/HRTGen/ HRT General 032: will Fenugreek make my boobs bigger? Edition

>>8200364
Ranma a cute. A CUTE.

>>8200773
I love you <3

I've been on hrt for 2 months now. I'm on 10/mg estradiol im injection a week and 25mg cypro a day. My nipples have become more sensitive, i've gotten buds under my nipples, and i do seem to have a little more fat around my chest than before, but never have my breasts/buds hurt. Like they're sensitive and if i hit them theyll hurt but I hear girls saying their breasts hurt spontaneously and mine dont. is this normal?

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when during the day is it best to take progynova? I've heard that it's best to take when you eat, is this true? when im on starting dose of 2mg is it better if i split it in 2 and take it twice a day?

Do I need a blood test before getting on AA?
What effects will I have if I get on AA but not E?

>>8201238
2-4 months is usually when breast growth starts. Be patient young trannywan, your boobies will hurt soon enough XD

>>8201319
the usual regime is to take one dose at night and one in the morning, as splitting the dose can help your levels stay consistent. However progynova has a longer half life than sublingual estrogen, so taking a full dose in one go may also be ok.

>>8201321
You dont NEED a blood test before you start, but it will give you an idea of where your levels are at, and if you might not need a full dose.

The main effect of AA and no E will be fatigue and possibly mental fog, and there are more serious long term consequences like osteoporosis if you are on AA with no E for years. So its best to only med AA for a short while before adding E

>>8202002
How do I go from Spiro to Cypro?
Do I need a blood test?

Are injections better than pills?

Anyone got tips for getting started in Canada? Alberta more specifically?

Does bica cause depression?

>>8200773

yes.

Ranma is a cute. CUTE!

Let me ask this because autist.

It says Raloxifene and Tamoxifen reduce tit growth. Does that just delay them until you stop or is there a window while you're taking drugs and you could miss it?

This is basically the difference between taking HRT to see if it fixes my face enough and then letting breasts grow if it did vs risking that I end up really awkward looking...

>>8204159
I'd guess you may risk never being able to grow natural breasts of you use those, or at best it'd be limited growth from what you could have had.
I'd say stay away if you think you ever want your own, though I only got speculations for you..

prescription needed when ordering/self medding online? inhouse pharm doesnt have bica but does have IM estrogens. border customs roulette?

>>8206128
>prescription needed when ordering/self medding online?
nope

>>8202222
No, just take cypro instead of spiro when its time for your next dose

>>8203649
not if you like being a femboy

why is qhi always out of stock

>>8206572
Or overlap for 2 weeks, just half the dose of Spiro.
I did what you said once and didn't feel to good for those weeks until Cypro kicked in.

>>8202843
Yes. They're better because they have way more bioavailable estrogen.

how can i selfmed in Poland? no idea where to buy and too anxious to go to therapist

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I started hormones about 3 or 4 months ago and I've noticed compared to last year that my hairline is receding and my hair is getting thinner. I can see my scalp through my hairline now and when I have my hair back it goes back further than I remember. Hair closest to my forehead isn't very long either compared to the rest of my head.

I'm on bicalutamide and reading on receding hairline a telltale issue is an overproduction of DHT, which Bica doesn't really do anything to solve.

I'm aware of stress, diet, etc. what not, but could my hormones be making me go bald? Bicalutamide stops androgens from binding but doesn't do anything about DHT right? Wondering if DHT is overflowing and killing my hair, which means I might have to look into a flat out AA instead, and if that doesn't fix the problem then I imagine it's just shit genetics as with everything about me.

Does HRT redistribute bodyfat I gained before starting?

>>8204454
That's what I mean, I don't know if any 6 months of E causes breasts to grow or just the first. God if your life is shit now, it'd have to be worse with your old face AND breasts.

>>8207303
DHT is an androgen, and is blocked by Bica. Also Bicalutamide is apparently the most effective anti-androgen at blocking DHT and reversing its affects. But cause bica is hard to monitor you can't be certain if your dose is high enough.

If you noticed your hair getting thinner after starting Bica, it is likely just shedding, witch is actually a good sign, because it means bica is working, and your hair follicles are ejecting bad hairs so they can recover from DHT, after the shedding phase you will get regrowth with healthier hairs

>>8207438
yes it just takes ages

>>8207598
To me I'd want breasts regardless because they're awesome x)
I was scared the first month or two on hrt too of course and questioning if I was going to regret it etc, but after that it faded and I just wanted (and still want) bigger ones lol.

>>8207619
Longer than gaining body fat after starting E?

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>>8207610
>Hair shedding bad hairs from DHT
This is actually a thing? I imagine having estrogens and lesser DHT going through your blood would mean fuller hair overall, if even it was 'DHT's hair'

>>8207228
Get bitcoin, go on inhousepharmacy and buy hormones

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>>8207786
Not them but I think hairs that are inactive, not dead but still present will shed sometimes when dht is blocked of because new hairs begins to grow in it's place.

>fuller hair overall
On the head yes, face and body will be the opposite as they are androgenic hair.

Femboi here Before when I was deluded by a slimy chaser people used to say gaining weight could help my masculine bones structure and make me "pass" now I don't really care about all that but I do want a bigger but and want some weight to my face cause right now I'm skeleton. 5'11 at 145lbs now what's a good weight for this height that may help me look trappier?

>>8207951
tfw me on the right

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>>8207984
>right now I'm skeleton. 5'11 at 145lbs now

>mfw I'm 5'8'' or 5'9'' and 120 pounds
>mfw I also have ATP and my life is death

>>8207984
at your height, 155lbs would be sheer perfection, so maybe eat a few more pizza?

>>8207984
5-8, 190lbs here. Kinda opposite, hoping losing some weight helps. So far I seem to pass but "you're a cow" is too common ;_;

>>8208043
I'm sorry anon :/ at least your a qt height being 5'11 is suffering not sure what apt is tho? Are you saying you wanna lose or gain weight very confused.

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>>8208043
>>8207984
>tfw 5'10 160lbs fatty

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>>8207951
Wouldn't this mean that you would eventually lose all your hair to regrow it back as 'healthier hair'?

>>8208102
Look like a girl to me.
>>8208043
>>8207984
Don't fall for the fat meme. Being skinny is a massive advantage. Simply exercise regularly including: running, flexibility training, squats (3 x12) and deads (3x6) and butt exercises. Hormones will do the rest.

But srsly, is it any 6 months on E grows breasts or only the 1st six months?

>>8208605
Not sure what you are asking, but...

The onset of breast growth can be very quick even within the first few months. Breasts can continue growing long into hrt, but growth is likely to plateau. If you are unhappy with your size add prometrium, although its effectiveness is disputed.

>>8208169
No silly, only the hair that has been damaged by DHT will shed, so only in recession and balding areas

>>8208813
What I mean is that Ranma graphic says some drugs can be taken to block breastfeeding growth like if you want to be a femboy. So do breasts only grow in months 1-6 or can I stop that drug and have them grow 6-12?

>>8209089
It's an uncharted territory, I'd only do it if I was ready to not have breasts.

>>8209141
Crap. So it's take E, risk breasts and man face or take E plus that for awhile, risk girl face and flat chest. Guess there's nothing to do but roll the dice.

>>8209175
I keep trying various cocktails or cycles of e and ralo, but I don't think it works. Probably best to stick to ralo alone.

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>>8209075
OK, thanks.

Good to know I'm not going bald then. I hope.

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>>8209197
I'm taking Ralo + Estro at the same time. (Alongside Bica)

50mg Bica, 60mg Ralox, 1mg Progynova.

I wasn't getting any feminization in the months I'd been on Ralox+Bica, so I figured if I saw some minor breast growth and/or aches and pains while adding Estro to the mix then I would stop it immediately since it indicates Estrogen is 'taking priority' in my body and that would eventually give me breasts, something I do not want.

