Questions from someone who doesn't buy into the so-called

>>8230669
If gender *isn't* on a spectrum, then how could you possibly define each point/gender without using an essentialist/stereotypical view of that gender?

>>8230681
Not an argument.

>>8230681
Because I don't remove a person's genes, chromosomes, and anatomy from gender in the first place. Even the most masculine woman is still a woman in my view, and even the most feminine man is still a man. I do personally think that gender and many forms of gender expression are separate, and that the latter plays a PART in defining gender. But biology firmly keeps a person in one gender or the other, in my opinion, regardless how they express themselves or feel.

>>8230733
Those things are sex. They were never part of gender, so your crap about not removing them is a downright lie.

>>8230944
Then what is gender in the absence of biology and sex? If you're going to define gender as how we behave, dress, talk, etc, then that's a very stereotypical way of looking at it and many, many people would inevitably not fit your definitions, regardless of whatever gender you come up with.

>>8231001
>then that's a very stereotypical way of looking at it
Which is literally what gender is. It's the culture ("stereotypes") associated with the sexes.

>>8231025
So you're telling me a woman who doesn't act like a "woman" is not one because she doesn't fit the stereotypes? Same question for men.

>>8231025
That's not what gender spectrum people say when they insist that gender and gender expression are separate.

>>8231053
A male who wears women's clothes, puts on makeup like a woman, clings to her boyfriend's arm, and insists on being called a female name and female pronouns certainly isn't a man.

>>8231065
They want to break gender down more specifically.

>>8231087
And what about a woman who doesn't wear girly things, put on makeup, or even have a boyfriend? Is she not a woman?

>>8231148
Give the full picture. What does they do?

>>8231167
She does all kinds of shit. Let your imagination run free. But what's important, is that she insists on being called a woman and still goes by her female name. Is she not a woman?

People get really confused with this stuff as literary theorists basically took a bunch of 20th century analytic philosophy of language and abused it for their own purposes:
>muh gender as a performance
Stolen from JL Austen and analytic philosophers of art who argued that you can FAIL to perform a role quite easily. e.g., if you don't pass, you arn't a woman!
>muh spectrums
Stolen from philosophy nerds talking about metaphysics and logic of fuzziness, similarity, and continuum fallacy shit. Spectrums are generally considered to be meaningless unless there are clear cases of two kinds of thing on a spectrum having paradigmatic differences. But how can you have paradigmatic differences without essentialism?

This actually raises a serious scientific problem as its unclear how you can do neuroscience without behavioral correlates of gender: I poke your occipital lobe with an electrode, and I will fuck up your vision during a behavioral vision test so you score poorly. But if I fuck up the ?feminine? parts of your brain during a gender test, do I make you less good at being girly? How would that fucking work? What are these brain scans of males with 'female' brains being tested against?

>>8231345
"Gender spectrum" is just what autists came up with to formalize what everybody already knew intuitively.
You can either say that there's more than two genders, or you can say there are two, but most people don't fit in either gender. Same thing.
A fat dyke with blue hair who talks loudly and is emotionally cold is not feminine.
A woman who's fat isn't feminine, period.
A lispy limp-wristed bad-postured US college-aged guy who takes 50 selfies a day, eats soy and can't stop screaming "Sunday Funday!" is not manly.
A fat 40 year old guy who hangs out with dudes all the time (despite being cishet) to watch TV isn't manly.

The "gender spectrum" concept isn't anything new. Some men are more manly than others, some women more feminine.
Autists just thought that by convincing everyone that gender is a spectrum, they'd make each "gender" equally valid, so effete dudes wouldn't be made fun of anymore because they're not failed men, just their own gender.
The problem with that is that effete cishet dudes aren't their own gender, and would probably get offended if you didn't just consider them a man. Many guys are unmanly simply because of emotional immaturity, not because that's "what they really are deep inside".

