable, I'm super stocky, but there's hope.

>>8300499
Mind posting the picture? I have bdd so I think I need to get the full FFS. I think my brow is bad and my jaw is pretty bad but every time I look in the mirror certain things look worse than others.

To the anon that posted your picture I don't think you need full FFS

>start at 22
>traps tell me I pass
>mtfg tells me I pass
>bf tells me I pass
>stealth girls hang out with me but tell me I pass
>cis girls say I kinda pass
>everyone still sirs me irl
>no one will hire me in boy or girl mode because I'm either overqualified or because I'm very tall and too poor to buy decent clothes
>about ready to break up with bf because he's always pushing boundaries that make me nervous
I don't want to live anymore.

>>8302785
I'm sorry to hear that anon. If it makes you feel better I'm 23 haven't started yet and I look like a typical metal head. I'm pretty sure I will always look like a metalhead too.

>>8302779
I had to delete it cause it was sideways what do you think I need btw? Nose job and chin shave obviously.

>>8297920
iktf I'm poor as hell I don't know how I can get money saved up for ffs

>>8297857
Shit, I started hrt at 17, been around two years now, and I still look like a dude. There's no hope never.

>>8303315
You don't look at all female? I would be fine if I could be a twinkhon.

>>8302785
Yeah on the bf front, definitely dump him pls

>>8303391
Nope, just like a younger dude with gyno. Even though I've grown out my hair and even when i dress femininely i just look like a man

>>8303521
Do you pass at least

>>8303573
No.

Started at 25, now 28 and I pass in boy clothes until I open my mouth.

Took me most of that time to get here though. Which is why I am in boy clothes and have a totally unpracticed voice. Went in assuming passing will never happen. Now I'm sharing pics, even face pics on other imageboards and getting loads of attention and orbiters so something has to have gone right.

>>8303315
You probably are fucking up in one/multiple of these areas if you feel little has changed (not saying there aren't people who can't pass but there should be a decent amount of change itself over a course of years):
1) weight loss/gain
2) hormone regimen
3) exercise
4) more time on HRT

I thought I was in your boat and that I hadn't become very feminine and wouldn't become any more feminine till I altered those three.

>>8304012
>hormone regimen
What would a good regimen look like?

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>>8302707
I'll post it just this once more, I hated the way it turned out but I was trying to be as clinical as possible. Front, 45 and side. As I said, I don't really see me as passing but the vast majority said I did so I'm rather confused.

>>8304042
I think you pass pretty well actually. Your chin kind of looks a little uneven though.

>>8304042
>>8302707
I will just say I do feel like I pass in the first, side on, picture. But I also I feel like the main thing preventing me from passing in the last two, 45 and front on, pictures is still my chin. I am getting a revision on it however.

>>8304070
It definitely is and it has been bothering me immensely but the surgery wasn't that long ago so I can't really have it re done so soon.

>>8304074
I mean it's not that big of a deal you definitely look like a girl.

>>8304084
Thanks for the encouragement, but regardless, you should post a picture of yourself you we can possible give you some insight on to your pass ability. (Assuming that you are OP btw).

>>8299389
Best advice actually. At least you should not believe the trolls.

It doesn't really make a huge difference for most people, if you transition at 18 or at 25 because most people are already fully developed at 18. The only bad things happening in your 20s are wrinkles and the typical aging signs. Muscle tension in your face may occur and make it more ugly (consider that gender dysphoria is not actually contributing to a happy looking face...). From 30+ there may start changes again since this is the time, when hormones are starting to rearrange themselves.
But I've seen people aged 35, who still looked like teenagers. It's rare, but these cases exist.
Whether you pass or not, depends on
>your genetics
>your effort (good clothing, some makeup skills, fitting hairstyle)
>your voice
People promoting "transitioning early" - here on 4chan they mean with "early" before puberty kicks in! - are not actual early transitioners in their own sense of the word themselves. They are usually people, who have no clue about passing and do not pass themselves because they don't put effort in it or have severely lost in the genetic lottery, can't afford FFS, are generally unhappy etc. So they are blaming society or fate for not gotten on HRT earlier.