I'm a guinnea pig in this regard. No one knows what adding Estrogen to the Bica+Ralox mix will even do, because generally the consensus is one or the other, just because Estrogen and Ralox 'sort of' fight another for dominance (Whichever one is strongest and binds), but due to the nature of Raloxifene it doesn't bind to breasts, and potentially other things as well. Which may be why I'm receiving no feminization, so I added the Estrogen to the mix to 'make up for what Raloxifene isn't touching', or if at least, to up my Estrogen count because I may be too low in that regard despite it being sound in theory.

I've been on it for a short time though, like under a week and my doctor and I are keeping an eye on me, periodic blood tests every month and stuff so I intend to put information out there when possible.

>>8209175
Although I guess girl face and flat chest would be easier to explain away. I'm worried about having to change jobs but I'm terrified of even asking anybody in my family a what if question for fear of the response.

>>8209175
>So it's take E, risk breasts and man face
Well, when taking E it's up to your genetics to decide if your man face goes away. You'll definitely get breasts though.

>take E plus that for awhile, risk girl face and flat chest.
Huh?

You make it sound like it goes either way when it comes to your face when you don't get a choice.

There's a medication (Raloxifene) you should take with Bicalutamide that allows you to not get breasts, but at the end of the day you're still getting estrogen in your system. So your face is irrelevant in this regard, it just comes down to genetics. You're not picking and choosing your face, you're just picking if you want tits or not.

>>8209352
Well, I get mixed signals about passing now. I haven't been raked over the coals here but I do need to consciously present (hair, makeup). I've never been called on it but my big hangup is facial hair. I can feel it even if I can't see it. So I'm at risk for over compensating. And being outed that way.

I feel really bad at shaving, like I couldn't go full time because I can't get a good reshave back to back. I'm getting laser for that transition or not. If it works, my confidence will get a huge boost. I still don't know if I'd pass without any makeup, so I want HRT to do that little bit to push me over the line.

I absolutely can't afford FFS so I'm worried about looking female from the only the neck down. Unless a sports bra is so magical I could hide them until I could afford reduction surgery to detransition.

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>>8209252
Thank you for the updates!

>>8209436
>not raked over coals
Much to my surprise too because I read /pol/ and figured this was the rawest site I could post a photo to not get hugboxed. I was terrified and had to get pretty loaded to throw caution to the wind.

>>8209075
Not them but how does DHT cause hair follicles sensitive to it to miniaturize? Does DHT need to bind to androgen receptors to have that effect or is it the presence of DHT itself in the blood and scalp(?) that causes miniaturization?

Would bica get rid of morning wood? I switched from cypro to bica ~3 weeks ago and after nothing since I started hrt, the past few mornings I've woken up with a boner and it's giving me terrible anxiety. Is this expected from bica or is my dose messed up?

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Hey guys! We got a cute discord server going :3
Come hangout in voice, play videogames and watch anime together? Or maybe use the nsfw channels and post lewd stuff or just enjoy it.

Join in now! https://discord.gg/kMHssvy

Someone a few threads ago was talking about testing PSA levels to gauge if bica was working or not. Was it testing if the PSA levels rise or fall?

First day trying progesterone (prometrium 100mg) today.. up the butt :3
Switched from Cypro to Bica a few weeks ago so will try cycle progesterone the first 15 days/month.
I'm also at 11 months hrt.

>>8211560
> cypro to bica
why?

>>8210067
Bica is weird as fuck starting out. Your testosterone, DHT and oestrogen levels all increase and the bica hasn't reached equilibrium yet so it makes you do and feel weird things, but this will settle around the 2-3 month mark generally :)

I am 176cm and have a shoe size of 6 UK male. Will I get any smaller in any of these or is that just a meme?

>>8211656
A meme, just like bica. It's hilarious, in less than a year we pretty much managed to get half of the board to switch to bica, which interacts with prolactin to causes people to develop aggressive prolactinoma lmfao!

Oh, sorry Alex, were we meant to keep it secret for longer? :^)

>>8211590
Cypro isn't really ideal anymore since I became a camgirl lol x)

>>8211691
Explain? According to https://doi.org/10.2165%2F00003088-199834050-00005, prolactin levels increase by about 40% on bicalutamide, but the references ranges on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactin#Reference_ranges suggest that typical female levels are 40% higher than typical 21-30 y/o male levels anyway. Is there some other interaction beyond just increasing prolactin levels? If so, could you provide a reference?

>>8211656
No, hormones wont decrease either.
But you're 1cm above in height, yet under in average shoe size so there's that for you.

>>8211796
oh...if you switch off cypro you can actually get erections and cum...is that why?

How long should i take cypro before i take bica?
>>8211691
huh explain? did you get some horrible illness or something because of your shit genes?

>>8212030
Well I don't know if or how much it all will return, but erections have become easier lately than they where, and yesterday was also the last day of my overlapping Cypro (I overlapped a few weeks during the switch).
And yes that's the idea, to regain more function at least, as for cum Idk, estrogen kinda affects that as well. Would be nice regarding the 'work' though, and I don't have much genital dysphoria anyway.

As for how long you should take Cypro before Bica? If wanting to switch to regain erections you could do that right away I guess, I just advice on overlapping a half dose of Cypro with the Bica for a few weeks when you do though, takes time to take full effect..
I was on Spiro the first 2 months, then on Cypro for 9 until now, but last month I was also on Bica.

As I also mentioned I started progesterone now too since Bica doesn't contain any, unlike Cypro which is a progestin.

>>8212217
How do the transexuals in porn get erections and shoot cum loads?I'm pretty sure they don take bica....but idk

>>8212244
There's a few tricks used in porn for faking cumshots, like they can use a syringe and shove fake jizz in the urethra.
Also penile injection therapy and viagra/cialis are used quite a bit in porn (not just by transexuals but male porn actors)

>>8212244
Some aren't even on hormones, just get breast implants and live on T, some are pre hrt a and will start eventually etc, I've also heard some cycle their hrt, and lastly for erections at least I guess Viagra would work.

>>8212030
Cypro is used to chemically castrate sex predators if the severity is harsh enough, to give you an idea of why Cypro is heavy stuff.

Bicalutamide fixes prostate cancer and general prostate issues. I had generic prostate issues and now my dick is working as fine as any other guys. Can't say I enjoy that change, but can't say I hate it either.

>>8212264
okay but what about the ones who look 100% fem and almost have to be on hormones?

>>8212308
Angels and lighting? Again cycling hormones (my guess), or being on Bica, if we can they can. Lucky genes etc or enough surgeries..
Also what this anon said I guess >>8212252

>>8210067
Bica reduced 99% of morning wood for me.
50mg/day

>>8211984
If what >>8211691 is saying is true, then he's clearly a sociopath who doesn't care enough to respond to you in any way.

>>8213000
I hate to use the term, but emoticons on this site are usually a red flag. And ":^)" is no normie emoticon anyway, it's basically troll face.
The post below also has a shitposting emoticon face so I'm surprised anyone responded, it was so thinly veiled.

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Hi /hrtgen/~

I did a salvia hormone test and I can't really use the hormone target range from the blood values for that.
My Estradiol is at 13,6pg/ml and it says that's in the ovulatory peak range (5,8-21,2pg/ml).
I'm taking 6mg Progynova, is that too much maybe?
Also should I get some DHEA or progesteone pills? I'm 8 months on hrt.

Thank you~

>>8213773
>I did a salvia hormone test
What was that like? Did you get to meet your hormones? What did they look like?

>>8214747
No I spit in 3 little plastic things, put it in an envelope and send it to some laboratory.

does WPATH support Bica? What options do we have when a WPATH/Vancouver provider gives spiro rx and refuses bica? I'm worried about the study saying spiro stunts boob growth. when is spiro not contraindicated for boob growth and lactation? I'm not even on E yet. Spiro alone treats my dysphoria symptoms - but i can feel it wear off after 10 hours. Bica has a half life of a week?!
thx

>>8209791
It "attacks" hair follicles that are sensitive to DHT, if your T levels are low enough however no/very little DHT will form

>>8214765
>>8213773
Saliva tests and finger-prick test that you mail in are super inaccurate.

