I am a gay guy(bottom) who supports Fascism. When can we

>>8133866
bottoms look better when they keep their mouth shut

>>8133866
im an mtf who supports ancap

not soon enough

If we didn't have to keep a good image, I'd have firebombed the fuckers in Berkeley

>>8133866
Is it surprising that a bottom wants to live in a system where they'd get fucked?

>>8133866
>Wanting to kill your fellow fascists
wtf OP?

>>8133931
A G P
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>>8136967
>bottoms would die under fascism since the last facists ruler killed gays

Thats not how it works honey

>>8136974
yeah, how fascism works is every gay bottom is assigned a cute straight-acting masc aryan boyfriend and everyone lives happily ever after :)

>>8136976
Well thats the plan yes.

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>>8133866
>Im a sad pathetic failure so i try to feel better by telling myself im not a failure
Ok

>>8133866
bottoms should be good boys and only talk when daddy wants them to.

>>8133931
>I'm a failed man who supports a mentally ill ideology

Really gets my neurons firing.

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>Assuming this isn't just a sad troll like it probably is

What's the Gay version of an Uncle Tom/House Nigger?

Fascism and Communism are both failed ideologies which belong in the trash can of history. Read a history book and see what happened when they came into power. Nothing but death and misery.

The internet makes edgy look cool but its not.

>>8139099

Don't be stupid, gay people can have any political opinion they want. There's no such thing as some "gay community" or "gay alliance" they are betraying. Nobody owes anything to this stupid "lgbt" banner.

t.- Bisexual theocratic monarchist.

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>>8133866
Why would you want to stop the revolution, comrade? The wealthy international cabal of misers sees you only for the potential to exploit you. Do not be their useful idiot.

>>8139120
>t. Bisexual
no surprises there

>>8139099
>What's the Gay version of an Uncle Tom/House Nigger?
Dhimmi.

>>8139148
>The wealthy international cabal of misers

>implying I don't support them

>>8139189
that's great that you love death war disease starvation and are borderline suicidal but please don't drag the rest of the world down with you

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>>8139205
We are going to kill 90% of the population and then merge are minds with machines.

How does it feel to be on the losing side of history?

>>8139120
You're right, anyone can hold whatever views and opinion they want.

Don't act surprise when somebody points out that if the world you want to exist was a thing, you'd be literally murdered by those you want in a position of power.

>>8139221
Who the fuck is "we"? You're so insignificant to the power holders that they don't even know you exist.

You're literally less than a peasant to them, you're not on their side, your stuck with the rest of us have-not's, rooting for the side that wants to take and take and take from all of us until there's nothing left.

You can be their cheerleader, their willing chattel, you can look their soldiers and enforcers in the face and smile and thank them for their service...you're still gonna suffer the same fate as the rest of us...

>>8139222
>lefties still think conservatives want gays to die

Conservative youth are not as homophobic as your gender study professor would tell you.

We really only hate trannies

>>8139254
I'm not in their system but I still empathize with them since I would be doing the same.

>>8139222

The theocratic monarchy I want already exists in the world (Vatican City) and I went there and was not murdered nor threatened with murder, I was treated with respect and kindness. Yet others will say "theocracy wants to kill you". Not really.

Can't speak for fascism but I am absolutely sure you could make an lgbt-friendly form of it. Is fascism still stupid? Yes, in my opinion. But lets not pretend all lgbt are some big happy family where we all agree on everything and we all owe each other our support.

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>>8139189
Bootlicker.

>>8139222
>Don't act surprise when somebody points out that if the world you want to exist was a thing, you'd be literally murdered by those you want in a position of power.

Thats wrong though you retard.

Conservative youth are no where near as homophobic as their parents are.

It's 2017 mate

>>8139261
so sad
you're a terrible and miserable person

>>8139255
I'm not in University/College, I'm not even "Left". I'm just trying to understand.

Question though, where does Conservatism end and Fascism begin? Because I'm literally trying to find the line and seeing it nowhere.

And why are you OK with hating Trans people?

