Egg-spotting checklist

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>the clincher: if you talk about transitioning in hypothetical, their reasons for why they wouldn't are all "it wouldn't work out for me", "it's too much upheaval" etc. and not "I don't want to be / look like a woman"
>Ostensibly straight. Avoids straight porn because 'looking at the dick is gay'. seems to find lesbian intimacy/porn strangely relatable.
>Has thing for trans girls. (May or may not spend too much time protesting that 'it's not gay!' like all the others.) Doesn't seem actually interested in sex though.
>Multiple trans friends
>Thinks AGP is a real and serious thing that ISN'T trans, because it's the only magic get-out-of-trans card that lets them match the description of trans exactly, but claim they aren't.

credit for the checklist goes to /tttt/.

suggest more hints ('cracks in the eggshell') that you've noticed itt.

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>>8170651
>""""""""repressed""""""""" """""""""transwomen"""""""" are just 100% male-indentified men
woah...... the redpill is overtaking me.....

>>8170659
How would you spot another one of you, cara?

>>8170664
>implying there are other people as fucked in the head as cara

She's a special snowflake at least.

>>8170664
if there are other people like cara you won't be able to spot them because they don't leave the house
>>8170651
i'm pretty bad at this stuff, when a friend of mine came out i assumed she was just playing transtrender like half the people i know
but i once saw someone on /tttt/ mention 'dysphoria curlmop' and realized there was in fact a name for the phenomenon i had noticed

>>8170676

>dysphoria curlmop

Long, unstyled, curly hair?

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>>8170664
All of these are very obvious traits of a male identified person that has alwasy contextualized themselves among males/masculinity/socially propagated ways that a man is supposed to contextualize themselves among their male and female peers.

And none of them apply to me? I'm not sure where you're pulling that from.

>>8170676
>if there are other people like cara you won't be able to spot them because they don't leave the house
I'd like to remind you that you're talking about a former irl stalker who had to be stopped by legal means.

>>8170680
i am extremely familiar with cara
cara doesn't leave the house to a degree that makes me feel better about my occasional not-leaving-the-house tendencies
after i let that cat out the bag her stalking of n*cole, until it was forcibly ended, turned mostly into posting her image on /tttt/ because she had an opportunity to 'engage with her' that wouldn't require the risks of doing so offline

>>8170683
>cara doesn't leave the house to a degree that makes me feel better about my occasional not-leaving-the-house tendencies
In context of 4chan, not leaving the house should only be used literally as to avoid confusion.

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>>8170683
What's your general opinion on the retarded /mtfg/ constant assertion that GID is something that you can "unconsciously" have and that can only be detected through Freudian slips?

I see them spamming stuff like the OP all the time for the purpose of suffocating and silencing legitimate transpeople.

>>8170692
it's worth noting at this point that she barely got out of bed at all during her adolescence because of gender-related ocd, and that after becoming a board regular returned to almost that level of insularity (hence why she says she would have been kicked out of college even without the n*cole controversy)

>>8170698
Yeah, I'm sure he's absolutely and totally honest about his experiences.

OP here if you guys prefer derailing unconnected threads with your personal drama instead of making your own that's your perogative, but have the decency when you get directly asked questions that are on topic >>8170664 >>8170678 to answer them and try and contribute at least a little bit to the thread which could actually help real people that you're derailing.

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>>8170715
I've already mapped out what it means to be legitimate but nobody has ever cared. But keep doing what makes you feel good and if it's being the nasty man that fits your above criteria than whatever. Just continue being the man you always have been.

>>8170729
*if that's

>>8170651
I'm in my 30s, used to living as a male and am disfigured by T, i'd be much harder to spot.

>>8170906
But how many of the hints do you fit?

>>8170957
I do fit a few of these but most don't apply.

>play as female character and butt response

Are we freaking connect or something I did make the same excuse before /lgbt/ was a thing.

>>8170651
>>8170656
Spotted a few of mine fro previous threads in there (most of the lesbian porn stuff and the looks unfeminine in lazy way one) <3

Some Additions:
>Adding to the 'if you talk about transitioning in hypothetical' excuses. #1 100% guaranteed closet trans excuse. "I'm Too Hairy"
>not particularly 'bro' guy suddenly attempts to become manly via body building
>Quiet guy Joins military to beat the girl out of himself
>If they have to attempt to look neat (formal event, wedding, office job, etc.) they'll technically meet the dresscode but nothing really seems to fit right or they are just scruffy about it, (shirt untucked, etc.)
I'd also think of the following things as trans multipliers. They don't make you trans on their own, but make it way more likely that other signs of transness are legit.
>Functional Programming
>E-Sports/Speedrunning

>>8170651
>interested in anime, vaporwave, or other subculture associated with insular and depressed behaviour
only one that applies to me

I like to crossdress too and the only transition for me is integrating bits of femininity into my appearance/lifestyle in a congruous way

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>>8170651
>They have long shitty unkempt hair. it really needs to be brushed and conditioned
>became more obviously depressed / less caring of appearance as puberty went on
Have you been spying on me

>>8171116
And how is this transition? Can sometimes wearing accessories or putting on a little makeup really pass as trans these days? Or are you repressed and will never transition so you just do little things to make yourself feel better? The latter is whatever but if I'm still dubious

>>8170656
>>the clincher: if you talk about transitioning in hypothetical, their reasons for why they wouldn't are all "it wouldn't work out for me", "it's too much upheaval" etc. and not "I don't want to be / look like a woman"

Also whines about the 'science not being good enough' or comes up with excuses about how various methods of effective transition don't actually count. So they may as well not bother.

Forgot these two:
>Has almost no friends outside family that are women or....
>Has many friends that are women... they're all trans.

>>8170906
Having any of those things in your 30s makes you even more obvious, as the main other excuse for most is being young/socially inexperienced

>>8170651
a couple of years ago all of these applied to me

good job

>>8170651
>Dislikes being seen by others in public or at family parties but can't or won't explain why

>>8171334
To add to this one:

>reacts violently if photographed or recorded

>>8170651
>doesnt like fighting yet looks like they like it
>socially retarded
>timid
>has quirky tastes in their partner
>"beta"
idk just off the top of my head of the few people i grew up that ended up being trans.

>>8171338
>>8171334
>>8171264
please stop this hits way too close to home and is scaring me

>>8171366
>quirky tastes in their partner
clarification pls

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>>8170651
Oh shit.
>Check
>Check
>Check
>Check
>Nope
>CHECK
>check
>check
>check
>check
>nope
>check
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>check
>check
>nope
>nope
>check
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>>8170656
>check
>nope
>check
>check
>don't know what AGP is besides a quick reading, but it's that shit where you auto-insert as the girl in porn or whatever right?

I grew out of wearing girl clothes after puberty and I only shave my legs because I dislike hair. I'm comfortable in my own skin

>>8171092
>check
>check
>check, tried joining military
>check
>check
>check

T-this just applies to people who grew up on 4chan in general, right? I'm doing a cs degree and I'm fairly fit-- used to lift but I just do mixed martial arts now. It's just self improvement

>>8171384
the person im referencing in my life when we were having an abstinence checklist thing trying ton tell us not to have sex she (he) at the time listed things all the guys didnt list.

Athletic and other stuff that i cannot remember it was 15 years ago. They ended up transitioning 4 years later or som i think they did at least i mean they started wearing a dress to school so i assume that was transitioning and acted female. I only chatted with them when we were 10 or so they were very very very soft spoken and sensitive and seemed lonely.

>>8171429
>I grew out of wearing girl clothes after puberty and I only shave my legs because I dislike hair. I'm comfortable in my own skin
>I'm doing a cs degree and I'm fairly fit-- used to lift but I just do mixed martial arts now. It's just self improvement

I should add:
>Social loser that as sudden unsustainable burst in life where they "grow up", tidy themselves up, gets in shape, get a job, etc. end up in a stable but not amazing spot. Then lose all motivation for career advancement and sink back into depression

>AGP
it's mostly meaningless. As it was used 'seriously' it was basically.
>Wanting to be a girl = AGP
>Not Wanting to be a guy = legit trans

>>8171434
>T-this just applies to people who grew up on 4chan in general, right?
Most of the trans girls I know like this are not on 4chan (that I know of)

What are your opinions on glitch art?
old video games?

>>8171437
i don't understand the listing things for abstinence or the athletic bit...

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>>8170651
>>8170656
>tfw fit most of these points but not a tranny
I wouldnt mind being a girl though, seems like it would be nice actually

>>8171474
>I wouldnt mind being a girl though, seems like it would be nice actually
lol

>>8171474
lad

>>8171474
Do you ever fantasize about being a girl sexually? Have you crossdressed?

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>>8171489
>>8171491
im not a fucking fag
i hate fags t. /pol/
>>8171493
who doesn't at least once?