You are best of paying for a private venous blood panel

Will I need to be on finasteride forever to keep regrown hair? Or can I get off once my T levels are low enough

>>8216801
Apparently salvia tests are actually more accurate than blood tests

>>8216826
Venous is the most accurate lol, otherwise doctors would never draw blood and would have everyone spit

>>8216826

I'm not sure what makes you think that saliva is better at telling you what's in your blood than your actual blood.

>>8216947
>>8217149
>Unlike blood-based tests, saliva diagnostics can measure the amount of free, unbound hormone that is available to act on a target tissue. About 95-99% of steroid hormones circulating in the bloodstream are bound to carrier proteins. Saliva contains unbound, bioavailable hormones. Therefore, salivary concentrations better represent circulating levels of free hormones, 1 which are likely to affect the body and be responsible for symptoms related to excessive or deficient hormone levels.
http://www.tecan.com/blog/saliva-hormone-testing-versus-blood-diagnostics

>>8216947
I bet you think doctors wouldn't encourage circumcision if it wasn't medically valid too.

I am very new to this, I want to do a complete transition, I'm 18 years old. Please any help explained easily is very appreciated, because I'm feeling very overwhelmed now, and I can't take being boymode for much longer whilest doing nothing.

>>8217356
My god posting that made me realise just how much feelings I've had bottled up with this. I'm just gonna go cry and watch transition timeline videos. Help is still needed though, I guess I should mention I'm mtf.

>>8217368
If you are a little too afraid to go under the table with the resources in the OP to buy HRT yourself, look up informed consent clinics in your area. Informed consent is the fastest official route as you tell them what you want, sign papers, get some bloodwork done and you walk out with a prescription.

Failing that, look for a therapist that deals with gender dysphoria. Make sure to ask them if they are able to write referrals to endocrinologists so you aren't wasting your money with someone who isn't going to get you on the road.

>>8213773
>Progesteron
Is this a Pokemon?

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Can someone help me gain some biochemistry understanding of two things relevant to this thread?

1) What does DHT come from?; Does it transform from Testosterone or does it get created alongside Testosterone as its own.
I'm unsure if an AA stops the creation of DHT, alongside Testosterone; Or it just stops Testosterone.

2) Bicalutamide is said to be really good at killing body hair after a period of time. Why is this?

>>8218207
>What does DHT come from?
Testosterone is converted to DHT by 5α-reductase. That's why 5α-reductase inhibitors are used to treat male pattern baldness.
>I'm unsure if an AA stops the creation of DHT, alongside Testosterone; Or it just stops Testosterone.
It depends on the antiandrogen. Spironolactone and cyproterone acetate decrease your testosterone levels, so there isn't as much testosterone available to be converted to DHT. Bicalutamide blocks the androgen receptor but does not inhibit the synthesis of testosterone, so your testosterone and DHT levels will actually increase. The increased levels don't matter though, because the androgen receptor is blocked.

>>8218292
All AA's block DHT and testosterone at the receptor level in some way, it's just that bica tends to do it the strongest followed by cypro then spiro.

You can combine finasteride or dutasteride with AAs for more effect as well.

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prolactinoma...

i've heard of people devloping this...PLEASE tell me how to avoid this.

I'm not scared of blood clots, breast cancer or anything else but this scares me so much...somebody help im so scared...i can't sleep at night.

(i'm gunna take cypro and estrofem in 2 weeks)

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>>8218411
There's nothing to be afraid of, really. Those posts you'll see and hear of people developing that are people who are suffering from the minor effects of HRT (Mood swings), people tend to think extremes of stuff so when they're mood swinging suddenly it's a huge issue when it's all part of the process.
But help you? There's nothing we can help you with. Just take it. Occupy your mind. Find out that it's going to literally not even happen to you unless you already have it as an existing problem that could have it be amplified, which you don't since you're only *now* getting worried about it.

Take them, keep your mind off your very irrational fear and then discover that nothing is going to happen besides minor side effects that usually happens.

Case in point, I started taking Progynova lately and had a really horrible stomach cramp which turned out to indicate a liver problem. I spoke to my doctor and he said that despite it feeling horrendous, is also normal and that it should subside. Days later it's getting better and better and now it's nearly gone entirely. I thought I would have to stop taking them, thus hindering everything. But nope!

>>8218411
The actual tumor is quite rare, even getting hyperprolactinaemia is relatively rare.
Just get your prolactin levels tested every once in a while. There are medications available to deal with it.

>>8218463
>hyperprolactinaemia
i have sickle cell anemia, idk if this makes it impossible for me to get this thing or increases my risk lol

>>8218469
I don't think the two would have any interaction, but I'm not sure. High prolactin levels is caused by issues at your pituitary gland. Sometimes people are susceptible to certain effects of medications and it can cause It, but it's not generally that common

>>8218469
>>8218586
Oh okay thanks, and i have the trait for sickle cell anemia not the actual disease thank god

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month and a half in (2 mg progynova) and i had a question.
whats the deal with mtf wearing chastity? i get its a kink and all but how? im barely in and almost to the point where i cant get it up

>>8219188
Multiple reasons:
>cute small feminine penis
>inability to get hard even if wanted to
>leaking clear fluid from the cage
>increased shrinkage and ability to fit in smaller and smaller cages
>forgetting about it after prolonged locking away
>no chance of it getting sucked on by chasers

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>>8219188

>>8219419
so (if i get this right) prolonged use shrinks the d? these are also all appealing as well is there a diy method?

>>8218032
no it's the hormone progesterone

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So I was self-medding for 3 months when I mentioned this to my doctor to get hormone tests, and she wanted to get involved, she signed me up for informed consent, and convinced me to switch to spironolactone and got me a prescription (100 mg/day). I was just trying out spiro because she thought it would be better to be able to guage my testosterone levels, and I was going to stay with it until I get tested again , but now after 2.5 weeks, my libido is back. Getting random erections, waking up in the middle of the night with a hard penis in my hand like a fucking manimal, and to top it off, my breasts are no longer sore and I think they've slowed or stopped growing. Fuck this noise, I'm popping a bicalutamide right now, fuck spironolactone, fuck libido, and fuck you stupid by-the-book doctor. I don't care if I can test my T inhibition, I don't care if I get free spiro, its just not doing the job. I'm hoping she gets me a prescription for bicalutamide, but if not I will self med anyway because it was working better for me.

>>8219951
100mg is kinda low, and spiro is shit, why are you on bica not cypro?

>>8219951
yah spiro is shit

but cypro work best to kill testosterone

>>8219994
>why are you on bica not cypro?
Because I'm not trans. I care about my genitalia even if I don't want it to control my life and my body.

>>8220017
A G P GET OUT

>>8220018
Fuck off, why can't I just be nonbinary in peace without 4chan and doctors and society gatekeeping gender-related body modifications for only binary trans people?

>>8219996
Bica stops testosterone better than anything else though.
Same shit different story though really. Bica is 'stronger' at doing what we want but performs it differently.

>>8219951
It's like this, you have the correct idea. You could go to 200mg of Spiro which is where you'd get similar effectiveness (morning wood, breast aches, etc) but Spiro is for all intents and purposes, cheap shit. If you're already on Bica and can afford it then there's no reason to not stay on it. The alternate is Cypro.

Your Doctor is just doing safe methods first, if you were taking Bica first and for that time period and saw success then you should've pushed back a little to demand her to prescribe Bica since you know it works and does exactly what you want it to.
If she doesn't prescribe it, find a new doctor basically or keep self medding, ya.

>>8220018
>Anon takes bica
>Talks about sore breasts
>Seemingly wants breasts even though not trans
Denial, AGP, call it what you want but let the Anon do their thing, it's their body.

