Why are most of the transwomen here innately sensitive to and

Because it's 4chan and 4chan is cancerous in every way

t. oldfag

>>8152798
>why are people who got the worst end of how feminists and traditionalists alike privilege women over men upset by being discriminated against

Because they're nerd boys who transition because they have AGP, and it's very common for nerd boys these days to have a history of identifying with internet anti-femininst movements

>>8152798
They understand the game from both sides of the table.

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>>8152877

>>8152877
They wish they did.

>>8152909
If they didn't, why would they want to be women?

>>8152861
>boys

>>8152933
you're a man, yes.

>>8152817
So why I never see your lot attack traditionalists? You focus exclusively on feminists.

>>8152923
Fetishism, of course.

>Feminist/SJW shit becomes big and obnoxious
>people attack them a lot
>attacking feminists and SJW shit becomes big and obnoxious
>people attack these people now because being anti-feminim became too popular for hipsters
>now attacking anti-feminists is too popular for hipsters so we are back to step 1

>>8152877
MRAs obviously don't understand the other side, the only side they know is that of the beta male cuck virgin. Once you become enlightened (female-socialized), you'll understand.

>>8153010
That doesn't really constradict what they said.

>>8153010
How can I become enlightened if I'm a 20 yo faggot?

>>8153023
it's over for you

>>8152798
>projecting.
I don't care about shitting on masculinity. In fact being critical of masculine roles is what got me here.

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>>8153213
>tfw never had any problems with being a gay MALE
>tfw I come to /lgbt/
>tfw I start hating faggots and wish I had been brainwashed by the Left into becoming a tranny
>tfw will never be a stronk womyn early transitioner like Eli Erlick or Cara

The very notion of criticizing masculinity or "males in general" is comically sexist. You imply that masculinity or being male is inherently bad somehow

>>8153731
and?

>>8153800
So any rational person, trans or no, would find the OP to be full of shit

>>8152989
>why are you cucks?
because they are literally failed men cucks fooled into thinking traditional values benefit failed men (they don't)

>>8152861
>Because they're nerd boys who transition because they have AGP, and it's very common for nerd boys these days to have a history of identifying with internet anti-femininst movements
t h i s

you get fucking nothing for bashing feminists except your own special internet safe space meanwhile chad is enjoying life not giving a shit about women OR FAILED MEN

>>8153813
>meanwhile chad is enjoying life not giving a shit about women OR FAILED MEN

The massively high male suicide rate shits on this stupid argument. Just because some people reach hyper success in life doesn't mean things are good for the general population of a group. There are people in middle eastern / african shitholes that end up being millionaires, that doesn't mean life is good for everyone else.

>>8153816
but you're just proving my point?
traditional values and conservatism promote no empathy for the people who cannot thrive in that environment these values create

why would internet communities of miserable men "unsuccessful" in some aspect of their lives as defined by the status quo,
turn around to then rally behind the status quo and actively attack feminism? (and become equally annoying)

why don't you see a bunch of traditionally successful and fulfilled men speaking out about male suicide, depression, social isolation etc. but you can find plenty of suicidal, depressed, soon to transition beta men convinced they have
to defend, rationalize and argue for the worst aspects of masculinity?

they got brainwashed into thinking they were on the same team,
but they couldn't be more disposable!

>>8153874
Feminism is the status quo dummy

>>8153813
>fooled into thinking traditional values benefit failed men (they don't)
Traditional values benefit women, hence transgenderism for failed men.

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>>8152989
becuase you are absolute retarded drunk with confirmation bias. one of the main reasons trannys are so left is because the right in most countries is busy sucking religious dick and wants to ban us, a better question for you butthurt feminists is why you keep being so god damn sexist against your own women banning girls like this from /r/food for being problematic but praising babbish despite him being the same level of """""professional""""" quality just male.

>>8154882
>the right in most countries ... wants to ban us,

>>8153010
>>8152877
also this, anyone who disagrees doesnt know anything about politics, reactionary movements are cancer. feminism and MRA/MRM are locked in a death spiral of polarization and flanderization. get out while you still can.

>>8154884
yes, its called making something illegal. welcome to the real world. it's not your le epic anonymous maymay

>>8154899
[citation needed]

>>8153806
no they wouldn't

>>8154965
not my job to educate you on politics.