>>8171498
>who doesn't at least once?
That's a "yes, multiple times" to both questions?

>>8171507
im going to be honest, yes

>>8171509
Greentext up times you did both.

>>8171498

>Who doesn't at least once

Most people don't crossdress at all. In fact, most people don't think about becoming a girl for more than a few passing seconds in a "huh I could play with my boobies but I don't want that."

>>8171512
If you come on too strong like that you'll scare her off!

>>8171516

But she's here forever, just like the rest of us.

>>8171498
You aren't a fag, you are a cute girl.

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>>8171511
>be me, 16
>put on my stepmoms clothes
>look in mirror
>think i look cute af
>do lewd buttstuff
pretty much it
>>8171512
its pretty intriguing to me
>>8171516
reeeeeeeeee, im a man

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>>8171526
>>8171516
>tfw being called a girl actually makes me happy
what is wrong with me?

>>8171527
It's not gay. Now how many times have you dressed up like that? Which clothes?

How often do you imagine being a girl other times you fap?

>>8171532
Prepare yourself, the future will be hard.

>tfw you fit 2/3 of this list
Are you sure this isn't just a 4chan user checklist?

>>8171473
Basically ib middle school they tried making us be abstinent so we dont catch diseases. They made us list our 5 traits we want in a partner. Hers were so different than the rest of the guys. I just remember seeing her in a dress in high school like "awww not surprised"


This thread though is one big false flaf shitpost tho tbqh who even knows what the indicators actually are.

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>>8171535
in total about 10 times or something
it was usually just
>panties
>stockings
>pink shirt
and i do it when doing it without porn
>>8171538
im really torn between supporting nationalism and being a manly man for the sake of honour, and protecting my people, and giving in to my feelings desu
ever going on /pol/ was a huge mistake

>>8171545
>im really torn between supporting nationalism and being a manly man for the sake of honour, and protecting my people, and giving in to my feelings desu
>ever going on /pol/ was a huge mistake
Zero sympathy for white supremacists who show up on 4chan not knowing it's 90% guys who want to be girls.

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>>8171545
Stop being stupid. You gain nothing out of trying to be a sacred warrior for a cause that doesn't even have anything to do with you on a personal level just for the empty satisfaction of fitting in.

>>8171604
i know, but because of /pol/ i bottle these feelings up and can't express them, im so ashamed of myself for these feelings because they go against what /pol/ says and they thought me it was wrong
>>8171591
i wasn't a white nationlist before and i still am not
i just came from /b/ to /pol/, and i thought i liked it

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>>8171604
>You gain nothing

I get the satisfaction of fitting in and feeling I'm a part of something greater than myself and that I'm doing something good for future generations.
Also it is fun to hate on other races and feel superior!

>>8171630
Replace "race" with "gender" and join Labour for the same satisfaction.

>>8171532

That's what validation feels like. Do you feel annoyed when people call you a handsome, strapping man?

>>8171662
i feel flattered but thats about it

>>8170651
>>8170656
A chunk of this list must be for Generation Z/late Millennial trannies because some of it was totally me but alot of this is like, lolwut?

>be skinny/not athletic
>quiet, shy, socially awkward, social development dyfunction
>hates taking off shirt when swimming
>always plays the girl in vidya (if an option)
>homophobic
>hates going to the barber to get hair cut, doesn't want to cut hair, but forced to by parents
>or will grow out hair long but unkempt
>never plays any sports
>easy target for bullying
>attempts to come off as a straight man, but seems like they're trying, unnatural
>constantly eyeing the clothing women are wearing as if suffering from envy but tries to be sly about it
>has absolutely no male fashion style, generally covers everything with dark colors
>suffers from severe depression and anger management issues
>spends too much time alone
>more art oriented interests, drawing, etc
>has an awkward desire to or attempts to hang out with girls rather than boys
>lives in an almost constant state of day dreaming
>no or minimal hygiene, except constantly shaved face

>>8170651

When people make a long essay tier reply to a "you might be trans if..." list and try to weasel their way out of criteria by technicalities or denial as if a cis person would even bother doing that.

Also, if they have a bunch of /lgbt/ tabs open and are ready to jump at (You)'s to reply with saying they're not trans.

>>8171545
Don't worry, friend. We all have a part to play in securing the future of our people. Not all of us can be the brave soul on the frontlines, and no part is too small, for it all goes towards a common purpose, a goal. You can serve in a way, we could always use a morale booster. I'm sure you could do that with your crossdressing and desire to be like a girl.

>>8171719
>hates taking off shirt when swimming
Repressed trannies really do this?

>Deeply repressed trans
>In honland so won't transition
>Occasionally feel compelled to drop a hint
>No one ever catches
I don't know whether to be relieved or sad.

>>8171338
STOP
NO
GET OUT OF MY HEAD

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>>8171719
fugg you just described me except for the fact that I rarely shave

>>8171830
I know I do

>>8171830
fat fucks do this

>>8171830
I hate not wearing a shirt in general which sucks because I sometimes take my shirt off in my sleep. Hell, I pretty much hate all forms of nudity it somewhat disgusts me actually.
>>8172117
a-am I repressed?

>>8171366

>doesnt like fighting yet looks like they like it

What?

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>>8171474
>I fit everything on the tranny tell list
>I hink it would be cool to be a girl
>im not trans though lol

>>8171830
I only wear long sleeved turtle necks or other things that cover the neck and arms in a similar way. I feel naked without a jacket on. And if somebody saw my feet I'd probably have a heart attack.

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>>8172313
i don't really feel dysphoric

>stares at girls a lot (out of jealousy, even though to many people it'd be interpreted as checking them out; perhaps that's their excuse if confronted)
>wears a jacket or cardigan (or at least a long-sleeved shirt) at all times unless it's unbearably hot
>goes out of their way to avoid referring to themselves as "gay" or "straight" so as to avoid specifying their own gender, instead saying something like they're "into guys/girls"
>has detailed knowledge of the physical processes and medical practices behind HRT, SRS, hair removal, etc. with excuses for why the know so much, or else plays dumb about it (sometimes deliberately saying incorrect things to mislead)
>shows signs of concealed despair when their friends casually refer to them as guys. Likewise, the hints of concealed happiness when they're referred to as girls, even in the most meaningless contexts (like "you're such a girl" for being scared of something)
>is emotionally distant with or avoids female friends or potential romantic partners (out of jealousy or discomfort with being perceived as a man by them) despite clearly wanting to be with them

This one doesn't count as a way of spotting someone since you wouldn't know unless they tell you about it, but I know that before I'd figured out I was trans I'd have lots of fantasies about what it would be like to magically be made female, just out of "curiosity", of course. I remember in school a friend asked me what I'd do if I found that I'd been made into a girl, and I lied and said I'd just masturbate or something, when really I had a fairly detailed fantasy about investigating my body and innocuously trying to work out whether anyone else would remember I used to be a guy and going out and buying a new wardrobe and generally living my life as a girl. I considered that if I were given the chance to be made female but it would have to be permanent then I'd take it, of course because I "wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to try it out".

>>8172355
Same, I fit the list and sometimes dream of The Button but don't feel dysphoric right now, just depressed and unable to get out of bed all day. T-this is normal, right?

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This is my first time on this board and this thread is giving me an identity crisis

HATCH ME SOMEONE HATCH ME AAAAAAAAAAH

>>8172569
>don't feel dysphoric right now
Uh, I take that back. Fuck.

To anybody reading this thread that do not consider themselves trans.

Why are you reading this tread?

>>8170651
>>8172515
Damn you guys are good. These were literally me.

>>8170651
Jesus Christ. Every. Single. Thing.

Oh, and Cara? You're probably too young to have even considered this, but you don't have to be 'male identified' to be repressed by force from others, particularly when it's attached to some brainwashing. Just something for you to consider, although I'm not real hopeful you'll care much. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

>>8172621
There's a guy at work I suspect is MTF and I wanted to see if it was more than just a hunch.
t. cisles

>>8170651

When did calling repressed trannies eggs start?

>>8172874

What do you think of him now?

>>8172886
>What do you think of him now?
We've only spoken a few words to each other so I can't go by most of OP's criteria. All I know about him is he's really quiet and generally looks depressed. He's skellymode and wears glasses, and his hair is quite long for a guy and it's been dyed red/pink over brown (no bleach). He also doesn't wear his nametag. Thoughts?

>>8172953

He does sound suspicious. Why did you become interested in finding out if he's MtF? Are you going to do anything if you confirm it?

>>8172886
>When did calling repressed trannies eggs start?

It didn't

>>8172979
I just happen to know a few MTFs so I'm a little more sensitive to the signs than an average person. I probably won't do anything if my hunch is confirmed, it's just kind of fun to speculate.