People do much worse. Like those gigantic hoop earrings, I'll never understand those.

>>8220046
>demand her to prescribe Bica since you know it works and does exactly what you want it to.
Any tips on how to do this, I'm kind of intimidated since she's the doctor and has the power and all. I'm not sure how far I can push this whole informed consent thing (USA, very trans-friendly environment), do I just say "this is what I want to take now give me a prescription" or should I just keep hinting around that Bica worked better for me?

>>8220040
>>8220135
YU ARE a g p DELETEE yourself

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>>8220135
Literally say what you said regarding its effectiveness.

You were on bica for 3 months, did exactly what you wanted it to do. Now you've on Spiro and it's not doing what you want it to do. You want to go back to what worked, and that Spiro is cheap and you don't want to accept substitutes and cheap products, you want something that will work.
Tell her that if you can't get Bica locally, you'll simply get it online and self med. It seems like a threat but depending on the doctor it shows the severity of your seriousness. Your doctor may be the one who is smarter than you, but if you show that you're knowledgeable on the subject and that you know what you want, then they'll write you a prescription (private or otherwise).
Just tell her that you want to go through legitimate channels, local channels, so that you can keep going back to her to get blood tests done and have her help you with it, but if she's going to deny you what you want, then you'll just find another way and run the risk of not knowing what will happen (Since you wouldn't be monitored by a doctor, such as herself)

I was in a scenario like you, I posted about it on Femgen some months ago. Except that my doctor never ordered me Spiro and stuff, I waved the words in my post around and he said I was quite knowledgeable on the subject and agreed that how I'm going about it is appropriate and reasonable, just that spiro is an alternate if I felt the cost is too much-- Which is where I said that having anything other than Bica felt like cheap quality stuff, and that I want to do it right. Not fuck around.

>>8220221
Thanks!

What's the best anti-hair loss anti-androgen?

>>8221050
Bicalutamide. Blocks dht at the binding site.

>>8221412
Never been proven :P

DHT is stronger than bica, but bica is transcriptionally inactive so after you reach equilibrium bica will probably be okay but nobody knows for sure.

>>8219653
Yes it works. Other methods include:
>cypro
>tight panties/pants
>applying pm spray to genitals
>dipping balls in hot water

>>8222558
Pm spray?

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>>8221050
>>8221412
>>8221551
A DHT inhibitor like Fina or Dust. Even if Bica is amazing, what you have left can still convert to DHT. Even if you believe it doesn't bind, the only solution to fix the loss of hair loss is seriously to just kick the fucking shit out of DHT until it hits deep into the ground, and if you want to sprinkle some more onto it, up the estrogen count. But not needed, just a cherry on top.

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Can someone tell me if this is good and if there any adjustments I should make?

>50g Cyproterone per day
>4mg Estrofem per day

At what time of day should I take these 4 pills (2x Cyproterone and 2x Estrofem)?

Also, how do you take Estrofem and know it is working? I heard it has a firm coating which confuses me as to why it would be sublingually ingested.

*SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME*

>>8222651
>50g Cyproterone per day
>50g
>g
Enjoy your death!
Jk.

Take cypro with breakfast and dinner. Place the estrofem under your tongue until it dissolves (and don't swallow it) before bed and sometime in the morning, as close to 12 hours apart as you can.

>>8223215
Is the bio availability of cypro increased like spiro when taken with food?

My girlfriend of 2 years wants me to take estrogen so I can be more feminine

Thoughts

Does slowly upping your E dosage give you better results than just going straight to 4/6mg E in the first few months? Or does it not make a difference?

>>8224366
You need an antiandrogen too or else testosterone will prevent most effects. I suggest bicalutamide to retain genital function.

>>8224366
This is what happens when a natal males dates a repressing lesbian.

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>>8220017
people who take FEMALE FUCKING HORMONES and testerone blockers/alterers while NOT being trans are so fucking wierd to me.

I mean do what you want, nobody can stop you but yeesh, you're severely mentally ill and this is coming from a mentally ill transgirl

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>>8220046
>Bica stops testosterone better than anything else though.
Same shit different story though really. Bica is 'stronger' at doing what we want but performs it differently.

ALRIGHT NO MORE POST BELOW THIS LINE, we're settling this RIGHT NOW....
______________________________________

BICA.....OR CYPRO??? (spiro get fucked)
ONE OR THE OTHER...MONO E MONO.....THE DEBATE ENDS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>8224537
Want to kill dick? Cypro
No? Bica
Done

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>>8224552
that's IT? IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE?...WHAT ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS?

>>8224557
That's what it boils down to, read wiki for more details on both, both are bad for the liver regardless, cypro have a higher chance of causing depressions, both increases prolactine etc

>>8224451

I hear it's best to start low and gradually go up instead of going right into a typical dose. There's also no point in taking 6mg if you're in female range with 4, just depends on your results.

>>8224575
gradually go up over the course of like 6 months? or is that too soon as well?

>>8224721
you can up the dosages every month lol...maybe after 2 weeks if you're starting on like 2mg estrofem or something

>>8218460
aww you had your first period cramps

>>8224477
How can I find repressing lesbian that would be fine with boymode tranny?

>>8225301
Find a bi girl? She'll like you more and when the PsBi kicks in you can date the same guy together.

>>8225336
>polygamy
Disgusting.

>>8225371
What's more female than belonging to a harem?

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So according to pic related, I should go on Estradiol, but In-house Pharmacy had a bunch of stuff called Oestradiol, is this the same thing, or is it listed as something else on the website?

>>8222643
pueraria mirifica

>>8225452
Same thing.

>>8222558
I don't think tight pants or hot water shrink your penis. Hot water on testicles can cause atrophy if you hit like 43C to 50C for prolonged periods over many days though, at least according to all the bizarre animal studies done on it.
But the only reason hot water on testicles works in the first place is it prevents sweating from cooling your nuts down. If they have access to open air you won't ever hit temps high enough for damage which is why stuff like a hot laptop is merely temporary sperm reduction and nothing bad really happens.

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>>8225020
I don't think an intense stomach pain that's twisting my guts is a period cramp since I don't have a hymen.

Though ever since starting Progynova I have been excessively hungry. Very very much so.

A month ago I could eat half a pizza and be full, last night i've eaten the most I've ever eaten in years (three full meals and a pizza after) because I just have a ridiculous amount of hunger that comes back within' an hour or less after eating and it's driving me a bit crazy since I've just lost around 9kg since December I feel like I'm going backwards.
That and hunger pains throughout the day is horrendous.

>>8225737
Or should correct that, in most studies they just dipped the animal balls in water that was like 47C, for about 30-45mins/day for several weeks, and it caused irreversible atrophy.
I believe they did it on goats or something lol

>>8225746
I heard the romans used to do this to stop themselves from getting girls pregnant but it was only temporary

>>8225758
Yeah I don't think there's been a conclusive story on what it does to humans. I've also heard the same stories, and for a brief time in the 60s and 70s it was recommended by some doctors for couples unable to use female birth control. I heard one story of a guy that did it and it was actually mostly permanent. His effects lasted years and even when his sperm count rose they all zero mobility so he was effectively sterile for like a decade or something like that.
It did for sure actually damage the physical organs in testes in animals though in the studies that have been done. Has to do with the release of shock proteins in temperatures too high for your body to adjust to without evaporation (which in water won't occur)

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>>8223215
Should I increase the dosage of Estrofem or Cyproterone at all?

I can't take a blood test so I feel like I should be on the safe side.

>>8224451
>>8224721

There's no information on how increasing E fast affects you, but you should still start slowly because it's what we know works. Personally, I just went from 2 to 6mg E in the first two months based on blood tests and everything is going fine

My spironolactone ran out and the doctor isn't home to prescribe more until monday. I usually take 250mg a day, but only have two 100mg pills left. Will it fuck up my levels too much if I take smaller dosages each of the next 3 days? I'm really afraid now. I thought I had more spironolactone in my prescription :(

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How dumb would I look if I hunched my shoulers like this when sitting?