>>8302807
>If it makes you feel better I'm 23 haven't started yet and I look like a typical metal head.
Goddamit I'm 22 I've actually had a couple ask me if my long hair was cause I'm into metal. I don't expect hrt to do miracles but I only need 1 more month of therapy and my letter is ready to go. Getting rid of the T in my system is gonna feel so good even if I can't pass for shit.

>>8304112
I actually posted in one of those "could I pass?" threads awhile back. A decent amount of people said my facial structure was good and that I have a decent chance. I hate taking pictures of myself though I can't stand looking at myself.

>>8304165
Rock on dude.

>>8304167
Well if you've been told you have a decent structure then you'll probably be fine. The 20's aren't a bad time to transition, it does mostly just come done to genetics. Worst case scenario you might need a surgery or two.

>>8304026
Could be different for every person.
Are you getting blood tested? That can help you determine as long as you personally are given the testosterone and estradiol level numbers and check them against acceptable level ranges. Many endos are retarded and will let you sit at bad levels because the last thing most of them care about is your feminization.

If you are on spiro, try switching to cypro. Worked wonders for me, miracle drug seriously. Spiro just didn't cut it. Making the switch changed my appearance drastically. It is a much more potent AA and does its job extremely well, on top of boosting breast growth. It is proven to increase glandular breast tissue growth in rhesus monkeys, and personally I noticed that after starting it my breasts not only increased in size but now they look like actual tits, not cone tits or anything, but real female tits. Not the biggest tits ever but I still am more stacked than some cis girls so I'll take what I get, I measure out to a C cup but I think that I am more realistically a B cup and my male ribcage skews the measurements. The shape improvement alone would have been worth it, size increase is just the cherry on top.

I was on spiro for 2 years before making the switch, so it's never too late to switch it up.

>>8304200
What was the switching process? What dose of spiro were you on? What dose of cypro did you start with and end with? Thanks!

>>8304195
I just want to say thanks. I have so many doubts and negative thoughts running through my mind. I'm glad someone posted and showed me it's definitely not impossible to pull off.

>>8304165
>waiting for some transphobic cis shithead to rubber stamp something you know damn well you need, making you wait and suffer for nothing

I sure wish you kids would stop falling for the old tranny memes of "heh heh go to a therapist hon, go the official route hon"

There would be more passing trannies if more trannies would just self med. Endos are utter garbage and I have seen and heard too many horror stories involving them to ever trust one, including one friend who got fucking placebos from a widely used clinic in Boston.

If you must use an endo for some masochistic reason, please do make sure you personally receive your exact testosterone and estradiol levels so you can check to see if they are actually good or your endo is just an asshat saying they are good. Me insisting on this is what enabled my friend to find out she was taking placebos for 5 months, when the same exact medications done DIY had her below female range for T and in the sweet spot for E.

It's nightmarish how little cis people working at clinics give a shit most (if not all) of the time.

>>8304254
>placebos from a widely used clinic in Boston.
Going to an informed consent clinic in Boston named like Fenway Health. Is this where your friend got placebos?

>>8304251
You're welcome, just remember there are a lot of people online who will try to cut you down. This board is full of aimless negativity, so don't believe everything you hear.

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>>8304219
>switching process
Literally just took cypro the day it arrived instead of spiro.
>dose
Started at 50mg and now I'm at 12.5mg per day, could probably lower it. Over a full year on cypro at this point but I've been at 12.5mg for months, maybe 5 or 6 months, I don't exactly keep track anymore of when I do these switches. I went to 25mg in October though, to give you reference. Almost certainly could have lowered the dose sooner.

I convinced my roommate to switch to cypro somewhat recently (couple months or so), and she started out at 25mg with relatively swift signs that it's working better than spiro did for her, even though she's nearly 5 years deep into HRT. For the first time in ages her tits started having growth pains again and they've already improved in shape.