I fail a lot of the points, but also fit or pseudo fit many of them. No point in trying to convince me though, I was mostly convinced in the last thread. T-thanks...
Just gonna ramble and add some random stuff.

Excuses for playing female characters:
- need to mix it up, can't be male all the time
- female has better design
- more realistic body types, even for a male (WoW...)
- better customization options

I have a regular, female human name that I use over and over in multiple games.

Having some wish you were trans because then you'd have an excuse to transition (and then feeling like a total shitlord because trannies have it bad and it's respectless to wish that)
Or wishing for excuses to transition in general

I don't really shave at all, but I hate to have facial hair showing. I usually use scissors, or if there's a long hair I may pinch it with my fingers and pick it.

Being a manlet and being happy about it because "it may help if I ever decide to get really into crossplay"

How do I escape repressing

I want the pain to end, every day I want to die

>>8170651
>they dont watch football

>>8173017
I know the feels I can't seem to actually transition. I'm like 99% sure I would be a hon anyways though.

>>8173063
So most women are transgenders.

>>8173139
>women don't watch football maymay
How's the 50s treating you hon

>>8171168
I thought it was implied that I was saying really I DON'T NEED TO TRANSITION based on OPs silly criteria vague that could apply to normal guys and hardly applies to me as a definitely not normal guy and I wouldn't call myself trans either

but honestly I have never felt the desire to be a woman and have been more drawn to the aesthetic and idea feminine and androgynous men

for men's fashion has caught up now but I remember even 5-7 years ago in other trans boards I'd often find other people saying they crossdress because men's fashion seemed/felt so limited which was something I related to a lot and was the main factor in my frustration rather than my gender

>>8173164
They're not criteria; they're common symptoms, and none of them are by any means universal. Most if not all of them have been posted by trans people based on their own experiences.

>>8172298
kinda projecting ngl tbqh x333

>>8170695
>that GID is something that you can "unconsciously" have and that can only be detected through Freudian slips?
When is that implied in the op? It only refers to outward presentation

>>8171264
Some of these things don't apply as I'm a introverted loner, so I never had friends trying to paint my nails or do girly things with me for example. Looking back I've always been introverted but became a loner during puberty. My lonerness has gotten worse as I aged but my social skills have improved alot since my teen years.

>>8170651
>>8170656
Don't a lot of these things contradict each other?

>>8172983
I think it's an old pre-our-generation term that dropped out of usage and recently picked back up again

>>8173827
>Looking back I've always been introverted but became a loner during puberty
Shit, this is basically me. I just realized that I started getting addicted (to video games) PRECISELY as puberty hit, to run away from it all.

>>8173917
Yeah, it's this whole weirdo culture with all the morbid terms like deadname, chrysalis/butterfly analogies, egg, and hatching.
Basically the idea with "egg" is to find people who are still eggs, and help them hatch.

>>8172594
>>8172569
>>8172355
>>8172154
>>8172117
>>8171532
>>8171474
How do these make you feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awDYKp5Y-xg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd82y8tFOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5vbt10f4c

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>>8173251
but they're all signs of having an innate male identity that allows the man in question to contextualize themselves around people and activities based on wether or not that prostration is offensive to their male identity. the things listed above aren't even GNC, just "lite-masc" and "numale" forms of self-recognition and prostration.

but congrats, you've opened the door once again for thousands upon thousands of nasty intrusive men to steamroll over everybody. way to go, cucktard. why do i bother.

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>>8173982
happy for them
but it makes my whole body feel very weird, like my nerves are buzzing and there is a pit in my stomach.

>liking sports too much
>repressing tranny
>not liking sports
>tranny

this thread

>>8174030
You need to find a fucking hobby

You're not even transitioning you're just a freak of nature

>>8174033
a sort of lurching feeling, hm? like part of you wants to tear yourself away but can't?

>>8174085
Like i want a certain part of me to stop existing, a feeling of unhappiness mixed shame and confusion
Its really weird, i've been feeling it since i started posting in this thread

>>8173982
pretty irrelevant desu but I just got back from a phys final and the stress from that pretty much erased the identity crisis I was having.

Except now i'm wishing for it to come back and i'm actually worried I don't have dysphoria for some reason.

>>8174122
indifferent*, not irrelevant

>>8174085
sounds more like a muscular issue desu

>>8174084
i'm not wrong though

>>8174122
that's what we call the honeymoon period
it's the same reason folks enter the military etc. to repress, there's a period afterwards where the dysphoria is displaced by sense of purpose / achievement. but like drugs, repressors have to keep finding that bigger hit to breach their tolerance or suffer the withdrawal that gets worse each time.

>>8174121
>>8174085
It is indeed a lurching feeling btw

>>8174134
I dont even read your posts. Ive been here offensively for over two years all ive pretty much done and i don't even understand what you're talking about ever lmao

>>8174121
yeah
you're a girl

>>8174152
*obsessively

>>8173935
Wow yes I can relate video and computer games became an obsession for me as a teenager. I just never had physical dysphoria until much later, although I was bothered by my obesity. I had social and psychological dysphoria and was a crossdreamer yet was ok with masculinization of my body, in fact I even wanted to be swole. The teenage mind is strange.

>>8174030
Oh that's rich, the too masc to transition stalker is afraid of repressed trannies.

>>8174154
no they're not.

>>8170729
This baaaaiiiit thoooouuuugh

>>8174160
okay friendo
wait til the first wave of true, self-aware dysphoria hits them, then they'll know for sure

>>8171449
>Social loser that as sudden unsustainable burst in life where they "grow up", tidy themselves up, gets in shape, get a job, etc. end up in a stable but not amazing spot. Then lose all motivation for career advancement and sink back into depression

Fuck.

>>8174164
What does dysphoria even feel like?

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>>8174159
Why would I be afraid of you.... ? You're existence grates on me but it doesn't pose a threat to me and I'm not sure why you think it would.

>>8174197
*your

>>8172953
>There's a guy at work I suspect is MTF and I wanted to see if it was more than just a hunch.

>We've only spoken a few words to each other so I can't go by most of OP's criteria.
k

>All I know about him is he's really quiet and generally looks depressed.
k

>He's skellymode
k

>and wears glasses, and his hair is quite long for a guy and it's been dyed red/pink over brown (no bleach). He also doesn't wear his nametag. Thoughts?

Damn it! Why is this description never me?

>>8174180
I experienced a more vague sort of dysphoria and then later a more intense form when I became self aware. The vague dysphoria felt like depression or longing. The intense dysphoria felt very anxious and obsessive and it seemed like my mind was burning. Luckily for me weed seemed to make it mostly go away.

>>8174180
in the early stages it's more like a lurking sense of unease, that something's wrong in your life, I can only go by my own experience obviously but I assume in this stage it feels no different to any number of other malaises like generic depression or someone who's entered a career path, house move or education that actually wasn't the right choice

then you start getting body image issues, like you realise you don't like your body hair, or you don't like your sharp jaw, or you don't like the feel of your skin or the way your frame is built, in my case I thought being fat was the problem (I was almost 14 stone in high school) so I tried desperately to lose weight and became skellymode and for a while things felt more okay again like I'd achieved something and solved the problem

then a year or so later it came back and hit me again, stronger than before, just this sense that my whole being and aesthetic was "off" and uncomfortable, like you've fallen in mud during a walk and have to walk all the way home again covered in dried mud before you can wash it off, this feeling of recoiling within your own skin, just like "urgh, I feel dirty and icky"

(cont.)

>>8174197
Maybe your not afraid but your obviously bothered by us. I find that hypocritical because your no better than us, in fact your worse because you've directly hurt other trannies.

>>8174250
then (if you do make the connection) you realise that all the traits that make you feel this way about yourself are the gendered traits of your body- your skin, your facial bone structure, your flat chest, your ribcage, your facial hair, etc., optionally genitals (that varies a lot) and this is where the depression from it starts growing stronger and stronger as the realisation begins to take hold

especially as you start to explore social differences between the genders, and comparing the differences between your body and cis women in online pics and stuff, you develop what I can only describe as a loss of familiarity- ever lost a tooth and then afterwards when you use your tongue to feel around in the gap and the region feels big and foreign and distorted somehow? it feels kinda like that, crossed with the sinking feeling you get in your chest when you find out a friend has betrayed you, and it occurs wherever/whenever you are reminded or made aware of a gendered trait in your body. the gender dysphoria is now fully-fledged and by this point you are usually aware you are transgender unless you've built a heavy repression wall or didn't ever properly encounter the topic growing up so far. the general depression and disgust and the recoiling horror at this sensation of "wrongness" continue to grow until you break down, either transitioning, repressing even harder until another breakdown, or committing suicide.

>>8174248
the first part of this is also an accurate description of the early stage I describe in the previous post
weed won't make it go away forever though. I wish.

