So how bad is prison? I want to try being the only girl around.

have fun going to seg aka the shoe, the hole ect.

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>>8218706
Prisons generally reflect the quality of life of the country they're located in. For example, Swedish and Norwegian prisons are basically like a shittier hotel, pic related. Meanwhile in 3rd world countries like Brazil, USA or Russia the prison is a living hell.

>>8218721
???

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>>8218736
And yet, despite hellish prisons, the "3rd world" nations of USA and Russia are far more powerful than Sweden and Norway

>>8218736
Midwestern USA, state prison. Yeah lots of differences but I assume the roles are the same. Would I get raped by everyone, by my protector, or by him and his gang? I'm really only fine with being raped by one guy.

>>8218831
quality of life has little to do with military power. low-born roman citizens didn't live very well either. in fact much of rome's poor lived worse than the slaves of wealthy households did.

however
>Prisons generally reflect the quality of life of the country they're located in.
this isn't entirely accurate, as the purpose of prisons in the US is different than in more socialist countries. the US has for-profit prisons, and those who are arrested are basically a free labor force. only a fool would compare average quality of life in russia to that of the US, while their prisons may appear similar.

>>8218845
You might not get raped at all. You might be raped by one man one time. You might be that man's bitch for your entire time. You might be passed around every evening by a gang of old scumbags, played with by endless new sets of greasy hands, like the only gameboy at a boys summer camp. It depends on your company. It is a roll of the dice.

>>8218845
>falling for the monogamy meme

>>8218736
WTF. If that was an apartment it would cost $1k/month in a lot of US cities.

>>8218880
Can't you target a certain type of person to influence that?
>>8218882
Guys in prison have that monogamy meme so it's either monogamy or prostitution asset, no polygamy.

>>8218736
?commit mass murder in scandanavia
>get sentenced to live in a nice apartment
How are those countries so peaceful? How are they not killing each other every time they're sentence is up?

>>8218943
It's because they are still overwhelmingly white unlike Brazil or America. But that will change soon with all the migrants they're taking in.

>>8218706
UK fag whos been to prison.
First off they put all gays and trannies on the sex offender wing, even though we aren't sex offenders.
Idk why they do this, they think we're too soft to be in the main prison or something.
The moment I got on the wing I was chased by other gay guys. There was one who I thought was my friend (he was in there for getting a blowjob on a bus). He told me just before he left that he talked to me because I was cute and he could basically pimp me out to the old paedophiles in there.
A lot of the men on the wing were old paedophiles and being the naive cunt I am, I trusted them when they said they were innocent and made friends with them (after my gay friend set me up with them).
They'd give me food and constantly offer to buy me things. One guy offered me 20k to pay off my debts, but I think he was just sweet and loaded.
I made friends with another old man who I thought was innocent, then one morning he got me into his cell and told me he'd love me to walk in naked and lie down so he could oil up my body and lay on top of me. That fucked with my head because he was an organist at a boys school, and I had been molested at school by the fucking organist. I'd had a nightmare the night before he came into me about it so I literally thought god was showing me shit.
I didn't eat at all after that and lost 10kg in a week.
Another gay guy but this one was a paedophile with a teenage Chinese bf tried to groom me but he was creepy so I avoided him. He'd force shit on me just to talk to me but I tried to stay away.

I refused to shower after a guy literally came up to the shower and started talking to me while I was butt naked. Another guy pretended to look through the newspaper bins outside the shower but I caught him looking at me. After those events in the first week I just bathed in my cell using the sink.

Then I moved to another prison and this time didn't tell them I was as gay and was put in the main prison, not the sex offenders wing.

>>8219924
I made good friends with a tranny eventually she's great but idk where she is now. She was psychotic like me so we vibes. She was in there for breaching a restraining order.
I made friends with this other young gay guy who was in there for a month for mobile phone insurance fraud.
Most of the people are okay but there are a lot of sickos especially on the sex offenders wing who groom you and fuck with your head.
I was so fucked up in there I had to see two psychiatrists a week and a therapist, two psychologists, they forced me to do yoga and see the drug counsellors. The charity the samaritans assigned me two listeners for myself who I never used because I don't like talking to men.
It's not hard it's just the perverts who fuck with your mind. They see young flesh and morph into instant paedo grooming state.
I was constantly triggered in there by the paedos which made people think I was insane.