>>8232113
idk i just stick with 'theres two genders with a wide range of expression, femboys are still men, the butchest of butches are obviously women, men are men, women are women. trans people depends on behaviour, socialisation, and ability to pass. there's plenty of passing trans women still behave like men as evidenced by this site. the nature of dysphoria and its severity to justify transition can't be survived to any great age, especially without a history of gender nonconformity. older transitioners are literally just male fetishists encouraged by a patriarchal psychiatry industry to undermine womanhood. gender is just more complex for trans people and has to be taken on a more individual basis. nonbinaries aren't actually real, its something blossomed out of the failures of 3rd and 4th wave feminism, that either womanhood is unfavorable due to continued oppression, not oppressed enough, or that its seen as oppressive in itself so people choose not to be women (while still involving themselves politically in all things woman)- they're essentially the true gender traitors and throw sisterhood under the bus. amab nonbinaries are just fags. stick with second wave feminism desu #terftruths

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>>8230669
>If gender is on a spectrum, then how could you possibly define each point/gender without using an essentialist/stereotypical view of that gender?
Op you are misunderstanding how the gender spectrum works because of retarded special snowflakes.
You aren;t supposed to name everything on a fucking spectrum, names try to live and die and get to die based on how utilitarian they are to the whole thing. If we wanted to go as liberal as it makes sense to and stop there and go no further, all you would need is Male, Female, Both, And Neither.

Here are the results of such things
Asexuals are people who are born without a sex drive, a dimorphic trait, there are also unichs rarely as well that could fit into the neither
then there is the both, with people who are intersexed and share some aspects of the other side. There's no point in adding any more to a form or other government recognization because it would be like adding a spot to put down that you're and asshole, or that you're really nice. Category for gender which IS a spectrum and not binary, but in language ACTS that way is specifically because it is USEFULL and the people on the left who want to turn it into alphabet soup are morons because it would DESTROY the usefullness of these words to have too many. Two more and a gender nuetral pronoun of they/them/their is all the social adjustment necissary.

The big thing in my mind is that there are two modes of thought on gender as a spectrum, Socially speaking, the above are useful tools that us lefties think people should adopt because it will make things smoother when people inevitably deal with some of the genetic freaks. However theres a bit of a bite back with malefemalebothneither and that is in what legal sense are these words made to be important? to be fair, most of the point of adding sex at all is for identification purposes. it doesn't seem to serve much real purpose in the government. continuing into post two

>>8231182
If she goes by a female name and pronouns, and has no problems with her sexual characteristics, then yes, she is a woman.

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>>8230669
If the government has no services or has no actions to perform based on the spectrum gender of someone like institutions of prison for example, It makes no real sense to add such words onto things like id cards. The real goal of gender is a spectrum in the hands of the non radical idiots is to show that gender is a spectrum and that therefore, Sex, the binary, is arbitrary. This is mostly aimed at promoting the general laws that prevent people from being fired for being transgendered or the like. YMMV on how crazed some sjw tumbler snowflakes go with their identity that they want people to recognize as being usefull to government policy but at minimum descriminating against someone just for embodying the cold reality that sexual traits are just as voulnerable to mutation as any other part of us like vision and the like does seem like a socially responsible thing to do. Most of the right is however preoccupied with denying people who have lost this genetic lottery the ability to change their side of the gender divide to better suit their quality of life. Their arbitrary binary that acts like a euclidean triangle is in their eyes perfectly true in reality, and they do not want to make allowances for the imperfections because it simply hurts their fee fees

>>8230669
You're right, OP.

Ideally we would have a 4-class gender system and that's it:
- Masculine man
- Feminine man (gender non-conforming man)
- Feminine woman
- Masculine woman (gender non-conforming woman)

With femboys, mtf trannies being thrown under "feminine men" and tomboys, butch dykes and Buck Angels thrown under "masculine women." It's not an ideal system but it could certainly appease biological essentialist autists like you.