>>8174248
I have been feeling the latter everytime i see something trans related, its like i want to stop watching but can't

>>8174278
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>>8174270
Im barely 18 now
Untill 16 i felt like it would be nice to be a girl
Then when i was 16 i was unhappy with my male look, i was considering going out wearing make-up and female clothes to see if i would pass.
Then i used manlyness and nationalism to repress it, it worked somewhat but it made me severely unhappy, so i stopped that recently and now the need to feel feminine is returning

>>8174307
Fugggggg
What do?

>>8174324
>used nationalism to repress it
that would explain why my worst bout of disphoria coincided with being less nationalistic.

>>8174367
explore and research these things further, don't shy away from the pain out of avoidant behaviour, and if it seems like there's no other psychotic mental illness factors that could be causing it look into transition options. if you're in the states you can go to an Informed Consent clinic and some carry the anti-androgen bicalutamide, which preserves fertility if you want more time to make your mind up while not becoming more masculinised in the meantime. if you're in the UK, you can talk to your doctor, but the process is extremely long so most people self-medicate with meds bought from qhi.co.uk, which is a well-trusted site and has been going for ~20 years. if you're struggling in the USA (or a lot of other countries desu) qhi ships internationally too. HRTGen can help you with the details if do you feel like trying it or if you want to know more about the changes etc.

realistically you shouldn't take anyone's word for it that you're a tranny based on imageboard memes, but the traits described in this thread are the product of real transgirls pooling their real experiences, so if you do fit a number of them it's time for some serious consideration and introspection.

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>>8170651
>plays as girl characters in video games with a prepared excuse instantly delivered when you ask why "oh i just like how they look and staring at a butt while i play"

/v/ here, while it's fair to assume anyone doing this could be a closet fag or tranny, there's a big chunk of people that legitimately do it because they want to stare and jack off to the girl's body.
It's not an excuse, they seriously just want to do that with no ulterior motive.

Additionally, in a lot of games playing as a girl makes you faster and more agile, so a lot of people that want to perform better and/or find themselves more used to quicker, lighter characters will pick girls, there's no ulterior motive there too, they're just metagaming nerds.
Someone that picks Sheik in Smash doesn't always want to get pounded by dicks, for example, they just like hitting shit quickly and being agile.

If you're interested, there's a better way to judge if they're in the closet, in addition to them always picking female characters, check if they also have lewd anime girls (bonus points for a girl face cropped from a doujin) as their avatar on twitter, steam, skype etc.
The combination of these two elements has a 90% chance of indicating that they're actually legit in the closet.

Also if they pick yoshi in smash.
Ignore the girl characters, yoshi is the REAL ultimate red flag.
If they pick yoshi in smash they secretly fantasize about getting gang banged literally every single day, once they come out they're going to become the biggest manwhores you'll ever meet.

>>8174429
Thank you, i'll look into this

>>8174431
Yeah, nobody's suggesting having any one trait on this list makes you transgender, it's that if you fit a whole bunch or almost all of them, you've got some serious thinking to do.

>>8174445
no problem friendo, hope it helps

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>>8170678
>dysphoria curlmop
like this?

>>8174627
I have hair like this too and I'm repressing

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>>8170659
>>8170679
>>8170695
>>8170729
>>8174030
>>8174197

See this is why people fucking hates you Cara, you can not understand that a true cis person would never want to be the opposite sex, there's not such a thing as trutrans. Why the fuck do you think /pol/tards call us "mentally ill"?
A true cis person would never understand how it feels to live with the wrong body, and most of us don't understand what it feels like to have the right one either, it's perfectly understandable a person can't figure things out earlier because most of us thought that feeling like shit everytime was normal.

>But muh personal experience isn't like this
Mind if I remind you that not everyone gets the exact same life you've been living in? Does everyone live in the same country as you? The same culture? The same religion? The same family?

tl;dr Fuck you, and fuck off already.

>>8174627
I wish I could grow my hair out that long but it just sticks out once it gets to a certain length and idk how to fix that

>>8174627

Not what I was picturing. That looks like it's been brushed at least.

>>8174630
Yup, I'm starting to terms with it now, but have no idea where to start, I still live with my parents at 22 for christ sakes. It's not that I can't leave, but we're dirt poor and I help the bills get paid. And I don't want to have the whole trans conversation with them again. It can't be won. I feel like I'm just biding my time.

>>8174646
Where is the worst place that it sticks out?

>>8174662
I try to take good care of my hair, for real haha

>>8174664

>And I don't want to have the whole trans conversation with them again. It can't be won.

If they can't make it without you, they better shape up. Get them in line or leave them.

>>8174673
>Where is the worst place that it sticks out?
everywhere but mainly up top

>>8174664
self med, at least start blockers e.g. bicalutamide so you can start estrogen later when you want to without getting more masculinised in the meantime
HRTGen can give you the info

>>8170651
All this expect all the homophobia stuff because I am very open about my love for da cock.

>>8174676
Things are shaping up, financially. I'm going to see where it goes.

They're fine with me liking men, but being trans just seems like something they can't comprehend.

>>8174678
Do you trim the sides and bottom periodically? You really need to do that so that your hair up top can fall. Does your hair start curling at the roots or further down?

>>8174680
Will look into that.

>>8174704
>Do you trim the sides and bottom periodically?
I only get a haircut every 3-4 months or so and my sides are trimmed pretty short relative to the top (which is normal I assume?). And my hair curls from the root it can get to about 2-3 inches before it becomes unmanageable.

>>8174725
Hair that curls at the root can be really hard to manage. I'd ask a stylist, but maybe using some relaxer would help tame it a bit.

>>8174664
Wow we are in pretty similar situations actually but I'm 23. I figure I will come out one of these days if they accept me great I stay if they don't I leave.

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>>8170651
>tfw op's picture

>>8170651
What does egg spotting mean? Who came up with that?

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>>8175031
egg means Behelit, it's what trannies use to sell their souls and become women

>>8175189
I need to get one of those my soul is a small price to pay to be a woman.

>>8171334
>>8171338
How? HOW DO YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME?????

>>8171662
Last time someone called me handsome I stared confusedly at them for several minutes like you really talking to me?
I don't look good in men's formal wear and I'm not fond of formal events in general because I'm super autistic

>>8175189
>a woman is a man minus soul
Checks out

>>8171727
Underrated post

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Vapourwave sucks.

>>8175991
your soul sucks

Thank you, now I feel like a piece of shit.

>>8170651
>repressed homosexual tendencies
THEY'RE TRANS OF COURSE YOU TRANSPHOBE

God I cannot wait until lgbt starts to eat itself again.

>>8176074
Repressed homosexuals are NOT trans.

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>>8175996

>>8176117
Really, you sure? Cuz that's what lgbt fucking acts like 3/4 the time
>I'm gay
>no anon you're actually a girl
>come trans with us forever and ever

>>8176155
topkek

>>8172515
>I remember in school a friend asked me what I'd do if I found that I'd been made into a girl
Fuck, I almost outed myself so hard a few years ago with something like this.

A friend and I had a game where one of us would come up with a situation with pros and cons and ask which choice you'd make. Like if you could run really fast but couldn't walk at normal speed. Dumb example but you get the idea.

My friend asked about whether I'd transform into a girl. I wasn't thinking and immediately said "so what's the downside?". Super awkward pause, and I'm thinking "FUCK FUCK FUCK". Then finally he says "I mean, you can't turn back". Then I'm like "OHHH right, yeah probably not then" and pretended I didn't get that part, and we talked about it some more, being super cautious not to blurt anything else out.

>>8170651
I’m in denial/repressing. How much of a trans am I?
>lots of protesting when girly stuff comes up
Not really any friends to ask that, but I probably would grumble a little bit before caving
>they blush really hard when you talk about girly stuff
a classmate might say something, but I don't blush since I'm not directly involved in the conversation. I do listen intently though while doing my own thing
>"I'm not gay, but im not homophobic
Is "I've never had a problem with lgbt" close enough to count?
>plays as girl characters in video games
Yes. I have 3 or so prepared excuses depending on the game. I only don’t play girl characters when with normie tier friends so they don't judge me
>either very vocally opposed/silent
If in general group conversation I'm silent, see "I've never had a problem with lgbt" if directly asked about it.
>they let you paint their nails
no friends that would do that, but I probably would let them with only a few objections
>and put makeup
I think this needs more context
>really easy to go through their objections
I don't usually put up much of a fight on anything
>shitty unkempt hair
It's cut to medium length. I need it to look at least somewhat professional
>extremely unfeminine not in a deliberate way
I pretty much hit everything on that line
>football
don't watch it at all. I don't even watch the super bowl
>subculture
Not sure on this, but I probably am interested in something covered by this point.
>catgirls / anime traps
Does almost 500 anime reaction images and 1 unused trap workout guide count?
>identify as agender
I'll identify as male up until the point I change presentation
>crossdresses for Halloween
I haven't done anything for halloween in years and I never crossdressed for it. I have worn panties and leggings once before
>jokes about having boobs
nope, that sounds like pleb tier humor
>>8170656
>the clincher
pretty much my inner dialog if the thought of transition occurs
cont.

