Is it just me or does it seem to anybody that AGP is just a type

>>8192587
That's what I hope as a gross AGP. But then there are people with AGP who don't want to transition.

>>8192587
>It's like you all believe you're born AGP or something.
thats stupid. how could you be born agp?

it happens the same time you become hsts or gay or straight.

yeah, AGP is bullshit. It's not a legitimate gender identity and I don't know why so many people cling to it like it is.

>>8192633
>a legitimate gender identity
???

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There is no such thing as AGP. People here are just morons.

>>8192745
you mean it's just being a woman sexually? or a repression thing?

>>8192587
I've been telling people this for ages. AGP is what happens when you get an introverted, neurotic trans women who is very susceptible to feelings of shame.

>>8192633

You mean sexual orientation, not gender identity.

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>>8192761
Back in Blanchards day, the current psychological theories proposed insisted that there was no inherent difference between a man and womans mentality. It was proposed that all female-esque behaviors were a result of their emotional and overall inferiority.

In the modern day, we know that is anything but the case and that men and women have almost entirely different mentalities, one of the biggest examples is sexuality. I dont want to ramble about specifics, but a woman is aroused internally whilst a man is aroused externally- as an example, a man is mostly turned on by the physical characteristics of his partner, whilst a woman is arised by feeling sexually desireable. Any of you who have slept with cis women in the past have probably dealt with girls telling you they dont feel pretty and as a result are not aroused. It also speaks to these differences when you consider a standard method of seducing a woman is telling her how sexy she is.

So when this internal sexuality was explained to Blanchard, who thought all sexualities worked externally, its not shocking he took it as a weird faggy fetish. Its not though, its just how female sexuality works.

>>8192811
>In the modern day, we know that is anything but the case and that men and women have almost entirely different mentalities,
So this is a rather big tangent, but your post /thread anyway, so I guess it's all right, what are the mentality differences besides sexuality?

>>8192811

One thing though: if that's true, then how can Blanchard believe AAP doesn't actually exist because women don't have fetishes like men do?

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>>8192834
Men are more focused on tasks and competetion, women are more focused on social status and relationships. Teenage boys play sports, teenage girls gossip.

Both The Female Brain and The Male Brain by Louann Brizendine are good reads on the topic. She's an actual doctor, so she knows what shes talking about.

>>8192836
As far as I know Blanchard didn't acknowledge the existence of FtMs

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>>8192587
idk i just get off to hentai forced feminization mangas

it started when i was about 10, with the advent of my sexuality.

>>8192866
moap if agp isn't real then why >>8192916

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>>8192951
Because they want to be a girl, forced feminization is a fantasy that lets you become a girl without giving into being a faggot. It was against your will so it isnt a personal failing.

Also forced feminization includes guidance and security, you cant fail and beome a hon in forced feminization, that isnt appealing and defeats the point.

>>8193023
>It was against your will so it isnt a personal failing.
>Also forced feminization includes guidance and security,
so that's why it's more popular among repressors?

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>>8193044
Probably, I mean Im not a psychologist so take everything I say with a bit of salt. Im hardly an authority.

>>8192587
I think AGP/trans/gay/queer are all pretty much the same thing, but your brain chooses to interpret that condition differently. Kind of like fear and excitement are physiologically the same thing, but your brain decides which feeling you will experience.

>>8193088
ok but everything you've said in this thread explains an awful lot

how do people still believe such stupid things when it's all so simply explains with modern knowledge of the brain.