>>8225971
Stick with what you have. If you were worried about the dose because of anon making fun about it, that's just because you said grams, not milligrams. We know what you meant but Anon was playing onto that because you'd be dead if you took like, quarter a cup worth of hormones.

Your doses are fine.

>>8226053
My shoulders naturally do that due to bad bone structure. I would definitely suggest not doing it as it messed with your spine and shoulder blade angles

>>8226022
3 days is negligible in the grand scheme of things, if you can get straight back on 250mg after 3 days it wont be any problem. just don't let missing doses become a common occurrence

so what would happen if I only take bica without any estrogen? would it still make me more feminine or would my T levels increase??? im so lost

>>8226279
Bica stops testosterone from binding.
Testosterone then floats around in your blood stream, doing nothing.
So it converts itself into estrogen.
Bicalutamide blocks testosterone, not estrogen.
So then the estrogen binds.

>>8225721
Then why is it sometimes estradiol and sometimes oestradiol?

>>8226579
Europe and US different spelling I believe

>>8226352
any reason why taking bicca gave me hives? I wanted to replace cypro with it since being a femboy cypro is overkill. also what would happen if I just got my balls removed would I become as asexual as a house cat?

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On HRT for a month now.

I feel like I have depression peeks, but I'm feeling super horny in the morning, not morning wood of course, but like I feel hot and butterflies. Is that normal? I didn't expect that sort of thing.

I have about an inch receding hairline, will bica or cypro help this or is a hair transplant in my near future?

>>8226727
You can try bica or cypro With fina or duta And optionally minoxidil, hairline is the hardest part to regrow though, dead hairs will not regrow, inactive ones may.

>>8226352
Really? interesting, testosterone in your bloodstream randomly converting itself into estrogen.. Thanks for the answer though, guess i'll try bica with raloxifene and see how that works out.

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>>8226071
I know he was joking but I'm just worrying if I should be on the safe side and take more than that as I don't want to be on it for months and the dose was weak.

I was also wondering if I should take an alternative to any of these two medicines or add anything else on.

>drunk and on benzos
>phone calendar reminder to take lupron shot goes off
>ah yea it's time
>while pushing air out of the syringe accidentally squirt some lupron out of the needle and into the air

Fug. Should I take another shot and hope my endo is willing to send in another prescription for me, or just hope I got enough and deal?

>>8226628
>any reason why taking bicca gave me hives?
I got tiny little rashes on my triceps, no pain or itching, just slight bumps. Must be a side effect. How bad was yours?

>>8226837
>just hope I got enough and deal?
This. tough shit, kid.
>>8226811
4mg E is a typical dose. If your blood tests show that your E level is low after several months you could increase to 6mg.
Many trans women take progesterone as well, usually starting around the 6month-2yrs mark. Some say it helps breast growth, some say it doesn't, and personally I found that it only caused my breasts to temporarily swell, not permanent growth.
Also a couple of anons here are experimenting with taking cypro + bica together, but thats not proven yet.
I personally also take daily multivitamins just to make sure my body has everything it needs for the process.

>>8226734
Yeah, I guess I'll save up a bit just in case. It's my only really dominant masc trait aside from body hair (damn Italian genes) but at least I can wax that

>>8226844
Wait seriously? I get this too but I just thought it was me having a bad shave on my arms or something.

That's interesting.

Mine doesn't hurt or itch or anything just exist.

>>8226886
Is yours also on your triceps/where?
My doctor thought it was just a friction rash from my shirt lol.

>>8226886
>>8226844
yeah mine was pretty bad I couldn't sleep on my chest as it was completely broken out shame cause it was restoring my libido oh well asexuality it is.

>>8226902
Yeah, tricep. Specifically for the 'under arm', but no where more.

I had also chalked it up to my skin being looser since I lost a lot of weight.

>>8226867
What about the Cyproterone? Is that fine?

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The guide says to start on 25mg of bica and 2mg of progynova, then after a month increase dosages to 50mg and 4mg.

I have progynova 2mg tablets and bica 50mg tablets, should I just start off with bica at 50mg? Should I take it every other day?

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1mg injections weekly bloodwork mid week

wtf is going on

4mg oral gave me 1000~

>>8227480
Can't you just break them in half? It works well with cypro

>>8227521
No they're small and without any break line or anything.

>>8227556
Ever heard of a pill cutter?

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>>8227480
You can, I did. Your body will shock in a blood test and skyrocket high then over the next 2 months go down.
You'll experience something new every 2 days, for up to a week or two and then it'll all balance out.

This is what I had, I was keeping a little journal.

>First 2 days nothing
>Following 2 days I had delayed reaction time and couldn't 'process' things but knew what I was supposed to do
>Following 2 days libido shot way fucking up and I fapped plenty in this time
>Following day I was sitting down and felt dizzy a little, then suddenly my body temperature went up as though someone added +10C to the room
>Following day I was at an appointment and felt dizzy, nauseous, about to vomit, when I stood up I nearly fell over (I was at the doctor at the time and got blood pressure check, everything was normal though)
>Day 11; Nothing
>Day 12; Sensitive ears / Head pain
>Day 13; Sensitive Ears / Head Pain
>Day 16; Common food tasted really bitter, and a chocolate I regular had was sweeter than normal. Taste bud change?

Ok so a couple of questions... but first background info.

I've been on Cypro since 3/20/2017, and progy since 4/20/2017. 50 mg (cypro) once at night along with 2mg progy once at night. Now on 5/20 I'll have to up my dosage to 4mg progy.

Should I take a 2mg progy in the morning at night or just take 2 progy (2mg) at night with the anti-androgen?

Also, I've been thinking about switching to bica, would it be harmful in anyway to switch to bica from cypro after I finish the cypro? And would it be better to start with 25mg or 50mg (bica)?

Lastly, for lab testing. Can I just go to the privatemdlabs link on the /mtfg/ thread and order the female hormone testing panel and just check it with the target ranges/levels provided? The lab is nearby my house, but I'm not sure if I need anything extra or I can just order it, go in and get tested.

Thanks for the help, sorry if I sound stupid. Kinda rushed into things.

>>8227746
Bica takes time to reach full effect too so overlapping a few weeks is advisable based on my own personal experience, unless you don't mind returning male body odor and greasy skin for a while until it kicks in.

For the progy, split them morning/evening for most stable levels.

>>8227746
dude get a doctor lol
i studied online but doctor still knew better info than is posted about drugs used. theres info she told me about why, info not posted here that does make a difference.
dont fuck around with meds

>>8227797
> DOCTOR
> perscribing bica
> doctor allowing 3rd party meds

there's a reason why people self med ya know

>>8227480
I did and got none of this:>>8227662
But I did get small painless rashes on my arms about 2 weeksin.

>>8227662
>i have no idea what im talking about: the post

>>8227817
u didnt spell rx proper. nice medical advice.

i'll bite. https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=5BD7E54E-8497-4BC4-8964-151943DB0626
>cancer

thanks i will stick with doctor guide

>>8218411
oral estradiol tend to increase prolactin levels more than injections or patches

>>8227995
how was anything you just typed relevant to what i was saying? Idk where you live but in the US i've tried several doctors and they will only perscribe spiro because cypro isn't approved by the FDA here and they don't consider bica a legit option.

Also "oy you made a spelling mistake" what are you 5?

>>8228007
what about estrofem

>>8228028
im 12 tyvm.
why is casodex not a valid option? i couldnt find their reasons )=
thx sry im a bitch

>>8227790
how do you mean overlapping a few weeks. Do you mean like ease it in...? As i'm running out of cypro do cypro one night, bica the next? Not sure I get what you mean. Sorry

>>8228063
I was wondering the same thing. The wiki page has quite a few references but nothing I've read really stands out. If anything is seems to imply it's less risky than cypro. I'm pretty ignorant of this stuff though...