>>8155302
>spout alternative facts
>"it's not my job to prove my lies aren't lies!"
typical leftie

>>8152798
>critique of masculinity
Is that how you refer to your resentment of men, stemming from your poor and neglectful relationship with your dad?
It's like saying "critique of femininity" or "critique of blackness". You're just revealing your emotional issues and contempt.

>>8153010
>if you're not a feminist, you're an MRA
>if you judge feminists negatively, you're a tradcon anti-feminist, as opposed to just sane
shiggy

>>8155349
>implying this isn't true
>>8155341
i'm sorry should males be exempt of criticism just cause you're some crazy tranny?

>>8155320
>durr
typical history denier, pretending sex out of wedlock and sodomy wasn't illegal

>>8155367
you sure seem salty over being wrong.

>>8155367
>should males be exempt of criticism
What does that even mean though
What would be examples of criticisms of women? It makes no sense to criticize a whole gender you numbknuckle

>>8152798
I'm not against it, but most criticism of males and masculinity is just intellectually bunk and poorly thought out.

The world, including women, demands men to be men, and to be monsters in a way because atleast they are useful when they do and not pathetic or harmless, then we invent all these intellectually bunk theories about masculinity in the face of that. It's unfair and I'm kind of sick of the feminizing of society simply because the kids here are too myopic to see how men are socialized and why it's a system thats worked to create all the good things you take for granted, rather than this soft-brained idea that if men were all neutered toothless emasculated puppies that we'd all be living in a utopia.

>>8153813
traditional values didn't benefit failed men, but they made it easier to not let that happen, imo. As far as the dating game goes, it's way easier to be classified as a "failed male" than it was before. Society became everyone's caretaker and the need for good men has dropped, so that men need to be so much more to be considered good men, where before you got the title of being a good man just by working hard and taking care of your family. These are my opinions atleast.

>>8155523
it makes perfect sense

>>8153816
"the masssive male suicide rate"even though women attempt suicide more than men do but thats ignored as mass attention seeking or something (because men hate women lol)

women have it harder than men in every respect, you male privileged idiots. i cant wait for all you cowardly 4chan perma-boymode trans-on-the-internet types to actually go out and live in the world as women and get actually fucking opppressed, not just being sad because girls didnt fuck you because you got bullied and developed social anxiety or whatever

>>8156906
>women attempt suicide more than men do but thats ignored
lol, since when

men don't attempt suicide as a cry for help because they know no-one is listening.

>>8156906
Funny because my life is infinitely easier and better now that I actually DO live as a girl

>>8156906
>even though women attempt suicide more than men do but thats ignored
You don't get to attempt it again if you succeed.

>>8156982
>my life is infinitely easier and better
Examples please?
t. Repressing

>>8152984
this

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I just have a low tolerance for radical feminist bullshit.

>>8157002
keep repressing you fake piece of shit

>>8155587
>Society became everyone's caretaker and the need for good men has dropped, so that men need to be so much more to be considered good men, where before you got the title of being a good man just by working hard and taking care of your family

You COULD frame this as men being somewhat freed from society's burdens and expectations on men, I feel like this is why masculinity and what it means to be a man is in a crisis because the path is less defined now
Women don't need men as much, but do men NEED women either?

When I hear the word failed male I don't picture a fulfilled and self actualizing single man

I think of a man who struggles function in society, who struggles to find or create a place in the world for himself and more importantly GIVES UP TRYING, then blames his failure on being a man and looks to women in bitter or jealousy thinking life would be magically easier if he traded the burdens of being a man for the burdens of being a woman

I won't conflate all transwomen with being failed men because I believe dysphoria is genuine thing but there is an overlap between bitter, unfulfilled men and boys that resent women yet fantasize about the easy life they could have as a woman

>>8158790
Nice redpill there dickhead.

>>8159347
uhh?

>>8152798
When asked which gender was the least kind to them before transitioning, they'll generally say it was women, so yknow

>>8152809
This.

>>8159388
But why would this be universally true? I mean what did men ever do for us when we were eggs? Bully us for acting like fags?

>>8152798
t. trans lez feminist. Fuck the majority of dudes. However, I don't justify reverse sexisim.

I also still have weird hangups about my continually diminishing dick size. It will be a vagina soon though and I won't have to deal.

>>8158790
I think that's an interesting take. Yeah I think men have been freed from alot of burdens (not economically because although women no longer need men, families need men and women to work now as a single income doesnt take care of a family anymore.)