>>8139271
>Conservative youth
OP is Fascist, not Conservative

>>8139269
I'd rather be a bootlicker than starve to death

Commies literally need to be thrown from helicopters

>>8139278
>And why are you OK with hating Trans people?

I don't hate them, I just hate the entitled ones that call me transphobic for misgendering them or refusing to use non-binary pronouns.

If they make a half-decent attempt to pass I will respect their pronouns.

>>8139268
That's literally the entire point of the fucking acronym. Comradery and support in a world the is still largely against your very existence.

It's not a hive mind, it's something that exists out of necessity. Because united people stand, but divided they can only fall.

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>>8139280
1945 was so long ago and bootlicking fascist pigs like you are still buttmad. I love it.

>>8139271
Do you think Conservatism and Fascism are the same?

>>8139290
So, you despise the notion of freedom. The idea that someone can exist as and how they want, as long as they don't hurt others.

>>8139296
The world is only against trannies at this point.

Gays are pretty much accepted in the west

>>8139312
I never said that

>>8139322
>Gays are pretty much accepted in the west
It varies a great deal.

>>8139274
I'm a sad person for respecting survival of the fittest?

>>8139296

Christians though have supported me far far more than the lgbt acronym has. I joined an lgbt group and it was mostly awkward because all we had in common was....well, attraction to the same gender (and if we had any trans people there, we wouldn't have had even that). Forcing people to agree with one another based on such flimsy connections is oppressive. You don't own me or the OP.

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>>8139300
It makes sense, Fascism isn't an ideology of peace or even stability. Fascism literally only ever works, theoretically, in reality; when a Forever War is established.

Fascism doesn't work with a constant growing Military Industrial Complex and a Rolodex of enemies to fight against.

So their constant anger makes sense, because that's literally the only way Fascism works...ever.

>>8139322
Would you like assault and murder statistics for gay men across the western world? Because their still pretty fucking high.

Or do you want to explain the literal fucking concentration camp of gay men in Russia?

>>8139269
>>8139300
You want to lick the boots of a communist 'vanguard' (aristocracy), so you're not really better than him.

>>8139336
>survival of the fittest

Fucking how? It's a class of people who were all born with all the resources, capital, etc in the world at their disposal. They've worked for nothing.

>>8139356
russia isn't the west retard

chechnya even less so

>>8139359
I'm not a Communist, not even close.

That being said, you're being a little disingenuous and I don't htink you're doing it on purpose.

There's nothing the communist doctrine (speaking of the Communist manifesto) that actually lends itself to the horrible, atrocious authoritarian rule of figures like Stalin, Pol Pot and others.

There's no excuse for the evils committed by people like them, but it has to noted that Stalin actively (much like Hitler did with all of the actual Socialists in his Party in the Night of Long Knives), literally had all the actual, non-authoritarians (not just Communists, Socialists with a Libertarian bent, Anarchists, etc) fucking murdered. Because if he hadn't there would've been a second revolution to oust him.

>>8139356
>he thinks Russia is a part of the west

>>8139368
The progenitors of the wealth worked for it, and in doing so allowed his progeny to reap his rewards

>>8139407
I typically didn't. Until I saw New Conservative/Alt-Right types holding Russia up as some sort of shining example of what the west should be like.

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>>8139359
To be honest, Stalin and Trotsky both were too ideological in my opinion, though despite his failings and brutality I still admire Stalin for many reasons, including his intelligence and his courage during the Battle of Moscow

Lenin however was a genius, a pragmatist and also an experimentalist, a bizarre combination that worked wonderfully in Russia. Also he was the first "modern world" leader to decriminalize homosex.

>>8139322
>Gays are pretty much accepted in the west
This is true in liberal areas only, specifically because they're not conservative. Hence why I'm hesitant to support any sort of conservative people because I know exactly what happens when they're in charge

>>8139425
Any recommended reading material on Lenin (that is more fact than propaganda, preferably)?

>>8139426
What kind of legislation did either of the bushes make that was anti gay?