It's not a bad idea to play it safe though and start out at 50mg, but the stuff is so good at killing your balls you can easily lower it with time in most cases. Keep in mind when you switch there will be a short 1-2ish week window where you get a minor test surge due to the spiro going out while the cypro still hasn't fully taken over, but that will pass fast and the ball nuking will kick in with full force.

Also lmao at my captcha.

I started pretty late (just before 15th bday) and I turned out fine. I pass, stealth, have a bf etc

>>8304285
low effort my dude
0/10

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>post puberty transitioners who think they will ever "pass"

>>8304285
That's pretty late. You're basically a hon if you don't transition before you're 5

>>8304265
Thank God I posted this shit.

Yes, that is the exact informed consent clinic. Do not go there. Get blood tests online and self-med, it's your only option really.

Seriously. Don't go there.

>>8304297
Just 'cause you don't pass doesn't mean we don't, hon :^)

>>8304279
I see, thanks for the info. Does it have any feminizing effects aside from breast growth?

>>8304219
Forgot to say my spiro dose. It was 200mg and had me at low enough test to just have teensy drops of clear fluid come out when I orgasm, but that apparently wasn't good enough.

Now I am at confirmed 13ng/dL test with cypro. Never did blood tests with spiro so I couldn't give you a number, but it appeared to be low from my symptoms. I think cypro is just more aggressive and gets the job done better, but I don't know why exactly. Could be the progestogenic effects combined with how aggressive of an anti-androgen it is. Plus the fact that it's an actual anti-androgen rather than an anti-androgen in a round-about way (quoting a doctor here btw) like spiro is.

>>8304305
That's depressing I already have an appointment. Now I don't know what to do.

>>8304319
Yes, my face, body, skin, muscles, fat distribution, everything on my body that could possibly change has become more feminine. The tits are a bonus.

>>8304331
If you have the prescriptions couldn't you just get your medication wherever you wanted? Plus you can do blood tests somewhere else

>>8304334
Wow, jesus. That really is something. My T is at 10 ng/dl on 200mg spiro, so I'm not sure how much it'll change on cypro, but I'm definitely starting to think about switching now. Which site is best for buying it? I'm going the official route so it's kinda tricky for me.

>>8304331
qhi.co.uk
They take visa and mastercard and that's what my boston friend uses, so I know it'll get to you. I use them too. There are other good online pharmacies though if you want your options more open.

At least until you find an alternative clinic to that one, and are willing to gamble on them giving you the right doses, no placebos, and are okay with gambling months of progression on them being good. No matter who you go to, always get your exact hormone levels told to you every single time you get a blood test, and never trust your endo, ever.

>>8304350
>going the official route
At least you're being smart and getting your actual level numbers, or you have a good endo that just gives them to you.

Just switch to cypro and don't tell them you're not taking the spiro, they won't know the difference. QHI has a good price on cypro and that's where I get mine but IHP also has a good price IIRC.

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>>8304314
>implying I even tried to transition

I just lurk here living vicariously out of all of you, then I see the pics posted and realized I made the right choice.

>>8304350

lmao that is well below female levels. 10 or 0 makes no difference.

>>8304373
haha i bet you're more than dead inside

>>8304379
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. I'm not sure if cypro will help in my case, or if I should stick with my current regimen and add progesterone instead.
>>8304366
Thanks again for the info. I might give cypro a try for at least a month or two and see what happens.

>>8304373
Living? Through this bunch of corpses?

>>8304417
>I might give cypro a try for at least a month or two and see what happens.
It's better than spiro by every single measure aside from liver risk, which is very low at tranny doses, and doesn't even require being tested at 25mg or lower.

>a month or two

Try more like 4-6 if you want to really see the gains big time. Regular HRT doesn't turn you into a passing tranny in 1-2 months, why only give cypro 1-2 months? It's worth the switch for the decrease in symptoms alone. My roommate was hyper skeptical about my claims that "I never realized how shitty spiro made my body feel until I quit taking it, that stuff just makes you feel like crap" and then reported the exact same thing when she made the switch. Same with everyone I know who made the switch between these specific drugs.