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>>8232196
>older transitioners are literally just male fetishists encouraged by a patriarchal psychiatry industry to undermine womanhood
That really gets that nogging jogging tbqh.

>>8232858
Fucking kill yourself you fucking degenerate

>>8232860
Yes, why treat people according to gender in the first place?

>>8232890
What's the point in even considering people men or women when everything is divided masculine or feminine instead?

>>8230669
I've always wanted to ask a 2017 genderless person how they are able to deny hard science and pretend they don't have chromosomes that have one of two biological markers. Please point me to the to the 'settled' not-so-called science that backs up your claims of gender being a fabrication of how you feel today. Today I woke up and chose to identify as penis-denying attack helicopter with vagina-solidarity tendencies. To bad liberals and political correctness shutdown the circus. You could have a lifetime side show gig as the genderless wonder who has a new gender for each day of life.

>>8232956
>What's the point in even considering people men or women when everything is divided masculine or feminine instead?
this is only a question you ask when you already realize sex binary is bullshit.

>>8232977
who do you think you are talking to?

All things mathed out do you believe men and women have the same brains?

>>8230669
>Furthermore, isn't it a bit childish to state that everyone can choose their identity nowadays and that it's the pressure of society to respect each person's identity, address them by their preferred pronoun, etc.?
It is, but this doesn't include calling mtfs women/girls and ftms men/boys.

>If gender is on a spectrum, then how could you possibly define each point/gender without using an essentialist/stereotypical view of that gender?
The use of gender in this context isn't what gender actually is, in this context it's about gender roles and stereotypes.

Of course, having "gender on a spectrum" doesn't work out with feminism... Since, as you said, if the stereotypes are wrong, then there are no absolutes on the ends. It would be a singularity, or whatever you call it.

>>8230733
>But biology firmly keeps a person in one gender or the other, in my opinion, regardless how they express themselves or feel.
Are you OP?
Well, you're wrong.
Women can have masculine personalities, and have stereotypical male interests. Their biology does not stop them from those gender expressions.

You come off as extremely confused, confused enough that you can't hold a discussion about the subject.

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>>8232956
Why not just take the meaning and fun out of everything and wear a burqa 24/7 so you make sure to never offend anyone ever and have no fun since fun is banned by muslims and since far-leftist worship at the altar of feelings and fear of muslims you should just practice being a faceless and silent genderless standing-in-solidarity-with boring person that will have died offending a single muslim or far-left gay-mafia-inspired 'PC police', the only kind of police you stand behind because it takes the rights of others away on the daily-changing terms of the so-called 'tolerant' left.

>>8232956
Because "masculine person" or "feminine person" doesn't exactly convey what their biological sex is. Besides it's easier to introduce yourself as a "man" than as "I am a feminine person."

>>8232999
jesus christ kek, calm down, transexual acceptance does not walk hand in hand with immigrant policy. And given that most of the right wants to take away our rights or deny us them in the future, I'm not sure what exactly you expect a group of people to choose the devil they know over the one they don't when people as angry and deranged as you typically shout in the same breath that fags should die.

>>8232997
>XXY male
>genderless

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>>8232988
Since the human brain is run by chemicals that need to remain in balance for proper function it is proper science to say that the brains of men and women are wired differently since we are biologically different. Women can be book smart. No one said they cannot but to imply we are equal is to be truly ignorant of settled science because you feel like pushing an anti-everything agenda including anti-logical conclusions in the name of 'science' but are just paid for by George Soros and his global change agents you're obsessed with listening to since they taught you to be ashamed of Western Civilizations that made modern life possible. BAKA, liberals are so stupid and it shows lolololol

>>8233010
Just change the words so "man" means "masculine person", etc.

>inb4 that's too hard
In case you haven't noticed it's already normal to call trans women ("feminine men" in your reckoning) "women".

>>8233021
>>8232977
What are you talking about?