I eventually moved to another prison after my court date was pushed back (I was on remand awaiting psychiatric reports through all of this) and I didn't tell them I was gay so I was put on the main prison wing.

The first night there this hot as fuck guy shouted up the stairs on the wing at me "do you know what a rusty trumbone is? Do you want one?"
I said no but I should have said yes. The guys in the main prison blocks are a lot hotter than the perverts on the paedo wing.
The difference is they don't try to groom you.
I had guys literally offering me money to straight up suck their dicks. I had guys openly checking out my ass and telling me to turn around so they could look at it.
This one former Syrian soldier who was super fucking hot. His body was perfect, he looked white and had curly shoulder length hair and a hot as fuck face.
He got my friend to ask me if I'm gay and I said yes. He caught me praying in my cell one morning and from that day he became obsessed with getting in my arse. He said that I wasn't praying and I was trying to tease him on purpose

>>8219963
He'd touch my ass on the landing and say it's a joke. He and his less hot Russian friend would constantly ask me for blowjobs. He asked me what time I shower. He grabbed me and said no one can touch me to this other guy.
He dragged me into his cell with his friend and pushed me onto his toilet and told me to suck his dick. I said no.
He pinned me to my friends bed, spread my legs and dry humped me. I was legit scared he was going to rape me that time.

Then one day I went into his cell and told him I liked him and he immediately told me.
I'm a Muslim, I'm not gay. I've fucked 10 little boys like you but I'm not gay. He said he doesn't like me anymore and he's lucky he doesn't beat me up.

After that he stopped harassing me which I was relieved about desu.

I made friends with this straight guy who was as fucked up as me and we had a bromance, he left the week before I did. He said we'd need up but we live so far from each other

There was this gay kid who crushed hard on me but I'm not into twinks so I just kept it as a friendship. He was an attention seeker and followed me around.

The most fucked up thing is I went to court after eight months of being on remand and I got sentenced to six weeks lol.
I won't get that time back.
There's no compensation.
Just all of that time gone haha.

>>8218943
>How are those countries so peaceful?
We don't have niggers like you do. But it's soon to be changed sadly...

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>>8219924
>>8219963
>>8219975
Wow thanks. Such a cool experience. I always wanted to try prison but now I want to try it even more. Not being able to travel to most countries afterwards is the only bad side to me.

>>8220032
>t. burger pretending to be an European
Niggers in Europe (except for Somalis) are just normal nonviolent people.

>>8218831
I found the biggest fag on the board.

>>8220054
Are you being facetious....?

>>8220064
You're retarded.

t. frog

>>8219924
>One guy offered me 20k to pay off my debts, but I think he was just sweet and loaded.
What did you have to do to get the money?

When you got moved was the main prison better after all?

>>8218943
Because rehabilitation is what solves crime, not punishment. Deterrence does not work and anyone who claims otherwise is literally just arguing with feels.

>>8220438
Depending on the crime though, rehabilitation shouldn't be the answer, and of course if they're actually caught in the act.

In the case of murder, and the like, life time sentences in slavery should be the punishment.
Make the conditions liveable I guess, to increase productivity... But they should never get to see family, or be outside the labor camp, ever again.

>>8220454
But for females slavery could be prostitution outside the labor camp.

>>8220375
>There was this gay kid who crushed hard on me but I'm not into twinks so I just kept it as a friendship. He was an attention seeker and followed me around.
Sorry if it was a bad experience to you but that kid probably had the time of his life there.

If you don't go out much and can do with books instead of internet a Western prison seems like a great place for a gay guy.

>>8218706
>SISSY

In prisons here (Brazil), all gays and traps are separated and isolated, not by the guards, but by the prisoners themselves. They are treated as a lower caste (haryens for exemple), not allowed to touch anything.

>>8220468
No?
They're still to do the same labour.

They should be considered dead, their purpose is to produce items cheaply for the rest of society.
If they try to escape, or hurt another prisoner, then shoot on sight. Have a lot of "shoot holes", so that personnel can be kept to a minimum, and so that there really never needs to be any contact with the prisoners (safety measure). Of course, if they don't perform their work, you kill them as well. You may as well keep them underfed, so that they're all skinny with little muscle-mass, to make it harder for them to escape and to increase safety.

