AGP, AAP, AFP, trap and reverse trap, and androgyny friendship

>>8078377
Traps and reverse-traps aren't A*P, they're HSTS.

>>8078377
>AAP
What is this?
>reverse trap
What is this?
>AP
What is this?

>>8078390
>HSTS
What is this?

>>8078377
>computational success.jpg
I get it, because we're into computing!

>>8078390
Okay, my mistake.

>>8078393
AAP = autoandrophile (born female, attracted to males and wants to look/be male)

reverse trap = female tomboy to the point of looking male, purposely looking male

AP (or A*P) = autophilic, auto___philic (gets off to themself being a certain way, either literally faps to themself/the idea or just likes it)

>>8078409
So like, is this thread also for HSTSs, or is it an A*P-only thread?

(I guess it doesn't matter, though, since HSTSs will probably stay far away from anything "androgyny".)

>>8078431
Anyone of any gender or sexuality can post here as long as they are pro-A*P

Is HSTS homosexual transsexual, or heterosexual transsexual?

>>8078475
HSTS is short for HomoSexual TransSexual, but it refers to (usually) heterosexual transsexuals. Kinda confusing, I know.

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>>8078482
I am genuinely fucking confused.

So when referring to the sexual orientation of a transsexual person, we are talking about their sexuality as it corresponds to their gender identity and not their natal sex, correct?

>>8078491
The people who named HSTS "Homosexual Transsexual" defined it relative to assigned sex, whereas most HSTS would define it relative to their gender identity and therefore consider themselves straight.

>>8078507
Yes, except in the case of the term HSTS.

>>8078519
Also it's etiologically connected to homosexuality. It's not simply a case of misgendering.

>>8078534
>Also it's etiologically connected to homosexuality. It's not simply a case of misgendering.
Good point. Really it's just homosexuality that has been misnamed, though.

>>8078551
Well, HSTS is a transsexuality separate from the homosexuality that caused it.

>>8078507
In real life: always refer to their gender identity. An FTM who likes men is gay. an MTF who likes men is straight.

On AGP HSTS meme threads: it's a meme so say whatever you want

>>8078587
thank you friend.

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>>8078784
if you're serious, gender non conforming in the middle is redundant, and many (even most) 'nonbinary' people can have no dysphoria or crippling dysphoria. also horsegirls aren't usually very feminine

if not, i'd toss in blaire and riley and some other /tttt/ meme pseudocelebrities to add to the crosspost value

>>8078816
Alright, thank you

accidentally left horse girls on there, i was using it to test the text box lol

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WHY DO WE HAVE TO SEPARATE OURSELVES INTO GROUPS WHY AM I AAP WHEN I DON'T EVEN HAVE A SEX DRIVE

>>8078784
Holy shit I like the direction this is going in!

Do AAPs and AGPs really belong in the exact same area? /agpg/ was just talking about how AGPs are kind of similar to tomboy cis girls, which is reflected by the masculine end of the A*P stick of rock being parallel with tomboys/butches, but do AAPs fit in that level of masculinity without also being more dysphoric and belonging lower down, nearer masc trans men? And the same may apply for AGPs and feminine transwomen at the feminine end.

Also, why are A*Ps, femboy FTMs and butch MTFs squarely in the autism line while feminine transwomen, femboys and masc trans men are all on the border?

And are femboys really so un-dysphoric? They're level with cis girl tomboys!

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Okay hows this

what is wrong with you people

>>8078885
we're to intelligent for sex or gender

>>8078874
I think there needs to be more specific names for the different kinds of femboys and tomboys and for levels of autism for people to be accurately placed, unless we want to just put "femboy" and others in multiple locations to account for levels of autism and dysphoria

>>8078904
i propose TruTom and AutoTomboyPhillic. we were already graciously gifted with the femboy classifications earlier today by AFP-chan.