Eh, even then I'm convinced you'd just stick with cypro anyway if you tried it, so I suppose there is no point convincing you to want to start a longer trial.

>>8304373
As I said, just because you don't pass doesn't mean the rest of us don't, hon.

Never transitioned = highest chance of not passing.

Never transitioned = bitter faggot taking out his own insecurities and failures and self-hate on others. Shit makes you an evil person, have fun with that. Either transition or fuck right off of these spaces, they can't be any good for your mental health and I know for sure people like you are affecting gullible young trannies in horrible ways. May the constant negative karma flowing from you return with excessive force, or may you see the light and become a better person.

>>8304417
The thing is that cypro will prevent that last 10ng/dL from reacting with your cells better than spiro ever could dream to. As far as your body is concerned that 10ng/dL has comparatively free reign to agonize (activate) testosterone receptors due to the fact that spiro lowers your test by fucking with other things in your endocrine system. Cypro directly and aggressively attacks and blocks your testosterone receptors at the cellular level, binding to the receptors and blocking them with much higher affinity than testosterone, while building up over time in your system due to the fact you take it every 24 hours but the half life is around 40.

On top of this you should consider switching SOLELY for the fact it will make your body feel much better, your thoughts will be less foggy, and you won't have to pee all the time anymore. It might not feel like it, but you are currently experiencing shitty body feelings due to the spiro. It didn't feel like it for me after 2 years, but when I switched to cypro suddenly I started to feel amazing and not dried out and thirsty all the time, was more clear headed, etc. These are things you get used to over the years. But they are there. And nobody switches back to spiro when they switch to something else that works for them.

My test was likely nuked beforehand and my roommates test was confirmed-by-blood-test nuked by spiro, and yet both of us got gains from switching to cypro. Consider it, for real. It's worth it just to not deal with spiro's shitty side effects. She also used to cycle prog while I knew her, and she didn't look as good as she does now with just cypro and progynova.

Or just keep taking spiro and never find out, whatever floats your boat.

>>8304574
Oh also, there is the perk that once you lower cypro to 12.5mg, $60-ish worth of it will last you 224 days.

>>8304344
The friend got her pills at a regular pharmacy.

If a doctor prescribes placebos, any pharmacy you go to will give you placebos. That clinic doesn't even give you hormones, they only give you the prescription. A prescription for placebos looks no different to the untrained eye than a prescription for legitimate medication. Otherwise the placebo effect would not take place, or rather in this case since magic isn't real, it won't trick the person into thinking they're getting anything but sugar pills with bitterant/medicated flavor added.

Not all clinics are your clinic. THAT CLINIC IS SHIT how dare you try to talk someone into even risking placebos, why fucking even risk it? I hope it rests heavily on your conscience that that person in Boston might have left this thread thinking there was any hope for them at that clinic, when they're just going to get fucked if they go there.

>>8304608
>If a doctor prescribes placebos, any pharmacy you go to will give you placebos. That clinic doesn't even give you hormones, they only give you the prescription. A prescription for placebos looks no different to the untrained eye than a prescription for legitimate medication.
How does this even work?

>tfw 22 almost 23
>tfw you finallly realize that you will be a twinkhon if you ever try HRT
>After all those fantasies of being beautiful this is the hard truth, like when you like how you look in the mirror and then you look a photograph of you and all shatters
>maybe is for the best since I'm agp

>>8304531
>>8304574
>>8304584
These are great points. At what point should the dose be lowered? I'm looking at QHI and it's around $100 for 56 tablets (not including shipping). Assuming no reduction in dosage for those first two months, it'll be significantly more expensive than two months of spiro. But if I can cut the dose in half after that, it'll start becoming more cost effective. The initial investment is definitely pretty steep, but that shouldn't be a problem if returns happen reasonably soon.

>>8304622
The dysphoria is only going to get worse if you don't stop the testosterone.

If you've got any now it's gonna explode past 25 and you will regret not having stopped it earlier, even in the event that you never pass it's going to reduce your dysphoria and it will not get stronger, because you will not become more virile.