>>8193023
so then let me get your insight on the closet case that I am;

The shortest way to put it is that I've been crosdressing since I was like 5 but at that time it was mostly just stealing my sister's stuff. I stopped in the 6th grade. Around this time I had what I think is a pretty real crush on a girl at my school. I got severe anxiety whenever I was around her and actually almost had a panic attack once. Home life around this time was really strange. My sister was larger than me and would just bully the shit out of me for no reason all the time. Also my mom was constantly naked around me. She didn't wear clothes in the house. It wasn't anything sexual. She was just always nude. At age 13 I once again had a crush on a girl but the same thing as before happened. By this time I don't talk to my family at all anymore. Even when I'm at home, since I had my own room at this point I never really spent time with them. The end of my 8th grade year I finally got the balls to tell this girl how I felt but it turns out she was gay. She was dating another friend of mine. Oh that's another thing. From 7th grade onwards I never had anymore male friends. Moving into high school I wasn't attracted to anyone at all, but being a dumb teenager I pretended to be because I thought I was missing out on hs romance. It never really took off and we just drifted apart. About half way through my junior year I find out about what a transgender person is and the idea is really appealing to me, but I like to think that I'm not really trans but just have mental issues. I just don't know. The last 8 years (high school and some of adult life) I haven't been attracted to anyone at all. Reading about how HSTS and AGP work really just makes me think I have a sever disorder. What do you think?

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>>8193123
How can people believe in creation and the flat earth theory? AGP propagators are skilled demagogues good at pecking at the insecurities of early transitioners or repressers, and 4chan allows shitty arguments inherently due to the nature of the website. If you disprove an AGP poster today he can just make a new thread tomorrow.

>>8192866

>As far as I know Blanchard didn't acknowledge the existence of FtMs

They've never been the subjects of his studies, but the only thing he's explicitly said related to them is that he doesn't believe in AAP.

>>8192795
no he means gender identity, you know, that meme word that basically defines what it is or isn't to be trans? wanting to be the opposite sex? nothing about this is about how you want to get off

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>>8193130
Go to a trans healthscare specialist, susans has a list of trans health advocates and I know its a cringey site but it has good resources and its list of trans health providers is one. Heres the cool thing, you dont need to come to 4chan to figure this out-

Going to a psychologist who specializes in trans people is a win win, either shell diagnose you with GID and give you a hormone letter to take to an endo along with providing you all the other resources you need to transition- Or shell work out why you think your trans and help you live your life as the normal man you were meant to be.

Also I was straight pre-HRT and am straight again after taking hormones. Sexuality really has nothing to do with gender expression though, like some people experience sexuality shifts on hormones and some people dont. Some people go from being gay to gay, I wouldnt overthink that aspect of yourself in regards to your gender.

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>>8193142
Yeah his "studies". With an astoundingly large sample size of five, sometimes six!

>>8193169

>Susan's
>good resources

>its primary source, its userbase, will tell you self-medding is dangerous and that you're too young to transition

>>8193169
Haha I see. I guess it does make more sense to talk to a memtal health professional than a random person on a chinese checkers board. But I'm extremely afraid of having am ernest discussion with a real person face to face about my life. I had a really fucked up childhood, and even though I like to think that I'm over it I know that I'm not by virtue of the fact that I don't think about it if I can help it. But anyway thanks for your advice. I'll try to muster the courage to do the right thing.

>>8192745
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>>8193023
You are fucking dumb. There are fetishes for just about everything among both sexes. There are people with a fetish for shitting their pants. There are people with a fetish for choking themselves. There are people with a fetish for being murdered and cannibalized. There are people with a fetish for floor tiles. But somehow it's beyond belief to you that people have a fetish for being turned into the other sex?

AGP seriously sucks. It's pretty much impossible to differentiate between being a crossdresser and agp. I think therapists must just guess or something, like they have a 50% chance of being right so why not lol

>>8192587
Im 25 and just starting hrt. I wonder if I should transition or not because my dysphoria isn't as bad as HSTS. Besides, seeing late transitioner AGP hons makes me want to repress tranny feelings even more.

>>8192834
OP here, not AsukaPoster

>>8192811
Actually I believe in AGP
I think it's some kind of repression though and that it can be pretty devastating to your sexuality, especially the types of porn that have a focus on humiliation.
I think that at some level the AGP is a defense mechanism. It seems some parts of the fetish cause psychological problems (especially in the whole "trans" department). Overall I wouldn't want to just sweep the debate under the rug.

>>8193224
How many therapists have you been to to realize that?