The thing is, men suffer from this change because their psychology has them needing a purpose for fullfillment, and often times that's tied very heavily with the need for female admiration. Women are like gatekeepers to a man's masculinity, which is his worth. So when a woman rejects a man for any of the myriad of growing modern reasons, he feels like he's being judged by nature itself and deemed unworthy. Most men are deeply dependant on this, and women don't really know or realize what the male experience is like and how much control they have over men because of their need to be validated as worthy in a woman's eyes.

That hasn't changed or caught up with men yet, so although they dont need women, they certainly feel like they do, and suffer because of being alone. The avenue for female admiration is narrower now, and I think that's why alot of men feel like they should give up, fall back on pornography, which changes their minds, and they end up developing AGP or something else and start transitioning. That's different from dysphoria I believe, so I definitely agree with you there.

>>8152798
I rarely come here anymore but I am highly critical of men and masculinity. I'm pretty much a giant manhater, and think the world would be a much better place if men stopped existing.

If we got rid of men, violent crime would instantly be reduced by 90%. Politics would swing leftward, wars would be much less common, and sexism would evaporate. Not my fault that nature made men into violent emotionless rape machines.

>>8163909
Transbian? Cisbian?

>>8163921
Young transitioning transbian.

On average though, cis lesbians tend to hate men more than trans lesbians.

>>8163932
>On average though, cis lesbians tend to hate men more than trans lesbians.
Why is that?

>>8153010
>implying female socialization isn't a meme

>>8163949
???

>>8163909
>>>/tumblr/

>>8163959
late transitioning mtf i presume?

>>8163957
There's no such thing as becoming female-socialized. It's doesn't actually exist

>>8163984
but that are the different things boys and girls are taught then? why do people seem socialized differently?

>>8163992
There aren't different things boys and girls are taught (unless you count the type of shitholes where boys and girls also have different legal rights, which I suppose means my statement isn't entirely correct), and they don't seem socialized differently?

>>8164025
>and they don't seem socialized differently?
but they do socialize differently?

>>8164039
In what ways? I haven't seen anything to that effect.

>>8159531
Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head to part of the problem, where the dynamic of heterosexual relationships was once imbalanced in favor of men, where women needed marriage for social validation and to access economic opportunity they couldn't get themselves, for a lot of guys it feels like things have probably tumbled in the opposite direction

in western society at least, there's lots of initiative to empower women to be independent, they're actively told that they don't need validation from men to live fulfilling lives and that's been reinforced by the actual success and growth in opportunities women have counters the traditional roles and gives women more examples for how to choose to life their lives

meanwhile that progressive empowering narrative doesn't really exist at the same level for men, so there isn't as strong a cultural push to counter ideas like this
>Women are like gatekeepers to a man's masculinity, which is his worth
and guys who could benefit from that same empowering and unburdening message sent to women are stuck going it alone

I'm a guy and I would say I lean towards agreeing with feminism in its purest form/ and I think men need something like that as well but more constructive than what MRA/MGTOW/redpill ideology has devolved into, just to promote a redefining and a self-defining of masculinity beyond sexual conquest and material status

>>8164046
ok so one thing someone said recently was that as an ftm they will get punched for saying something rude and as a girl they wouldn't. and there's lots of other differences trans people say.

>>8164049
>feminism in its purest form

>>8164057
That's interesting, I haven't seen/heard of anyone punched for saying anything in that sort of way.
I would have thought, being trans (mtf and a passing one for the last year), that I'd similarly be in a position to observe such differences if they existed but it seems not somehow

>>8164065
before getting into the unfortunate realities of how other people interpret and carry out modern day feminism and how it's become a dirty loaded term

what I interpret the purest goal of feminism to be is that women should have a choice in how to live their lives free from society's burdens and expectations, I think men need the same thing

>>8164049
dynamic of heterosexual relationships was once imbalanced in favor of men, it's that men were -needed- for stability. A man's worth is how high up on the dominance hierarchy he sits, which is what makes women respect him. Modern society has narrowly restricted the dominance hierarchy and makes it impossible for some men to advance up through it, but at the same time it's become even more exaggerated and superficial the parameters of what makes a "good" man. This doesn't really lead to female empowerment, because male enfeeblement doesn't grant that in any way. It just means that women now have to work, and I mean -have- to, because when women entered the workforce en mass, the value of labor was halved, which means that wages have stagnated and both husband and wife of a family -must- work now, where 3 decades earlier a family could survive on a single income. It's just a recipe for increased depression across both genders and the only ones who benefit are the state (double taxable incomes from women) and companies who want cheap labor at the populous' expense.