>>8304622
Being a twinkhon is 1000000x better than being a man

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>>8304627
> I'm looking at QHI and it's around $100 for 56 tablets
lolwut? I just got 56 delivered from them yesterday and it was 56 euros which equates to $62.50, the euro has come a lot closer to the dollar in value my friend.

Just checked, it's still 56 euros for 56 tablets. Not a bad price but IHP might be lower.

In regards to when to lower it, I just remembered that it was in october that I went to 12.5mg, sorry it has been a while. I went to 25mg at some point in the summer before, probably July, and started cypro some time around February or March.

I would say give it like 4 months or so, I could have definitely lowered it sooner. If you've got full test nuking symptoms and a very low sex drive, or your testosterone levels come out below or near the lower end of female test levels, you can probably lower the dose. My own levels aren't much different at each of these doses. I think this stuff might make it easier for estrogen to trick your brain into not even trying to produce test, perhaps due to making the balls less responsive to the hormones the brain sends to them telling them to make T and sperm, or perhaps by making the test generating cells in the balls too blocked/weak/atrophied to respond much at all. I have no idea for sure. But what got me to lower the dose in the first place was reading this French study which concluded that starting trannies out at 10mg cypro worked to reduce them to female test levels in almost all cases.

4-6 months between dose lowerings seems reasonable. Perhaps you could lower it faster, perhaps not, depends on the individual.

>>8304681
I will note that one of my friends, who is Alaskan Native (important because they seem to have livers that work a little differently due to how they process alcohol, interestingly enough), started at 50mg and got some side effects, so quickly within two weeks lowered it to 25 and then within another week to 12.5mg and at 1 month HRT their blood test had them at 13ng/dL. Efficient shit for my friend.

This is why I say it really depends on the individual. You could be one of those people who has to drop it to 25 or 12.5 fast, you might be someone who would benefit from starting at 50 just to get it built up in your system faster. I imagine it would work at 25mg from the start as that is what my roommate has done, and it is working, and on top of this there is the french study suggesting that 10mg from the start even works on most people. But I would still start higher than that to get it built up faster.

>>8304681
Oh, I was looking at Androcur. My bad! This is actually a really good price. Thank you so much for the information, though. Looks like you've got yourself a convert!

Hmm, wonder if I should slowly ween off/phase out spiro while introducing cypro to maintain T levels. Might have to look into this more, I suppose.

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>>8304714
Hate to triple post but what I am saying with this one is basically; if you want to go to 25mg at 2 months in you should be fine. I myself am overly cautious with this stuff so I've given myself more time than that between dose changes, but feel free to try it out yourself.

Guess the captcha is trying to tell me something again.

>>8304608
Okay well I never told them to go there so calm down
Also you can tell placebos from normal pills by looking at the pill stamp. You're not part of a double blind study so it's illegal for a pharmacy to distribute pills without a stamp.

>>8304718
Personally I just switched without any taper like what you are talking about, but I have heard of others on this board doing the taper like that. IIRC the drugs do not interact so it might work out for you.

>>8304142
Not true, development ends at 21,even when I was 18 most adult men peered over me and my peers.

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>>8304297
>tfw don't pass
>still attractive as a girl
>girls hit on me
>guys hit on me
>trans ftm hit on me
>trans mtf hit on me
>still attractive as a guy
>girls hit on me
>guys hit on me
>still don't pass
kill me

>>8305380
Cute hon detected.

>>8305201
Uh I'm 26 and I can definitely tell you development does not stop at 21 lmao
You masculinize for the rest of your life on T. Maybe as you age it's not desirable characteristics but they're masculine characteristics nonetheless

>>8305201
Development between 18-25 is quite massive. 18-25 year olds look like boys. 25+ year old males start looking like men.

t. 28 and into men, rather than boys

>>8298901
This post makes me so happy I'm 22 and literally waiting on my first order now.

>>8304042
You def passed on the side, but once you show more and more of your front face (second pic and last pic) you look more andro, I wouldn't doubt you if you showed me the last pic and said you were born male, but I'd doubt if you showed the side pic.