Nobody understands what you're trying to say, you're binding in unrelated subjects with one another, and just making a complete mess out of everything.

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>>8233019
>XXY male

err, not exactly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

>>8230733
>But biology firmly keeps a person in one gender or the other
Wrong. Even "terfs" who want to gas trannies agree that biology is not destiny and, sure, you either produce sperm or eggs but whether you wear a tutu dress or pants is not written in your biology.
Most people are happily confined to their "designated gender street" because it's more convenient for them but anyone can be gender non-conforming.

>>8232997
Yawn. Liberal propaganda in foreign languages is impressive to Yale grads and other retarded liberal loser institutions that parrot ANYTHING you wish as long as it is ridiculous and anti-science and has no facts to back up it's claim which is why foreign documentaries aren't considered actual science but an opinion piece funded by far-left leaning institutions. Nice try at convincing me there are 125,254,986,537,624 genders. There's not.

>>8230669
In my opinion, the "gender is a spectrum" talk is pushed by people who either confuse gender with presentation, or have limited ideas about what genders are.
OP mentioned using a stereotypical view of gender to define the spectrum and that's what often happens.

In my opinion it's also a reason why you see A LOT more gender spectrum or non-binary FtM than non-binary MtF. FtM are not encouraged to identify as male due to ideas about toxic/predatory masculinity being very common in trans communities. They also get a lot less shit from society is they seem androgynous. Meanwhile, for MtFs it's more like either you pass fully as a woman or you die. Besides, due to feminist ideas being prevalent in most trans communities, MtFs aren't encourage to celebrate their masculine side.

To me there's a binary, cause human sex works according to a binary, and people who don't follow it are either trans people who haven't found themselves yet, and / or gender non conformist people who think their personal preferences are a new gender.

>>8233025
>Just change the words so "man" means "masculine person", etc.
But that's not what it means. A man is a male human capable of producing a specific type of gamete called "sperm." Equating "man" to "masculine" is, pardon my French, a made-up construct.

>>8233035
>that feel when some dude has more shapely tits than me
just kys me f a m

>>8233027
Farts make the best green energy so says Stephen King the "green energy expert" guy. They also make you gay if you fart hard enough because being gay is just like fucking shit. Sure, it's nice and warm at first but then it gets dry and crusty and smells as bad as it tastes yet you still lick shit covered dicks like a lollipop because you're proving that you stand in solidarity with illiberal-ism and backwards logic so you don't get shunned away from the 'cool kids' table. Genderless solidarity-standing liberals make no sense. LGBT in a nutshell:"LOOK AT ME AND MY 24/7/365 GAY ASS PUBLIC PRIDE! REEEEEEE I'M A HOMOTARD! REEEEEE CELEBRATE MY DYSFUNCTION! REEEEEEEEEEEE"
>be you nodding in agreement because you cannot afford the social isolation of not always obeying your liberal overlords.

A Cis-male is a man who produces sperm, and has a male gene, but male in general can just be an identity

>>8233076
A Cis-male is a fake-ass term invented by regressive liberals who are ashamed to be the gender they were created to be and instead try and shame the literal 99% of the population that doesn't so easily fall for genital-hating propaganda liberals have.

>>8233021
>muh political correctness
>muh Soros
>muh "science"
>muh globalism
You lost your credibility the day you were born. Now be a good Darwinist failure and kill yourself.

if you like traps. you're fucking gay.

>>8233075
>>8233021
>>8232977

You sound like a future school shooter tbqh funpapa

>>8233097
Funny you mention i should kill myself. Since you're a lemming/liberal you must do as you're told and so you MUST go to a death by dignity clinic and livestream your totally humane and easy ingestion of a drug cocktail to prove to the rest of the world how awesome and effective death by dignity is! Those in stand in genderless solidarity must prove themselves that ALL liberal concepts are totally thought out! Funny how no 'woke' biologically female liberal has live streamed her abortion to show how easy and empowering it is! Chelsea is to blame for Billary's election loss because according to liberals "Only empowered women support abortion". Chelsea took all of Billary's power so why not advocate you and Chelsea visit the abortion/death by dignity clinic together then you can have your own hashtag diplomacy campaign! You Go-Gurt Gurl! Er Xe er Ze er Capri er manatee or whatever pronoun you invented in the last 30 seconds to describe your totez legit and newly woke 'gender' feels.