Have you ever seen Trump say he is anti gay? (And having pence as his VP does not make him anti gay)

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>>8139440
It sounds dumb because of how ideological wkipedia is, but Lenin's wikipedia page is well verified and a good straightforward account of a fascinating life. Stalin's early life is also amazing. Before they took power he was a fugitive, robbing banks and breaking out of Siberian prison camps (irony)

>>8139441
>What kind of legislation did either of the bushes make that was anti gay?
Even though this is irrelevant to what I said, sure:

>Bush opposed same-sex marriage.
>During his 2004 reelection campaign, he called for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage in the United States

I never said anything about Trump and don't really think he's that conservative.
Most conservatives oppose gays and most conservative areas are absolute shit to grow up/live in if you're lgbt. Conservatives favor traditionalism and think gays are trying to 'ruin the traditional family unit' and 'trying to convert children' and whatever other nonsense.

>>8139426
Is that the only reason? Do you at all fall into the realm of "Conservative" politically?

>>8139465
I don't plan on getting married so I could care less about that.

I'd rather live in a conservative society where people judge me than in a liberal society where I am forced to call people zhe/xir

>>8139490
That's wonderful, still has nothing to do with what I said. I would much rather call someone zhe/xir than live in a conservative society because I actually had to grow up in a conservative shithole and it wrecked my mental health. You don't know how bad it is so please don't comment.

>>8139099
A ``Milo"

>>8139120
There are some political opinions that it's objectively stupid for a gay person to have though.

>>8139420
>and in doing so allowed his progeny to reap his rewards
That actually discourages hard work to an extent though. Inheritance reduces motivation for both the rich and the poor, the rich realize they can live a decent life without ever working, and the poor realize they will be at a disadvantage no matter how hard they work.

>>8139502
>There are some political opinions that it's objectively stupid for a gay person to have though.

No, there are stupid political opinions, period. There's no "stupid for a gay person". Gay people are not a fucking hivemind nor does our gayness need to define us. You are just trading in one bigotry for another.

>>8139501
Not everyone is as weak willed as you are

>>8139490
I'm gonna assume you've never been to....any liberal place ever, because nobody does that. Not in Canada, not in New York, not in California...so what "liberal society" are you referring to?

>>8139502
>That actually discourages hard work to an extent though. Inheritance reduces motivation for both the rich and the poor,

I agree with that however you cant ban inheritance. Its their money. They can do whatever they like with it.

>>8139520
Please don't comment on things you know nothing about.

>>8139521
In Canada its against the law to misgender someone

>>8139515
I mean stupid for a person to have, rejecting the notion that there is some sort of objective "correct" universal political view. It would make perfect sense for a homophobe to think gays should be jailed, but it wouldn't make sense for a gay person to have that opinion.

>>8139502
>That actually discourages hard work to an extent though. Inheritance reduces motivation for both the rich and the poor, the rich realize they can live a decent life without ever working, and the poor realize they will be at a disadvantage no matter how hard they work.

No, the rich realize if they want their kids to grow up comfortably they need to work hard. Most people don't work for themselves. They work for their loved ones, to give their loved ones a better life. If you take the ability to give your loved ones a better life away, nobody will give a single shit.

>>8139532
You're literally complaining about something that doesn't fucking happen...doesn't get much weaker than getting mad at your own psychosis, and not recognizing that it's not reality.

>>8139532
I grew up in a conservative family. All my friends are conservative. I am out to all of them. None of them gives a shit.

It's only the flamboyant faggots and the trannies we don't like.

>>8139541
You can be a conservative and not think gays should be jailed.

>>8139537
Wrong.

>>8139544
>pot kettle black
tell me where people are being forced to call people 'zhe' or 'xir' in any modern day society and i'll show you 10000 examples of lgbt people being murdered/electroshocked/abandoned/kicked out of their families/homeless/fired/disenfranchised/etc etc etc

>>8139537
No, it's illegal to be a piece of shit to someone and actively call them something they're not.

Nobody's throwing anyone in a fucking gulag for someone accidentally calling someone else the wrong thing.