It could simply be this
>Unlike the cases of the SAAs spironolactone and CPA and GnRH analogues, no clinical studies assessing bicalutamide as an antiandrogen in the hormonal treatment of transgender women have been published.
lack of published research in the specific field of HRT usage. If anyone else has insight please share.

>>8228203
>do cypro one night, bica the next
Then you'll likely get returning male scent and greasy skin after a few days, lasting until bica get's closer to 'steady state'.. start bica now at full dose, eg. 50mg a day and continue taking cypro at half dose for 2-4 weeks

Is Spiro really as bad as they say? I just got prescribed Spiro and I'm nervous. If you got prescribed 200mg, how much did it decrease your testosterone levels to? I'm not in America but my doctor prefers Spiro over Cypro

>>8228548
Spiro has some shit side effects but is still effective, not quite as good as Cypro though.

I'm on cypro and my friend is on spiro, when we compared blood tests my T was 9ng/dl and theirs was 8ng/dl.

>>8228613
Oh good. All I care about is testicular dysfunction/atrophy. I was on a gnrh-analog but my T was at 30-50ng/dl so it makes me really hopeful that Spiro might be more effective.

>>8228671
>30-50ng/dl
wew lass
>tfw 12 ng/dl on 25mg cypro
spiro is garbage, get on the real stuff anyway

>>8229207
Yeah my level was 50ng/dl after 9 months...

The only reason why people think they're the "gold standard" is because no one is taking them. I never got the genital atrophy effects (shrinkage, reduced ejaculate, painful erections) and erection frequency was pretty much cis-male standard. Gnrh-analogs are seem no better than spiro/cypro at T suppression. Maybe it was just me, but I feel you're paying for the reduced side effect profile and a broken wallet. That's all.

I'd be very happy if Spiro can do what the gnrh-analog couldn't do.

I really would like cypro but I just can't :( :(

I'm planning on take cypro and estrofem same strength as op's picture. How often do I take each tablet, and how do I take them? I'm new to this so any help will be massively appreaciated.

>>8229708
Take cypro once per day and dissolve estrofem under the tounge twice per day.

>>8229907
Thank you X

Anyone else take estrofem 2mgs?
if so how many pills were you prescribed to take daily. I've been told 1 in the morning and one in the night is too low..

Thinking of ordering Bica and Oestradiol pills, what should I be careful for, what are the dangers that I need to know of and how do I recognize them? What do I do if something goes wrong? How will I know if something's going wrong? I need answers to these questions, as everybody's peer pressuring me into going the official route, and not to DIY.

>>8230636
Also, what dosage for Oestradiol pills?

>>8230655
Do you have a GP at all? You can get blood tests through them to get your dosages down right. They might not assist you with it but as long as you have the test results just figure out how far you are from female range.

>>8230722
What is a GP? And can't I get a saliva test, instead?

>>8230743
general practitioner, like a family doctor.
I suppose there's other ways to test yourself. But going to your GP for blood tests is free in most countries.

>>8230775
How do I ask, and does it have to be my family's doctor? I don't want him to rat me out to my family. Is there any alternative? I've seen posters on this board that don't blood test.

>>8230533
so you tke 2mgs...but you're taking one in the morning and night?...so....4mgs is too low? but you're only supposed to be taking 2 mgs according to you...

>>8230808
You can kind of guesstimate your dosage based on if you feel like drowsy all the time and such. If you have a lot of mind fog and whatnot your dosage might be too low.

I dunno about requesting blood tests from random doctors. Your family doctor shouldn't legally be allowed to rat you out or anything, you have doctor-patient confidentiality. You can just tell them you're self-medding and they can't do anything about it besides scold you maybe.

Guess I'll ask here too, is my estrogen too high at 1300pmol? Could this negatively effect me?

>>8230722
>>8230775
>>8230842
So do I take a blood test before or after starting the pills? And what negative side effects could the pills have on me? Any risks I should know of?

>>8230853
Are you getting excessive mood swings or anything? Maybe hot flashes?

>>8230887
Nothing out of the normal for mood swings I don't think but it's a bit of a hard thing to judge, I do kinda cry at fairly stupid things a lot.

>>8230885
I guess you could take it before and after if you're hugely curious about your current and future levels. Personally I'd just start though and test later. Start with a low dosage of estradiol and work your way up.

There's side effects of the pills sure. Most of the info on side effects of AAs is on their individual wikipedia pages. Estradiols main side effects are stuff like deep vein thrombosis and occasionally in certain people it can trigger thyroid issues and also potentially pituitary issues causing hyperprolactinemia. Most of the issues are quite rare and occur in people who have already had previous problems, or they occur in people 40+ years old more often.

>>8230885
When I finally got a real endo she was a little annoyed I hadn't taken any pre pills

>>8230816
A single tablet is worth 2mgs
but according to the package I am to take one in the morning and one in the night adding up to 4mgs in my system (or two consistently ) but I've been told even 4mgs of estrogen is inadequate so I want to know if anyone else takes estrofem and how much they do in a day

>>8230900
Well 1300pmol isn't completely unheard of in cis women since it can get that high during their luteal phase. But the receptor response curve for estrogen receptors basically flatlines past 1000 and there's not much point going higher and you just get more side effects.

>>8231154
I'm only on 4mg of progy a day idk

>>8231227

When did you get your blood done in relation to when you took your pills? Pretty sure halfway to your next dose is when you should be taking it but somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

>>8231253
Generally in the morning first thing before I take my pills for the day.

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Is having increased (incredibly so) migraines a sign to stop taking my meds?

Ever since starting progynova I've not had a day without a migraine and it's beginning to kill me at this point, it hurts so fucking much I'm taking two to four aspirin every day to try deal with it. It's getting out of hand.

Can an excess or large amount of estrogen cause migraines? Or can estrogen in itself just increase migraines?

>>8231137
I take 4mg/day

>>8231475
Pretty sure oestrogen can effect your blood pressure or something? Might be related, could just reduce your levels

>>8231475
>Can an excess or large amount of estrogen cause migraines?
Yes, it happens to me when ever i take to much. but you maybe could try a different estrogen like estrofem instead of progynova and see if you still have the same effect

Need help still boymode, but my eyelashes are now super pretty helop me

>>8226579
Americans are too stupid to deal with oe's, so they removed the o from loads of words, like oestrogen and foetus.

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My hair is thinning out and I'm losing hair.

I started a diet in December where I'd eat only 717 calories for until February, then onwards until last month I ate 959 calories.

I also started Bicalutamide (50mg) and Raloxifene (60mg) in February and have been on them since.

Which would be causing my hair loss? Is my diet catching up to be 5 months later? Or is it hormonal imbalance since Bica/Ralox aren't really normal.

>>8232556
malnutrition can cause hair loss. 959 calories is almost certainly malnutrition.

>>8232622
This late, though? 5~6 months is a long time for it to 'catch up' isn't it?

>>8232556
Here's the problem. Bica not only increases T, but it allows the copious amount of T that's floating around in your blood to freely convert into DHT. So Bica actually increases balding. You need finasteride or dutasteride asap!

>>8232688
Source?

>>8232747
Second.

Afaik bica blocks both T and DHT at the receptor level, albeit only about 60%? Of the DHT so fin and duta should help improve the effect anyway.
Lots of anecdotes out there from people who notices significant reduction in body hair from bica as well, and body hair feeds on DHT, why wouldn't it so the opposite for head hair then?
>>8232688

>>8232759
>>8232688
How much mg of Fina or Dust would I need to help get my hair back?

I want to get my blood work done today but i ate about half a cups worth of chicken fajita lol.

It says you're supposed to fast for at least 12 hours on the website...will i be okay? This is the only thing i ate

>>8233383
Id like to know this too. About to start bica and estrofem and although my balding isnt the worst i still would like it to stop and grow back.

Right, when's the best time to take prognova, and whens the best time to take bicalutamide.