>>8193267
I was more mentioning it as like a rhetorical statement, but realistically I can't feasibly see how you'd differentiate between the two.
I've always just figured I'm gay and have been with guys as well, crossdressed, and also done agp shit like fapping to tg erotica and I can fap to straight porn by self-inserting as the girl. I've talked to a couple other gay guys that have done the same and they seemed a lot more comfortable being guys though.
From my perspective there's not really any way to tell. Everyone I've talked to that's crossdressed has agp-type feelings yet nobody really seems all that trans.

>>8193305
if they don't really seem trans then that's how to tell?

>>8193340
I'm just saying that like everyone I've met that does exactly the same stuff as me and has roughly the same history, like CDing and agp-type fantasies from a very young age, don't always seem to be that uncomfortable as male. I've talked to people on this board that have said they went to therapists and they have basically the same story as me, although often people seem to have done less gay stuff and are transbians I guess. To me it just seems completely random and you're pretty much just taking a chance, it's not really based on any sort of concrete evidence.

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>>8193200
Therapists are specialists and whilst they might not care they definetly know how to figure out whats going on and how to help you.

>>8193214
He mad.
Agp aint real go home.

>>8193363
>He

>>8193358
>don't always seem to be that uncomfortable as male.
but if they can tell that isn't that how they and their therapist can know if they are trans?

>>8193363
how do you know they are any better than asking if you're uncomfortable male

>>8193414
a lot of people are uncomfortable as male thought, because being human is difficult, and in my case atleast, my strange fetishes have isolated me from other dudes my age and from dating women

Agp can create a cesspool of confusion to some people, and distinguishing the cause of this misery is very hard

>>8192587

I don't agree. It's pretty clear to me that my desire to be female is linked to my attraction to them. When I see a woman with a really nice ass, or a nice rack, my thoughts are "damn I want those sexy features". The clothes I fantasize about wearing are tight yoga pants, bikinis, etc. I love women so much, that I want to be one.

I think the repression argument is weak. It simply does not reflect my reality. If I were to embrace it, it would feel like I would be assuming I have a "female soul" and that everything about my sexuality is an expression of that, which feels like a reach to me.

Could it be the case for others? Absolutely. But for me, no way.

>>8193491
what about the rest of the theory about agp? how much is true?

>which feels like a reach to me.
why?

>>8193500
not him, because as a kid i had male friends, i currently only feel close to male role models, my interests are masculine, i'm a loudmouthed autist etc...

I have AGP but not anything resembling a female soul, and my agp slowly convinces me to take hormones and dress up etc...

I think AGP is 100% the cause of transition to some people

>>8193510
>I have AGP but not anything resembling a female soul,
how can you tell your inner gender?

>I think AGP is 100% the cause of transition to some people
why can't it be caused by being trans and having female sexuality or redirected repression?

>>8193500

It just does. Saying that because I jack off to the thought of having a hot female body, or really appealing female features, actually makes me female on the inside is a reach. What turns me on is the thought of having female features that I personally am attracted to, so the idea of it being linked to my sexuality seems logical. There is really nothing about me to suggest I am really female.

Of course I could still transition if I wanted to but I don't think I could ever make myself belief I am really a woman on the inside.

>>8193522
I don't really know to be honest. What i was mentioning was basically gender related traits (identifying with dudes, masculine personality, interests etc...) but then it is possible for a girl to have those same characteristics. What i can say is that it's highly unlikely that a girl would behave so much like a man in everyday life, so that thinking AGP creates transness is more likely.

>>8193574
>it's highly unlikely that a girl would behave so much like a man in everyday life
But being an unusual girl doesn't mean you aren't a girl, even if that unusualness is caused by or somehow else connected to male hormones, being a natal male, or male socialization.

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>>8193363
Is there any AGP in as much denial as Moap?

>>8192587
They should just call it autophila because that's what it is. There's no reason to make up a special version of it for transwomen because society wants them to hate themselves

>>8199560
Normal autophilia doesn't lead people to transition or turn them bi or get studied and confirmed to exist.