Feminists will try to tell you this is a good thing based off one assumption, and that is that domesticated life and child-rearing are akin to slavery, which is really an intellectually bunk viewpoint that weighs those things (which most women find fullfilling and maternal) against a life as a worker, and tries to tell women that their worth can only be achieved through becoming a worker. It mostly does this by selling lies in college that work is more than trading hours of your life doing something that others don't want to do, and roleplays that it's a deeply meaningful. For a minority of people work may be fullfilling, but for 99% of us it's work, a job, not our passion. At its core, it's the state trying to marry itself to all women.

>>8164741
>A man's worth is how high up on the dominance hierarchy he sits

why? says who? how has buying into that narrative ever benefit men and women that were low in the hierarchy and why should they continue to support an ideology that values them so little?

I want men and women to have to the choice determine their own worth and not have it dictated by outside influences and expectations that really have no stake in you as a person

you have the choice to live within your means and on a single income or push for two incomes to afford whatever else you think is important
women have the choice to stay at home, go to work, or some combination of both

in my opinion men are "enfeebled" because the superficial parameters of being a man:
>A man's worth is how high up on the dominance hierarchy he sits
again, WHY should men defined as worthless by society not make a conscious choice to shed values that do NOTHING for them and create their own meaningful parameters that define their worth?

why does everyone except the man define what a "good man" is?
why does everyone except the woman define what a "good woman" is?
what good is being someone else's "good" if it's not good for me?

>>8165205
So much for AGPs being top-tier, eh?

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>>8152989
Traditionalists already get enough shit. It's the feminists who believe they are the infallible apex of morality. And worse, they tell themselves and the world that they represent the interests of transsexuals and have been successfully making political decisions over our heads.

>>8165403
>comparing terf ideology with contemporary intersectional feminism

Nice meme friend.

>>8165275
>so I'm not exactly bashing her otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. It wasn't meant to be a value judgement,
But you don't hate girls. You just don't want a harem of them. She hates men. That's not just taste like your harem.

>>8165403
literally raping women

>>8165489
>I doubt she "hates" men in any other way considering she's a transbian and has more of male mindset anyways.
AGP transbians can be extreme feminist misandrists.

>>8165510
By that logic an AAP can't be an MRA.

>>8165563
>I'm just the straight female equivalent (or so I've been told)
Why can't females be MRAs?

>>8165510
AGPs don't actually hyper-sexualize women, they hyper-sexualize the idea of being a women: The only feelings they can have for real women are envy, and perhaps admiration.

>>8165583
They can be friends with girls in a sisterly way.

>>8165601
Then why are transitioning AGPs MRA-like and why are non-transitioning AAPs MRA-like?

>>8165601
As an AGP, feminism actually benefits me more than MRAism would.

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>tfw comfy evola trad
>tfw all about spirituality over stem faggotry jewish bs
>tfw real girl because I'm 100% spiritually female
>tfw non-op because unlike hrt srs is unnatural and doesnt confirm gender or sex
>tfw dating 100% spiritually male bf and experiencing the truest form of the heterosexual dichotomy
>tfw degenerates gays and wayward trannies will never know this level of comfort
feels good

>>8165872
Because I'm not a "beta nice guy", beta nice guys are the kind of guys I can't stand. You just don't get it, I've been transitioning so long now, from such an early age, that I've been completely "indoctrinated" by the ideology. And realistically, MRAism doesn't even benefit the beta nice guys you talk about, nor does it benefit trans women like me, or really anyone at all. It's just a symptom of the pseudo-conservative anti-feminist blowback that's been happening for a while now.

In terms of "scoring pussy", I know that I'm unfit for relationships with women because of my deep self-hatred and envy, so I'm focusing more on self-improvement before I go back to dating.

>>8165965
So wait, are you saying that alphas who transition are HSTS? I'm not even sure that it's possible to have an "alpha" mentality when you hate yourself and your body so much.

And what type of girls do you think become AAPs?

>>8165973
why are you even replying to that retard

>>8165989
>Nerdy, awkward, beta, creepy girls like me.
but i'm agp and that's the kind of girl i'd be