It's literally just an extension of pre-existing harassment laws to include people that have largely been actively excluded for much of human history.

>>8139555
I didn't say that. I didn't say that it's stupid for a gay to be conservative. WHat I did say is that it's stupid for a gay to think gays should be jailed.

>>8139546
That's great that you are lucky and happened to find a minority of conservatives that don't care. It's not like that for most people.

>>8139568
>calling a trans women a man is calling them something there not

I think you should take a biology class

>>8139587
>implying pronouns are biological reality

>>8139578
Most conservative youth are not that homophobic anymore

>>8139600
Because they're less conservative than the previous generation.

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>>8139587
>Look at those goalposts go!

Society has agreed on freedom, not biology. Biology isn't the fucking law.

>>8139600
Why settle for any homophobia, at all?

>>8139606
>not being called a girl because you identify as a girl is an infringement on "muh freedoms"

>>8139618
People are allowed to be homophobic if they want to.

Its not ok to act on it, but you can have the opinion that gays are bad

Freedom works both ways

>>8139620
It's derived from anti-harassment laws, not "muh freedoms".

>>8139620
So you're against ALL harassment and discrimination laws then, right?

Because (for example), I'm Black. if someone was to call me a nigger I could literally take them to court and probably win off the very fact that harassment and discrimination laws exist, at all.

It's that less-bad in your opinion?

>>8139624
That's not at all what I'm asking.

Why settle for the side of the political spectrum where homophobia is still a thing...at all.

What's the point of freedom if you don't progress it past where it has been and where it is currently?

>>8139639
nigger

>>8139639
Keep in mind that most harassment laws are not based off of 'omg a random dude called me a nigger one time im going to sue him', they're for cases where people repeatedly go out of their way to do this to the same person over and over.

>>8139653
Its the lesser of two evils.

I dont like the homophobia in conservatives but I don't trust liberals in positions of power

>>8139667
And you trust conservatives there instead because...?
Most liberal and conservative politicians are corrupt as fuck and all in the same boat together.

>>8139425
>worked wonderfully in Russia

If you just handwave all the atrocities, yeah.

>>8139667
What makes Conservatives better? They're mostly the same as Liberals but way worse in a lot of areas.

>>8139678
>Not a Communist, just defending their point.

I don't think they're trying to wash away all the blood those people spilled. I think they're trying to focus on the positive aspect and try and apply those positives to now.

That's basically what everyone who believes in anything has to do, at this point...

>>8139674
>>8139683

Conservatives may judge me for my degeneracy but given the popular opinion is that gay is ok, its highly unlikely for my right to be gay to go away. You don't really believe that any western conservative government would make homosexuality illegal again do you?

Futhermore liberals want to drive millions of hardcore anti gay muslins into western countries. They want to force me to call men who identify as girls as a girl.


Also there is more to policy and government than LGBT issues. I trust conservatives to make more rational decisions regarding fiscal and foreign policy than I do liberals.

>>8139712
You realize the Great Depression and the Great Recession (fucking 08) were both caused almost solely by Conservatives..right?

>>8139741
The 08 recession was caused by poor people defaulting on credit after taking out a home mortgage they couldn't afford

>>8139712
And much more importantly, have you ever actually interacted with any Muslims in the Western world (specifically the US, I'm assuming that's where you are), any refugees, anything?

Because if you live here in the US, you literally have nothing to complain about when it comes to fucking Muslims, refugees or otherwise.

Mainly because most in the US were fucking rich, or somewhat wealthy and established before they came here, not fucking cavemen.

>>8139761
>apologizing for rich people fucking everyone over this fucking much

>>8139741

Different anon but not all conservatives are economically conservative. I consider myself to be socially conservative and will call myself conservative because of that. But economically I am mostly centrist I guess, hate unchecked Capitalism and the horrors of Communism both.

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>not being ancom
>not wanting to communalize your boipussi
>not helping the proletariat get over the depression of capitalism and into the happiness of communism one cock at a time (or two if you want to be more efficient)

Never going to make it.