Prostitution isn't ethical, it's something certain people do because they usually don't have a choice, the prisoners wouldn't be some kind of tool for others to commit crimes on without punishment.
The only justified punishment for a murderer is to kill him/her, possibly add in some torture first... But that doesn't actually help society, using them for profit first, to then have them killed, is a much better option

>>8220496
>Prostitution isn't ethical,
t. execution, torture and slavery advocate

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>>8218736
>that
> a shittier hotel
Mfw

>>8220454
But why?

>>8220508
They've ended somebodies life, against that somebodies will.
That person had hopes, and dreams, things they wanted to do in life, they had felt happiness, maybe they finally go through something difficult... Until they were murdered, where they'd have gone through intense fear, and know that their life was ended (sometimes at least).

Someone who takes another persons life does not deserve to have a life themselves, nor do they deserve human rights.
Sure, if somebody turns themselves in after they've murdered, they could have a reduced sentence, say 20 years in that camp, and only released on trial at first... Then after release, they cannot get the benefits provided by the government anymore, and if they're caught with any crime, they'll be sent back indefinitely.

>>8220643
Because it's more beneficial for society, than it would be to just strictly execute them.

It's either that, or straight to the execution chamber, which does cause some difficulties when it comes to the possibility of false conviction.

>>8220669
But there are options outside of slavery and execution.

>>8220677
There aren't, they've murdered, they cannot be allowed to live anymore. Even if they could be rehabilitated into a productive member of society, it's not far for the victim, the murderer must die and suffer themselves.

It's the only empathetical way.

>>8220692
>There aren't, they've murdered, they cannot be allowed to live anymore
Why?
> Even if they could be rehabilitated into a productive member of society, it's not far for the victim, the murderer must die and suffer themselves.
What if the victim was an avid supporter of rehabilitation for murderers? You're just projecting that all murder victims must want their killer to be executed or enslaved.

>>8220692
>empathetical
???

>>8220395
I didn't have to do anything. I genuinely liked his company. He was a nice old guy... apparently he'd molested a kid or something when he was younger. But unlike the rest of them he admitted to me that he had a sex problem and he felt remorse about it. He was a really kind old man. If it was all a ruse to groom me he succeeded.

It was much better for my mental health. Being around a bunch of paedophiles and rapists really wasn't good for my mind. I acted seriously psychotic. The police came to the prison to interview me because someone reported that I'd been raped in my cell by two older men, which I hadn't been. But things like that really screwed with me.

The main prison definitely had more macho guys but they're just up front, there's no hidden agenda and I didn't get triggered because people weren't trying to groom me.

>>8220485
If you're a gay guy who's only concern in life is getting dick then I'm sure you'd love prison.
If you're a normal gay guy who enjoys freedom, being around friends and family, eating what you want, having a fucking iPhone and not being sexually harassed by closet cases, then no prison isn't good.

And no he hated prison. He constantly said he was feeling suicidal and also was getting groomed by older men. That's why he always tried to hang around me and ask me if I'd be his bf.

>>8218706
If you want to know what prison is like, just visit your local salvation army homeless shelter and stay for the night.
Most of them require that you enter the facility before 3pm and you can't leave until the next morning.
They check you for drugs and weapons and you sleep in a big room with bunk beds.
You shower in communal showers and eat donated food.
Seriously, try it and see what you think.
If you like blue collar blacks and latinos who are average looking and haven't had sex in a while you will probably enjoy it.
Many of them have just gotten out of prison and so they maintain the prison mentality.
If you are young, twinkish or look even slightly feminine you will get comments and sexual advances.

>>8218831
kek how is that even relevant.

>>8220692
>they've murdered, they cannot be allowed to live anymore.
i'm not entirely against death sentences for murderers but the fact is there's a significant % of wrongly accused who get executed. if you wrongly imprison someone you can make up for it, but if you kill someone that person is dead.

generally and regardless of the nature of the offense it's just in a society's self interest both economically and safety wise to rehabilitate its prisoners.