>>8176906
>>8170656
>Ostensibly straight
I did stray away from straight porn and went to mostly solo videos. Occasionally dip into trans porn, but not for long. I sometimes insert as the woman in porn.
>Has thing for trans girls
Sure I do, as long as they pass well and we liked each other. I’d be bummed about not being able to have kids but if a trans girl passed I wouldn’t be opposed to a relationship. In general I’m not very interested in sex.
>Multiple trans friends
I just have the one that I know of
>AGP
I barely know what the fuck that’s supposed to be, I have no opinion.
>>8171092
>Quiet guy Joins military to beat the girl out of himself
I thought about doing that
>attempt to look neat
I’m sort of scruffy, but if anything I obsess and try too hard to fit in with dress codes
>Functional Programming
Got me there
>Speedrunning
I would be lying if I haven’t tried to speedrun a few games
>>8171334
I do get uncomfortable when in a visible place
>>8171338
I don’t get violent, but I would rather not get photographed
>>8172515
>stares at girls a lot
I don’t stare like an autist, but I do get envious
>wears a jacket/long sleeved shirt
I always have my arms covered unless it’s really hot. I haven’t exposed my legs in public for years.
>avoid specifying gender
Never have this problem in person. Online I’ll say I’m a guy if directly asked but play along as a girl if possible
>detailed knowledge of HRT
Yes. I would say my excuse, but it may out me to people I know irl
>concealed despair
Not so much. I do hate if people say I’m handsome though. I’m always happy when people refer to me as a girl online.
>is emotionally distant
I’m emotionally distant with everyone, I’m pretty sure I have an intimacy problem.
>>8173982
>1st video
Something funny happening in my tear duct, twinge in my chest
>2nd video
Happy it worked out for her and that she wasn’t a hon.
>3rd
More feelings in my chest, something just seemed to draw me in.

>>8176902
Super awkward pause, and I'm thinking "FUCK FUCK FUCK". Then finally he says "I mean, you can't turn back". Then I'm like "OHHH right, yeah probably not then" and pretended I didn't get that part, and we talked about it some more, being super cautious not to blurt anything else out.
>awkward pause as if they also can't think of a downside
>talked about it some more
>super cautious
they're trans too anon.

>>8176902
Sounds like your friend was an egg too testing the water and seeing if other boys want to be girls too.

>>8176910
>awkward pause as if they also can't think of a downside
No more like they were trying to figure out why I'd said that.

>super cautious
I mean I was super cautious. He didn't seem particularly cautious.

>they're trans too anon.
>>8176910
>Sounds like your friend was an egg too

Nah, I'm quite confident he's not. I've known him since we were like 12 years old, and that's the one thing I can think of that even remotely points that way.

>>8176925
Never underestimate the power of repression.

>>8176945
I mean sure it's possible he's trans and repressing it really hard. But that's true of everyone.

>>8176913
Egg Combat is always funny.

>>8176950
Run her past the checklists upthread.

>>8176950
>asks if you want to be a girl
>can't name downside to being a girl
>goes back for more conversation about being a girl after not being rejected totally and probably getting the hint that you're secretly a girl too
100% girl

>>8176964
He fits almost none of it.

>>8176978
Hmm yeah you're right, your judgement after reading a two paragraph story summarising one interaction definitely trumps my experience knowing him for a decade. Thanks you've opened my eyes.

>>8176995
>almost none
aka a bunch of it.

You probably don't know the answers for her for lots of them anyway.

>>8177018
>aka a bunch of it.
aka 1 maybe 2 things.

I really don't know what to say. If you're able to take one conversation and jump straight to that conclusion you'd probably think anyone was trans. You're trying too hard to look for something that just isn't there.

>>8177027
I'm not saying she is for sure. We both need for information for our suspicions.

>>8176908
sounds tranny to me

>>8170651
>>they dont watch football


what the fuck does this even mean

how is that a defining characteristic

>>8177587
I guess it could be that football fans usually are obnoxious ultra masculine dudebro type of people, and you don't want to be associated with that. Being a football fan is very manly.

>don't want to paint nails
>h-haha stop repressing
>let someone paint nails
>hahah you're trans see

hmm

>>8174219
> looking for excuse to transition
> isn't trans
Keep telling yourself that.

>>8174431
>It's not an excuse, they seriously just want to do that with no ulterior motive.
>with no ulterior motive
>jack off at a character literally behind their back
>no ulterior motive

Gave me a chuckle.

>Someone that picks Sheik in Smash doesn't always want to get pounded by dicks
>being a woman is wanting to be pounded by dicks
Tells a lot about how trannyfags view women.

>>8170651
>>plays as girl characters in video games with a prepared excuse instantly delivered when you ask why "oh i just like how they look and staring at a butt while i play

I had to laugh. This is exactly why I make male characters and dress them in leggings or skintight stuff. Dat booty doe

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>>8174636
>a true cis person would never want to be the opposite sex
I neither have dysphoria nor would I mind living in a body of the opposite sex. Sometimes I find the idea hot, though realistically speaking I'd probably be bummed out by the periods and shit.

Just accept it, gender dysphoria *is* a psychological problem. Men who fear being viewed as women do so out of sexism, not because of their "gender identity." Normal people do not have a "gender identity" beyond *acceptance* of their sex or a culturally induced socialization into clinging to the sex roles enforced on them. People do not naturally cling to their sex as a prime parameter of their personal identity. People do that for social and cultural reasons. And people with gender dysphoria hate their sex not because they were "born with the opposite gender identity" but rather because they develop a mental disorder.

Also you need to stop thinking "mental illness" = "less worthy as a person." Lots of people have mental illnesses ranging from depression to borderline and function fine as members of society so long as they get proper treatment / are able to cope. It's no different for gender dysphoria. You may learn to cope without transitioning or use transition *to* cope; either way you're dealing with a psychological health condition and not struggling with some epic conflict between your True Inner Essence that you were born with which society conspires to deny you.

P.S. this isn't Cara.

>>8177775
>Sometimes I find the idea hot,
Elaborate?

>though realistically speaking I'd probably be bummed out by the periods and shit.
It's just bodily functions that make being male preferable to you?

>P.S. this isn't Cara.
You weren't saying trutrans/illegitimacy stuff, so why would anyone think you were?

>>8177775
what do i even do cara

im extremely depressed over not being female but I'm already 20 and not tru trans

suicide?

>>8177821
>suicide?
what if you just accepted yourself the way you are?

>>8177801
>Elaborate?
Mild AGP that's limited to when I intentionally indulge in it.

>It's just bodily functions that make being male preferable to you?
Not having the risk of getting pregnant and not having to bleed once a month would be the primary points that make me feel lucky for having a male body. The slightly superior physical capabilities are nice too. And if I'd had to endure sexism maybe I would have killed myself because I'm a hyper-sensitive person; on the other hand maybe I wouldn't have been as unsocial because I might have gotten along better with girls and it would have been socially acceptable for me to make friendships with them, so who knows.

>You weren't saying trutrans/illegitimacy stuff, so why would anyone think you were?
I was responding to someone responding to Cara, and people confused me for him/her before but I guess that was because I was talking about AGP.

>>8177821
Get professional mental health care, use anti-depressants, exercise, learn to respect women and find a girlfriend who you can bidirectionally empathize with.

>>8177755
>Tells a lot about how trannyfags view women.
so?

>>8177775
Scientists largely think gender identity is innate and set at an early age. Why do you think you're right and they're wrong?

>Mental illness
The very term "illness" implies that you want to be rid of it. People wish to be rid of depression. If you ask a successful transitioned transsexual whether they'd like to be "cured" so they can return to living as their original gender I bet that, by and large, the answer would be "go fuck yourself".

Dysphoria is an illness. The identity component is not.

>>8177828
>Mild AGP that's limited to when I intentionally indulge in it.
What kind of AGP? Do you have a normal sexuality when you're not indulging it?

>And if I'd had to endure sexism maybe I would have killed myself because I'm a hyper-sensitive person;
Anon there's sexism against males too...

>>8177828
You like bigger physical strength?
I am ashamed of it, it's like I'm cheating, in a way. If I were a woman I could work for my strength, and be proud of my accomplishments, but as a male it's just like, well I am male so it's not like I deserve it, and if I started working out I'd have to worry about becoming a muscle monster.

>>8177862
HRT significantly weakens men :^)

>>8177862
you poor thing.
it really must be difficult being so alpha and all.
/sarc

>>8177872
Not them but being strong is shit. You're always asked to carry things. When I grow up I want to be smol.