>>8233151
LOL

>>8233106
Since most mass shooters turn out to be crazed liberals/muslims (i repeat myself) you really should hate on your own in public like that. Don't you need to strike a pose of virtue 24/7/365 while never backing any of it up with action in the real world besides wearing masks and justifying violence against those who *GASP* have a different opinion than you and your endlessly gendered pseudo-kin.

>>8230669
To quote the cis-gendered Buzz Lightyear "You're a sad little man."

>>8233021
>women are mentally inferior
and there you have it, you've broken your own case, not that you will be able acknowledge it given how vitriolically you believe the bullshit you seem to spout.

Heres the straight science. If men and womens minds are different there is no reason to pretend gender identity dysphoria is unscientific, It litterally relies on male and female minds being just different enough that the body no longer feels like it fits. ergo, there are not two genders. a spectrum that matches the granularity of evolution

>>8233041
then you're an idiot pretending intersexed people don't exist and evolution isn't real.

>>8233191
Cut off your balls and you have no gender and also physically destroy yourself. Why fall for harmful and self-harming ideology just because it is fashionable for the moment? It's like you want to believe the bullshit you spout but stop at taking a knife to your balls and starting hormone injections and then telling us that your brain has not gone through a single change either. Why not prove how awesome and painless death by dignity is since that's also another crackpot idea thought up by liberals who like to pretend they're tolerant while secretly pushing all cis-gendered people to feel shame about not being confused on a daily basis what gender they think they are at any given moment. LOL. Go do meth with your genderless friends while wearing your pride cape and making a fool of yourself even more than you already have.

>>8232855
>>8232993

I can hold a discussion just fine, and I'm very aware that biology does not stop a person from expressing themselves however they want to. The problem, however, is you cannot put gender on spectrum on one hand and say that men and women can express themselves however they want on the other hand. Without biology, putting all the genders on a spectrum would mean that each gender/point on the spectrum must be defined in a way that it's separate from every other point. This just reinforces gender stereotypes and would not allow for any fluidity in expression, lest you don't have a spectrum.

Think of the color spectrum. If yellow was a person, could he/she be any wavelength they wanted to (gender expression) yet still identify as yellow? I didn't think so, and we would not have a color spectrum if this were the case.

>>8232981
>When you already realize sex binary is bullshit.

Saying that sex is not binary because of intersex individuals is like saying that people are not bipedal because of individuals born without legs. The exception does not even come close to disproving the rule.

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>>8233242
wow, much science in this post. i am overwealmed by your proofs that gender is not granular and that evolution is wrong

>why not kill yourself
some trans people do, but many feel the treatments they are able to recieve thanks to modern medicine reduces their symptoms and raises their quality of life enough.

>>8233198
Plot twist: I am myself intersex.
Human sex is binary by nature. Doesn't mean some people like me can't have a bit of both female and male, but, as you might have noticed in what I just said, intersex have a bit of both male and female.
Sexed characteristic are either male or female. There's no third sex. It's testo or estrogens. Clit or penis. Vagina or scrotum. Each characteristic is binary (and I'm not even accounting for gender or dysphoria here). Sure, all those characteristics, when put together, can create something that isn't clearly biologically male or female, like me for instance, but there's no such thing as a sexed characteristic that belongs to a sex other than male or female.

Also what even do you mean by me pretending evolution aint real?