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>>8220381
frogniggers and i believe bongniggers are often muslim. here in austria they're mostly from mid africa, jesus loving and scared of the popo. there's a few darkie drug dealers but by and large they're friendly simpletons. the muslims here are all sandniggers

>>8220712
If you have empathy you will understand how it's the empathetical way.

>>8221058
Sure, which is why you only execute/send them off to labor camps, if it's a very clear cut case. Otherwise it'd be a less intense labor camp, or a standard US prison... Though, obviously, if you're caught attacking people and the likes, you'll just be sent to the actual labor camp.

>>8221058
>it's just in a society's self interest both economically and safety wise to rehabilitate its prisoners.
Also, this is wrong.

Society is better off if clear cases of murderers, they're sent of to labor camps. They'll produce things for free, which greatly increases living standards for society.

>>8218845
Rape fetishes seem hot, but you don't want to get raped for real. You are fucking retarded.

>>8219975
How old were you when you went to prison?

>>8221066
Aren't most Muslims in Austria, Turkish or from the Balkans?

>>8218767
If you are going to prison and being a tranny, you are either going to the womens prison or being isolated in segregation unit. Meaning no contact with other inmates for your own safety.

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>>8221605
ye but i was half counting turks as brownies. not too much of a difference ... and with the influx of '''refugees''' we do now have a lot of sandniggers.

>>8221076
>>8221090
>this is wrong
it really isn't objectively 'wrong' though: if it was, there wouldn't be widespread academic disagreement and debates about it (both the morality of it and the effectiveness / impact on society). a worldview like yours is based in the idea that the individual is fully and entirely responsible for themselves, environmental factors are to be disregarded and ignored, and that mercy and forgiveness are always seen as weakness regardless of how you or I personally judge such a worldview, it will undeniably correspond with a colder, less caring social climate. if you want that, go ahead - i don't have a horse in this race assuming you live in the US.

now the states ofc aren't a third world country like russia: the GDP per capita is higher, yes, but the economic disparity is comparable to that in russia, shit it's even comparable to some south american shitholes meaning while you have most of the world's billionaires and huge globally operating corporations making big bucks and hiding their $$$ in offshore bank accounts to make sure not a cent of it flows back into the economy, you also have a huge population of very low income households and poor people relative to the total population size. europe generally has a similar GDP to the US while maintaining a far less steep social hirarchy. this goes hand in hand with a more humane treatment of prisoners, it's a warmer social climate. i personally prefer that.

>>8218831

It amazes me that someone actually took that bait.

>>8221891
>a worldview like yours is based in the idea that the individual is fully and entirely responsible for themselves
Yeah, if you think keeping yourself from murdering somebody is some sort of big "responsibility", then I don't know, and I don't think you should be talking about anything moral.
Steal money, or whatever, but murdering somebody is on a completely different level.

>and that mercy and forgiveness are always seen as weakness regardless of how you or I personally judge such a worldview
Forgiving a murderer isn't "weakness", it's sociopaths.
That person ENDED another persons life, somebody who wanted to live, but will never again get to experience anything, everything good ended for them... Because the murderer decided to end that persons life.

The empathetical thing is to use that murderer for economical benefits, until the murderer dies. A murderer throws away humanity when they murder, they should no longer be treated as human beings, they're wild man hunting animals, and should be treated that way.

>it will undeniably correspond with a colder, less caring social climate.
Killing murderers will not create a colder social climate, it'll actually care about the victims, instead of trying to cater to the criminal.

>>8220577
What are you trying to say, that it looks like a good hotel?

>>8220438
Rehabilitation works with whites, not with niggers.

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>>8218868
>>8220342
>>8221058
>>8221935
You all took the bait.

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>>8222011
> '[if you think crime is influenced by environment] then I don't know, and I don't think you should be talking about anything moral.'
> 'Forgiving a murderer is [...] sociopaths.'
these are opinions backed up by nothing. you're not arguing m8. people in academia and law as well as the loved ones of victims themselves don't generally view this as clear cut and settled, there's a variety of opinions reflected by a variety of scholars and law codexes; hence again, you can have your personal edgy opinions all you want but there's no objective, general legitimacy to them

...