>>8177836
>Scientists largely think gender identity is innate and set at an early age.
If you provide any citations, we can discuss on what they really mean with "gender identity" and what parts are hard data and what parts are conjecture.

>The very term "illness" implies that you want to be rid of it.
No, many mental illnesses are such that the affected person doesn't accept that they have it, consider it part of their personality, etc.

See also: "pro-ana".

>>8177848
>What kind of AGP?
Submissiveness, wanting to have a hairless, hot, feminine body, fetish for feminine clothes like skirts, stockings, high-heels, and so on. Basically the sexist porn construction of "slutty" women turned into an inward fetish.

>Do you have a normal sexuality when you're not indulging it?
For some definition of "normal", yes.
I like the idea of making a cute woman feel safe and valued, relaxed, and to pleasure her.

>Anon there's sexism against males too...
Well yes, the kind I suffered: being made to feel insecure and mutilating your personality because you're made to believe you have to fit into some acceptable style of masculinity (doesn't have to be "macho", can also be just "cold and indifferent" e.g., in any case never fabulously cheerful, "gay/queer"). But constant boundary violations and being viewed like a fuck toy by society would likely have had a worse effect.

>>8177862
>if I started working out I'd have to worry about becoming a muscle monster
Uh, you first just get toned / a little buff. You have to train really hard to become seriously muscular. Or do you have dysphoria so every bit of masculinity triggers you or so?

>>8177872
>>8177875
I'm not strong and my basic assumption is that everyone is stronger than me, including women, because I am very weak for being male. But sometimes there is someone who is weaker than me, and I don't like being complimented for strength.

Also the general requirement for males to do physical work sucks yeah.

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>>8177875
yeah, carrying things is awful!

>>8170651
This is mostly accurate. Been thru all of this.

>>8177910
>the general requirement for males to do physical work sucks

i suppose you would rather cook and clean.
but i'm guessing your mom does that for you.

>>8177905
>I like the idea of making a cute woman feel safe and valued, relaxed, and to pleasure her.
Sounds like projected AGP to me.

>being made to feel insecure and mutilating your personality because you're made to believe you have to fit into some acceptable style of masculinity
What made you feel that insecurity?

What was your personality mutilated from and to?

>But constant boundary violations and being viewed like a fuck toy by society would likely have had a worse effect.
Why do you say that?

>>8177828
>find a girlfriend who you can bidirectionally empathize with


i like guys though

and my other problem is I can't see myself in a relationship as a guy, I can only see myself as a girl

>>8177910
>women being stronger than men
only if they workout a lot while the man does nothing

>>8177905
>If you provide any citations, we can discuss on what they really mean with "gender identity" and what parts are hard data and what parts are conjecture.
I can't. This is just something I've heard constantly repeated by reputable sources. I know it is the scientific consensus in the same way that I know global warming being real is the scientific consensus. Do you disagree with this being the consensus?

>No, many mental illnesses are such that the affected person doesn't accept that they have it, consider it part of their personality, etc.
Why call having a cross-sex identity an illness? What does it mean for something to be an illness? Is abnormality automatically an illness?

>girlfriend is touching my body, kisses and stuff
>grabbing my ass
>I'm really into it
>she touches my penis
>suddenly feel sick

What did I mean by this?

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>>8170651
Hmmmmm
I have a friend who meets more of these than me.

hmmmmmmm

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>Cara poster destroyed another thread

I want off this ride.

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>>8178483
in that moment you realized that if you allowed yourself to get turned on and virilize your girl penis then you would become an evil male rapist and as such deserving of death, so you quickly squelched that evil thought and relinquished all desires for power and became a submissive castrated sissygirl the way God and Allah intended.

>>8178559
I would've appreciated a serious answer, but this works too

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>>8170651
>men who are opposed to trannies are trannies
>men who paint their nails (usually just homosexuals) are trannies
>men who don't like football are trannies
>men with neckbeards are trannies
>men who like feminine shit are trannies
>men who DON'T like feminine shit are trannies

This is why 99% of the planet thinks you trannies are fucking deranged lunatics, you see trannies literally everywhere.

>>8178622
you must be new here
first rule of /lgbt/ club is everyone's a tranny

>>8178672
I've been on this board since day 1.

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>>8178674
and you still haven't come to terms with the fact that everyone thinks trannies are crazy?

>>8178694
The post I made above pretty much indicates I'm affirming it, no?

>>8178622
Are you stupid? Nobody said if you had any of those you are a tranny. Those are just common traits of trannies before realizing it, even if you have all of them you could very much not be one.

Use your head

>>8178709
>being any kind of male is the defining trait of a tranny
Really fries dem eggplants

>>8178696
>haven't come to terms with

Reading Comprehension 0/10

>>8178720
What do you mean? Also I never said "defining".

>>8178725
>common traits of a MtF tranny
>has a penis
>has XY chromosomes
>likes vidya
WTF everyone is a tranny now

>>8170656
>Thinks AGP is a real and serious thing that ISN'T trans, because it's the only magic get-out-of-trans card that lets them match the description of trans exactly, but claim they aren't.
AGP is a real and serious thing (not a scientific theory though) that is on the trans spectrum. But despite being on the trans spectrum, agp doesn't have to have dysphoric properties. I know this because I have agp and I enjoy being dominant in a cis relationship while my agp can be satisfied through vaginal sex (I am male). It's more about my perceived gender role than a need to really have female anatomy. Though my agp can be sated even when a girl is riding me so judging by the responses about agp on this board I guess I am not your run of the mill agp male.

>>8178731
????

>>8178748
?????

>>8178019
>Sounds like projected AGP to me.
LOL, straightforward heterosexuality is "projected AGP" now?

>What made you feel that insecurity?
Norms of masculinity.

>What was your personality mutilated from and to?
From a caring loving person to someone with schizoid personality disorder who goes through daily life like a zombie or a robot.

>Why do you say that?
Because constant boundary violations and being a fuck toy in society's eyes seem more severe than what happened to me.

>>8178028
You probably have the same issue I used to have: you cannot envision men ever *not* being "manly". A man who isn't "manly" is automatically a faggot, gay, sissy, ... subhuman in a way. So goes the mentality of male supremacy, and we're groomed into deeply believing this from birth. It latches itself like a cancer into your subconscious and takes a lot of understanding to deconstruct. I had the massively helpful aspect of my parents both being very progressive and against gender norms and still only managed to ease up at around age 20 after getting into radical feminist texts.

It's not easy but you can probably do it if you try hard. Just be that "girl" that you envision, except that "girl" is really a person who is male, i.e. a guy in literal terms. Even the word "guy" sounds contradictory with the image you have in mind of yourself, but that's just the brainwashing. "Man" or "guy" literally just mean you have a penis, end of story. No further qualities are part of the definition. Blaire White is a man. Literally.

>>8178814
>LOL, straightforward heterosexuality is "projected AGP" now?
It just sounded extremely female-focused is all. Not about you as a man and her as a woman. Just her.

>Norms of masculinity.
But what pushed those norms on you so badly?

>seem more severe than what happened to me.
I might not have argued with this before your last line, but really? How could you write this a second after saying what happened to you?

>>8178067
You're probably misinterpreting what scientists mean with "gender identity" because they don't use it in the same way it's used under transgender terminology.

>Why call having a cross-sex identity an illness?
Because it makes you unhappy over your perfectly physically healthy body. It requires medical intervention to make you happy. That's a coping mechanism. Healthy people don't require medical intervention on their body to be able to cope with it.

>>8178483
You were feeling warm and cozy from the loving touches, but weren't mentally prepared for a purely sexual touch.
Possibly it has also something to do with your mind drawing too strong of a line between "cozy, loving" and "sexual". Those two things should be able to go together in a healthy person.

>>8171092
>Functional Programming
as opposed to object oriented programming? i don't get why this is so specific

>>8178838
>It just sounded extremely female-focused is all.
Well I *am* a heterosexual male, meaning I'm focused on females...

>Not about you as a man and her as a woman. Just her.
Are you suggesting that heterosexual men normally gain pleasure from thinking about themselves and how manly they are during sexual activity? Because that sounds self-obsessed.
Of course, tons of men have masculine insecurities so quite likely this is how many men experience sex, but that's emotional poverty resulting from masculine socialization, not normal heterosexuality. Sad that you think it's normal.

>But what pushed those norms on you so badly?
All of society. They're everywhere: media (movies, music, video games, comics), linguistic constructs (praises, insults, common phrases), tales, jokes, reactions to the actions of boys by other people, and so on.

>I might not have argued with this before your last line, but really? How could you write this a second after saying what happened to you?
Do you understand what I mean when I say "boundary violation"?
I was turned into a reclusive robot but at least I kept my dignity. I made my boundaries absolute so I couldn't be hurt. I'm very sensitive about personal boundaries, too, both physically and mentally. Experiencing constant boundary violation could have as well annihilated my personality.
As I said though, I can't know for sure, because other things might have been less bad in turn, so who knows.