>>8233291
>>When you already realize sex binary is bullshit.
>Saying that sex is not binary because of intersex individuals is like saying that people are not bipedal because of individuals born without legs. The exception does not even come close to disproving the rule.
except there isn't a rule, some people aren't bipedal, you just gave an example of some people that aren't. Pretending that all people are bipedal or can walk is not something we do, we make wheel chair access and other conviniences for those who have injuries or won the genetic antilottery. Everyone will tell you humans have legs yes, but that is not a "rule" and how we handle exceptions is exactly what defines social progress. We accept that people can be born without legs arms and even sight and hearing, but it seems incomprehensible to you that we treat patients who where born with conditions like GID in the way modern medicine has scientifically determined is the most effective way to reduce their symptoms.

>you must be able to plot each thing on a spectrum.
This is like saying a rainbow cant exist because you can't name every single individual combination of colors in a meaningful fashion (IE that ordinariy people can tell apart) Gender is on a spectrum, the fact that it is does not necessitate the ability to categorize every level. Infact the root cause of gender being on a spectrum makes this retardedly difficult as except for a few commonalities we see time and again most of the nuance is lost in individual mutations on gene changes from both the patient and the mother's.

Again, read >>8232820
>>8232860
you are wrong, and need to re-educate yourself on how the science functions

>>8230669
Why would anyone want it to be a spectrum?
The only people who don't identify as "man" or "woman" are disgusting freaks who have no chance of getting employed decently or making it in the real world because they look like drag queens

>>8233307
>some trans people do, but many feel the treatments they are able to recieve thanks to modern medicine reduces their symptoms and raises their quality of life enough.

YAWN. Yeah. We know you ignore the mental distress red flags and tell people that there's nothing wrong with being trans when merely echoing that sentiment at a cultural level for decades has only increased said suicide rate and instead of looking at where the problem actually is, within the person, you lay blame and invented the butt-hurt-feelings industry to have perpetual boogeymen to blame and never be insightful enough to recognize that just enabling self-destructive behaviors in one area doesn't mean people like me who see where your ignorance starts will let you get away with being ignorant because it makes you feel superior to others which is the REAL reason you stick with being an eternally butt-hurt liberal spouting the latest DNC talking point even if it is contradictory to statements made under President Bill Clinton when you know those evil dems allowed the passage of Don't Ask Don't Tell and 0bama is against so-called gay marriage until he has secured the DNC nomination then magically 'evolves' on the issue when everyone knows he was just trying to fool everyone and it worked. You sure like to make it clear that the failings of progressives to see the warning signs of mental distress just can't be blamed on anyone else but the person with the struggle. Making excuses for others doesn't make it right. It just means you need to get a job and occupy your time with something productive and not gay as fuck.

>>8233344
>It's binary
no, you idiot. it's not. but that seems to be a problem with your understanding of what binary means. Binary doesn't make allowances for what you are referring to. it means yes, or no, on or off, boolean. There is no room in a binary system for individual traits, the whole thing Male, or Female, is taken as a package. furthermore when discussing evolution as a whole, Gendered traits are only gendered becuase of the current successful niche and our bias towards it. The behavior of certain species like seahorse show how some traits are not necissarily "female". The idea of female and male itself is based on the preconcieved notion of a set of traits that are currently successful, and yet we see traits like those in hyhenas. are they no longer female? do they have male "Traits"? what makes those traits male?

There is almost no clear cut answer to these questions that don't end up being completely divorced from the modern usage of sex, gender, and identity, even among the most conservative opinions on the matter. Ergo the idea that sex is binary is wrong for this very reason. `

>>8233390
listen you retard, I may not be good at grammar, but even I use some punctuation.
aside from your great and powerful projection theres really only one thing in this verbal diarrhea worth responding to.

>you lay blame and invented the butt-hurt-feelings industry to have perpetual boogeymen to blame
being trans in this day and age, with the connections and surgery available, there is no concievable way I would believe our suicide rate is increasing, let alone that it is caused by some kind of boogyman. Odds are you swallowed some retarded decades old evidence. which seems likely given you don't understant what this "." is for.

