If attraction to MtFs and FtMs is a distinct sexual orientation

If being attracted to MtF/FtM is a legitimate orientation, then MtF/FtM are not legitimately F/M, but would be separate.

I think "pansexual" is actually kind of offensive since it's pretty much just another word for "chaser" or "fetishizer"

>>8261986
>then MtF/FtM are not legitimately F/M, but would be separate.
I mean anyone who isn't dumb understands that trannies are a kind of intersex imo

>I think "pansexual" is actually kind of offensive since it's pretty much just another word for "chaser" or "fetishizer"
I don't mind someone saying "I like trannies too" though, also I don't think its fetishistic, its a legitimate attraction.

>>8261998
>imo
no doubt

I'm a cis gay guy, and I see FtM as legit men, imo.
I don't see any reason to attach a new label on myself. It just seems like some kind of special snowflake value signalling for people who don't really get it but think they are being "super progressive".

>>8262013
I'm not saying they are not legitimate men, no more than I would say that an XXY man is not a legitimate man.

Tons of cis gay guys aren't into FtMs though, and a good chunk of cis lesbians are into them.

There are people of every shade of sexuality attracted to trans people whether their orientation respects their identity or not.

>>8261986
I just think it's snowflake. Bi is enough. I hope to never date a pan. I find it exclusionary.