>>8178862
FP is an extremely nerdy thing that perfectionist / elitist computer scientists are into. It attracts quirky personalities, if you will. And maybe neurologically sensitive ones. My own theory for why there's many trans who are into CompSci is that they're just sensitive effeminate men who develop dysphoria because of norms of masculinity. Also quirkier people are more into fetishes so add AGP to the mix...

Also see: me. Probably dodged the dysphoria bullet lightly thanks to early parenting or something.

BTW Scheme > Haskell

>>8178908
>Are you suggesting that heterosexual men normally gain pleasure from thinking about themselves and how manly they are during sexual activity?
I meant a mixed focus. Himself being manly, her being feminine, himself penetrating, her being penetrated, his pleasure, her pleasure too. Not all about how she feels, with yourself only being involved to make it happen.

>Of course, tons of men have masculine insecurities so quite likely this is how many men experience sex, but that's emotional poverty resulting from masculine socialization, not normal heterosexuality.
Why is it insecure/emotional poverty? Isn't focusing on either themselves or their partner just as one-sided whichever way it is?

>Sad that you think it's normal.
Please anon, don't bully... I really have no idea what normal people are like so how could I know what's normal!

>tales, jokes, reactions to the actions of boys by other people,
What tales, jokes and reactions pushed the norms on you?

>Do you understand what I mean when I say "boundary violation"?
>Experiencing constant boundary violation could have as well annihilated my personality.
I don't really know... How could it have done that to you if girls manage to survive it?

>because other things might have been less bad in turn,
Which other things?

>>8179024
>Why is it insecure/emotional poverty? Isn't focusing on either themselves or their partner just as one-sided whichever way it is?
I don't think it makes sense to focus on oneself as much as one's partner during sexual activity. The partner is the focus. This always seemed like common sense to me DESU.

>What tales, jokes and reactions pushed the norms on you?
I have to leave and this is really basic... Have you never learned what sex roles and stereotypes are? Masculinity, machismo, "alpha male", the courageous knight saving the poor princess, the faggy boy who's the butt of every joke, the bullying boys receive for being "girly", and so on and so forth. How can someone not know these things?

>How could it have done that to you if girls manage to survive it?
Because I'm hyper-sensitive.
Also girls do have a higher rate of mental disorders IIRC.

>Which other things?
Refer to older posts. The emotional poverty and unsociability.

Also I guess you're trying to pull some psycho-analysis crap right now? I'd indulge but have to go. May respond again in ~20 hours.

>>8178843
The touching was sexual in intention and I was ok with that, until my genitals were touched. Legitimately worrying it's something to do with dysphoria?

>>8179104
>muh genitals!

oh please, that's not even how it works

>all these bored NEETS LARPing as sex abuse survivors

>>8179086
>The partner is the focus. This always seemed like common sense to me DESU.
Oh. Maybe it's different for girls?

>I have to leave and this is really basic... Have you never learned what sex roles and stereotypes are?
I do know, roughly, but I wanted to hear which ones affected you. When you got bullied for being girly, which reactions made you feel you had to be more masculine, etc?

>Also girls do have a higher rate of mental disorders IIRC.
Oh. Maybe the boundary thing is why. I didn't know that...

>The emotional poverty and unsociability.
Right. What are they like though? I don't see the being focused on oneself during sex as a sign of that. Shouldn't girls have more emotional poverty and unsociability just like with mental disorders, because of the worse treatment?

>Also I guess you're trying to pull some psycho-analysis crap right now? I'd indulge but have to go. May respond again in ~20 hours.
I'm not! I'm just very bad at explaining myself and unaware of lots of things normal people know.

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>>8172621
That's a good question anon.
"Just checking, like, for real though."?

>>8177746
Never said I wasn't trans, but I'm on hormones and in permanent boymode. It's just that I hold out hope that for once, some girl who is into that kinda thing, and good at spotting it, will notice and make a move.

>>8172621
Trying to figure out if I'm trans or not.

You are gay? You're just a repressed HSTS.
You're a heterosexual man? Repressed AGP

>tranny logic

>>8170664
I guess brain damage would be a sign.

>>8172621
My life is pretty fucked up and I like reading about people who have it worse than I do. It makes me feel much better.

>>8172621
I'm still questioning whether or not I've been repressing during my life or if I'm just confused at this moment. Since I hate myself and can't be happy, I troll around /lgbt/ and just see how much of myself I see in everything.

I usually see a lot of myself

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>>8175189

But Griffith is an emotionally stunted femboy, not a tranny

Femboys aren't trannies

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>>8181545

>Femboys aren't trannies

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>>8181715
>Implying Griffith wants to be a girl

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>>8181715
So is Kuja a trannie?

>>8179225
>Maybe it's different for girls?
Why would it be? As per conventional knowledge, women lust after men, though possibly less intensively than the other way around.

>When you got bullied for being girly, which reactions made you feel you had to be more masculine, etc?
I don't remember if I was ever bullied for being girly. I can interpret social interactions between other people and take up other cultural signals about "appropriate behavior" quite well and I wouldn't know of any one instance in which I particularly had my mind changed. It's literally the *whole* of one's experience in the society that brainwashes one into sex roles and stereotypes, and this applies to everyone, not just me. I just had to struggle more than many because the roles and stereotypes forced onto males are strongly in contrast with my personality.

>What are they like though? I don't see the being focused on oneself during sex as a sign of that.
A constant self-obsession and insecurity over whether one is being sufficiently manly would sure lead to experiencing sex as an expression of one's own manliness instead of one's love for another person.

>Shouldn't girls have more emotional poverty and unsociability just like with mental disorders, because of the worse treatment?
Female people are stereotyped as being overly emotional and naturally sociable. This means they're at least allowed to have rich emotions and form sincere bonds with others.

>I'm not! I'm just very bad at explaining myself and unaware of lots of things normal people know.
You're certainly being odd. Do you have autism?

>>8170651
Arin hansen is trans?

>>8181826
>implying not

>>8183833
yes

>>8183833
this

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>>8183859
He's a God now so he would've become a girl and married Guts if that's what he really wanted

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>>8183833

>>8178843
>Because it makes you unhappy over your perfectly physically healthy body. It requires medical intervention to make you happy. That's a coping mechanism. Healthy people don't require medical intervention on their body to be able to cope with it.
not that anon, this is correct but why the fuck would anyone think we shouldn't offer that coping mechanism?

>>8178843
>You're probably misinterpreting what scientists mean with "gender identity" because they don't use it in the same way it's used under transgender terminology.
Since most scientists support the current transsexual zeitgeist I don't think that's the case. The mainstream non-SJW one anyhow.

>Because it makes you unhappy over your perfectly physically healthy body. It requires medical intervention to make you happy. That's a coping mechanism. Healthy people don't require medical intervention on their body to be able to cope with it.
I see. In a way that's sensible but in another calling something that people do not wish to be rid of an illness is strange. The term carries an Ought in it. One "ought" cure an illness, since that is how the word is usually defined. Meanwhile the people with this illness would rather be cured of the dysphoria that stems from it but not from the source, which they consider to be part of their identity.

>>8185067
I'm not sure if anyone in the thread argued that said coping mechanism shouldn't be offered.

>>8185275
>Since most scientists support the current transsexual zeitgeist I don't think that's the case. The mainstream non-SJW one anyhow.
No seriously I'd like to see what studies support the claim of inborn and immutable "gender identity". On the other hand, see:
>>8164720
In particular:
>>8184747
>>8184792
>>8184853
>>8184916

Also see:
https://rftbk.github.io/blog/science-review-2014.html

There's a few "scientists" who are hooked on trans dogma and support it at all costs, but I'm not aware of any studies really having convincing evidence for it and neither do I think the larger psyche community supports the notion.

>Meanwhile the people with this illness would rather be cured of the dysphoria that stems from it but not from the source, which they consider to be part of their identity.
An adult person can make that choice, but it should not be normalized and neither paid by health care if it's simply a choice. Health care should only pay for transitioning once it's established that for the individual in question, the condition adversely affects their well-being and there is no other viable option than to transition.

I'm talking about physical transitioning by the way, primarily HRT. Legal transitioning (changing legal sex) and social transitioning (changing preferred name and clothing style) are different matters. The former I'm mostly opposed to, the latter I mostly DGAF about.

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>>8183833
>>8183900
>>8183907
>>8185056

No.
He's just bi and extremely childish.
He's not "evil" type of childish, he's literally a person that approaches life in a playful, willingly immature way so he also approaches sex with a childlike innocence.