>>8297857
What age and upwards do you consider to be late?

>>8306492

Anything during or after puberty is late.

>>8304756
You did though, you said "lol just fill the prescription at some pharmacy" which was the same as telling them to just go to the placebo clinic.
>You're
I think I figured out the problem. You're (hopefully) underage and have low reading comprehension compared to adults. All good kid, should have taken school a little more seriously though.

>>8308701
So basically a very small minority of people aren't late.

Even Bailey Jay started 16.

>>8309152
I thought she started at 20

>>8309152
Most trans women transition before puberty tho

>>8309170
>>8309152
Nevermind, she got on hormones at 18.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baileyjaytweets/status/732407650433007616?lang=en

>>8309176
Nigga you retarded?

>>8304608
I'm seriously confused

Are you saying the pills are super shitty or are they straight up fake?
It should work out if they do blood tests and check for estrogen levels right? (Also I'm not the same anon near the shitty clinic).

I'm not too afraid to go the official route because if I get placebo pills I can just switch to self med.

>>8310243
They're spouting lies... either that or they're legit retarded.
To prescribe placebo pills legally you need to get approved by the IRB which basically let's you circumvent human testing laws for science. A pharmacy is not legally allowed to distribute placebos as it violates a huge number of laws regarding everything from inhumane medical practices to parent violations. Drugs from a pharmacy are stamped and they can all be looked up in a database based off that stamp.
Violating these laws is a huge huge crime. These laws were made after WW2 upon discovering how much the nazis did human testing. I'm not saying it's impossible the person they know was prescribed placebos but it would be a very large federal offence to do so and there would be a large public presence for what would be a supreme court case.

>>8310522
Patent violations*

>>8310522
>They're spouting lies... either that or they're legit retarded.

That's what I thought
I'm not an expert on the topic of HRT but I was doubtful that placebo meds would be so widespread. Maybe that anon is just shilling for self med?

>>8310552
Well in either case you can find out what your medication is based on the stamp
https://www.drugs.com/pill_identification.html
Doing anything involving placebos isn't just "lol give them sugar just shiggles" it needs to convince a human ethics board that the group receiving placebos would fare no differently than those receiving treatment. If you intentionally mislead people into taking placebos versus receiving verified treatment it's a human rights violation. It's a big deal usually I can't see it just being swept under the rug

>>8297878
>It's very rare for anyone who transitioned after 18 to pass without FFS
Tbh it's hard for anyone that doesn't start before puberty starts (10-11) to pass. Young mtf's just have youthful looking faces but still don't pass that well.

yfw you realize passing 100% as a mtf is almost impossible at any age unless super lucky or tons of money for surgeries.

>transition at 20
>already passed before that with some makeup for /tttt/
>after 3 months pretty much involuntarily got stealthed at work and didnt mind
>trained voice inconsistently for a while before transitioning
>shit i have to do my best
>no one has yet questioned my voice
>mfw i work with a bunch of immigrants
>mfw im talking about mothers day with my trainer and im like i totally forgot about it and shes like "youll remember it when you have kids" sealing the deal that i actually pass flawlessly after 3 months of hrt

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>>8310720
This gives me hope, I'm 2 years behind you but I gotta believe! Mind if I ask what your regiment is?

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>>8310720
So crazy how people can start the same place as you and get completely different results.

>>8312422
What were your results?

Is 20 late?

>>8312440
For some it can be. For others, no. See >>8312422 and >>8310720.
Lateness depends on whether it's late for you, given your own starting point, damage from testosterone, and genetics.

>>8312445
I'm 7 months and I've been gendered female only once but I haven't been able to style my hair or get my brows done because I live at home.

Is that a good or bad sign?

>>8310720
i started at 17 and pass with people at restaurants and school and stuff but i have anxiety over getting a job and passing there and this gave me a lot of hope

>>8312448
Hard to say without pictures. I say wait until the 1 year mark to see how often you get gendered female. You'll probably be fine, though.

>>8312433
Bad.

>>8312448
Sounds like a good sign to me