>>8139775
I had a muslim landlord that evicted me for bring guys to my apartment

>>8139761
I mean fuck, just check the numbers. Muslim and other foreign terrorists haven't done much of anything since 2001.

Look at the number of fucking cops who kill people, or even non-Muslim domestic terrorists.

I fucking hate Islam but despise this bullshit fear-mongering even more. Scared shitless of a group of people that are less like to do you harm in the western world than a fucking lightning storm. Get a fucking grip.

>>8139796

....Orlando was just this past year. I don't agree with Islamaphobia but its the largest mass shooting in US history and even targeted gay people.

>>8139782
So, you want things to stay the same economically, but want social progress to halt and/or reverse?

Why?

>>8139796
>look at the number of fucking cops who kill people,


You mean niggers who points guns at cops and then have their moms call them good boys?

>>8139785
To be fair, no ancoms are ever going to make it anywhere, at all, ever.

It's truly a fail-ideology for people who've failed and either realize it and deny it, or haven't realized it yet.

>>8139789
That's fucked up. I hope you took the issue to court. There's literally no way you could've lost if the only reason you were evicted was because they don't agree with your existence.

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>>8139823
So, what you're telling me is that we need a proletariat dictatorship where boipussi is forcefully communalized by gunpoint.

It's kinky so we'll go with it.

>>8139811

No, I want us to move slightly to the left economically (if possible). So stuff like a good healthcare system, good support for the elderly and the poor etc. would be ideal.

I don't see most social "progress" to represent me. I'm waiting til marriage to have sex, I like wearing skirts/dresses, I want to be a housewife (and in fact I am currently a house fiance), etc. I definitely don't believe in abortion (and in fact it might be my #1 hot button topic). I am happiest living a conservative lifestyle and identify myself as such. Maybe some people get happiness out of sleeping around. But not for me. Sorry. And I hate that they call it "progress" in the first place, to be honest.

>>8139809
Largest mass shooting, yes. largest (in terms of killed and injured).

OKC bombing, Timothy McVeigh.

That doesn't make Orlando any less tragic, I'm just trying to help keep things in perspective.

>>8139836
I was planning on moving out anyway and I didn't want to spend time and money dealing with it.

Also I respect the fact that its his property and I think he should have the right to choose who is and who isn't allowed in his building.

This may make me an "uncle tom" but I could care less

>>8139844
NO!

We need something like Rojava or Revolutionary Catolina. Libertarian and Socialist.

And state-distributed boipussi on a monthly basis.

>>8139851

OKC bombing was even before 2001, which you just dismissed as irrelevant (9/11 was also by far more deadly in terms of killed/injured than OKC). OKC was 20+ years ago. Orlando was less than a year ago. One is more of an open wound.

Like I don't believe in Islamaphobia either. I think its wrong and harmful all around, most Muslims are not terrorists. But it seems like you are applying a double standard here, pretending that "nothing has happened since 2001" to make a point about Muslims (ignoring Orlando) and then going back to 1995 to talk about a major terrorist attack from a non-Muslim

>>8139881
You're right, sorry. I stepped outside of the time frame that I established as relevant. My bad and thanks for calling me out on that.

Do you have any opinions on what can be done to about self-radicalization done by Native-born Muslims?

This is something that I've been trying to figure out for a while honestly. And I've not come up with much, so I value others opinions on this topic.

>>8139812
You do realize there are cases of people being killed by cops AFTER the cops have the situation under control and the suspect presents literally no threat to them?

>>8140445

Like the guy who was reaching for a gun in his pocket?

>>8140445
They don't care, at all. They have their narrative and that's the truth. Anything that doesn't support said narrative is false.

Facts are wasted on people like this.

>>8140485
yeah, because reaching for a gun in your pocket definitely means the suspect is under control and there's no threat present. A+ reading comprehension would reply to again

>>8140518
I was referring to that fat black guy who was being detained and reaching for his gun and liberals said he was under control

>>8140445
Some cops are trigger happy.

Doesn't negate the facts that statistically speaking cops need to be on higher alert around blacks than around whites