> The empathetical thing is to use that murderer for economical benefits
> until the murderer dies
> A murderer throws away humanity when they murder
> That person ENDED another persons life

> somebody who wanted to live
> but will never again get to experience anything
> everything good ended for them
> they should no longer be treated as human beings

> they're wild man hunting animals
nice blog post one question tho are you literally twelve years old

shit nigga if you wanna view everything as black and white issues catering to your personal sensibilities and emotional needs why join a the debate at all. all you're saying is 'X is like Y because I say so period'

>>8222159
good job fagit

>>8221076
There are almost no "very clear cut" cases. Even DNA evidence has been discovered to be inaccurate years after someone has been executed for it.

>>8218943
scandi prisons are better conditions but you have to more work there then normal prisons

>>8222183
>all you're saying is 'X is like Y because I say so period'
You think you're saying anything differently? You're retarded, and you haven't managed to come up with a single argument.

>>8222276
Get more CCTV, so that you can see if somebody was killed. Basically, get a camera in every apartment building, in every corridor. You won't even need somebody monitoring it 24/7, if somebody is dead in their apartments, it's caught on the tape.

Same goes for streets, though it's harder to find the suspect through those.

>>8222296
> You think you're saying anything differently? You're retarded, and you haven't managed to come up with a single argument.
yes, i have. multiple. maybe work on that reading comprehension friendo. all you got is your REEing and autismal shit-flinging .. fantasy scenarios that may work real nice in your head but aren't viable be-all-end-all-solutions in real world scenarios, such as:

> bla bla CCTV
masks.

>>8222325
>masks.
Most murder isn't calculated that well.

>>8220725
Dudes ever fuck trannies in there?

>>8221891
i just want to point out that this sentence is misguided
>it really isn't objectively 'wrong' though: if it was, there wouldn't be widespread academic disagreement and debates about it

opinions and debate dont matter, the truth matters. Say i discover some new fact called X, well when i first discover it I am literally the only person on the planet who knows it is true, word spread eventually most the people who have looked into agree with me and now about half of people think X is true. Eventually all but the old and ignorant know X is true. At no point during this process does the truth value of X change. It was true when it was only me who knew it, it was the same amount of true when the whole planet knew it.

>>8220692
empathy and revenge are useless, the faster society can move away from these things in our institutions the better everyone will be for it. Prison should be a disincentive so that members of society will evaluate the risks and rewards of crime and choose not commit it in the first place. Of course not everyone has good judgement (especially when drugs are involved) so there will always be people in prison even if the disincentives are perfect. But arbitrarily adminstering punishments based on what the criminal looks like (does he look like you, your family, your ethnicity, your nationality. etc), what their victim looks like, whether or not the victim is even a person (typically white-collar crime vs blue collar, corporations/banks/insurance companies dont have faces so we dont empathize with them) or any of the other trappings of empathy.

>>8222433
murder that needs solving probably is, more often than not.

>>8222656
>opinions and debate dont matter, the truth matters. Say i discover some new fact called X, well when i first discover it I am literally the only person on the planet who knows it is true, word spread eventually most the people who have looked into agree with me and now about half of people think X is true. Eventually all but the old and ignorant know X is true. At no point during this process does the truth value of X change. It was true when it was only me who knew it, it was the same amount of true when the whole planet knew it.
moral discourse and legislation isn't a hard science. those truths are often, at least to a certain degree, subjective, and regarding democratic legislation - its very legitimacy lies in consensus, so in that case, which is the case that was being argued about - i'd disagree.

>>8221593
22

>>8222608
My best friend was trans and guys hit on her. She had this ugly toothless guy who was obsessed with her.
She used him to buy her shit and got him to get his family to send her £150 to get her hair done and buy her a new outfit for when she left prison.
Lol

>>8223308
What a gigantic cunt.

>>8222955
You need to be sure before you execute somebody, so having even the straight forward crime on video is important.

>>8222656
Society is gonna work really well when people know that killing somebody doesn't harm them, and that even if you're murdered, your murderer will just get a slap on the wrist.
Murder is a disaster, and should not be dealt with in a "calculated" manner, get rid of them.

>>8218831
I'd rather live in a garden than a tank, even if the tank would win in combat.