>>8232759
>>8233383
>>8233757
Idk how much you'd need to be sure though, I'm on bica now and went from 1.25 mg fin every day to every other day.. take 5mg if you can afford it and went to be sure or look into duta, even more expensive but also more effective afaik. (Often used alongside bica for cancer patients as well).

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>>8206574
What do you mean?

why old anyone take anything other than bicalutamide, aside from sex drive.

>>8233772
I find the best times for AAs and progesterone to be night and estrogen morning, unless you have more then one pill of E, then take one at night and the other one (or two) in the morning.
Personal experience though, no sources behind this.

>>8233820
what makes you say this? explain your reasoning?

>>8233743
My doc told me I don't have to fast for bloodwork.

>>8233832
AAs and progesterone usually makes (and other anecdotally) tired, hormone levels are also usually higher in the morning than night so more E in the morning (or even), I also want most is it while I'm awake lol.
Soon 1 year in, have seen exceptionally good results in this short time.. Can be coincidence/genetics w/e so nothing but anecdotes though.

Why do I need a karyotype test to get a prescription? Tbh the chance of me being intersex is closer to nill than the chances caitlynn jenner will ever pass

>>8233772
Take progynova at night because most tissue growth happens during sleep. Bica doesnt matter much since it has a long half life.

>>8233878
Alright, thanks a lot anon!

I'm on spiro through informed consent in the US, is bica something I can get on through that? I know cypro is probably something I can't get

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>>8233794
Duta for my area is based on mcg. How much is that in mg? Is mcg the same as mg?

I don't know if I can afford anything more than 1mg of Fina. But if I'm going to lose my hair I'd rather just stop taking Bica/Ralox entirely then.

>>8234005
>>8232556

I'd like to correct the other anon. Bicalutamide does not cause hair loss via DHT.

When bicalutamide binds to the androgen receptor, the bicalutamide-receptor complex is pulled into the cell nucleus. Normally, this is when transcription would take place. Fortunately, the bicalutamide-receptor complex is transcriptionally inactive. It does nothing, and is degraded within the cell. This is how it is able to block DHT, despite binding less strongly than DHT to the androgen receptor. When the bicalutamide-receptor complex is pulled inside the cell, it is no longer in the cell membrane. As a result, it is not available for binding by both testosterone and DHT.

Also there is no point in taking more than 1mg of Finasteride a day as it has diminishing returns.

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>>8234100
Thanks for the correction, though I may begin taking 1mg of Fina too just to help out in case it is the Bica causing this.
If it is dietary/health then I should see some returns soon I hope as I'm now off my diet and looking to make amends to it, but because it's a question of "Which one is it really?", I should play both safe.

I hate to think how my liver will handle all these medications though now.

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>>8200364
Is there a chart or guide for injections?

>>8210067
Ughhh, might be misinformation here, but bica doesn't stop bones right? It "masks" testosterone, not blocks it.

>>8234166
It blocks it, just doesn't reduce it so it'll still be in your blood, since it can't be used some of it will likely convert to estrogen, and additional estrogen should also lower T anyway.

>>8234120
Once starting an AA (bica/fin etc) it usually takes 6+ months before you start seeing any results anyway, and a common one is hair shedding since new hairs start to grow where inactive ones are still present. If that's the case the bica is working though and new hairs are starting to grow, which may look like hair loss.
>>8207786

>>8234150
You need inject in your femoral artery

[Spoiler]don't actually do this[/spoiler]

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>>8234292
where exactly in my femoral artery? I'm sorry I didn't read your spoiler because I didn't want to be spoiled.

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hi how well do i pass?

>>8234316
viper you'll always pass in my book <3

How often do you inject 10mg/ml vials? I'm looking at Inhouse's Progynon Depot to be specific.

The doc at the informed consent clinic started me on 100 mg of spiro and .1 mg patches of Estradiol. Does that sound right?

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>>8234292

this question probably gets asked a lot sorry ;_; but where can i buy the right syringes, filter needles, and injection needles? thank you

How do I know if I'm getting the right hormones? This feels like such a big decision. I've been researching but it's barely helping.

>>8237663
Are you worried about language differences? I know some people misunderstand stuff like estradiol = oestradiol due to language differences.
It helps if you lookup the specific chemical names themselves not the brands.

>>8237024
Allegromedical is a good one.

why aren't we supposed to start at the full dole? Why do we have to go half dose for the first month?

>>8238261
In case you react badly to it.

Anyone here switch from Cypro to Bica? How'd it go?

I'm mostly doing it because cypro is making me depressed.

>>8238554
>>8227790

Also it seems to be going well although I haven't been on bica only for very long yet.
I also went down from taking 1.25 mg fin every day to every other, and started progesterone 100mg/day the first 15 days of every month.

I wasn't much depressed from cypro anymore though since starting vitamin supplements, so I switched to maybe regain some function downstairs >>8212217

>>8238639
I was told that Finasteride wasn't needed with Bica.

>>8238686
Supposedly fin is still preferable for preventing hair loss on scalp? Not sure, wouldn't take long to find out tho

>>8238760
Let me know. Where did you hear Fin was preferable?

I'm more concerned with regrowth than losing more. It's just my temples that has receded.

>>8238686
Possibly yes, which is why I cut my dose in half too, Bica do block T And DHT, but this source

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicalutamide#Drug_levels.2C_androgen_levels.2C_and_efficacy

Says
>...the effectiveness of bicalutamide monotherapy in the treatment of prostate cancer, which is roughly equivalent to that of GnRH analogues...
>On the other hand, GnRH analogues achieve only a 50 to 60% reduction in levels of DHT in the prostate gland...

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>>8234267
>it usually takes 6+ months before you start seeing any results anyway, and a common one is hair shedding since new hairs start to grow where inactive ones are still present. If that's the case the bica is working though and new hairs are starting to grow, which may look like hair loss.

As much as I want to believe that, there's no way I could be losing something like 20% of my total hair volume just because of this. My genetics have always been shit. Always.
You can see past my hair entirely and see my scalp now, and my crown spot is bigger. Even when fluffing my hair up there's no real escape from it.

>>8200364
>Step 1. Get blood tests
Where can I go to get blood tests done, is there a name for the places I would need to go?
>Step 2. Form a regimen
This is easy enough, I suppose. Half doses for the first month then full doses.
>Cyproterone 50mg
>Estrofem 2mg
>Finasteride Finpecia or Finax
>Progesterone after 4-6 months
>Consider switching to injections
>Step 3. Wait for results
>Step 4. Form exercise routine

Is this a good plan?

>>8239118

Female hormone testing on privatemdlabs. The link is on the mtfg OP I think.

>>8239140
Thank you so much Anon.

>>8219441
Lol, thought I was the only person to see that.

>>8239063
If you lost that much hair in such a short time then I doubt DHT is the problem.. More likely what the other anon said about your diet >>8232622

Relevant to nr.11 on this
>http://www.sheknows.com/beauty-and-style/articles/1077149/hair-loss-causes/amp

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>>8239398
Every one of these posts really helps me out in understanding the problem, and thus helping to fix it.
I've begun to fix my calorie intake accordingly in case it's the diet. On the other hand, if it's hormonal I am unsure.

I have to ask if it's possible to get thinning hair as quickly as 2 weeks, if it's a hormonal thing?

Bica+Ralox is what I've been taking, but I added 1mg of Progynova about 2 weeks ago, to of which I've suffered migraines and liver/abdomen pains since and it was only last week I had begun to notice all these things.
Due to the nature of how unsure Ralox+Estro is in conjunction, that it's been untested I have to ask; Could taking them both also be a thing?

I am not knowledgeable in this subject at all. Hair thinning and losing just a short time after taking Progynova is impossible right? The time frame is too small.