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here it is without the autism/cheese area (place yourself on it and write what you are, remember to use the color key for what you were AAB)

>>8078784
>>8078882
What if the Y axis changes from low/high dysphoria to being which sex they are dysphoric to be?

So if female is at the top, feminine trans women and cis women are top left, tomboys and more masculine presentation AGPs are hight right, femboys are high middle, and so on.

>>8078913
okay so on the A*P spectrum we offically have:

AGP, AAP, AFP, and ATP

What's the opposite of A*P?

Tru*? Dysphilic?

>>8078977
Cis? Asexual?

Proposed /tttt/ Identity Framework

>Presentation
Masculine-Presenting, Feminine-Presenting, Femboy-Presenting, Tomboy-Presenting, Nonbinary-Presenting; MP, FP, FBP, TBP, NBP.
>Autophilia
Autophilic, Non-Autophilic; aka A*P and Tru*.
>Dysphoria
Dysphoric, Non-Dysphoric; aka Trans and Cis
Auto-Gyno-Philic/AGP, Auto-Andro-Philic/AAP, Auto-Femboy-Philic/AFP, Auto-Tomboy-Philic/ATP
>Sex assigned at birth
Assigned Female At Birth, Assigned Male at Birth; AFAB, AMAB.
Letter "I" may be included on the end to indicate intersex people regardless of which sex they were assigned.
>Orientation
Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Pan, Ace, """Straight"""
>Gender
Man (M), Woman (W), Femboy (FB), Tomboy (TB), Nonbinary (NB)

Some of these can be shortened for convenience. For example,

Fem-presenting tru-trans AMAB """straight""" (straight here in reference to their gender) Woman can be replaced with the term "HSTS"

Sample Identities:

femboy-presenting autogynophilic non-dysphoric AMAB """"straight"""" man (moot)
masc-presenting tru cis AMAB """"straight""" man (former president Barack Obama)
masc-presencing non-autophilic non-dysphoric AFAB lesbian woman (Ellen Degeneres)

>>8079224
A*P are orientations though.

>>8079262
Can there be bi A*Ps?

>>8079272
A*Ps can be sexually attracted to both sexes, if that's what you're asking.

>>8079224
now someone just needs to make a 6-dimentional floating hologram graphic to represent all this

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>>8079282
I'm on it

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>>8079224
am I doing this right?

tbp, tru*. Dysphoric, Amab, Bi, woman?

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>>8079533
seems legit

t. fbp aap dys afab bi nb

>>8079224
MP/TRU/CIS/AMAB/GAY/M 4 MP/TRU/CIS/AMAB/GAY/M

>tfw people say /tttt doesn't have memes.

>>8079224
mp trutrans afab '''''''''''''''''''''''''''straight''''''''''''''''''''''''''' man
you need to add andromimetophilic and gynemimetophilic for people like cara who are only attracted to trannies

>>8078784
Femboys have fairly high dysphoria

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>>8079577
kek blanchard anon look what you've created

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>>8079224
nbp agp nd amab ace nb reporting in. (Non-binary presenting autogynephilic nondysphoric assigned-male-at-birth asexual nonbinary)
I feel this is lacking indication of my transitioning and biromanticism, but overall describes me better than any other gender/sexuality label.

>>8079593
also
>t. fbp a*p dysphoric amab bi fb

>>8079595
I guess nd should actually be cis, making me nbp agp cis amab ace nb (even though I don't know if most people would call me cis, what with the hormones and boobs and whatnot)

> /lgbt/ accidentally invents tumblr about mes
look what you've wrought, you fucks

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>>8079620
>implying this isn't the greatest thing to ever happen to /tttt

>>8079599
What kind of A*p anon? Do you get off on imagining yourself as male or female or femboy?