>>8233291
>Saying that sex is not binary because of intersex individuals is like saying that people are not bipedal because of individuals born without legs. The exception does not even come close to disproving the rule.
Problem here is that your kind will claim that people cannot have more, nor less, than 2 legs. That anyone who claim to only have 1 leg are lying, because it doesn't exist.

>>8233307
Again, where is your post cutting off your balls and proving once and for all brains are totes vanilla vessels with zero difference between them even though many differences exist in physical form you're going to play pretend and say that physical identifiers are totally useless because your 'woke' feels are now 'science'? LOL! I think you just want to play dress up like you saw Bugs Bunny do and instead of taking it for the humor it was meant to be you saw yourself as a girl wabbit. Keep being all 'sciene-y' cuz like Bill Nye you'll teach one thing in 1996 based on biology and in 2017 create a sex junk song that forces a re-edit of the original claims from the 1996 broadcast.

>>8233413
That's not what Binary is, or at least not in biological and social terms. There's nothing other than male and female, but doesn't mean an individual can't have both sets, making it ambiguous. Despite being ambiguous, the characteristics are still either male or female, they cannot be of a "3rd" sex, as there are no sex hormones to develop into a 3rd sex.

>>8233454
I actually hope to never become as much of a nuclear denying moron as bill nye
you seem to be incapable of understanding basic conversation skills like not projecting your own personal beliefs and insecurities over the views of others such as pretending you know what I think and believe better than I do. I think you read way too many comic books if you think you can read peoples minds across the internet, or at all.

Brains are affected by hormone replacement therapy. they are affected positively in many cases such as GID and people with hormonal imbalances, and negatively, in the case where it is not needed and supported by moronic chads who think hormonz will give them that nice six pack

>>8233464
>That's not what Binary is, or at least not in biological and social terms.
you are wrong, and if you don't understand this, I suggest going to somewhere less sheltered to claim gender binary doesn't represet two inaliable sexes rather than a set of interchangable characteristics that are gendered like words.

And that brings us to biology, where you are also wrong becuase again, like gendered words, the gender is arbitrary, they describe a current but not necessarily inevitable phenomenon. Ergo, the traits you insist are sexed cannot be innately sexed because their relation to gender is statistical and not innate. Very very few traits are inately male and female.

as for there being no third sex. I have seen no evidence of one, but to gender certain attributes for no reason other than they belonged to a certain gender when we evolved to be smart enough to acknowledge that they exist does not follow the teachings of scientific rigor and biology

I wish they would make evolutionary biology among other biology courses mandatory to all you stupid mofos.

>>8233521
>1111111111
>000000000
This is what you claim binary is, a straight line with only 0's or 1's.

>101110010110
This is still binary, despite having a mix of 1's and 0's.

>>8233354
By "rule" I did not mean a 100% completely infallible description of human beings. There will always be exceptions, and I agree that the ways we treat the deaf, limbless, etc. defines progress. The issue I have is when people try to blur the sex binary with extremely rare exceptions (less than 1% of people) and then make sex out like it's not a settled fact or say that it's even on a spectrum itself. Statistical anomalies are not enough to blur what is already a very settled matter.

>This is like saying a rainbow cant exist because you can't name every single individual combination of colors in a meaningful fashion (IE that ordinary people can tell apart)

True, but there are wavelengths when one color ends and another begins. This is what makes color a spectrum, and I can assure you that there are no significant spillovers in color wavelengths. Saying that gender is on such a spectrum, yet give men and women the freedom to
express themselves however they want to and identify however they want to would make classification a fucking disaster. You cannot have a gender spectrum without gender classifications/stereotypes, which MANY men and women who still wish to identify as men and women would inevitably not fit in. Light and Sound do not have this problem.