It was likely just me not noticing my hair thinning/falling out until now, coincidentally enough I'm guessing? And that the diet or Hormonal Imbalance is just catching up since it's been 5~6 months now on both the diet and roughly HRT.

alright i need advice

my trip to europe is on the 23rd and i just got my bica in yesterday

im on cypro now and it tends to make me sad and overthink things more than i usually did, which was still a lot

im wondering if i should switch to bica now or wait until i come back from my trip

i don't wanna be sad on my trip but i don't want to start bica and end up having a worse reaction to it or something

i just want to feel happy for my trip, i don't want to waste it

>>8239650
Hormone imbalance can be a cause to, but I think less likely in your case though
>http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20727114,00.html/view-all#female-hormones-0

>>8209221
Just wondering as your on bica as well any luck with breast growth or fat redistribution ? Just wondering if not blocking T is my issue or I'm just impatient.

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If I don't use bica then can I basically never get erections again without some sort of aid? or will that not even work?

>>8241775
I've been on cypro and I don't usually get erections on my own but whenever I cuddle with my girlfriend (male) I get hard all the time when we grope each other. The only difference is my erections aren't as hard. I'm only about 2 month in though so take that into account. I take 25mg Cypro.

>>8241804
Thanks for the info regardless of how long ago you started, I probably won't even use my dick that much but I still want to know ahead of time what to possibly expect.

>>8241568
How long have you been on HRT? Have you only tried bica?

>>8239650
Why are you taking raloxifene and estradiol together? They both bind to the estrogen receptor, so it doesn't make any sense to take both.

>>8242732
In a lot of studies on ralox they often combined estradiol or EE with ralox in menopausal women.
Adding the estradiol helps fill up the gaps left behind by ralox since it doesn't have equivalent activity and binding throughout your body. But ralox is still strong enough to prevent estradiols effects at the breast.

>>8242742
I had no idea. Thanks!

>>8239700
what is your current cypro dose? have you considered lowering it?

>>8242491
About 2 months and no taken with progynova

>>8242850
why do people wait a while on bica before going on estrogen?

>>8242940
Sorry I worded it badly I started progynova and bica at the same time.

>>8243014
Ah sorry I misread

>>8242757
Ralox is still sketchy as fuck. Over 1 in 10 people have described severe side effects. Estrogen is responsible for blood vessel dilation and SERMs often weirdly target blood vessels very highly.
I don't trust serms just plain and simple. It's hard to predict long-term effects. The best long-term effects are based on phytoestrogens since they are by definition SERMs and tend to have similar effects to raloxifene. Many phytoestrogens in megadoses have proven equivalent to ralox for cancer, which isn't exactly good odds though lol
Isoflavones in 500mg-1000mg/day are used for prostate cancer and have roughly the same potency as ralox, just shorter half-lives and less liver damage. Ralox is an experimental cancer drug and people treat it like a miracle of science lol

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>>8241568
Just smoother skin and fixed my penis. This is why I started taking estrogen on top, as per stated here >>8242742

Though I was taking progynova 1mg only and getting some nasty as hell migraines and stomach cramp/pains so as of yesterday I stopped since the coincidence post (>>8239650)

The theory is there with Ralox+Estro but there's no definitive knowledge so I'm a guinnea pig.

>>8243036
Your dosages of the 2 are very very high. Ralox is not processed like your natural bodies estrogen.
You are straining your liver and you should cut back both of your dosages for safety.

Blood tests don't measure serms. You can measure indirectly given that serms should downregulate T but it's not precise and you're not measuring correctly

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>>8243050
Which "two"? Ralox and Progynova? 60mg is pretty much the standard for Ralox, all I could do is just half it to 30mg.
Progynova is the lowest as they come, so again halved to 0.5mg and it seems at that point it'd be doing nothing since 1mg is very baseline minimal. I may as well not take it at that point.

I didn't have any liver pains or anything as of the past few days with my Progynova, but I stopped anyway just to see if it was causing rapid hairloss (I doubt it, but at this point I'm entertaining the notion because of coincidence since this hairloss was all so very sudden and I'd seemed fine leading up to).

I'm thinking of beginning to take Fina/Duta now because of the hairloss issue since there seems to be half agreement here on if Bica stops or doesn't help DHT much. It couldn't hurt to take a DHT inhibitor on top of Bica/Ralox, and I'm willing to drop my Progynova for it.

But from what I read with Progynova the pains I suffered weren't unusual so I just chalked it up to the brand itself, but the pains had conveniently gone over the past few days.
If you think that it was simply too much estrogen being processed and that's why it was happening then I know now, my doctor had said to just keep at it for now to see if it got any better (Which it did)

>>8243082
Getting dosages correct with SERMs is tough. You have absolutely nothing to test for without a huge expense.
You're balancing estradiol with a serm. SERMs absolutely do not show up on any test whatsoever known to date other than through indirect effects on other hormones. To test SERMs during breast cancer they use chromatography, this isn't a common test.

>>8243098
Makes sense. Though I could accurately say that the Ralox wasn't enough since months past and basically nothing but slightly smoother skin came of it, and even then it wasn't certain.
Since it looked as though nothing was happening, added Estrogen.

Now I'm just going to back out of estrogen likely, maybe, and then just focus on fixing my hair. So I'll add DHT Inhibitor and see how that goes.

I'd rather fix my hair than try get feminization at this point though since hair is more valuable.

>>8243036
I know you were only on progynova for a short time but no breast growth is rather intimating to me, I can't find a single source that claims to use both bica and progynova and had good breast growth or fat redistribution.

>>8243119
Well in terms of studies in menopausal women, which if you're on AAs you are equivalent to them minus the age factor. But you SHOULD be on ralox plus estradiol. I have only seen studies using EE but estradiol is safer. No matter what adding estradiol is safer with serms and you'll avoid hormonal deficits in brain tissue that ralox can't hit. You'll improve depth perception and special recognition by default since either test or estradiol hits those areas but with serms it's iffy

>>8243204
Well the idea for me was that I'm very attentive. The moment I began feeling an ache, pain, soreness, etc. in my breast then I would stop immediately.
The doctor agreed, it's just about looking in the mirror and pressing on your chest area and seeing if anything hurts.

When breast development occurs you'll feel it, because it wont be easy. It'll be sore and ache.

>Bica and Progy
Well maybe it'd happen there? I'm on Raloxifene which should stop breast growth entirely.

>>8243222
Spacial*

>>8243225
Okay well good to know I can tell, without the obvious method, any anons on bica had any luck ? I know it's the estrogen that is the main factor but I was wondering if still having T in my system is a issue? Sorry if I'm missing obvious resources I couldn't find the information.

>>8243411
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicalutamide
Search for 'breast'

Also first line of the second paragraph on that page
>Common side effects in men include breast enlargement, breast tenderness, and hot flashes.

Further down under transgender hormone therapy
>Bicalutamide monotherapy increases estradiol levels in biological males and hence has indirect estrogenic effects in transgender women.

>>8243567
Seconding this, that's why Raloxifene is popular with it.
The Testosterone that turns into Estrogen goes into your breasts which is why you get gyno, but Raloxifene stops the estrogen from going into your breasts.

>>8243567
>>8243707
Thanks so much for the help, I feel I have a little bit more of a understanding now, time to get this process started! :D

After one month should I up the dosage from 100mg spiro and 2mg progynova to 200mg spiro and progy the same?

Or should I wait another month on 100/2??

>>8243933
150mg spiro, then 3mg progy.
Then 200mg spiro, 4mg progy.
Every month.

Or even 14 days, really.

i usually change my patches on sundays, would it be okay to have my blood test on monday morning? or is less than 24 hours too short?

What dosages of cypro is equal to spiro?

>>8243028
do you have sources?

>>8244044
You cant realy compare the two, but in terms of standard doses it would be kind of like, 25mg Cypro = 100mg Spiro

New thread
>>8244601

>>8244604
lol no, 25mg would be more around 200mg. People can get by with 25mg spiro as opposed to 100mg spiro which doesn't do much if anything.