>>8079593
it wasn't what /tttt/ needed, but it was what they goddamn deserved

>>8079595
>I feel this is lacking indication of my transitioning and biromanticism

I'm glad you brought this up. I had considered separating romantic and sexual orientation, perhaps later we can make some ajustments

Another thing I was considering was passing percentage which is the % of time that you pass as your gender identity (NBs would typically have a 0% PP, for example)

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>>8079628
Oh shoot you are right, I should of been more specific, also I guess technically I'm mtf which would mean my gender is "female" but it feels incorrect / incongruent with my philosophy to identify as a "female" in most contexts if I don't present / pass as one in a social context. So it would actually be

fbp agp dysphoric amab bi "f"

>>8079625
Why is the yellow circle still there? Also the labels should reflect the three dimensionality of it. If someone's dysphoria increases incrementally, your labels bump their number by an interval.
Instead use another character. ABCDE can be a dysphoria scale with numbers 1-9 being presentation and x/y for assigned gender, making caitlyn jenner something like E2Y.

>>8079224
as a mp tru* dys afab man whos attracted to femboys and nonbinaries i feel like this list is oppressing me and isnt inclusive enough to the diverse sexualities us beautiful unique people can have. no attraction to trans people or nonbinaries? what kind of fucking transphobe are you

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>>8079664
top fucking kek
>>8079224
Also blanchard anon is right quit erasing / invalidating others GI / sexualities with your oppressive """list"""

>>8079224
This is way too simple. This cissies will have this figured out in a matter of hours. We need to step it up further.

>>8079675
oops
>t. fbp agp dysphoric amab bi "f"

>>8079658
thanks for the advice, I will work on it.

Anyone can also post their own version (I would like to see other versions)

>>8078851
Accept it. This is your life now.

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>>8079551

t. fbp tru* dys afab bi nb

>>8079684
i got this guys! we dont have to make up a bunch of things, we can just learn from the best who have been doing this for years now
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Wiki

>>8079632
>>8079593
But at least you helped a bunch of people so that counts for something, right?

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>>8079788
Leave me out of this, I'm just a fbp agp dysphoric amab bi "f" that spends too much time on this board.

AARP checking in.

>>8079783
Sorry but tumblr's genders are a separate affair entirely. I make no claim regarding their validity/invalidity but they do not operate on the basic /tttt/ framework and are incopatible with /tttt/ gender identities unless you use a gender adapter (at your own risk)

>>8079812
dont worry, i have a genderfluid tehnician ready to swap between high tumblr frequency and low tumblr frequency currents at any point

Im AAAAAGPPPPP auto-auto-auto-auto-autogynephilic-philic-philic-philic-philic

>>8079783
shit good point at this rythm we're gonna become tumblr in a couplemonths :o

>>8079833
these are a whopping 5 separate identity labels, not an entire latin dictionary. if you're not listing your personality-typical small animal kintype next to your a*p, there may be hope yet

>>8078377
How to cure AAP? I get aroused every time I see myself.

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>>8079857
> if you're not listing your personality-typical small animal kintype next to your a*p, there may be hope yet

Why stop at 5 though?

>>8079863
>aap
>not part of blanchardian typology
>lie invented by hons and uglies who think it's abnormal to find yourself sexy

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Wooo

>>8079863
bro that's the point. You're living the dream.

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>>8078784

>girls who like horses
Oh man, thats hilarious

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>>8079905
hnnng
>>8079915
also hnnnng

>>8079904
someone's never met a gay trans man
(blanchard hasn't either, hence him not recognizing aap)

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have some mp aap afab m

>>8079939
im saying "getting aroused when I see myself" isnt uncommon for cis gay men and women (who are worth looking at)

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>>8079224
>MP AAP AFAB G M

>>8079964
Some even get off to exaggerated versions of themselves, like when straight men want women to tell them how strong they are or how enormous their cock is.

>>8078409
My fetish is reverse reverse traps

Mtf tomboys

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>>8078377

What's with all the terminology? Can't we just all agree trans are hardcore drag queens?

>>8083306
Excuse me but I'm afp and definitely not trans. For example, I don't cry when I look in the mirror.

>>8083306
It's HSTSes who are drag queens you idiot!

ITT:
LIES