He'll most definitely fuck a dude under the right circumstances and using the right make up he can be somewhat feminine.
He has explored his sexuality a bit in his life and experimented here and there but he settled with women in the end.
If he ever got out of his current marriage he would probably fuck (or get fucked) by a dude.
But he's not trans, just bi not-really-in-the-closet-basically-almost-out.

>>8185337
>No seriously I'd like to see what studies support the claim of inborn and immutable "gender identity".
See what I wrote previously. I can't really dispute what you're saying either as I'm unfamiliar with the details. All in all I'm just not armed with the knowledge required to argue with you at any reasonable level so I can't call you wrong. It does appear like the consensus is against you (which doesn't by itself mean you're wrong or that I'm proving so in this post or anything).

>An adult person can make that choice, but it should not be normalized and neither paid by health care if it's simply a choice.
The point about healthcare I get but if something becomes common and accepted in a culture why shouldn't it be normalized?

>The former I'm mostly opposed to.
Since HRT does have a significant effect on the brain and, in the case of younger transitioners, the body I don't think it is accurate to think of transsexuals as being their birth sex. They're not the sex they transitioned to either. They're kind of intersexed. Why not reflect that in legal papers? I'd argue there's more utility, both legal and medical, to recording this.

>>8185346
t. egoraptor

>>8186048
kek

>>8170651
>"I'm not gay, but im not homophobic or anything, i have gay friends" strange hinting about *something*
check
>they let you paint their nails.
yup
>They have long shitty unkempt hair. it really needs to be brushed and conditioned.
damn
>they dont watch football
I
>interested in anime, vaporwave, or other subculture associated with insular and depressed behaviour
guess
>has pics of catgirls / anime traps on PC
I'm
>jokes about how cool it would be to have boobs but it isn't entirely for sexual reasons
trans.

>>8185346
This dude looks like soy

>>8173982
Felt jealous, but that's the feeling I get whenever I see happy people that look like they have a purpose, not just trans people

>>8185478
>The point about healthcare I get but if something becomes common and accepted in a culture why shouldn't it be normalized?
Because people quite possibly develop dysphoria due to gender norms. Especially dysphoric youth should not be encouraged to take the medical approach, but rather eschew the system of gender if they are able and be their authentic selves in their unmutilated, unapologetic bodies.

>They're kind of intersexed. Why not reflect that in legal papers?
That would be fine. All is fine so long as men don't get an easy pass into legal recognition as women. A strictly regulated switch to legally becoming a woman could be acceptable too. (E.g. any background of violence is an immediate blacklisting, and one must prove that one is genuinely trans, etc.)

>>8190122
>All is fine so long as men don't get an easy pass into legal recognition as women.
Why is gatekeeping so great?

>any background of violence is an immediate blacklisting,
What's wrong with trans women who tried to repress by enlisting, or got into crime because of their unsupportive backgrounds, or were victims of false accusations?

>and one must prove that one is genuinely trans, etc.
How does that happen in your gatekeeping fantasy?

>>8190310
>Why is gatekeeping so great?
Because violent men in female-only spaces is bad news.

>What's wrong with trans women who tried to repress by enlisting, or got into crime because of their unsupportive backgrounds, or were victims of false accusations?
Tough luck. Their concerns don't get to override the safety of all women from sexual and other physical violence.

>How does that happen in your gatekeeping [suggestion]?
E.g. in Germany, two separate independent medical experts need to provide testimony for the sincerity of the person's cross-sex identification, for a legal sex change to be done.
That's just one trivial possibility from many.

>>8170651
>I'm not gay
I want transbians to >>>/go/.

Good work thread >>8193284

>Is literally addicted to an RPG mobage like Granblue Fantasy or Fate Grand Order to escape their shitty repressing life
Or even worse, idol mobages

>>8172621
Well, I think I'm agender, I present partially female, and I'm taking HRT even though I don't identify as a woman or trans. I only hit 2 of OP's checklist btw, so definitely not repressed trans.

>>8190389
German MTFs are mostly Hons though. You're all gate kept for so long you turn into cringey hons that doctors manipulate into acting like caticatures.

Arguably far worse than the states.

>Be me, 24
>Socially awkward
>Absolutely hate getting pictures taken, I cant smile during them. Probably less then ten over the last 8 years.
>Hate body hair, I epilate ever once and a while. I'm always worried coworkers will see when we go to the gym.
>Girl in vidya (this seems like a red herring imo)
>Stay at home if I don't have to go out.
>Cross dress at home (yoga pants, panties, shits and hoodies etc)
>Paint nails at home clean off the night before work.
>Keep short beard so I appear masc
>E. Engineering + all associated tropes
>Used to be bullied middle/high school
>Dislike sports
>I get a haircut maybe once every 4 months
>Contemplating HRT just to test it

I ID as a cis male and don't think I'm a girl. I'd say I'm just luke warm to being a guy. I'd say I'd rather be in between.

>>8198247
>just to test it
Girl or not, we hope all goes well for you Anon!

>>8170651

>>Contemplating HRT just to test it

Is hrt something you can do just to test?

>>8199860
Yes. If it is for you certain psychological changes will happen fairly quickly and are quite reliable indicator. As in 99% reliable.

>>8199882
I know what you're talking about and I had those changes and now I couldn't really imagine living without HRT
But are you sure it doesn't just affect everyone like this?
And that there are cis people who might benefit from HRT psychologically but who will never know because they would never even try it?

>>8199903
yeah, it's crazy it is so accurate. Most medical tests they are happy if they are better than 70% accurate. 99% accurate is a crazy high specificity.

>>8199929
But have you ever heard about anyone who tried hrt and didn't like/disliked the effects?

>>8199903
>>8199882
What are these changes? What should I look out for if I try?

>>8200084
you'll know it if/when it happens

>>8200103
How long does it take? Can I order just one month, and then know it in time to order for the next week if it happens? Or do I need to order two months from the very beginning?
Also, will I know if it doesn't happen too? Could I end up with it not happening, but I think I need more time, or think something really minor was it happening?

>>8200379
why do you want to try HRT? what kind of effects would you like it to have? are you depressed/anxious or dysphoric right now?

>>8200379
It'll essentially make you feel so much better you won't want to stop

>>8199938
Trans men:
>I'm changing too fast and I can't recognize myself
>I can't cry now
>I have a rich female history and am destroying it
>Somehow being masculine makes me feel worse

I wonder if cis females can get gender dysphoria. Venturing out on to youtube make the whole trans thing seem one sided.

>>8200786
what if being a girl is objectively better tho

>>8200379
from qhi.co.uk it's normally good to order 3 months worth at a time and order with 2-3 weeks to spare

>>8200806
Yeah, that's sort of what I'm thinking

>>8170651
>insular

that's hot

>>8200466
That's a difficult question, I'm not really sure. I'd want the advantages of being female, for example I want to get into fashion. But that's really just something I'd get if I were lucky. Maybe to be more open socially, maybe I could finally make friends. It would stop my process towards getting manlier. But maybe it's just that /lgbt/ tells me I'm trans, and all trannies need to do HRT.

>>8200470
Thanks

>>8200843
My plan was to order from there, but I don't want to order large quantities before I know it's something I want to keep doing. It's really expensive, and there's the risk of it being stopped at the border, seeing as it's illegal where I live, and don't want to throw away more money than I need to if that happens.

>>8198247
>Girl in vidya (this seems like a red herring imo)
red herring why?

>Cross dress at home (yoga pants, panties, shits and hoodies etc)
why? do you fap to it?

I have a friend that meets a lot of these and we'd even RP as girls back in high school but he grew out of it and is happy and cis. Either he's some crazy exception or deserves some award for repression.

>>8206098
>but he grew out of it and is happy and cis
Ask him if he'd be a girl if he could choose.

Also, what kind of RP?

>>8206109
I don't talk a lot with the person since high school but have probed the issue occasionally and gotten no signs.

RP was normal chatting but with different names and slight personality change. No purpose we just liked to be that role.

>>8206157
>but have probed the issue occasionally and gotten no signs.
Let's hear.

>No purpose we just liked to be that role.
Now that's interesting.

so how accurate is all this?

>>8205793
Idk who wants to play a guy? If the option exists I'm assuming most people will play as girl imo

Nah, I just like it its comfy and makes me feel good.

>>8171830
GOD yes this was me i insisted on wearing a pool shirt since i was 8 even though i'm in fine shape

>>8209628
Very as far as I can tell, footballs alright. You can feel your body shake when they get hit really hard though. It's kind of hot know that I think about it.

>be in denial and repressing
>have an important social event coming up
>can't, or rather shouldn't, look like a total bum
>go to get my hair cut down
>made eye contact with myself in the mirror as it was being cut
>for just a second, I imagined having long girl hair
>almost started to tear up in the near-empty hair salon
If I meet most of the points mentioned in the thread, this only strengthens the point that I may be trans right?